[pct-l] Re: PCT-L digest, Vol 1 #107 - 23 msgs

[bill@billperson.org (Bill Person)]

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> Today's Topics:
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>    1. Introduction (Davidson, Don)
>    2. Yosemite (Davidson, Don)
>    3. Re: THE MOST IMPORTANT THING!!! (was: Fiery glop) (Karen Elder)
>    4. Re: New Diaper Service Announcement (CMountainDave@aol.com)
>    5. Re: New Diaper Service Announcement (Christine Kudija)
>    6. Weather (claudia Tuor)
>    7. Re: Weather (AsABat)
>    8. Re: photon/LED flashlights (ROYROBIN@aol.com)
>    9. Coffee grounds (Charlie Thorpe)
>   10. detour north of Belden (Ginny & Jim Owen)
>   11. RE: Yosemite (Pete Asprey)
>   12. Re: human waste (Charlie Thorpe)
>   13. Tioga Road Opening. (Richard)
>   14. Re: Weather (John Mertes)
>   15. Re: a letter to C. Thorpe (Charlie Thorpe)
>   16. Re: a letter to C. Thorpe (CMountainDave@aol.com)
>   17. Fw: MSR Ultralite Tent tester call (TrailTrash)
>   18. Re: MSR Ultralite Tent tester call (TrailTrash)
>   19. Re: Weather (claudia Tuor)
>   20. Testing the pepsi can stove (Marge Prothman)
>   21. Re: Testing the pepsi can stove (R.J.Calliger)
>   22. Tioga road closing (calliger@www.infolane.com)
>   23. Shuttle from YNP (calliger@www.infolane.com)
>
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>
> Message: 1
> From: "Davidson, Don" <donaldd@lamar.colostate.edu>
> To: pct-l@backcountry.net
> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:13:02 -0600
> Subject: [pct-l] Introduction
>
> Hi all,
>
> I subscribed to the list several weeks ago to learn more about the PCT
> community in preparation  for a 2002 thru-hike. So far, I have found the
> discussions informative, entertaining, and amusing. My wife Leslie and I
are
> retiring next year and will attempt a northbound hike starting in early
> April. We are experienced backcountry travelers and have hiked along and
> across many sections of the PCT. We leave for California and ADZPCTKO in a
> few days and are looking forward to meeting some of you there and more of
> you somewhere along the trail next year.
>
> Happy Trails,
>
> Don Davidson
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> From: "Davidson, Don" <donaldd@lamar.colostate.edu>
> To: pct-l@backcountry.net
> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:21:13 -0600
> Subject: [pct-l] Yosemite
>
> Tioga Pass Road opened last year on May 18. For a list of opening dates
> since 1933 see: http://www.monobasinresearch.org/data/tiogapass.htm
> <http://www.monobasinresearch.org/data/tiogapass.htm>
>
> Don Davidson
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> Reply-To: "Karen Elder" <wild_mind@earthlink.net>
> From: "Karen Elder" <wild_mind@earthlink.net>
> To: <pct-l@backcountry.net>
> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:53:57 -0600
> Subject: [pct-l] Re: THE MOST IMPORTANT THING!!! (was: Fiery glop)
>
> > Please -- not the tooth cleanser wars again!!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Mayer
> And what do YOU consider more important than your teeth?  Without teeth,
you
> can't eat.  If you can't eat, you can't hike.  It's as simple as that.
> I, personally, consider anything involving tooth care to not only be trail
> related, but absolutely fundamental to the trail experience, and I RESENT
> any attempt to denegrate the importance of proper, effective, ecologically
> correct, trail based dental care.
> -------------------------------------
> Jim, well, honestly, I consider a large number of things and people on
this
> earth more important than my teeth, for example, my relationship with my
> husband, the health and welfare of my children, and so on.
>
> However, the reason that I said "Please -- not the tooth cleanser wars
> again!!!" is that, IIRC, we discussed toothpaste, tooth powder, baking
soda,
> etc., ad infinitum on this list just a couple of months ago. Now, we do
tend
> to discuss the same topics over and over, and that is as it should be as
new
> people join the list, however, this particular topic did not provide any
> particularly enlightening insights, as I recall. Check out the archives,
> since to you, apparently, this is obviously the most important topic on
> earth.
>
> Peace out
> .-=Karen
> Albuquerque, NM, USA
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> From: CMountainDave@aol.com
> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:00:59 EDT
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] New Diaper Service Announcement
> To: cmkudija@earthlink.net, CMountainDave@aol.com, pct-l@backcountry.net
>
> >For a fee of only $50 per town stop I will collect those used diapers and
>
> furnish you with enough Pampers ultralites to "pass" through the next
>
> section<
>
>
> >but Dave, will that cover <G> your "dump" fees?<
>
>
> Christine
>
>
>
>
> Actually, Christine, I have a computerized list of dozens of people who
are
> willing to pay big money for me to dump whatever I collect into their new
age
> composting outhouses. They in turn make big money selling THEIR stuff to
new
> age nurseries who then use it on their new age plants and then sell their
> plants to "politically  AND environmentally correct" new age organic
> gardeners just drooling to show off their new age human compost gardens to
> their new age friends. It's a whole new economy springing up. So you see,
it
> all "works out." And there's plenty more to be made when I figure out how
to
> "dump" the middlemen. Maybe I should go into the "sani can"  and nursery
> business, too. And I'm about to sign a contract with the National Forest
> Service for cat hole mining as well! Dubya is all for it as a fine example
of
> how private enterprise can make money off of public lands (I'm in the
process
> of training my dog, Schnowzer.) Life is like a box of ex-lax, you just
never
> know what is going to come out next. Thanks Charlie, for inadvertently
giving
> me this GREAT idea. I owe you one! :)
>   P.S. I promise not to quit my day job.
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> Reply-To: "Christine Kudija" <cmkudija@earthlink.net>
> From: "Christine Kudija" <cmkudija@earthlink.net>
> To: <CMountainDave@aol.com>, <pct-l@backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] New Diaper Service Announcement
> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:21:23 -0700
>
> ya gotta love capitalism....dubya would be proud.
>
> Now, I'll have to check out the 1872 mining law & its application to
> ...er...dumpage.  - you might not even need that contract with the USFS...
>
> Christine
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> From: "claudia Tuor" <swisstuor@hotmail.com>
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:55:18
> Subject: [pct-l] Weather
>
> Hi there,
> First I wonna thanks for all the information I got from many people about
> Tioga Pass in Yosemite. It looks like that my friends have to take another
> route to get to the other side.
>
> Now I would love to know, how is the weather in Southern California? In
> about a week me and a friend of mine will hit the Trail in Campo for a
> couple weeks. Do we need to take rainpants with us or should it be good to
> go without? We just got about a foot of snow in Switzerland last night.
> Right now it`s raining buckets and it`s cold.
>
> Happy Trails to everybody and see some of you in a couple weeks.
Yeehawww!!!
>
> Claudia
> alias Swiss Miss
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>
> Message: 7
> From: "AsABat" <wjj2001@yahoo.com>
> To: "claudia Tuor" <swisstuor@hotmail.com>,
<pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Weather
> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:26:46 -0700
>
> A week or so ago they had snow in the mountains.
> This week is warm and sunny, but a bit cool at night in the mountains.
> Next week who knows? Be prepared.
>
> Bill "AsABat" Jeffrey
>
>
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> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> From: ROYROBIN@aol.com
> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:58:30 EDT
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] photon/LED flashlights
> To: anne_cahill@hotmail.com, pct-l@backcountry.net
>
> << how long [do] these keychain flashlights last w/ the 2 lithium
batteries?
> >>
>
> Brian called just now from Gila Hot Springs, NM.  He's using the Lightwave
> Pocket-Bright flashlight.  Here's a field report:  The package advertises
> "over 100 hours of usable light".  He's using the light about 2 hours per
> night and is getting perhaps 20 hours of really usable light, i.e., light
you
> can use to hike at night.  He changes the batteries about every two weeks.
> With new batteries, the light is much brighter than the Photon light. And,
of
> course, the press on, press off switch is handier than the ones on the
Photon
> light.  So far, the switch has been reliable.
>
> The light intensity seems to be linear rather than a "knee" curve, as the
> batteries grow weaker.    The thing may give some light after 50 hours,
but
> not enough to hike with.  Cold weather conditions can't be good for the
> batteries, but Brian normally uses the light by tucking it under his
> balaclava in cold nights, next to his skin.  That should get some body
heat
> into the light, and give better results than keeping it on the provided
neck
> lanyard or visor clip.
>
> As I said before, this is his primary flashlight.  He's pleased with it.
The
> 2025 batteries (two required) are expensive, but it's a really lightweight
> package.  Safety note, which someone on the list mentioned, and I will
> repeat:  Carry used batteries out and dispose of them properly (whatever
that
> is in your book).  Batteries can explode rather violently in a campfire.
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:30:23 +0800
> From: Charlie Thorpe <charliethorpe@att.net>
> To: PCT-L email list <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Coffee grounds
>
> Hello Elizabeth -
>
> You said:
>
> > ...although coffee grounds
> > IMO are the best for effective smell coverage - just ask the drug dogs.
>
> Good point!
>
> I hadn't thought about checking with the folks who handle the drug dogs.
> They should know better than anyone what really works to mask odors.
>
> We have used sewage treatment system odor mask in some long-term caving
> situations where all waste is individually carried out.  The odor mask is
> designed to work for entire sewage lagoons and is very concentrated
(bubble
> gum, tutti-frutti, wild cherry, etc.).  It is very difficult to use a
small
> enough amount to keep the odor mask from becoming almost as bad a problem
as
> the smell of the human waste.
>
> A small vial was dropped and broken a half mile or so into a cave one
time.
> The cave had pretty good air flow and we thought that it would flush out
> completely fairly quickly.  We were going back weekend after weekend and
it
> turned out to be months before new folks in our crew were saying "isn't
that
> tutti-frutti I smell...?"
>
> Trace No Leaves,
>
> - Charlie
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> From: "Ginny & Jim Owen" <spiritbear2k@hotmail.com>
> To: "email list" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:18:17 -0400
> Subject: [pct-l] detour north of Belden
>
> We tried to hike the PCT north of Belden after being told that the trail =
> was "difficult but doable".  Should have considered the source better; Ed=
>  was a much stronger mountaineer than I am ;-)  We had gone to the Post O=
> ffice to pick up our package and read a postcard from one of the hikers a=
> head of us saying that he had done the old trail, so we decided to go for=
>  it since we didn't want to backtrack - dumb move! Anyhow, we hit the was=
> hed out gully several miles out of town.  We looked down and saw very ste=
> ep sandy open terrain dropping 100 yards to the bottom of the ravine.  St=
> raight across there was no sign of the trail, so we knew we'd have to go =
> down then bushwhack back up. I thought about trying to slide down that lo=
> ose scree and decided to follow some footsteps that headed uphill instead=
> .  We had looked at the map, and thought we were farther west that we act=
> ually were.  According to where we thought we were, it would have been a =
> short steep 1/2 mile climb back up to the trail.  Reality was that it was=
>  2000' straight up, over rocky cliffs that broke under our hands and feet=
> , loose scree scrambling, and wading through chest deep manzanita (that w=
> as actually an improvement.)   It took us 3 1/2 hours, with a couple of e=
> pisodes of getting rimrocked and having to backtrack, before we reached t=
> he detour jeep road on top of the ridge.  We were scratched and utterly e=
> xhausted by the time we finally reached the next spring, only 14  miles o=
> ut of town. =20
> Bottom line - until the trail is fixed, if it ever is, take the detour.  =
> Or if you're really stubborn about following the official trail -- go dow=
> n, not up.
>
>
> Ginny and Jim
>
> ************************************************************
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> Message: 11
> Reply-To: <pete@asprey.net>
> From: "Pete Asprey" <pete@asprey.net>
> To: "'claudia Tuor'" <swisstuor@hotmail.com>,
>    "PCT \(E-mail\)" <pct-l@edina.hack.net>
> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:13:30 -0700
> Subject: [pct-l] RE: Yosemite
>
> REL Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:17:38 -0800
> To: , pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> From: "R.J.Calliger" <calliger@infolane.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Yosemite
> IT IS 99% certain that the Tioga pass road will not open
> before July 4 (it has not opened in May for many many many years!!!
> I sugggest they fly into Sacramento or San Francisco and take a commuter
> jet to Stockon and rent a car from there to go to Yosmetie.
> I live near there so they can call me 209.586.5555 for any help
> Rich
>
> Side Note:  America West flies into Stockton now, so you can go direct if
> this airline is at your location.  I, too, live nearby (10 minutes) and
may
> be able to help.
>
> Pete
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:41:02 +0800
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] human waste
> From: Charlie Thorpe <charliethorpe@att.net>
> To: PCT-L email list <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>
> Hello Ron -
>
> You said:
>
> > However, even the background literature takes the occasional flights of
> > fantasy. Consider the quote from the USFS article "Low-Impact
Recreational
> > Practices for Wilderness and Backcountry" by David Cole. (
> > http://www.wilderness.net/pubs/183.pdf )
>
> Nice web site...thanks for the pointer!
>
>
> > ------------------
> > Toilet paper, as with other non-organic waste, should either be burned
or
> > packed out. Burial is a less desirable alternative but accepted practice
in
> > many places.
> >
> > Important low-impact practices are as follows:
> > - Carry appropriate equipment (trowel)
> > - Pack out (or burn) non-organic litter (toilet paper)
> > - Use toilets if provided
> > - Dispose of human waste is a properly located cathole
> >
> > ------------------------
> >
> > Now maybe I was asleep in forest products class when the professor said
that
> > wood pulp was non-organic waste. If so you've got my deep apologies.
> >
> > Since toilet paper is 99.99999 percent wood pulp,  I'm not clear where
the
> > non-organic waste comes into play. Also consider that TP is engineered
> > specifically to disintegrate quickly...
>
> Hmmmm....obviously you have never used official US government TP <VBG>!
If
> I ever need fine sandpaper I go raid the local Post Office...
>
> Interesting point.  I wonder if Mr. Cole really meant to say "un-natural"
> instead of "non-organic"?  I wonder if his choice of language might have
> something to do with his paper predating the LNT program?
>
> Did you notice how many of the papers in their great library had David
> Cole's name on them?
>
> Thanks again for the pointer to the wilderness web site!
>
> Trace No Leaves,
>
> - Charlie
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 13
> From: "Richard" <leviesrdce@netzero.net>
> To: <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Cc: <swisstuor@HOTMAIL.COM>, <calliger@infolane.com>
> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:17:07 -0400
> Subject: [pct-l] Tioga Road Opening.
>
> Hello.
>
> I'm new to this group and I'm planning my JMT hike for this June.  I =
> have been browsing the net for the past month to find any =
> weather-related info relevant to my hike.  Since it will be a little bit =
> early in the season (June 6th  - June 23rd, 2001), I don't want to be =
> surprised by impassable snow fields on JMT's many passes.  From what I =
> found out is that most people venture into the Sierra's high country =
> after the Fourth of July. =20
>
> I'm not sure if this information can help you to decide when to come to =
> Yosemite but I have found this NPS website =
> (http://www.nps.gov/yose/roads.htm), which lists the Tioga Road opening =
> and closing dates from 1980 until 2000.  Again, I don't know how correct =
> is this information but assuming it is and given that we are having =
> light snow year so far, I would guess that Tioga Road will be open =
> sometime late May or early June.  That's probably to late for your May =
> trip.  You can certainly reach Yosemite Valley year-round via El Portal =
> Road (Hwy. 140).  Go check out http://www.yarts.com/ for the YARTS =
> transportation system.  The should be in service on all Yosemite routes =
> in early May.  At least that's what their website mentions.
>
> I'm personally planning to fly to S. F. and get by train to Merced from =
> where I can transfer onto a YARTS bus and get into Yosemite Valley on =
> June 5th.
>
> Hope it helps.
>
> Richard Nacin.
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:45:29 -0700
> From: John Mertes <jmertes@gte.net>
> To: claudia Tuor <swisstuor@hotmail.com>, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Weather
>
> Gee Swiss Miss,
>
>     Hope you have a good trip.
>
>     Helpful hint <G>. If you want to be popular just change a lot of
> your Swiss Francs into Swiss chocolate before you depart the airport in
> Switzerland; then pass them out to your new found friends (and you will
> find MANY!) until your chocolate runs out.
> (Just kidding, of course,)
>
>     However when I returned to the States from Zurich in 1986 I did
> convert all my left over Swiss Francs into Swiss Chocolate and I was
> popular back at work for a day or so until the chocolate ran out.
>
> Happy trails.
>
> John
>
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:29:58 +0800
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] a letter to C. Thorpe
> From: Charlie Thorpe <charliethorpe@att.net>
> To: PCT-L email list <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
>
> Hello CMountainDave -
>
> You said:
>
> > Charlie - I think the thing about your posts is that they come across as
if
> > we experienced backpackers don't know from s--- and therefore we must be
> > educated by you. In the obsessive world, there is always the need for
> > improvement. Therefore no matter what I come up with as a way to do
whatever,
> > the obsessive person will ALWAYS feel compelled to point out its flaws
and a
> > better way to do whatever. Some people are obsessive and some are not
and you
> > strike me as being obsessive. So just chalk it up to "You can lead a
horse to
> > water but you can't make him drink." I'm going to continue to burn my T.
P.
> > when conditions warrant. Sorry, but your posts have only served to
harden my
> > position especially being the situationalist that I am. Perhaps you
should
> > opt for the Seinfeld one-liners and web site references instead of long
> > "educational" posts that come across as condescending and patronizing.
IMHO
>
> My postings are never written to come across as condescending and
> patronizing.  I am sorry that you read them that way..."condescending and
> patronizing" really (really, Really, REALLY!) gets in the way of a good
> discussion.
>
> Unless I state otherwise, the practical examples that I use are just "best
> case" scenarios intended to show the current thinking on the kinds of
> practices that tend to have as little long-term impact as possible.  These
> practices are constantly being debated and the recommendations are always
> changing as the recreation ecologists and other scientists come up with
new
> approaches.
>
> The conceptual ideas that lead to the studies that lead to the new
> recommended approaches come from folks like us here on PCT-L.  People that
> care share ideas and tips about how to minimize their impacts.  Those
ideas
> that seem to work for different people in differing ecosystems find their
> way into the constantly ongoing studies.  If a study or two or three backs
> the concept up, it gets included in the recommended LNT practices.  Who
> knows, one of our ideas might make the LNT big time someday!
>
> Take a look at the other messages in the LNT series that has previously
been
> posted on PCT-L.  "LNT 9 - Shinola" and "LNT 10 - Poop Soup" are the only
> messages that have been posted lately - the rest are in the archives.  The
> first messages in the series give some of the background info and the
> remaining messages discuss other recommended "best case" practices.
>
> It has been interesting that toothpaste glop has gotten as much airplay as
> it has.  This particular "problem" is so far down on the "major concern"
> scale that it is commonly used as a joking way ("minty poots") to help
point
> out that even the most innocuous little minor damage can become a pretty
> good-sized mess if done over and over and over long enough in the same
> place.
>
> Human waste and campfire practices usually catch the most flack.  Some
folks
> (collectors, particularly) get a slow burn over "leave what you find".
Even
> had a big list-debate once over which side of the trail we backpackers
> should stand on when the hosses go by.
>
> All in all, the discussion is never meant to be exclusive.  Experts and
> novices alike need to chime in with both questions and solutions.  LNT
needs
> to represent everybody's thinking...it's going to take all of us working
> together to make enough of a difference so that there will be a beautiful
> experience left when my granddaughter (and yours) hikes her hike!
>
> Trace No Leaves,
>
> - Charlie
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 16
> From: CMountainDave@aol.com
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 01:13:19 EDT
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] a letter to C. Thorpe
> To: charliethorpe@att.net, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
>
> Charlie - I appreciate your concern for our wild areas. I don't mean to
> denigrate that concern. I probably am judging you inncorrectly. But you
must
> find a way to deal with our waste that doesn't involve packing it out
because
> IMHO it will never catch on. I still think that portable latrines are the
way
> to go in overused areas. In non crowded areas the conventional wisdom
seems
> to work fine
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 17
> From: "TrailTrash" <trailtrash@hotmail.com>
> To: "pct" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>,
<BackpackingLight@yahoogroups.com>,
>    "at-l" <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:56:55 -0600
> Subject: [pct-l] Fw: MSR Ultralite Tent tester call
>
>
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> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 11:50 PM
> Subject: MSR Ultralite Tent tester call
>
> THIS IS A CURTESY NOTIFICATION. ONLY APPLICANTS TO THE BACKPACKGEARTEST =
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> THIS IS A CALL FOR TESTER APPLICATIONS. MSR is providing us with 5 of =
> their ultralite tents. The selected testers have their choice of the =
> Zoid 1.0, Zoid 2.0 or the MicroSwift. In your application you must =
> clearly state you understand the report requirements and will comply. =
> Thanks.
> Jerry
>
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> Message: 18
> From: "TrailTrash" <trailtrash@hotmail.com>
> To: "pct" <pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net>,
<BackpackingLight@yahoogroups.com>,
>    "at-l" <at-l@mailman.backcountry.net>
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:43:58 -0600
> Subject: [pct-l] Re: MSR Ultralite Tent tester call
>
> The Walrus (MSR) tents may be seen at =
> http://www.walrusgear.com/tents/index.html . Thanks.
> Jerry
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>   Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 11:56 PM
>   Subject: Fw: MSR Ultralite Tent tester call
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----=20
>   From: GearTester=20
>   To: BackpackGearTest@yahoogroups.com=20
>   Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 11:50 PM
>   Subject: MSR Ultralite Tent tester call
>
>   THIS IS A CURTESY NOTIFICATION. ONLY APPLICANTS TO THE =
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>
>   THIS IS A CALL FOR TESTER APPLICATIONS. MSR is providing us with 5 of =
> their ultralite tents. The selected testers have their choice of the =
> Zoid 1.0, Zoid 2.0 or the MicroSwift. In your application you must =
> clearly state you understand the report requirements and will comply. =
> Thanks.
>   Jerry
>
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> Message: 19
> From: "claudia Tuor" <swisstuor@hotmail.com>
> To: jmertes@gte.net, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Weather
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:51:21
>
> Of course I`ll bring Swiss Chocolate. I also thought about taking Cheese
> with me, but with the Mouth and Clawdesease I am afraid that the customer
> would send me straight back home if they find out about the cheese. I
might
> be popular for about half a day, since I know how much hikers love to eat.
>
> Claudia
>
> Helpful hint <G>. If you want to be popular just change a lot of
> >your Swiss Francs into Swiss chocolate before you depart the airport in
> >Switzerland; then pass them out to your new found friends (and you will
> >find MANY!) until your chocolate runs out.
> >(Just kidding, of course,)
> >
> >     However when I returned to the States from Zurich in 1986 I did
> >convert all my left over Swiss Francs into Swiss Chocolate and I was
> >popular back at work for a day or so until the chocolate ran out.
> >
> >Happy trails.
> >
> >John
> >
>
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> Message: 20
> Reply-To: <margepr@sunvalley.net>
> From: "Marge Prothman" <margepr@sunvalley.net>
> To: "Pct-l" <pct-l@backcountry.net>,
>    "BackpackingLight" <BackpackingLight@egroups.com>
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:28:38 -0600
> Subject: [pct-l] Testing the pepsi can stove
>
> I have had good success with the burn time on my new little soda/can
stove,
> now what are your thoughts on turning this stove upside-down and burning a
> Esbit tablet on the bottom now the upside.  I did this and got a brown
patch
> on the  can. I used a small piece of hardware cloth
> so as not to have the Esbit tablet directly on it. However it is not that
> far off the can and I am concerned if the metal in the can will soften up
> and deteriorate?
> Marge (the old gal)
>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:02:10 -0800
> To: <margepr@sunvalley.net>, "Pct-l" <pct-l@backcountry.net>,
>    "BackpackingLight" <BackpackingLight@egroups.com>
> From: "R.J.Calliger" <calliger@infolane.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Testing the pepsi can stove
>
> Pepsi cans melt about 1100 Deg F-- coke cans at 1400 <g>.
>
> So go with coke!
>
> Actually be carefull as if it gets too hot the AL will start to
> evaporate before actually burning and you will be left with
> a very thin metal which will crumble upon touching.
>
> melting cans helped break up the boredom as several
> rangers have posted signs "Aluminum DOES NOT BURN"
> (there emphasis). AL oxide is good for the soil BTW. :-)
>
> Experimenting 'casue I have a busted ankle
> and can't hike,
>
> Rich
>
>
> At 6:28 AM -0800 4/16/01, Marge Prothman wrote:
> >I have had good success with the burn time on my new little soda/can
stove,
> >now what are your thoughts on turning this stove upside-down and burning
a
> >Esbit tablet on the bottom now the upside.  I did this and got a brown
patch
> >on the  can. I used a small piece of hardware cloth
> >so as not to have the Esbit tablet directly on it. However it is not that
> >far off the can and I am concerned if the metal in the can will soften up
> >and deteriorate?
> >Marge (the old gal)
> >
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> Message: 22
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Cc: calliger@infolane.com
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:39:00 -0700 (PDT)
> From: calliger@www.infolane.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Tioga road closing
>
> I stand corrected oln my comments regarding the July opening of
> Tioga Road.  I was recalling the fact that it was closed last year
> during a 4th of July snow storm- however it reopened again
> relatively quickly in a matter of a half day. However the
> caltrans road number 1-800-gas-road which one calls for road
> info said it was closed and gave no reopening date.
>
> Thanks for posting the Tioga road web data. It was illuminating
> to me :-)
>
> Rich
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> Message: 23
> To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
> Cc: calliger@infolane.com
> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:43:06 -0700 (PDT)
> From: calliger@www.infolane.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Shuttle from YNP
>
> No, sorry. I have seen greyhound buses there so I would call
> then to see if they could get you to Stockton.
>
> Rich
>
> At 8:28 PM -0800 4/15/01, The Dude wrote:
> >Rich - i have a similar problem.  I am hinking from Tahoe to Yosemite
this year.  getting to tahoe is easy.  fly to Reno and take the casino
shuttles.
> >
> >but do you know if there is any shuttle out of yosemite to any major city
with an airport?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Dude
> >
>
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