[pct-l] Re: PCT-L digest, Vol 1 #313 - 10 msgs

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>    1. RE: Choosing a hiking dog (brick@webrooster.com)
>    2. RE: Choosing a hiking dog (Andrew West)
>    3. 100 miler near Lake Morena on PCT 15-Dec-01 (Brick Robbins)
>    4. 1969 PCT (Joanne Lennox)
>    5. Re: inner speed demon (Lightningbolt)
>    6. Re: 1969 PCT (Lightningbolt)
>    7. Re: Choosing a hiking dog (Thomas D.Weir)
>    8. Re: Southbound Ben Finishes! (CMountainDave@aol.com)
>    9. Re: 100 miler near Lake Morena on PCT 15-Dec-01
(CMountainDave@aol.com)
>   10. RE: 100 miler near Lake Morena on PCT 15-Dec-01 (Reynolds, WT)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:06:25 -0800
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> From: brick@webrooster.com
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Choosing a hiking dog
>
> At 09:32 AM 11/12/01, 'Marion Davison'" <mardav@charter.net> wrote:
> >   Can anyone recommend a breed or mix that loves to hike,
> >can handle high elevations and distances of 10 to 18 miles per day, is a
> >loyal and loving companion, not too hyper, and can get along with cats
> >and llamas?
>
> There are endless discussions of "what is the best breed for long
distance"
> on the ultra running list.
>
> You can access the archives at
> http://listserv.dartmouth.edu/archives/ultra.html
>
> After reading all the posts on that list, I think I can safely say "it's
> the particular dog, not the breed"
>
> Also dogs need training (just like us) to be able to go longer distances.
I
> used to have a small cocka -poo (about 20#) that would happily run
marathon
> distances with me in the mountains (as long as it was cool, or she has
> creeks to swim in).
>
> Early in her life, before she was trained for distances,  she would start
> slowing and letting me know she had enough after only 5-6 miles. I started
> running longer distances when she was about a year old, and we both got
fit
> together, so her mileage increased as mine did, and we had a happy running
> relationship
>
>
> --
> Brick Robbins
>
> The only way to do it  --  is to do it.
> --Merce Cunningham
>
>
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> Message: 2
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Choosing a hiking dog
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:40:41 -0800 (PST)
> From: Andrew West <awest00@umail.ucsb.edu>
>
> I've heard once that someone may be specifically developing a breed of dog
for long-distance haking.  Anyone out there have any info on that?
>
> Quoting brick@webrooster.com:
>
> > At 09:32 AM 11/12/01, 'Marion Davison'" <mardav@charter.net> wrote:
> > >   Can anyone recommend a breed or mix that loves to hike,
> > >can handle high elevations and distances of 10 to 18 miles per day, is
> > a
> > >loyal and loving companion, not too hyper, and can get along with
> > cats
> > >and llamas?
> >
> > There are endless discussions of "what is the best breed for long
> > distance"
> > on the ultra running list.
> >
> > You can access the archives at
> > http://listserv.dartmouth.edu/archives/ultra.html
> >
> > After reading all the posts on that list, I think I can safely say "it's
> >
> > the particular dog, not the breed"
> >
> > Also dogs need training (just like us) to be able to go longer
> > distances. I
> > used to have a small cocka -poo (about 20#) that would happily run
> > marathon
> > distances with me in the mountains (as long as it was cool, or she has
> >
> > creeks to swim in).
> >
> > Early in her life, before she was trained for distances,  she would
> > start
> > slowing and letting me know she had enough after only 5-6 miles. I
> > started
> > running longer distances when she was about a year old, and we both got
> > fit
> > together, so her mileage increased as mine did, and we had a happy
> > running
> > relationship
> >
> >
> > --
> > Brick Robbins
> >
> > The only way to do it  --  is to do it.
> > --Merce Cunningham
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:22:26 -0800
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> From: Brick Robbins <brick@fastpack.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] 100 miler near Lake Morena on PCT 15-Dec-01
>
> There is a 100 mile race on the PCT starting 15 Dec 01 at Lake Morena.
>
> A look at the way this is being run might shed some light on this sort of
> event.
>
> A total of 15 entrants.
> The only course markings are the PCT trail markers.
> The course is over 50miles of the PCT out and back
> There are a total of 8 aid stations at Road crossings.
> The course does not go through any wilderness areas, and there are no
> wilderness permits required.
>
> There is no fee charged for this race (so the Race Director is not "making
> money off the trail")
>
> So basically, 15 outdoor enthusiasts are going on a 20-30 hour ultra light
> romp along the PCT, and getting some help from their friends to do it.
This
> will be a lot less impact than 15 thru-hikers, since no one will be
> camping, and the aid stations are on roads (and the areas where they are
> will be left cleaner than when they arrived).
>
> There will be some competition among the 15 participants, most will be
just
> competing against themselves to finish the event.
>
>  From the entry form:
> -------------------
> SD 100 Race Rules: No littering, no dogs or bicycles are allowed on the
> PCT. Please leave them at home! If you drop out, make sure you notify a
> race official or volunteer. You must have fun!
> -------------------
>
> More information at
> http://rwww.run100s.com/entries/sd01.rtf
>
>
> --
> Brick Robbins                       mailto:brick@fastpack.com
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> Reply-To: <goforth@cio.net>
> From: "Joanne Lennox" <goforth@cio.net>
> To: "pct-mailing list" <PCT-L@backcountry.net>
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 01:40:39 -0800
> Subject: [pct-l] 1969 PCT
>
>
> I was just going through my "map boxes" trying to find a state map of New
> Mexico and found a folder marked Pacific Crest Trail.  In it was a general
> booklet put out by Forest Serive titled "Backpacking in the National
> Wilderness' (Revised 1971).  It is a real kick, especially the pictures.
>
> I also found 3 foldout booklets produced by the FS - "Pacific Crest
> National Scenic TRail- Washington", another one for Oregon.  They are very
> well done and you could hike the trail with these, apart from the changes.
> There are section maps for the whole state, a state map, trail log ,
> mileages and short description for each section between waypoints.  Two
are
> dated 1969, one is 1971 and looks the same but includes a map of the
entire
> trail on the back. Amounts to an 16 page booklet unfolded (9by 5 and a
> half).  Too bad they don't put out a similar publication today( and it was
> free then).
>
> Joanne
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> From: Lightningbolt <lightningbolt94@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] inner speed demon
> Date: 12 Nov 2001 22:35:19 GMT
> Organization: Backcountry.Net
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> Brawney;
>
> Great to hear from you again after a fantastic summer on the PCT and
> yes, my (our) homemade cup from ADZPCTKO is holding up and ready for
> another 3,000 miles!
>
> I liked your outlook on the "inner speed demon" and I believe that
> anyone who hikes must confront it at some point. When I thru-hiked the
> AT I knew that I was a driven person because I found that I was the
> happiest when I was moving. Since I already knew my hiking style, I
> didn't even try to fight the inner speed demon on this summer's PCT hike
> and just kept moving and smiling all the way. I guess that for me I'm
> just a very goal oriented person and I'm happiest when I'm making
> progress. Of course, everyone is different and has different goals which
> I highly respect.
>
> I do recall one kindly gentleman that I met in the North Cascades this
> summer who questioned my speed hiking. He was doing 8 to 10 mile days
> while I was averaging 30 mile days in that section and he asked, "but
> don't you miss a lot by hiking so fast?" I told him that for me to go
> any slower would cause me to miss everything because I'm happiest when
> I'm constantly moving. For gosh sakes, I ate lunch while hiking nearly
> everyday. Personally, I would never feel comfortable questioning
> anybody's chosen hiking speed because quite obviously they are going at
> the pace which is best for them, but not me.
>
> With that said, I totally agree with you in that hiking speed is a
> personal thing and I completely respect that difference between hikers
> and would never judge another based on that. Yes, I like to "smell the
> roses" as I pass by in a small cloud of dust, but if someone would
> rather plant some roses and watch them grow for a while, then they have
> my fullest support :)
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> --
>
>  - Posted via http://forums.backcountry.net
>
>
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>
> Message: 6
> From: Lightningbolt <lightningbolt94@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 1969 PCT
> Date: 13 Nov 2001 00:07:19 GMT
> Organization: Backcountry.Net
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> The date you mentioned was 1971 when, gosh I was only 15 years old and
> also when I began collecting information on the PCT. I still have the
> National Geographic article from the June '71 issue where the PCT was
> the lead feature story and still a very broken and primitive trail. I
> greatly enjoy looking back at the photos from that 30 year-ago
> article... the big boy scout canvas-looking backpacks with clearly
> visible metal waist buckles... you know, just like the one I was also
> using back then! And one of the tents in a photo looks like a small puff
> of air might blow it right off the mountain. A couple of hiker's look
> like something directly out of Woodstock, but I didn't notice anyone
> hiking in bell bottom's.
>
> I love to look back at the trail's history because like "they" say, you
> don't know where you're going if you don't know where you've been!
> Thanks for sharing your find.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> --
>
>  - Posted via http://forums.backcountry.net
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> From: "Thomas D.Weir" <weir@turbonet.com>
> To: "Marion Davison" <mardav@charter.net>, <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Choosing a hiking dog
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:27:44 -0800
>
> Marion,
>
> My choice would be a Lab.  They are extremely sturdy dogs.  They curl up
> into a compact package in the tent.  They are protective without being
> aggressive.  Their coats are low maintenance.
>
> I hiked a large section of the PCT in SoCal in 1982 with my Lab.  He was
the
> only dog that I know of that made it to Wrightwood without having to see
the
> vet.  Of coarse, I made sure he was in shape before starting the trip.  He
> carried all his own food.
>
> As many Labs were registered with the AKC last year as the next three most
> popular breeds combined, so you should have no problem finding one at the
> pound.  Look for an athletic one, not the sausage shaped ones that are so
> common (Labs love to eat).
>
> Hiking with a dog is a big responsibility.  You have to be sure that the
dog
> is safe and healthy.  You also have to make sure that the dog does not
> degrade the wilderness or other hikers enjoyment of the wilderness.
>
> I could go on and on about hiking with dogs, but I will spare the members
of
> the list.  If you would like to hear any of my suggestion contact me off
> list.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marion Davison" <mardav@charter.net>
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 10:59 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] Choosing a hiking dog
>
>
> > I am planning to shop the pound for a new young dog, to be a home
> > protector and hiking companion for me.  I prefer dogs in the 70 to 100
> > pound range.  Can anyone recommend a breed or mix that loves to hike,
> > can handle high elevations and distances of 10 to 18 miles per day, is a
> > loyal and loving companion, not too hyper, and can get along with cats
> > and llamas?
> > Marion Davison
> > _______________________________________________
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>
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>
> Message: 8
> From: CMountainDave@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 01:17:08 EST
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Southbound Ben Finishes!
> To: Joedaddy44@aol.com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
>
> In a message dated 11/11/01 11:29:33 PM, Joedaddy44@aol.com writes:
>
> << On Sat. (11/10) the lounge went on the road and was there waiting to
> welcome Ben to the Mexican Border and help him celebrate the end of his
> journey in full lounge fashion complete with multi-colored umbrella, well
> stocked ice chest, folding lawn chairs, and music to soothe the weary
hiker.
> >>
>
> Cool end to the hike!
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> From: CMountainDave@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 01:25:29 EST
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 100 miler near Lake Morena on PCT 15-Dec-01
> To: brick@fastpack.com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> sounds good and kosher to me!
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> From: "Reynolds, WT" <reynolds@iLAN.com>
> To: "'Brick Robbins'" <brick@fastpack.com>, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] 100 miler near Lake Morena on PCT 15-Dec-01
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:40:23 -0800
>
> Sounds to me that this will absolutely ruin the trail and cause as much
> damage as .08 horses. Couldn't they find a nicer trail to run?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brick Robbins [mailto:brick@fastpack.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 11:22 AM
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] 100 miler near Lake Morena on PCT 15-Dec-01
>
>
> There is a 100 mile race on the PCT starting 15 Dec 01 at Lake Morena.
>
> A look at the way this is being run might shed some light on this sort of
> event.
>
> A total of 15 entrants.
> The only course markings are the PCT trail markers.
> The course is over 50miles of the PCT out and back
> There are a total of 8 aid stations at Road crossings.
> The course does not go through any wilderness areas, and there are no
> wilderness permits required.
>
> There is no fee charged for this race (so the Race Director is not "making
> money off the trail")
>
> So basically, 15 outdoor enthusiasts are going on a 20-30 hour ultra light
> romp along the PCT, and getting some help from their friends to do it.
This
> will be a lot less impact than 15 thru-hikers, since no one will be
> camping, and the aid stations are on roads (and the areas where they are
> will be left cleaner than when they arrived).
>
> There will be some competition among the 15 participants, most will be
just
> competing against themselves to finish the event.
>
>  From the entry form:
> -------------------
> SD 100 Race Rules: No littering, no dogs or bicycles are allowed on the
> PCT. Please leave them at home! If you drop out, make sure you notify a
> race official or volunteer. You must have fun!
> -------------------
>
> More information at
> http://rwww.run100s.com/entries/sd01.rtf
>
>
> --
> Brick Robbins                       mailto:brick@fastpack.com
>
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