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[pct-l] 45 degree bag/ REI Wicked Fastbag



I have the Wicked Fastbag. 45 degree weighs 15 oz, $170 -REI 20% sale =~$150
It worked great on the Hiker town to the Walker Pass trip this year. 
Not having insoluation below you, did not seem to be a problem at all. 
The insolite pad seemed to work just fine. Plan on using it a lot on the PCT 2005.
 
-Mountain Goat-
Junior PCT hiker, next year I hope to graduated.
Class of 2005.

"Griffith, Paul C" <Paul.C.Griffith@bankofamerica.com> wrote:
I did Washington in late August/early Sept. of 2001 with a "40 degree" quilt (homemade Jardine quilt equal to old Golite "Fuzz"). That and a 5 ounce vest got me through OK - a few shivers here and there. Check out the Sierra Designs "Wicked Fastbag" - 30degree version weighs 21 oz, costs $210, REI #707138. 45degree weighs 15 oz, $170, REI #707129. They are quilts zipped to a bottom sheet - lose the bottom sheet and save another 4 oz, esp. if you have a light bivy bag like the 6.5oz $60 Equinox at www.backcountrygear.com. And you can wear the quilt like a shawl in camp or at rest stops, and leave your insulated jacket/vest home. If I'd seen this stuff last year, I'd have saved a week of sewing my own down quilt and ultra-light bivy for the Sierras.

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Today's Topics:

1. 45 degree bag?? North Cal and Oregon? (Monty Tam)
2. Re: Scout Merit Badge Hikes (Karl Duff)
3. Re: Bear Boxes Giant Forest (Joanne Lennox)
4. Jerky receipes (Norma)
5. San Jac fire (Irwin Reeves)
6. Starting Belden -- Cascade Locks next week (Christopher Mills)
7. Re: Sonora Pass (backpack45scb)
8. Re: PCT advice (matt maxon)
9. Re: Bear Boxes Giant Forest (Ilja Friedel)
10. RE: Bear boxes on PCT in Southern Sierras (Mike Saenz)
11. Re: Re: PCT advice (Steve Courtway)
12. Re: Mike's bear experiment (Steve Courtway)
13. Water Caches (Paul Magnanti)
14. Dogs and Food for Thought (CharlieJones@aol.com)
15. RE: Mike's bear experiment (Mike Saenz)
16. Re: Mike's bear experiment (Steve Courtway)
17. Re: Bear Boxes Giant Forest (Joanne Lennox)
18. RE: Mike's bear experiment (Mike Saenz)
19. Re "ultralight water cache dependant route" (Marge Prothman)
20. Re: San Jac fire (Eric Yakel)
21. Re: "ultralight water cache dependant route" (Bob Bankhead)
22. Re: San Jac fire (Don Line)
23. Re: Verbenia Fire -- Snow Creek x Hwy 111, San Jacinto Area
(Craig Milo Rogers)
24. Re: Lake Hughes Fire ("Pine Incident") (Craig Milo Rogers)
25. Pine Fire PCT Closure (Lake Hughes, CA) (Craig Milo Rogers)
26. Re: Verbenia Fire (San Jct Fire) (Craig Milo Rogers)
27. Re: Verbenia Fire (San Jct Fire) (Craig Milo Rogers)
28. RE: Re "ultralight water cache dependant route" (Joe Percival)
29. Re: California Section P condition report (Carl Siechert)
30. Good Journal Entry (Dan and Nina)
31. (no subject) (yuppatt@att.net)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:09:31 -0700
From: "Monty Tam" 
Subject: [pct-l] 45 degree bag?? North Cal and Oregon?
To: "pct-l" 

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How well would a 45 degree bag work right now north of the Sierras? When, if at all, would I need to change bags on the way to Manning?
I do have four layers of good warmth besides the bag. I'm looking at the Mountain Hardware Phantom +45, 17 oz., half zip (REI # 706122).
Thanks


Monty Tam
metam01@earthlink.net

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:12:01 -0700
From: Karl Duff 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Scout Merit Badge Hikes
To: Joanne Lennox 
Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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Dear Russ,
I imagine we all presumed you had a PCT guidebook for Oregon. Hence a
simple entry into one of the starting points we have suggested should lead
quickly to an opportune exit at approximately 20 miles.
Example: Start at Barlow Pass (elevation 4155 ft.) and proceed South to
Clackamas Lake Campground (elevation 3346 ft.). Distance is 19.8 miles. If you
wanted to exit sooner, say at Little Crater Meadow Forest camp (elevation 3220
ft.) which is 5.9 miles N. (by trail) of the Clackamas Lake Campground, then you
could possibly justify starting at Timberline Lodge (elevation 5940 ft.) 5.0
miles North of Barlow Pass. You should easily be able to tack on another mile
or so beyond Clackamas Lake Campground, (to make up for the approximately .9
mile reduced distance cited above) by proceeding SE on the PCT to the
intersection with road S549.
I hope this is sufficiently helpful to clarify the recommendation I've twice
previously made, though perhaps not with enough clarity to sound like a specific
20 mile segment.
Good hiking to you. Yours in backpacking and Scouting, Karl Duff

Joanne Lennox wrote:

> there are lots of 20 mile segments in Oregon, but you need to choose
> something fairly easy , that can be driven to at both ends and in the
> middle, that do not involve hazardous terrain, confusing trail junctions,
> have easy acess from trailheads and for you probably good access from the
> west side of the cascades.
>
> The Santiam to McKenzie Pass would be a long way down on my list for Scouts.
> That lava is very hard on the feet and boots, not to mention the lack of
> appeal(any slip or fall would have immediate consequences). This segment is
> only 17 miles and very unscenic and no water and not much easy
> straightforward access in the middle. Mainly this is the area of last years
> big burn. I do not know the exact boundries of the burn but this area was
> closed during theburn. It also includes a sizeable climb around Belnap and
> Mt Washington. I advise you to hike this section first if you plan to do it
> with the scouts.
>
> Better you should go to Willimette Pass and hike the 18 miles to summit
> Lake. This goes past Diamond Peak and should not be considered in a
> thunderstorm, which is what I was contending with. Or the PCT alternate of
> Willemette Pass to Crescent Lake on the Whitefish trail (dusty, not scenic,
> you could add a few miles on either end). Summit Lake to Windigo Pass would
> seem to be good, but I would not drive road 60 again even with a 4WD, and
> some of the trail junctions are not marked(I ended up at Waldo Lake). Also
> no good roads for half way points and an old fire created a lot of downed
> timber.
>
> You might also consider some 20 mile segments near Ashland. I realize that
> is a long way to drive but it is a fairly quick straight forward drive to
> Ashland on I-5. 20 mile segment between wrangle Gap to I-5 (long drive into
> Wrangle Gap and the last part on rough dirt road, trail crosses the road
> numerous times, scenic, and fairly flat, water, campgrounds) I-5 to Little
> Hyatt Reservoir (few easy road crossings, not a lot of water, fairly scenic,
> water for swimming and camping at end); Little Hyatt Reservoir to DEad
> Indian Road (not scenic, confusing trail and road croassings, have to know
> where the water is to find it, fairly level and will be cool in the trees).
>
> goforth
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Logerwell, Russell M" 
> To: 

> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 9:15 AM
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Scout Merit Badge Hikes
>
> > I greatly appreciate all the advice about conditioning the scouts --
> > your experience may save some feet and keep their hiking interest high.
> >
> > But I was disappointed that only 1 person responded with a 20-mile hike
> > suggestion -- thanks 'goforth'.
> >
> > Are there so few 20-mile segments in Oregon?
> >
> > What about McKenzie Pass to Santiam Pass? Lava at Belnap make this too
> > difficult?
> >
> > Warmest regards,
> > Russ Logerwell
> >
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:12:52 -0700
From: "Joanne Lennox" 
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear Boxes Giant Forest
To: "Ilja Friedel" 
, 

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Bear Boxes are fairly small, one person can fill half a box fairly easily if
they are out for any amount of time(Bulky food, everything smelly, pans).
this is why, BEAR BOXES ARE NOT FOR CACHING FOOD. I have arrived at bear
boxes at dusk and found them full, and too tired to go on. What do you do
when you know there will be a bear there in the night (certain locations and
this will be almost inevitable). Please do not abuse this privilege!!!

Caching food at trailheads can be just as much a problem!! Either in a car
or hung in a tree and you are teaching bears to get the food. All of us
have to contend with this problem and it usually goes like this: you have to
have someone bring you the food, or hitchhike out to a store or post office
to get it, or carry more than you would like to began with, or find a nearby
trail angel or ranger that is willing to keep the food. etc. Mineral King
had a cache shed at the end of the road, perhaps lodge pole has something
similar, but please do not just hang it in a tree at roads end.

Goforth

---- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ilja Friedel" 

To: 

Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 11:06 AM
Subject: [pct-l] Bear Boxes Giant Forest


> Hi,
>
> not exactly PCT related, but close (Sequoia NP):
> I'm planing a hike this fall from Roads End over Lodge Pole/Giant Forest
> to Harrison Pass (a little west of Forester Pass) and back down to Roads
> End. For this I need to cache food either at Lodge Pole or Giant Forest.
> I'd prefer Giant Forest for load balancing reasons. But are there enough
> bear boxes available for hikers in that area? Or is it better to leave the
> food at Lodge Pole (do they have a post office or other facilities?).
>
> Ilja.
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:14:25 -0700
From: "Norma" 
Subject: [pct-l] Jerky receipes
To: 

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I would like to thank you all for writeing back to me for the receipes, one in perticular,thanks Chuck&Sharon, and Dave,,,! you do it like I do, one more guestion is,what would Honey & liquid smoke do in an contoxion I did out of,brown suger,musterd,Tarriaki sause,a little wine ? I know there is more receipes out there, Howard 

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:17:00 -0700
From: "Irwin Reeves" 
Subject: [pct-l] San Jac fire
To: 

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The fire on the north side of Mt San Jacinto runs from
appox. the area of the drinking fountain at the bottom up to
the near the north end of Fuller Ridge. I can see
the area from my backyard. At the present (7/13/04 @
10 am) there are 2 thin lines of smoke going straight up.
NO WIND! However, this can change quickly here in the
San Gorgonio Pass area - that is why the wind mills are
here. Compared to this time yesterday the fire seems to
have laid down. But there are still helicopters working.

Irwin Reeves (Crash)


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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:30:23 -0400
From: "Christopher Mills" 
Subject: [pct-l] Starting Belden -- Cascade Locks next week
To: 

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Hi All,

I hiked the PCT in 2000 with the exception of the Belden to Cascade Locks segment. I'm leaving next Monday or Tuesday to hike the part I missed. I ordered Yogi's handbook, but I am not optimistic about receiving it in time. I know she is on the CDT now and I am not sure who is handling the mailing of her book.

I have the Northern CA and Oregon+WA guidebooks waiting for me in CA when I fly out this week. I also have the data book and town guide there. 

I have already picked up on some useful new information from this list, but if there is anything else I should know about this section that is different than 2000, please send the info my way! Sorry for the utter vagueness of that question. Trail angel, re-route, water stash, new resupply info (changed since 2000) would all be helpful. 
Thanks!
Chris, aka Hiker816
http://shotgunmills.tripod.com/



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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:32:45 -0700
From: backpack45scb 
Subject: [pct-l] Re: Sonora Pass
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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Can't tell you about North yet, will be doing that in a few weeks, but
just from looking at the guide books, it is not nearly as impressive
as going South for about 10 miles. Last year we went from Toulumne
Meadows to Sonora Pass. That last 10 miles or so is totally gorgeous,
very high and trail is on or close to the ridgeline most of the time.
The rocks are volcanic not granite so more colorful than JMT. We had
an afternoon thunderstorm that made for great lighting, but a little
scary as very little shelter from lightning. No water at all on this
section. There is a lake that is maybe a half mile of a steep downhill
from the trail. I ran out of film at the start of that section and was
so impressed that I went back several weeks later and did an overnight
dry camp in and out.
-- 
Ralph Alcorn
www.backpack45.com
Shepherd Canyon books, Publisher of We're in the Mountains, Not Over
the Hill: Tales and Tips from Seasoned Women Backpackers


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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:32:44 -0700
From: "matt maxon" 
Subject: [pct-l] Re: PCT advice
To: 
, 
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Erin
RE: water filters, how are you planning to hike the trail?

Are you going the Ultra lite-Water Cache dependant route or are you going to
obtain from natural/man made sources & carry most of your water?

I'd say if you are going to use water caches the Katadyn mini filter is
sufficent, otherwise I prefer the Katadyn Camp. It's certainly not light @
23oz, but it puts out 5L/per hr with little or no effort and there is no
pump to break!

And belive me you'll need lots of water along the Southern California Region
of the trail, I'm not sure were you're from but be assured it's very
different from northern and eastern US

http://www.katadyn.ch/site/us/home/outdoor_products/our_products/endurance_series/camp/

Trail90


----- Original Message ----- 
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:06:14 +0000
> From: "Erin Reading" 
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT advice
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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>
> Hello!
>
> I'm going to be thru-hiking the PCT in 2005, and I have a couple questions
I
> would love for you guys to answer...
>
> First, I'm about to order my sleeping bag from Feathered Friends, and I
was
> wondering if it would be better to get the Quantum Pertex fabric, which is
> the lightest they have, or the Epic, which is heavier but much more
> waterproof and durable. I'm going to be hiking with my dog, who I'm sure
> will be walking and sleeping on it quite often also, so I'm not sure if
the
> Quantum will hold up well enough.
>
> Second, is the Katadyn Mini Filter an OK choice for a filter?
>
> Third, I would love to have some dog advice...most of the books I read are
> far from helpful, being almost offensive. He will be two years old when we
> hike it and in extremely good shape. He climbs mountains about three to
four
> times a week in the summer and two to three times in the winter and
> absolutely loves it...he can handle class 2 stuff fine and a little class
3.
> He has also done fine doing really long mileages with lots of elevation
> gain...like yesterday was like 20 miles with over 9000 ft total elevation
> gain and he did awesome. So, I'm not too worried about him being fit
enough,
> but I'm not sure what to do about his feet, backpack, or food. Where in
the
> world do you get ultra-light hiking gear for dogs? What is the lightest
and
> best food? Are boots enough, or does he need extra foot care? If anyone
has
> hiked the PCT with their dog, I would love to correspond with you!!!
>
> Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> -Erin B & Kosmic
>




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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:16:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ilja Friedel 

Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear Boxes Giant Forest
To: Joanne Lennox 
Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
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Hi Joanne,

> boxes at dusk and found them full, and too tired to go on. What do you do
> when you know there will be a bear there in the night (certain locations and
> this will be almost inevitable). Please do not abuse this privilege!!!

Well, multiple trails start at Giant Forest. From what I've gathered there
should be some bear boxes around to cache food at the trail head. But I
would like to get some confirmation about it. Unfortunately you do not 
provide any information on my questions.

I've searched and Lodgepole has a post office. But it is only open during 
weekdays and depending for which starting day I'll get the permit that may 
not help me. 

Oh, I also don't intend to hang food at all. Ever. I have a Garcia and
just ordered a BearVault BV200. I'm a little nervous about the failures
mentioned in the past days. Maybe I'll return it for a Garcia, but I liked
the weight savings and (supposedly) larger size.

Ilja.




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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:30:13 -0700
From: "Mike Saenz" 
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Bear boxes on PCT in Southern Sierras
To: "Joel Dasenko" , 

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Ahhhhhhhhh.......

Just back from 4 days in the Golden Trout Wilderness. Had an awesome
time!

Regarding bear boxes, I didn't see any at the Cottonwood Pass trailhead
out of Horseshoe Meadow. The ranger station, though not requiring bear
cans, "highly recommended" them. The guy I talked to said that there was
a bear that works this area that knows how to take down even the best
counterbalanced hangs. So I rented a can. My buddy scoffed at the bear
threat and insisted on hanging his food. Actually, since we shared the
food load, we had some of it in the can, and some of it hung. So, as an
"experiment" we had the can sitting directly underneath the hung food
bag. Each night we set this up in this manner. ...and not even the
slightest evidence of any bear was found the entire trip! 

We started out from Horseshoe Meadow at around 9am Friday morning (drove
up from work Thursday night, a six hour drive, and slept in the back of
my truck) and made for Cottonwood Pass. At the pass, the PCT crosses the
trail down into the GTW. We took the PCT for a short hike up to Chicken

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