[pct-l] RE: pct-l Digest, Vol 14, Issue 15

[brianfitzpatrick202 at hotmail.com (Brian Fitzpatrick)]

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>    1. Re: PCT marker on Ebay! (Cathy)
>    2. Re: Old PCT marker on Ebay! (Bighummel@aol.com)
>    3. Stehekin Valley Road (Eric Lee (GAMES))
>    4. RE: Stehekin Valley Road (Eric Lee (GAMES))
>    5. Re: Black Toes (Cathy)
>    6. Re: skeeters? (Cathy)
>    7. Re: Snow on JMT? (dude)
>    8. Re: Golden Trout Wilderness (and plant name?) (Sam Blethen)
>    9. Snow on JMT? (David Davis)
>   10. Re: Snow on JMT? (CharlieJones@aol.com)
>   11. Test Message (Philip McHugh)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:30:55 -0700
>From: "Cathy" <tahoe.cat@verizon.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT marker on Ebay!
>To: "John Neff" <neffj@msn.com>
>Cc: pct-l <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <001101c4517c$f30b11c0$bf823c04@dslverizon.net>
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>The Best thing would have been to never have put them on trees!  They 
>should
>use a metal post in 100 lbs of cement and engrave the sign in the post so
>they can't be taken. The cost in the long run would be worth it.    Ground
>Pounder Bill
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Neff" <neffj@msn.com>
>To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 1:04 PM
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT marker on Ebay!
>
>
>Does that person realize that he will be doing more harm to the tree by
>removing the marker than if he just left it alone?  You might have a good
>idea here ol' goat.  That way if anyone really wanted to remove the marker,
>they could carry their portable screw driver (ie Swiss army knife) and 
>waste
>a lot of daylight hiking time.  Or maybe a DeWalt at 5 lbs+.  LOL
>Crest Rider
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: David Anderson
>   To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>   Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 12:39 PM
>   Subject: [pct-l] PCT marker on Ebay!
>
>
>
>   Hi all,
>
>   Speaking of PCT markers, I noticed last summer that a lot of markers
>   were well on their way to being sucked into the tree. Would it be better
>   to use screws? Something that could be easily backed-out a half-inch or
>   so every few years?
>
>   Just one of the thoughts I was pondering last summer..
>
>   ol' goat
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:10:11 EDT
>From: Bighummel@aol.com
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Old PCT marker on Ebay!
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <c.2b86173e.2dfe2ac3@aol.com>
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>
>I don't get it.  I sent this email out on 6/3/04 and yet it didn't hit the
>PCT-List until 6/12/04?  How come so long?
>
>Greg
>
>
>In a message dated 6/12/2004 11:20:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>Bighummel@aol.com writes:
>Brian (BDG7764@aol.com) writes:
>
>"IM glad it did not sell. nor would I realist it. I just want to thank all
>you pct lovers that are not lovers of trees etc for all your emails. I will
>be
>doing the pct next year. its my goal to remove every last marker that is
>infecting mine and muirs beloved trees. The white diamond will me nothing 
>but
>an
>ignorant placement of a trail marker in the years past by an ignorant 
>forest
>service at that time!  Please forward my email to all. Brian. P.S.  this
>weekend
>I go looking for my first removal in so Calif.. goal is to save the tree.
>Will
>turn all markers to the forest service but, the one I now have. IM going to
>get the news media in on this... Brian"
>
>ATTENTION ALL FOREST SERVICE, NATIONAL PARK, BLM, NATIONAL MONUMENT AND 
>STATE
>PARK EMPLOYEES!
>
>THIS INDIVIDUAL IS PLANNING TO HIKE THE PCT NEXT YEAR WITH THE ABOVE 
>AGENDA.
>IF I UNDERSTAND THE LAW CORRECTLY, IT IS A FEDERAL OFFENSE TO ILLEGALLY
>REMOVE, DEFACE, OR OTHERWISE DESTROY ANY SIGNAGE ON FEDERALLY PROTECTED
>LANDS.  AS
>THE PACIFIC CREST NATIONAL SCENIC TRAIL IS A FEDERALLY PROTECTED ENTITY, 
>ALL
>SIGNAGE UPON IT IS PROTECTED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
>
>With the twisted logic of this individual we would remove the Golden Gate
>Bridge because it was not originally there.  Nor would we maintain any of 
>the
>trails because we would be introducing unnatural drainage and rearranging
>rocks
>and trees to provide access to the trail.
>
>IMHO,
>
>Greg "Strider" Hummel
>PCT '77
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:53:02 -0700
>From: "Eric Lee (GAMES)" <elee@microsoft.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Stehekin Valley Road
>To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
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>I don't remember if this has been discussed already, but it seems that
>the Stehekin shuttle will *not* be able to make it all the way to High
>Bridge (where the PCT meets Stehekin Valley Road) this summer.  Instead,
>the Shuttle will stop at a parking area just above Stehekin Valley
>Ranch, approximately 1.7 miles east of High Bridge.  There should be a
>hikable trail between the two locations.
>
>See this link for more information:
>http://www.stehekinchoice.com/happenings/postings/road_trail_report.htm
>
>The web site isn't very specific about how long this will be the case.
>
>Eric
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:55:53 -0700
>From: "Eric Lee (GAMES)" <elee@microsoft.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] RE: Stehekin Valley Road
>To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
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>I wrote:
> >
>I don't remember if this has been discussed already, but it seems that
>the Stehekin shuttle will *not* be able to make it all the way to High
>Bridge (where the PCT meets Stehekin Valley Road) this summer.
> >
>
>Oh, and one other fact of note - the National Park Service shuttle won't
>be running at all this summer.  The only available shuttle will be the
>privately-owned one run by Jim Williams.
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:10:44 -0700
>From: "Cathy" <tahoe.cat@verizon.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Black Toes
>To: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
>Cc: pct-l <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <006201c4519b$a838ec20$bf823c04@dslverizon.net>
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>Hi Mike There might not be any bears but there is a lot of other annoying
>things. If fox tails were money I'd be a trillionare. When I first left hwy
>74 it was 11:00 am on Friday. I forgot to check to see if there was a sign
>in log at the water cache that I saw as I first left the parking area. From
>there it was all up hill, "or Mountain" and very hot. The first night I
>camped at a spot that had a yellow T post that read JS5 it was about 9 
>miles
>out. I stopped at 6pm very slow going. The next morning I was on the trail
>at 5:45 and got to Fobes Saddle at 9am. Still slow going, and was down on
>water. "THANKS TO BILL'S KITCHEN" There was about a dozen gallons of water,
>NEW I helped my self to 1 to fill all my empties. From there it took me 
>2hrs
>and 15min. to go 2 miles. yes 2. All up!! From the time I left fobes saddle
>I was wearing my head net. The dear flies and horse flies and nats were
>atrocious. I had already taken the bottoms of my pants off, bad move. I met
>4 hikers that were infested with dear flies and had no repellent of any
>kind. Needles to say I didn't have mine either. I continued on still
>thinking of how slow I was going. I was carrying about 45 to 50 lbs
>including water. Way to heavy. The views were unbelievable. It was awesome.
>I honestly didn't realize how far I was going until I was passed by two day
>hikers, she carried nothing but two trekking poles, He had the same and a
>small day pack. They were probably moving about 3 to 4 mph. they left me
>fast. I made it to my truck at 8:10 pm. I had thought of camping at about
>4pm but when they went by me I thought that if they could do it so could I.
>I guess I just wanted to get home, I was beat. The highest point  was over
>8500'.  All I could do was put one foot in front of the other. I think I
>need to give myself an extra day on all hikes. Thanks Again to all those
>that Cache Water!!!
>                   Ground Pounder Bill
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
>To: "Cathy" <tahoe.cat@verizon.net>
>Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:57 AM
>Subject: RE: [pct-l] Black Toes
>
>
>No bears in Idyllwild area.
>
>
>M i c h a e l   S a e n z
>McLarand Vasquez Emsiek & Partners, Inc.
>A r c h i t e c t u r e    P l a n n i n g    I n t e r i o r s
>w  w  w  .  m  v  e  -  a  r  c  h  i  t  e  c  t  s  .  c  o  m
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cathy [mailto:tahoe.cat@verizon.net]
>Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 9:34 AM
>To: Mike Saenz
>Cc: pct-l
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Black Toes
>
>No Mike I haven't thought about what color I should use, I think taking
>them
>off is a better idea. Heck just pulling them off shouldn't be any more
>painful, then maybe one of your "oil cans" might help. PS has anyone
>seen
>any bears between hwy 74 and the I 10? I guess I'll be doing that solo.
>Ground Pounder
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mike Saenz" <msaenz@mve-architects.com>
>To: "Sharon & Chuck Chelin" <chelin@teleport.com>; "Cathy"
><tahoe.cat@verizon.net>
>Cc: "pct-l" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:10 AM
>Subject: RE: [pct-l] Black Toes
>
>
>Heh-heh-heh....
>
>All hands,
>
>"Cathy" is actually "Bill", my PCT hiking partner.
>
>Heh-heh-heh....
>
>"Cathy" is his wife's name (her e-mail account).
>
>Snicker-snicker....
>
>Bill (Ground Pounder) is a former Marine (there are NO ex-Marines!).
>A big guy. A man's man kind of guy...
>
>HA-HA-HA~!!!!!!
>
>What shade of toe nail polish you planning on using Bill???
>
>WA-HA-HA-HA-ha-ha-ha!!!!!
>
>Can I tell all the other guys about you r toe nail polish, "Cathy"????
>
>WOO-HOO-hoo-hoo-ha-ha-ha!!!!!!!
>
>Hee-hee-hee....
>
>Oh that was good...
>
>Thanks fro my morning's first laugh!!!!
>
>-Mike
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sharon & Chuck Chelin [mailto:chelin@teleport.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 8:43 PM
>To: Cathy
>Cc: pct-l
>Subject: [pct-l] Black Toes
>
>Good evening, Cathy,
>
>I too have tried many things, but I have found only one thing that will
>deal
>with the black-nail problem.  Unfortunately, I won't use it:  Toenail
>polish.  It doesn't prevent or cure anything that I know of, but it will
>cover the nail and make it less conspicuous.  Some women even use black,
>or
>very dark, polish.
>
>Being a rather straight-laced and conservative guy I am not about to
>wear
>toenail polish, but you can probably get away with it.  I seem to
>continually have some toe or another with the problem.  I keep hoping
>they
>will eventually just give up and quit growing back, but no luck so far.
>
>Steel-Eye
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Cathy" <tahoe.cat@verizon.net>
>To: "Ken Powers" <kdpo@pacbell.net>
>Cc: "pct-l" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 8:14 PM
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] permanent injuries from thru-hiking?
>
>
> > Hi does anyone know what can be done about getting black toes and
>nails
> > breaking half way back of the nail? This happens a lot to me and it
>takes
>a
> > very long time to grow back, months to almost a year. I've changed
>from
> > different kinds of boots and different socks but it still happens.
>Thanks
> > Ground Pounder
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ken Powers" <kdpo@pacbell.net>
> > To: "PCT-L" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 2:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] permanent injuries from thru-hiking?
> >
> >
> > > The only permanent injury that I have from thru-hiking the PCT  is
>that
>I
> > > can't get enough thru-hiking. I'm always looking for another long
>trail
>to
> > > thru-hike.
> > >
> > > On a thru-hike my feet, especially my toes, get a numbness. I expect
>part
> > of
> > > that is inadvertent kicking of rocks and roots. Anyway the numbness
>foes
> > > away within a month of finishing a thru-hike.
> > >
> > > I used to get pains in my knees when I hiked with Boy Scouts over 10
>years
> > > ago. Since I have been hiking longer distances I no longer get the
>knee
> > > pains. I attribute it to stronger knees from more frequent exercise.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > > www.GottaWalk.com
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Pea Hicks" <phix@optigan.com>
> > > To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 4:00 AM
> > > Subject: [pct-l] permanent injuries from thru-hiking?
> > >
> > >
> > > > hi all-
> > > >
> > > > i'm wondering if anyone out there has any stories to share vis a
>vis
> > > > permanent (or at least long-lasting) injuries sustained from the
>simple
> > > > act of thru-hiking a trail such as the PCT. i'm not talking about
> > > > injuries from isolated accidents or incidents- i'm more interested
>in,
> > > > say, knee or foot injuries due to all that daily stress that
>linger
>well
> > > > after the hike is over. it seems that everyone that attempts such
>a
>hike
> > > > complains about various types of pain either sporadically or
>constantly,
> > > > but i don't recall reading much about the consequences of
>continuing
>on
> > > > day after day despite the pain... except, of course, in cases
>where
>the
> > > > pain was sufficient to knock the person off the trail... but even
>in
> > > > those cases, people generally report their eventual recovery.
> > > >
> > > > so, any stories of permanent injury? any particular types of pain
>that
> > > > should be interpreted as real red-flags?
> > > >
> > > > also, when i hiked section A of the pct last year, the main issue
>my
> > > > body had was illiotibial band syndrome on my right knee. i had
>pain on
> > > > the outside area of my knee, and it was much worse on downhill
>than on
> > > > uphill. my knee and hips remained sore for weeks after my hike-
>much
> > > > longer than i had expected! i have an article with some stretches,
>etc,
> > > > related to this problem, but i'm wondering if anyone out there has
>any
> > > > advice, especially techniques or technology to help avoid having
>this
> > > > problem in the future.
> > > >
> > > > thanks in advance!
> > > > peanut
> > > > (pct05 wannabe)
> > > >
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>Message: 6
>Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:26:14 -0700
>From: "Cathy" <tahoe.cat@verizon.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] skeeters?
>To: "AsABat" <AsABat@4Jeffrey.Net>
>Cc: pct-l <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <00a301c4519d$d28ba920$bf823c04@dslverizon.net>
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>after this weekend I think deet is a good Idea anywhere. If you can get the
>military deet it has 75% so its the best I've seen.   Ground Pounder
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "AsABat" <AsABat@4Jeffrey.Net>
>To: "Judson Brown" <judson@jeffnet.org>; "pctl (E-mail)"
><pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 7:44 AM
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] skeeters?
>
>
> > I had no bug trouble between Kennedy Mdw and Trail Pass this week, but 
>we
> > didn't camp near water.
> >
> > AsABat
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > Will deet be necessary between Cottonwood Pass and Walker Pass next
>week?
> >
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>Message: 7
>Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:13:25 +0000 (UTC)
>From: "dude" <dude@fastmail.ca>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snow on JMT?
>To: giles_daron@yahoo.com
>Cc: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <20040614001327.1B66986452A@mail.interchange.ca>
>Content-Type: text/plain
>
> > ...but I
> > saw somewhere else that Tioga pass has 92" of snow.
>
>I dunno if there is 92" of snow on Tioga Pass, but according to the NPS
>website the pass is open for vehicle traffic:
>
>http://www.nps.gov/yose/now/conditions.htm#roads
>
>also, you may be able to glean the info you need from this site:
>http://cdec.water.ca.gov/snow/current/snow/
>
>HTH.
>
>peace,
>dude
>
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>
>Message: 8
>Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:06:40 -0700
>From: Sam Blethen <sam@rvi.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Golden Trout Wilderness (and plant name?)
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <40CD0830.4010904@rvi.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Hi,
>
>Thanks for the photos of the Golden Trout Wilderness.
>
>Here are some other links  that can be helpful in plant identification:
>
>CalPhotos http://elib.cs.berkeley.edu/photos/flora
>Native Plant Society of Oregon  http://www.npsoregon.org
>Plants Database http://plants.usda.gov
>UC Herbarium http://ucjeps.berkeley.edu
>eNature http://www.enature.com
>
>Sam Blethen
>
>
>James Payne wrote:
>
> >Thanks for sharing the photos...  I always enjoyed that general area
> >(even before it was designated a wilderness area, and then was
> >fortunately greatly expanded later on, also) - especially the upper
> >reaches of the South Fork of the Kern (Tunnel Meadow area) on North to
> >Cottonwood Pass (usually came in from Horseshoe Meadow out of Lone
> >Pine)...
> >
> >The plant you were wondering about is Veratrum californicum, most
> >commonly known (as previously noted by Crest Rider) as Corn Lily, but
> >another common name is Western False Hellebore (or just False
> >Hellebore)...  some web sites to get some more info:
> >
> >http://www.calacademy.org/research/botany/wildflow/names/202233.htm
> >
> >http://www.calflora.net/bloomingplants/cornlily.html
> >
> >http://www.flowersociety.org/corn_lily_heyns.htm
> >
> >(Hey, I already knew it as Corn Lily, but I'm stuck at WORK on a
> >Sunday...  so I looked it up for more info just in case anyone else is
> >interested!)
> >
> >Well, back to work...  Happy trails!
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>Message: 9
>Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:35:50 -0700 (PDT)
>From: David Davis <atvet@sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] Snow on JMT?
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <20040614023550.71674.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>There has been a number of e-mails regarding current snow conditions. While 
>I can not comment on the JMT, I did a brief prep hike today on the PCT, in 
>the Donner Pass area and the snow was disturbingly absent. We hiked for 
>about 3 miles from Soda Springs Roas to the Interstate, and not once did 
>snow cross the trail, despite the fact that we were above 7,500 feet and 
>spent some time on the north slope of a very shaded mountain side. This 
>time last year, I was in the Velma Lakes area (same elevation as Donner, 
>but about 50 miles south) and the PCT was obscured by snow.
>
>Dave
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 10
>Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:58:36 EDT
>From: CharlieJones@aol.com
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snow on JMT?
>To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <96.d6107b6.2dfe6e5c@aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>
>In a message dated 6/13/2004 7:36:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>atvet@sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>There  has been a number of e-mails regarding current snow  conditions.
>
>
>I missed the original question about what to expect in the way of snow on
>the JMT in mid-July.
>
>I won't try to forecast what you will find this year, but I can tell you
>that in 1996 when I did the JMT (north to south, beginning July 17), we 
>found
>snow on almost every pass above 10,000 feet.
>
>Charlie
>
>
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>Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:52:50 +0930
>From: "Philip McHugh" <usaphilip@acr.net.au>
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