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Today's Topics:

 

   1. Re: Just who is leaving and why? (Slyatpct@aol.com )

   2. TNF Blue Kazoo (Jeff Jones)

   3. hiking safely in section A (Steve Courtway)

   4. Hikers leaving the list (Montedodge@aol.com )

   5. Hikers starting April 23rd? (robert lee iii cole)

   6. Re: Hiker registry and ADZPCTKO (Bighummel@aol.com )

   7. Re: Hikers leaving the list (Bighummel@aol.com )

   8. Re: Hikers leaving the list (Christine Kudija)

   9. mas stupido border guard? (CMountainDave@aol.com )

  10. border patrol (Steve Courtway)

  11. Just North of the Border (Robert E. Riess)

  12. New updates a Fallingwater. (Ronald Moak)

  13. Re: section A permits. (John Mertes)

  14. The Strange Aura of the ADZPCTKO (Bighummel@aol.com )

  15. TICK-FLY SPRAY (william jennings)

  16. TICK-FLY SPRAY (william jennings)

  17. Re: Re: Southern Section and Immigrant Worries (John 
Mertes)

  18. Re: Hiker registry and ADZPCTKO (Stephen Martin)

  19. archives (CMountainDave@aol.com )

  20. Campo to Mt. Laguna (jcryan@pocketmail.com )

  21. Lake Morena draining prompts campground closure (Brick 
Robbins)

 

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Message: 1

From: Slyatpct@aol.com 

Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:10:39 EST

Subject: Re: [pct-l] Just who is leaving and why?

To: pcnst@oakapple.net,  pct-l@backcountry.net 

 

In a message dated 3/28/2001 12:32:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, 

pcnst@oakapple.net  writes:

 

 

  Almost every PCT hiker has general opinions about

  illegal immigrants and illegal drug traffic, but not everybody 
wants

  to read about these topics on pct-l except as they specifically

  pertain to PCT hiking.

 

Of all the aspects of planning for the PCT, the illegal immigrants or drug 


trafficers were the least of my worries.  In the south, I was 
more concerned 

about heat and lack of water than anything else.  I had heard the 
warnings, 

but water dictated were I would be staying at the end of each 
day.  Hauser 

Creek had a particularly bad reputation for "illegal" activities, but I 


stayed anyway.  

 

Sure enough, like clockwork, the "illegals" passed through about 5 
am.  Since 

I had done most of the planning my hiking partners were a little upset with 


me I didn't tell them beforehand about the potential 
problems.  Of course 

there weren't any problems and I've never heard a hiker claim 
otherwise.

 

That somebody lost their gear to someone or something on the trail only 
shows 

me that they weren't paying attention.  What ever date you decide 
to hike 

through this area it probably wont matter, but it may be safer or you may 


feel safer to hike with others

 

Maybe someone should invent a human size bear cannister that locks from the 


inside!

 

Sly

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Message: 2

Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:14:23 -0800

From: Jeff Jones  jjonz@gte.net  

To: Jerry_McMillan@adc.com 

CC: pct-l-digest  pct-l@edina.hack.net  

Subject: [pct-l] TNF Blue Kazoo

 

Howdy Jerry,

I have a Blue Kazoo and have been happy with it - in fact, it's the 
bag

I almost always use anymore.  The cut is very tight - not much 
wiggle

room (I'm 5-8, 175 lbs).  I've slept out during a light snow 
storm above

Monache Meadows (around 10,000') in October and was comfortable (I had 
a

bivy bag also).  My dog likes it too - he chewed a hole in 
it.

      Jeff Jones

 

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Message: 3

From: "Steve Courtway"  scourtway@bpa-arch.com  

To:  PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net  

Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:37:44 -0800

Subject: [pct-l] hiking safely in section A

 

A post was made regarding the "chances" of running

into hostile illegals while hiking in Section A.

 

Because of this possibility, I have taken

the time to translate a few key phrases which will diffuse

most situations with foreigners of the latin descent which

you may run into.

 

While it is a humanitarian decision for each individual to=20

make when confronted with a plea for water, here's what I would say:

 

Phrase I:

 

I'm sorry, I have only a little food and water for myself.

 

Lo sento pero solo tengo poca comida y agua para mi.

 

 

A friendly greeting goes along way in the face of the unknown.

 

Phrase II:

 

Welcome to the USA and enjoy your hike.

 

Bienvenido a los Estados Unidos.  Disfruten su caminata.

 

 

Sometimes additional discussion will be needed:

 

Phrase III:

 

I am on a non-political journey, and do not want any trouble.

 

Este no es un viaje politico, y no quiero problemas.

 

 

 

That's all you need.

Steve Courtway

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Message: 4

From: Montedodge@aol.com 

Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:38:41 EST

To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net 

Subject: [pct-l] Hikers leaving the list

 

I just read this last thread about someone leaving the list. I hope Tom , 


Brick and Greg ALL leave the list and leave all comments and questions for 
me 

to handle.  ( Just Kidding!!) Here is my great opinion about 
Mexicians 

without proper paper work crossing our borders.( How's that for being 


politically correct!!)   99.9999999% will hide or dive in the 
brush when they 

see you coming. You have a better chance of being hit by a comet then by 


having trouble with Mexician Nationals. As far as do I think it's right 
that 

they sneak over here, I say no way ,but would probably try the same thing 
if 

I were in their shoes.. The main thing for a 2001 Thru-hiker to remember is 
" 

Alcohol Rules"!!!!! See you next month, Monte

 

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Message: 5

Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:30:01 -0800 (PST)

From: robert lee iii cole  robcole@u.washington.edu  

To:  pct-l@edina.hack.net  

Subject: [pct-l] Hikers starting April 23rd?

 

 

Myself and two other hikers are planning on starting our hike for 
diabetes

on April 23rd; our plane will arrive in San Diego on the 22nd, and we

should be leaving from Campo early on the 23rd.  In light of the 
whole

safety in numbers idea, we're hoping to connect with few other 
thru-hikers

(hopefully planning on a reasonably fast pace) to start the first few 
days

with.

 

If anyone is interested, please email me.

 

thanks,

Rob

www.hikefordiabetes.org 

 

------

Last week, I went to a furniture store to look for a decaffeinated

coffee table. They couldn't help me.

-Steven Wright

 

 

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Message: 6

From: Bighummel@aol.com 

Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:16:36 EST

Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiker registry and ADZPCTKO

To: troubadour@pcthiker.com,  
pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net 

 

The ADZPCTKO is now 30 days away and the organizers have no real idea of 
how 

many people are planning to attend and therefore, no good way to estimate 
the 

resources necessary to feed everyone.  Can someone on the list, 
who has the 

capability, put an ADZPCTKO registry together?  Or, Troubadour, 
is your 

database anywhere near complete enough to handle this?

 

Help,

 

Greg "Strider" Hummel

 

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Message: 7

From: Bighummel@aol.com 

Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:35:16 EST

Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hikers leaving the list

To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net 

 

I am deeply dismayed by the prospect of Tom leaving the list.  I 
am trying to 

understand why anyone would want to cause such a loss to the list and the 


ADZPCTKO.  

 

It should be noted that Tom Reynolds was THE instrumental force behind the 


original ADZPCTKO idea and has made massive contributions in time and 
funds, 

arguably beyond that of any other single entity, to ensure its prosperity 
and 

continuance.

 

His well thought out and well defended strategies are, in my opinion, part 
of 

the basic foundation of this list.  The free exchange of ideas, 
strategies, 

opinions and experience is what makes this list great.  I will 
fight to 

maintain that.

 

Sincerely,

 

Greg "Strider" Hummel

 

P.S. If Tom leaves the list, I will seriously promote the idea of changing 


the name of the ADZ to the "Annual Tom Reynolds PCT Kickoff" 
(ATRPCTKO).

 

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Message: 8

Reply-To: "Christine Kudija"  cmkudija@earthlink.net  

From: "Christine Kudija"  cmkudija@earthlink.net  

To:  Bighummel@aol.com  , 
 pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net  

Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hikers leaving the list

Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:46:07 -0800

 

Amen, Amen.  I hope Tom will reconsider.  I've 
respected and enjoyed his

posts   trail angel activity, not to mention his starting the tradition 
of

the ADZPCTKO.  I wish I had known him in '94 when my husband 
  I started

north from Campo!  We're southern calif locals (newhall) and as 
soon as I

get finished with this law school gig in Portland, I'm hoping to help 
out.

Strider, want to collect these posts to the list   send them on to 
Tom?

 

Christine

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From:  Bighummel@aol.com  

To:  pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net  

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 2:35 PM

Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hikers leaving the list

 

 

  I am deeply dismayed by the prospect of Tom leaving the 
list.  I am trying

to

  understand why anyone would want to cause such a loss to the list and 
the

  ADZPCTKO.

 

  It should be noted that Tom Reynolds was THE instrumental force behind 
the

  original ADZPCTKO idea and has made massive contributions in time 
and

funds,

  arguably beyond that of any other single entity, to ensure its 
prosperity

and

  continuance.

 

  His well thought out and well defended strategies are, in my opinion, 
part

of

  the basic foundation of this list.  The free exchange of 
ideas,

strategies,

  opinions and experience is what makes this list great.  I 
will fight to

  maintain that.

 

  Sincerely,

 

  Greg "Strider" Hummel

 

  P.S. If Tom leaves the list, I will seriously promote the idea of 
changing

  the name of the ADZ to the "Annual Tom Reynolds PCT Kickoff" 
(ATRPCTKO).

  _______________________________________________

  PCT-L mailing list

  PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net 

  http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l 

 

 

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Message: 9

From: CMountainDave@aol.com 

Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:44:47 EST

To: pct-l@backcountry.net 

Subject: [pct-l] mas stupido border guard?

 

What is with the border guard?? When I was in Campo in May of 99 they were 


swarming around like ants and buzzing around in helicopters like angry 
yellow 

jackets looking for illegals. Like just about every other PCT hiker, I 
stayed 

at Hauser Creek and sure enough, right about 5A.M. right on schedule, a 
group 

of  20 illegals passed through ( no problems -they weren't 
interested in me 

and I wasn't interested in them. ) You'd think the border patrol would 
catch 

on someday and realize that Hauser Creek on the PCT is a major way station 


for illegals. All they have to do is show up every morning at 5 A.M. 

Everybody else on the planet seems to know this. I get a feeling someone is 


getting bribed somewhere along the line. Not that I really care one way or 


the other - just an observation!

   Speaking of "illegal" theres a fire works stand on an Indian 
reservation 

near here thats called 

ill - eagle's fireworks - pretty clever doncha think?

 

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Message: 10

From: "Steve Courtway"  scourtway@bpa-arch.com  

To:  PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net  

Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:54:14 -0800

Subject: [pct-l] border patrol

 

 What is with the border guard??=20

 

Border Patrol agents like donuts and warm cars just like cops.

 

 

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Message: 11

From: "Robert E. Riess"  CDRRIESS@prodigy.net  

To:  pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net  

Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:28:17 -0800

Organization: Prodigy Internet

Subject: [pct-l] Just North of the Border

 

I have spent a little time on and near the PCT just north of the border, 
=

have met and befriended a few Border Patrol Agents, and learned a few 
=

things on my own. This is certainly not gospel, but it is the best =

information I have right now.  Things may change and often do. 
=20

 

There are several kinds of border crossers; those looking for work, =

those smuggling them, and those smuggling drugs. PCT hikers are very 
=

unlikely to encounter any drug smugglers.  They are much too 
cautious =

and much better planners than to encounter hikers.  Ditto the 
coyotes =

who smuggle the job seekers.  A hiker is much more likely to 
encounter =

the ordinary job-seeking border crosser whose primary goal is to get out 
=

of the border region without getting caught. They usually try to avoid 
=

hikers, but if they get lost, tired, hungry, thirsty or scared, they may 
=

risk an encounter with a hiker for food or water. Some encounters are 
=

accidental.  It gets dark out there. Sometimes you can't see more 
than a =

few yards up the trail. Sometimes the trail is the only way to get where 
=

you want to go.  If hikers encounter border crossers, there are a 
few =

things the Border Patrol Agents have told me that might help.  If 
you =

see them from a distance, and they see you, use your camera or other 
=

similar object to simulate using a cell phone. Simulate dialing and hold 
=

it up to your ear. Virtually all of them have seen a lot of American TV 
=

and they pretty much believe that all Americans have cell phones and 
=

they always work.  This technique has worked several times to my 
=

knowledge. If an encounter is made at close quarters, simply tell them 
=

you cannot help them, and leave.  The longer you stick around 
talking, =

the more likely you are to be threatened.=20

 

A little about the Border Patrol.  They apprehend 400,000 
undocumented =

people a year (CA to Texas), which is most of those who attempt to =

enter.  The BP know their territory.  They have planted 
motion =

detectors, vibration detectors, microphones and heat detectors. They use 
=

night vision glasses, helicopters and fixed wing aircraft. The BP have 
=

shown me around inside their ops headquarters, which is technologically 
=

very impressive. They take pride in what they do. The coyotes have for 
=

years told the undocumented crossers to move at night and rest during 
=

the day. Little do they know that the BP own the night!  A BP 
agent =

usually performs a variety of tasks.  One day, he may sit with 
=

binoculars and a radio, watching and reporting.  One day he may 
be a =

driver. One day he may be a walker.  Usually just after dawn, a 
van full =

of agents will drive the border road which was dragged the night before. 
=

When they see footprints headed north, an agent jumps out of the van and 
=

follows them. A BP on walking duty may walk well over 20 miles a 
day.  I =

have found the BP to be very friendly, very helpful, and very =

knowledgeable of what PCT hikers are doing.=20

 

Last summer, humanitarian groups started stashing water for use by the 
=

undocumented border crossers.  It was usually marked with a flag 
on a =

pretty tall flagstaff. Of course the BP knew all about this, but they 
=

did not stake out the water stashes, nor did they dismantle 
them.  The =

BP have a job to do, and they do it very very well. They have saved the 
=

lives of hundreds who were caught in the cold or the heat. They place 
=

paid commercials on TV in foreign countries trying to discourage border 
=

crossing, not because it is a violation of laws, but because it is =

dangerous.  I admire the men and women of the BP. Without them, 
southern =

California and the PCT would be very different.=20

 

I hope this is helpful to the hikers who have had questions about border 
=

safety.  Bottom line, you have more important problems to solve 
than =

safety from the actions of other people. Wishing everyone a good hike, 
=

and especially a pleasant beginning. Hikers should not be discouraged by 
=

the many unknowns at and around the southern trailhead.  Be 
seeing many =

of you at ADZPCTKO. Hike on!!  Bob Riess

 

 

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Message: 12

From: Ronald Moak  ronm@fallingwater.com  

To: pct-l@backcountry.net 

Subject:  [pct-l] New updates a Fallingwater.

Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:07:48 -0800

 

Over the last few months many people have ask when was I planning on 
doing

something to my website. After www.fallingwater.com/pct2000  has 
been in

sever state of neglect for quite a while.

 

Well in the past couple of weeks, I've been doing a complete makeover. 
In

the process, I've added a number of new articles, reorganized the 
existing

newsletters into stories and added pictures, and rewritten the gear 
section

to reflect what I did carry and not what I planned to.

 

I've still got lots of work left to do. There are many pages of 
journals

that need to be rewritten and photos that need processing. Over the 
coming

months I hope to have the journals completely up to date.

 

Hopefully, you'll find an item or two of interest.

 

Ron

------------------------------------

Ron "Fallingwater" Moak

http://www.fallingwater.com/ 

 

 

 

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Message: 13

Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:45:47 -0800

From: John Mertes  jmertes@gte.net  

To: CMountainDave@aol.com,  PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net 

Subject: Re: [pct-l] section A permits.

 

CMountainDave@aol.com  
wrote:

 

  I like the Adventure Pass notices that were posted on many of the 
PCT

  trailheads. Since I wasn't using a car I felt I was getting a freebie 
by

  being able to hike the trail without paying. I really shouldn't be 
saying

  this because SOMEBODY out there will try and make me feel guilty about 
not

  paying my fair share. But don't worry. Some bean counting 
administrator out

  there is no doubt plotting some sort of revenge. How about hidden 
cameras and

  a "Ten most wanted PCT scofflaws" list posted at all the Post Offices 
along

  the way? ("Sorry, sir, but we can't give you your package until you 
cough up

  your user fees and penalties")

 

Careful Mountain Dave. You'll give the federal bureaucrats a new idea on 
how to

make money -- they will attach a "user fee" to each package sent for a 
hiker to

pickup. First at the post offices, then onto UPS and private parties. After 
that

they will attach a surcharge to all food purchased by non-locals at stores 
near

the trail unless they can show the store clerk their RV outside. About the 
only

way to avoid all these fees will be for you to bring ALL your food from 
home and

start with a 200+ pound pack which will gradually get lighter at you get 
closer

to Canada. Cheers.  

 

John

 

 

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Message: 14

From: Bighummel@aol.com 

Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:21:14 EST

To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net 

Subject: [pct-l] The Strange Aura of the ADZPCTKO

 

The last two years I have driven down late after work and settling my 
family 

to attend the ADZ.  Both times I have driven into Lake Morena 
campground and 

found the reserved campsites and parked my car.  Wearily I emerge 
from the 

long drive down from Los Angeles and find a fair crowd of strange looking 


people.  I find myself feeling out of place not recognizing any 
of the faces, 

having doubts that I have really found the right place, the right people 
that 

I am seeking.  

 

Both times I have been joyfully greeted by one then many and welcomed into 


the conversations around the campfire.  Quickly I recognize faces 
and names 

and then I come to the realization that here are friends. Here are people I 


know, some very, very well, some from just their persona on the list, some 


from a second hand reference, some are well known and highly regarded trail 


angels whose reputations have made them larger than life.  Here 
is Tom and 

Bob and Charlie and Jeff and Monte and Brick and Ron and Marge and Margo 
and 

JoAnn and . . . . .

 

Soon, as my bones warm by the campfire, so too does my comfort with these 


people, these fellow caretakers and caregivers and wonder discoverers of 
the 

PCT, these that I find so many values and interests in common with my 
own.

 

Come, join our conversation around the fire, our gathering around the new 


tent, the new tarp, the new stove, and see how many faces and names you 


recognize and feel the warmth, the friendships, the 
comraderie.  We welcome 

you, we welcome all that come with the simple desire to gather, to share, 
to 

experience. 

 

This year when I drive down from LA I'll have no doubt about the people, 
the 

recognition, the acceptance.  So few of my peers understand this 
draw, 

understand the aura, understand the trail.  You do.

 

See ya' and save a small place around the fire for me!

 

Greg "Strider" Hummel 

 

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Message: 15

From: "william jennings"  mrjenn@hotmail.com  

To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net 

Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 05:40:50 -0000

Subject: [pct-l] TICK-FLY SPRAY

 

 

1990-North Fork Ranger Station-the well tested negative- Sparkletts was 
served.  They offered this homemade recipe, never tried it, wondered 
if anyone has had any success with it.

2 cups white vinegar

 

1 cup Avon Skin-So-Soft bath oil

 

1 cup water

 

1 tablespoon eucalyptus oil (available at drugstore and health food 
stores).

 

This spray doesn't contain aerosols to pollute the environment, nor 
chemicals to contaminate the ground.  Animals and people don't mind 
getting sprayed, and it smells good.  It is very effective, people 
have been using it exclusively for 4 seasons and are most anxious to share this 
recipe.

I'm also wondering, since Avon makes Skin-So-Soft Bug Guard with SPF 30, 
could this be substituted for the bath oil component with added 
efficacy?......will I attract Jumping Koalas?...

Myself, I'm shaving

 

 

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Message: 16

From: "william jennings"  mrjenn@hotmail.com  

To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net 

Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 05:49:26 -0000

Subject: [pct-l] TICK-FLY SPRAY

 

 

1990-North Fork Ranger Station-the well tested negative- Sparkletts was 
served.  They offered this homemade recipe, never tried it, wondered 
if anyone has had any success with it.

2 cups white vinegar

 

1 cup Avon Skin-So-Soft bath oil

 

1 cup water

 

1 tablespoon eucalyptus oil (available at drugstore and health food 
stores).

 

This spray doesn't contain aerosols to pollute the environment, nor 
chemicals to contaminate the ground.  Animals and people don't mind 
getting sprayed, and it smells good.  It is very effective, people 
have been using it exclusively for 4 seasons and are most anxious to share this 
recipe.

I'm also wondering, since Avon makes Skin-So-Soft Bug Guard with SPF 30, 
could this be substituted for the bath oil component with added 
efficacy?......will I attract Jumping Koalas?...

Myself, I'm shaving

 

 

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Message: 17

Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:06:43 -0800

From: John Mertes  jmertes@gte.net  

To: Ronald Moak  ronm@fallingwater.com  

CC: Saskia , pct-l@backcountry.net 

Subject: Re: [pct-l] Re: Southern Section and Immigrant Worries

 

Ron,

 

    You wrote:

 

  John, quite frankly your comments strike me as being either damn naive 
or

  racist. Since I don't know you, I'll just assume you're just 
naive.

 

Quite frankly, I am neither. I am a realist. I did not malign or 
vilify

anyone on this list. So why do you do so to me? Does logic and reason

fail you?

 

Your arguments defending the illegal aliens ("undocumented 
immigrants"

is the PC term) have been said many times before. There is a little

truth in some of them; but not enough to make them valid. I think 
that

this list is not the place for a prolonged debate over the issues 
around

illegal aliens entering  the US.

 

John

 

 

 

 

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Message: 18

Reply-To: troubadour@pcthiker.com 

From: "Stephen Martin"  stphnmartin@hotmail.com  

To: Bighummel@aol.com,  troubadour@pcthiker.com,  pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net 

Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiker registry and ADZPCTKO

Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:27:29 -0800

 

Strider,

 

People can add themselves to the hiker registry and choose whether or not 


they are going to attend the event. There a link there as well that lists 


all those who plan to attend.

 

I'm working on an improvement so that there will be a simpler list of 


attendees for the KO. Let me know of any more improvements you like and 
I'll 

do my best.

 

-T

 

ADZPCTKO registry together?  Or, Troubadour, is your

 database anywhere near complete enough to handle this?

 

 Help,

 

 Greg "Strider" Hummel

 

 

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Message: 19

From: CMountainDave@aol.com 

Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:41:35 EST

To: pct-l@backcountry.net 

Subject: [pct-l] archives

 

Brick - I'm slowly writing (or attempting to write) a book. I think this 
chat 

lists posts might make for an interesting chapter or two. Are posts in the 


archives available for such a purpose? I promise to change names to protect 


the innocent (or not so innocent.) If so, could you once again give info to 


access the archives?

Additionally, if anyone out there has info on how to approach publishers to 


get a better chance having one's book accepted for publishing or know of 
any 

book reviewers please advise off list. Thanks!

 

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Message: 20

Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:20:30 -0800

From:  jcryan@pocketmail.com  

To:  pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net  

Subject: [pct-l] Campo to Mt. Laguna

 

Hi everyone,

Just completed this section and thought I'd send a few thoughts. Weather 
has been sunny in the 70s which still requires a bit of adjustment for this 
Northwesterner. Between Campo and Lake Morena, water flowing in creeklet just 
after San Diego and Arizona Eastern Railroad tracks and Hauser Creek also 
chortling. Only 2 dollars for a backpacker's site at the Lake Morena Campground. 
Friendly folks at the malt shop. 

Boulder Oaks campground closed but faucets flowing with various colors of 
water; I went with the clear kind. Plentyof water in Long Canyon.

  Interested in the heated discussions about immigrants. I was 
concerned about this prior to leaving but got to thinking. I was buzzed twice by 
low-flying helicopters in Hauser Canyon and met a crew of 5 b.p. trucks at the 
creek. I even talked with a b.p. guy who said most immigrants don't use the 
trail because they think it's bugged and he said it very well might be! Do they 
have micro cameras hidden in the prickly pears? If so, I bet they'd have more 
footage of PCT hikers on nature call than fleeing immigrants. Basically, I feel 
this issue is way blown out of proportion and if anyone -hiker, refugee, 
salesman etc- wants some water or food from me out there, I'd be happy to 
share.

   Going at a snail's pace so I hope to see some of you when you 
pass me after the kick-off!

 

Sassafras 

 

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Message: 21

Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:40:49 -0800

To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net 

From: Brick Robbins  brick@fastpack.com  

Subject: [pct-l] Lake Morena draining prompts campground closure

 

____________________________________

 

But not the one ADZPCTKOP will be using

 

"Lake draining prompts campground closure - Animals, economy top local 


concerns"

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/thu/metro/news_7m29morena.html 

 

The good news:

 

".... the park's south shore will remain open. It 
has  recreational-vehicle 

hookups, a boat launch, restrooms, youth-group cabins and 
a  ranger station."

 

The Bad News:

"LAKE MORENA VILLAGE -- For the first time in more than a decade, the 


county  Parks Department has shut down a major portion of Lake 
Morena's 

campground.  The lake's level has dropped too low, exposing mud 
flats and 

an unstable  shoreline.

 

  The north shore of the East County lake, which offers isolated 
camping 

spots and fishing holes, will be closed indefinitely, said Randy Ford, 


district park manager for the county."

--

Brick Robbins

 

Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far they can 
go

- T.S. Eliot

 

 

 

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