[pct-l] PCT-l and flame wars

[Mike Cunningham]

FWIW the AT list was killed after a newbie flamed pretty much everyone on the list.

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On Thu, 3/8/18, Scott Diamond <scott.diamond.mail at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT-l and flame wars
 To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
 Date: Thursday, March 8, 2018, 1:18 PM
 
 My take is what goes around comes
 around. Some on this this list have had
 no
 issues casting aspersions on the FB group.  But then
 complain when
 criticism is leveled at us?
 
 On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:56
 AM, Herb Stroh <HStroh at sjmslaw.com>
 wrote:
 
 > I chime in with
 Fireweed and TrailHacker that the list had its fair share
 > of flames--not only the topics TH
 identified, but who can forget the
 >
 searing exchanges on guns, dogs, and mountain bikes?
 >
 > But I waded through
 the occasional garbage because there were so many
 > other valuable conversations that took
 place. As a section hiker, I often
 > need
 specific info about a particular section. Posting here I
 always
 > received knowledgeable responses
 and solid advice. If I asked about
 >
 transportation to a trail head, frequently I would receive
 an offline email
 > offering a ride. So I
 know this list did--and hopefully still does--reach
 > the trail community that is supportive and
 willing to share its collective
 >
 knowledge.
 >
 > See you
 at the NorCal Ruck.
 >
 > Herb
 >
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Pct-L <pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net>
 On Behalf Of Anthony Biegen
 > Sent:
 Thursday, March 8, 2018 9:34 AM
 > To:
 Mary Kwart <mkwart at gci.net>
 > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
 > Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT-l and flame
 wars
 >
 > I have to
 agree with Fireweed. There was a lot of flame wars and
 > misogynistic remarks on the list and in
 some cases the perpetrators
 > harassed
 their target further off list. Piper left the list for that
 reason
 > as did others. At times Ned was
 on the receiving end of flames so I'm
 > surprised that he doesn't recall the
 reality of the list's history.
 >
 > Piper still hikes the trail every year but
 she showed no interest when I
 > told her
 the list was back.
 >
 >
 Perhaps those days are gone and the list will live up to the
 fantasy
 > nirvana that some people seem
 to remember.
 >
 >
 TrailHacker
 >
 > On
 Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:13 AM Mary Kwart <mkwart at gci.net>
 wrote:
 >
 > > Ned
 Tibbits said: "I don't recall when Brick started
 this listserve,
 > > but I think
 I've been on it since 2005 and have never seen a
 "flame
 > > war" or bitchy
 person rant their opinions on another."
 > > Although the PCT list serve conveyed
 a lot of info, I remember more
 > >
 than a few incidences on this list serve of nasty
 interactions, many
 > > involving
 Rheinhold Metzger and that guy who is or was Yogi's
 > > boyfriend. All under the guise of
 "free speech" of course. It has
 > > driven many people away from the list
 serve. Plus the fact that it is
 > > in
 a form that you have to wade through to get to anything
 of
 > > interest. White Blaze is a good
 example of a a subject driven system
 >
 > where you can go to a certain subject to get the info
 you need. Jack
 > > Haskel of the PCT
 had said several years ago that the PCTA was going
 > > to develop their own White Blaze type
 site, but I don't think they
 > >
 ever have. I've been concentrating on hiking other
 trails, so don't go
 > > on the
 PCTA website to find out what they have done.
 > > I don't like Facebook either, but
 the list serve was not any less
 > >
 prone to flame wars and bitchiness.
 >
 > --Mary "Fireweed" Kwart
 >
 >
 > >
 > >
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