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- Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:52:24 -0800
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Just who is leaving and why? (Slyatpct@aol.com )
2. TNF Blue Kazoo (Jeff Jones)
3. hiking safely in section A (Steve Courtway)
4. Hikers leaving the list (Montedodge@aol.com )
5. Hikers starting April 23rd? (robert lee iii cole)
6. Re: Hiker registry and ADZPCTKO (Bighummel@aol.com )
7. Re: Hikers leaving the list (Bighummel@aol.com )
8. Re: Hikers leaving the list (Christine Kudija)
9. mas stupido border guard? (CMountainDave@aol.com )
10. border patrol (Steve Courtway)
11. Just North of the Border (Robert E. Riess)
12. New updates a Fallingwater. (Ronald Moak)
13. Re: section A permits. (John Mertes)
14. The Strange Aura of the ADZPCTKO (Bighummel@aol.com )
15. TICK-FLY SPRAY (william jennings)
16. TICK-FLY SPRAY (william jennings)
17. Re: Re: Southern Section and Immigrant Worries (John
Mertes)
18. Re: Hiker registry and ADZPCTKO (Stephen Martin)
19. archives (CMountainDave@aol.com )
20. Campo to Mt. Laguna (jcryan@pocketmail.com )
21. Lake Morena draining prompts campground closure (Brick
Robbins)
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Message: 1
From: Slyatpct@aol.com
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:10:39 EST
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Just who is leaving and why?
To: pcnst@oakapple.net, pct-l@backcountry.net
In a message dated 3/28/2001 12:32:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pcnst@oakapple.net writes:
Almost every PCT hiker has general opinions about
illegal immigrants and illegal drug traffic, but not everybody
wants
to read about these topics on pct-l except as they specifically
pertain to PCT hiking.
Of all the aspects of planning for the PCT, the illegal immigrants or drug
trafficers were the least of my worries. In the south, I was
more concerned
about heat and lack of water than anything else. I had heard the
warnings,
but water dictated were I would be staying at the end of each
day. Hauser
Creek had a particularly bad reputation for "illegal" activities, but I
stayed anyway.
Sure enough, like clockwork, the "illegals" passed through about 5
am. Since
I had done most of the planning my hiking partners were a little upset with
me I didn't tell them beforehand about the potential
problems. Of course
there weren't any problems and I've never heard a hiker claim
otherwise.
That somebody lost their gear to someone or something on the trail only
shows
me that they weren't paying attention. What ever date you decide
to hike
through this area it probably wont matter, but it may be safer or you may
feel safer to hike with others
Maybe someone should invent a human size bear cannister that locks from the
inside!
Sly
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:14:23 -0800
From: Jeff Jones jjonz@gte.net
To: Jerry_McMillan@adc.com
CC: pct-l-digest pct-l@edina.hack.net
Subject: [pct-l] TNF Blue Kazoo
Howdy Jerry,
I have a Blue Kazoo and have been happy with it - in fact, it's the
bag
I almost always use anymore. The cut is very tight - not much
wiggle
room (I'm 5-8, 175 lbs). I've slept out during a light snow
storm above
Monache Meadows (around 10,000') in October and was comfortable (I had
a
bivy bag also). My dog likes it too - he chewed a hole in
it.
Jeff Jones
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Message: 3
From: "Steve Courtway" scourtway@bpa-arch.com
To: PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:37:44 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] hiking safely in section A
A post was made regarding the "chances" of running
into hostile illegals while hiking in Section A.
Because of this possibility, I have taken
the time to translate a few key phrases which will diffuse
most situations with foreigners of the latin descent which
you may run into.
While it is a humanitarian decision for each individual to=20
make when confronted with a plea for water, here's what I would say:
Phrase I:
I'm sorry, I have only a little food and water for myself.
Lo sento pero solo tengo poca comida y agua para mi.
A friendly greeting goes along way in the face of the unknown.
Phrase II:
Welcome to the USA and enjoy your hike.
Bienvenido a los Estados Unidos. Disfruten su caminata.
Sometimes additional discussion will be needed:
Phrase III:
I am on a non-political journey, and do not want any trouble.
Este no es un viaje politico, y no quiero problemas.
That's all you need.
Steve Courtway
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Message: 4
From: Montedodge@aol.com
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:38:41 EST
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Hikers leaving the list
I just read this last thread about someone leaving the list. I hope Tom ,
Brick and Greg ALL leave the list and leave all comments and questions for
me
to handle. ( Just Kidding!!) Here is my great opinion about
Mexicians
without proper paper work crossing our borders.( How's that for being
politically correct!!) 99.9999999% will hide or dive in the
brush when they
see you coming. You have a better chance of being hit by a comet then by
having trouble with Mexician Nationals. As far as do I think it's right
that
they sneak over here, I say no way ,but would probably try the same thing
if
I were in their shoes.. The main thing for a 2001 Thru-hiker to remember is
"
Alcohol Rules"!!!!! See you next month, Monte
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:30:01 -0800 (PST)
From: robert lee iii cole robcole@u.washington.edu
To: pct-l@edina.hack.net
Subject: [pct-l] Hikers starting April 23rd?
Myself and two other hikers are planning on starting our hike for
diabetes
on April 23rd; our plane will arrive in San Diego on the 22nd, and we
should be leaving from Campo early on the 23rd. In light of the
whole
safety in numbers idea, we're hoping to connect with few other
thru-hikers
(hopefully planning on a reasonably fast pace) to start the first few
days
with.
If anyone is interested, please email me.
thanks,
Rob
www.hikefordiabetes.org
------
Last week, I went to a furniture store to look for a decaffeinated
coffee table. They couldn't help me.
-Steven Wright
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Message: 6
From: Bighummel@aol.com
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:16:36 EST
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiker registry and ADZPCTKO
To: troubadour@pcthiker.com,
pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
The ADZPCTKO is now 30 days away and the organizers have no real idea of
how
many people are planning to attend and therefore, no good way to estimate
the
resources necessary to feed everyone. Can someone on the list,
who has the
capability, put an ADZPCTKO registry together? Or, Troubadour,
is your
database anywhere near complete enough to handle this?
Help,
Greg "Strider" Hummel
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Message: 7
From: Bighummel@aol.com
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:35:16 EST
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hikers leaving the list
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
I am deeply dismayed by the prospect of Tom leaving the list. I
am trying to
understand why anyone would want to cause such a loss to the list and the
ADZPCTKO.
It should be noted that Tom Reynolds was THE instrumental force behind the
original ADZPCTKO idea and has made massive contributions in time and
funds,
arguably beyond that of any other single entity, to ensure its prosperity
and
continuance.
His well thought out and well defended strategies are, in my opinion, part
of
the basic foundation of this list. The free exchange of ideas,
strategies,
opinions and experience is what makes this list great. I will
fight to
maintain that.
Sincerely,
Greg "Strider" Hummel
P.S. If Tom leaves the list, I will seriously promote the idea of changing
the name of the ADZ to the "Annual Tom Reynolds PCT Kickoff"
(ATRPCTKO).
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Message: 8
Reply-To: "Christine Kudija" cmkudija@earthlink.net
From: "Christine Kudija" cmkudija@earthlink.net
To: Bighummel@aol.com ,
pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hikers leaving the list
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:46:07 -0800
Amen, Amen. I hope Tom will reconsider. I've
respected and enjoyed his
posts trail angel activity, not to mention his starting the tradition
of
the ADZPCTKO. I wish I had known him in '94 when my husband
I started
north from Campo! We're southern calif locals (newhall) and as
soon as I
get finished with this law school gig in Portland, I'm hoping to help
out.
Strider, want to collect these posts to the list send them on to
Tom?
Christine
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From: Bighummel@aol.com
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hikers leaving the list
I am deeply dismayed by the prospect of Tom leaving the
list. I am trying
to
understand why anyone would want to cause such a loss to the list and
the
ADZPCTKO.
It should be noted that Tom Reynolds was THE instrumental force behind
the
original ADZPCTKO idea and has made massive contributions in time
and
funds,
arguably beyond that of any other single entity, to ensure its
prosperity
and
continuance.
His well thought out and well defended strategies are, in my opinion,
part
of
the basic foundation of this list. The free exchange of
ideas,
strategies,
opinions and experience is what makes this list great. I
will fight to
maintain that.
Sincerely,
Greg "Strider" Hummel
P.S. If Tom leaves the list, I will seriously promote the idea of
changing
the name of the ADZ to the "Annual Tom Reynolds PCT Kickoff"
(ATRPCTKO).
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PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
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Message: 9
From: CMountainDave@aol.com
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:44:47 EST
To: pct-l@backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] mas stupido border guard?
What is with the border guard?? When I was in Campo in May of 99 they were
swarming around like ants and buzzing around in helicopters like angry
yellow
jackets looking for illegals. Like just about every other PCT hiker, I
stayed
at Hauser Creek and sure enough, right about 5A.M. right on schedule, a
group
of 20 illegals passed through ( no problems -they weren't
interested in me
and I wasn't interested in them. ) You'd think the border patrol would
catch
on someday and realize that Hauser Creek on the PCT is a major way station
for illegals. All they have to do is show up every morning at 5 A.M.
Everybody else on the planet seems to know this. I get a feeling someone is
getting bribed somewhere along the line. Not that I really care one way or
the other - just an observation!
Speaking of "illegal" theres a fire works stand on an Indian
reservation
near here thats called
ill - eagle's fireworks - pretty clever doncha think?
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Message: 10
From: "Steve Courtway" scourtway@bpa-arch.com
To: PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:54:14 -0800
Subject: [pct-l] border patrol
What is with the border guard??=20
Border Patrol agents like donuts and warm cars just like cops.
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Message: 11
From: "Robert E. Riess" CDRRIESS@prodigy.net
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:28:17 -0800
Organization: Prodigy Internet
Subject: [pct-l] Just North of the Border
I have spent a little time on and near the PCT just north of the border,
=
have met and befriended a few Border Patrol Agents, and learned a few
=
things on my own. This is certainly not gospel, but it is the best =
information I have right now. Things may change and often do.
=20
There are several kinds of border crossers; those looking for work, =
those smuggling them, and those smuggling drugs. PCT hikers are very
=
unlikely to encounter any drug smugglers. They are much too
cautious =
and much better planners than to encounter hikers. Ditto the
coyotes =
who smuggle the job seekers. A hiker is much more likely to
encounter =
the ordinary job-seeking border crosser whose primary goal is to get out
=
of the border region without getting caught. They usually try to avoid
=
hikers, but if they get lost, tired, hungry, thirsty or scared, they may
=
risk an encounter with a hiker for food or water. Some encounters are
=
accidental. It gets dark out there. Sometimes you can't see more
than a =
few yards up the trail. Sometimes the trail is the only way to get where
=
you want to go. If hikers encounter border crossers, there are a
few =
things the Border Patrol Agents have told me that might help. If
you =
see them from a distance, and they see you, use your camera or other
=
similar object to simulate using a cell phone. Simulate dialing and hold
=
it up to your ear. Virtually all of them have seen a lot of American TV
=
and they pretty much believe that all Americans have cell phones and
=
they always work. This technique has worked several times to my
=
knowledge. If an encounter is made at close quarters, simply tell them
=
you cannot help them, and leave. The longer you stick around
talking, =
the more likely you are to be threatened.=20
A little about the Border Patrol. They apprehend 400,000
undocumented =
people a year (CA to Texas), which is most of those who attempt to =
enter. The BP know their territory. They have planted
motion =
detectors, vibration detectors, microphones and heat detectors. They use
=
night vision glasses, helicopters and fixed wing aircraft. The BP have
=
shown me around inside their ops headquarters, which is technologically
=
very impressive. They take pride in what they do. The coyotes have for
=
years told the undocumented crossers to move at night and rest during
=
the day. Little do they know that the BP own the night! A BP
agent =
usually performs a variety of tasks. One day, he may sit with
=
binoculars and a radio, watching and reporting. One day he may
be a =
driver. One day he may be a walker. Usually just after dawn, a
van full =
of agents will drive the border road which was dragged the night before.
=
When they see footprints headed north, an agent jumps out of the van and
=
follows them. A BP on walking duty may walk well over 20 miles a
day. I =
have found the BP to be very friendly, very helpful, and very =
knowledgeable of what PCT hikers are doing.=20
Last summer, humanitarian groups started stashing water for use by the
=
undocumented border crossers. It was usually marked with a flag
on a =
pretty tall flagstaff. Of course the BP knew all about this, but they
=
did not stake out the water stashes, nor did they dismantle
them. The =
BP have a job to do, and they do it very very well. They have saved the
=
lives of hundreds who were caught in the cold or the heat. They place
=
paid commercials on TV in foreign countries trying to discourage border
=
crossing, not because it is a violation of laws, but because it is =
dangerous. I admire the men and women of the BP. Without them,
southern =
California and the PCT would be very different.=20
I hope this is helpful to the hikers who have had questions about border
=
safety. Bottom line, you have more important problems to solve
than =
safety from the actions of other people. Wishing everyone a good hike,
=
and especially a pleasant beginning. Hikers should not be discouraged by
=
the many unknowns at and around the southern trailhead. Be
seeing many =
of you at ADZPCTKO. Hike on!! Bob Riess
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Message: 12
From: Ronald Moak ronm@fallingwater.com
To: pct-l@backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] New updates a Fallingwater.
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:07:48 -0800
Over the last few months many people have ask when was I planning on
doing
something to my website. After www.fallingwater.com/pct2000 has
been in
sever state of neglect for quite a while.
Well in the past couple of weeks, I've been doing a complete makeover.
In
the process, I've added a number of new articles, reorganized the
existing
newsletters into stories and added pictures, and rewritten the gear
section
to reflect what I did carry and not what I planned to.
I've still got lots of work left to do. There are many pages of
journals
that need to be rewritten and photos that need processing. Over the
coming
months I hope to have the journals completely up to date.
Hopefully, you'll find an item or two of interest.
Ron
------------------------------------
Ron "Fallingwater" Moak
http://www.fallingwater.com/
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:45:47 -0800
From: John Mertes jmertes@gte.net
To: CMountainDave@aol.com, PCT-L@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] section A permits.
CMountainDave@aol.com
wrote:
I like the Adventure Pass notices that were posted on many of the
PCT
trailheads. Since I wasn't using a car I felt I was getting a freebie
by
being able to hike the trail without paying. I really shouldn't be
saying
this because SOMEBODY out there will try and make me feel guilty about
not
paying my fair share. But don't worry. Some bean counting
administrator out
there is no doubt plotting some sort of revenge. How about hidden
cameras and
a "Ten most wanted PCT scofflaws" list posted at all the Post Offices
along
the way? ("Sorry, sir, but we can't give you your package until you
cough up
your user fees and penalties")
Careful Mountain Dave. You'll give the federal bureaucrats a new idea on
how to
make money -- they will attach a "user fee" to each package sent for a
hiker to
pickup. First at the post offices, then onto UPS and private parties. After
that
they will attach a surcharge to all food purchased by non-locals at stores
near
the trail unless they can show the store clerk their RV outside. About the
only
way to avoid all these fees will be for you to bring ALL your food from
home and
start with a 200+ pound pack which will gradually get lighter at you get
closer
to Canada. Cheers.
John
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Message: 14
From: Bighummel@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:21:14 EST
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] The Strange Aura of the ADZPCTKO
The last two years I have driven down late after work and settling my
family
to attend the ADZ. Both times I have driven into Lake Morena
campground and
found the reserved campsites and parked my car. Wearily I emerge
from the
long drive down from Los Angeles and find a fair crowd of strange looking
people. I find myself feeling out of place not recognizing any
of the faces,
having doubts that I have really found the right place, the right people
that
I am seeking.
Both times I have been joyfully greeted by one then many and welcomed into
the conversations around the campfire. Quickly I recognize faces
and names
and then I come to the realization that here are friends. Here are people I
know, some very, very well, some from just their persona on the list, some
from a second hand reference, some are well known and highly regarded trail
angels whose reputations have made them larger than life. Here
is Tom and
Bob and Charlie and Jeff and Monte and Brick and Ron and Marge and Margo
and
JoAnn and . . . . .
Soon, as my bones warm by the campfire, so too does my comfort with these
people, these fellow caretakers and caregivers and wonder discoverers of
the
PCT, these that I find so many values and interests in common with my
own.
Come, join our conversation around the fire, our gathering around the new
tent, the new tarp, the new stove, and see how many faces and names you
recognize and feel the warmth, the friendships, the
comraderie. We welcome
you, we welcome all that come with the simple desire to gather, to share,
to
experience.
This year when I drive down from LA I'll have no doubt about the people,
the
recognition, the acceptance. So few of my peers understand this
draw,
understand the aura, understand the trail. You do.
See ya' and save a small place around the fire for me!
Greg "Strider" Hummel
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Message: 15
From: "william jennings" mrjenn@hotmail.com
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 05:40:50 -0000
Subject: [pct-l] TICK-FLY SPRAY
1990-North Fork Ranger Station-the well tested negative- Sparkletts was
served. They offered this homemade recipe, never tried it, wondered
if anyone has had any success with it.
2 cups white vinegar
1 cup Avon Skin-So-Soft bath oil
1 cup water
1 tablespoon eucalyptus oil (available at drugstore and health food
stores).
This spray doesn't contain aerosols to pollute the environment, nor
chemicals to contaminate the ground. Animals and people don't mind
getting sprayed, and it smells good. It is very effective, people
have been using it exclusively for 4 seasons and are most anxious to share this
recipe.
I'm also wondering, since Avon makes Skin-So-Soft Bug Guard with SPF 30,
could this be substituted for the bath oil component with added
efficacy?......will I attract Jumping Koalas?...
Myself, I'm shaving
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Message: 16
From: "william jennings" mrjenn@hotmail.com
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 05:49:26 -0000
Subject: [pct-l] TICK-FLY SPRAY
1990-North Fork Ranger Station-the well tested negative- Sparkletts was
served. They offered this homemade recipe, never tried it, wondered
if anyone has had any success with it.
2 cups white vinegar
1 cup Avon Skin-So-Soft bath oil
1 cup water
1 tablespoon eucalyptus oil (available at drugstore and health food
stores).
This spray doesn't contain aerosols to pollute the environment, nor
chemicals to contaminate the ground. Animals and people don't mind
getting sprayed, and it smells good. It is very effective, people
have been using it exclusively for 4 seasons and are most anxious to share this
recipe.
I'm also wondering, since Avon makes Skin-So-Soft Bug Guard with SPF 30,
could this be substituted for the bath oil component with added
efficacy?......will I attract Jumping Koalas?...
Myself, I'm shaving
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:06:43 -0800
From: John Mertes jmertes@gte.net
To: Ronald Moak ronm@fallingwater.com
CC: Saskia , pct-l@backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Re: Southern Section and Immigrant Worries
Ron,
You wrote:
John, quite frankly your comments strike me as being either damn naive
or
racist. Since I don't know you, I'll just assume you're just
naive.
Quite frankly, I am neither. I am a realist. I did not malign or
vilify
anyone on this list. So why do you do so to me? Does logic and reason
fail you?
Your arguments defending the illegal aliens ("undocumented
immigrants"
is the PC term) have been said many times before. There is a little
truth in some of them; but not enough to make them valid. I think
that
this list is not the place for a prolonged debate over the issues
around
illegal aliens entering the US.
John
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Message: 18
Reply-To: troubadour@pcthiker.com
From: "Stephen Martin" stphnmartin@hotmail.com
To: Bighummel@aol.com, troubadour@pcthiker.com, pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiker registry and ADZPCTKO
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:27:29 -0800
Strider,
People can add themselves to the hiker registry and choose whether or not
they are going to attend the event. There a link there as well that lists
all those who plan to attend.
I'm working on an improvement so that there will be a simpler list of
attendees for the KO. Let me know of any more improvements you like and
I'll
do my best.
-T
ADZPCTKO registry together? Or, Troubadour, is your
database anywhere near complete enough to handle this?
Help,
Greg "Strider" Hummel
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Message: 19
From: CMountainDave@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:41:35 EST
To: pct-l@backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] archives
Brick - I'm slowly writing (or attempting to write) a book. I think this
chat
lists posts might make for an interesting chapter or two. Are posts in the
archives available for such a purpose? I promise to change names to protect
the innocent (or not so innocent.) If so, could you once again give info to
access the archives?
Additionally, if anyone out there has info on how to approach publishers to
get a better chance having one's book accepted for publishing or know of
any
book reviewers please advise off list. Thanks!
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:20:30 -0800
From: jcryan@pocketmail.com
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Campo to Mt. Laguna
Hi everyone,
Just completed this section and thought I'd send a few thoughts. Weather
has been sunny in the 70s which still requires a bit of adjustment for this
Northwesterner. Between Campo and Lake Morena, water flowing in creeklet just
after San Diego and Arizona Eastern Railroad tracks and Hauser Creek also
chortling. Only 2 dollars for a backpacker's site at the Lake Morena Campground.
Friendly folks at the malt shop.
Boulder Oaks campground closed but faucets flowing with various colors of
water; I went with the clear kind. Plentyof water in Long Canyon.
Interested in the heated discussions about immigrants. I was
concerned about this prior to leaving but got to thinking. I was buzzed twice by
low-flying helicopters in Hauser Canyon and met a crew of 5 b.p. trucks at the
creek. I even talked with a b.p. guy who said most immigrants don't use the
trail because they think it's bugged and he said it very well might be! Do they
have micro cameras hidden in the prickly pears? If so, I bet they'd have more
footage of PCT hikers on nature call than fleeing immigrants. Basically, I feel
this issue is way blown out of proportion and if anyone -hiker, refugee,
salesman etc- wants some water or food from me out there, I'd be happy to
share.
Going at a snail's pace so I hope to see some of you when you
pass me after the kick-off!
Sassafras
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:40:49 -0800
To: pct-l@mailman.backcountry.net
From: Brick Robbins brick@fastpack.com
Subject: [pct-l] Lake Morena draining prompts campground closure
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But not the one ADZPCTKOP will be using
"Lake draining prompts campground closure - Animals, economy top local
concerns"
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/thu/metro/news_7m29morena.html
The good news:
".... the park's south shore will remain open. It
has recreational-vehicle
hookups, a boat launch, restrooms, youth-group cabins and
a ranger station."
The Bad News:
"LAKE MORENA VILLAGE -- For the first time in more than a decade, the
county Parks Department has shut down a major portion of Lake
Morena's
campground. The lake's level has dropped too low, exposing mud
flats and
an unstable shoreline.
The north shore of the East County lake, which offers isolated
camping
spots and fishing holes, will be closed indefinitely, said Randy Ford,
district park manager for the county."
--
Brick Robbins
Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far they can
go
- T.S. Eliot
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