[pct-l] Fwd: Re: Stove less

Paint YW paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com
Tue Jan 9 16:36:47 CST 2018


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Paint YW" <paintyourwagonhikes at gmail.com>
Date: Jan 9, 2018 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stove less
To: "Candace Frederick" <candace at jfred.net>
Cc:


   https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=
   C211US105D20170719&p=angeles+nf
   <https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=C211US105D20170719&p=angeles+nf>
   MAKE A RESERVATION
   - BANDIDO GROUP CAMPGROUND >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=camping&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=75445>
   - COULTER GROUP CAMPGROUND >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=camping&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=75444>
   - CRYSTAL LAKE >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=camping&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=70677>
   - JACKSON FLATS >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=camping&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=73582>
   - LAKE CAMPGROUND >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=camping&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=73584>
   - LIGHTNING POINT GROUP CAMPGROUND >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=camping&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=75443>
   - MEADOW GROUP CAMPGROUND >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=camping&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=72401>
   - MOUNTAIN OAK >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=camping&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=73583>
   - PYRAMID LAKE - EMIGRANT LANDING DAY USE AREA >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=camping&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=72312>
   - PYRAMID LAKE - LOS ALAMOS CAMPGROUND >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=camping&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=72292>
   - More   >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=dsearch&interest=all&locationPosition=NRSO:1061:-118.033762000000:34.148074000000::CA&locationCriteria=Angeles%20National%20Forest>


   OTHER FACILITIES
   - 6,000 Foot Day Use >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=250834&facilityId=250834&agencyCode=70903>
   - Angeles National Forest Supervisor's Office >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=271953&facilityId=271953&agencyCode=70903>
   - Appletree Campground >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243240&facilityId=243240&agencyCode=70903>
   - Arch Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243304&facilityId=243304&agencyCode=70903>
   - Barley Road Junction Trailhead - Closed >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243302&facilityId=243302&agencyCode=70903>
   - Basin Campground - Closed >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243268&facilityId=243268&agencyCode=70903>
   - Bear Campground >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243257&facilityId=243257&agencyCode=70903>
   - Bear Divide Vista Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243327&facilityId=243327&agencyCode=70903>
   - Beartrap Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243323&facilityId=243323&agencyCode=70903>
   - Big Pines Visitor Center Interpretive Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243305&facilityId=243305&agencyCode=70903>
   - Big Rock Campground Seasonal/Hike-In >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243241&facilityId=243241&agencyCode=70903>
   - Blue Ridge Campground >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243242&facilityId=243242&agencyCode=70903>
   - Buckhorn Campground >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243235&facilityId=243235&agencyCode=70903>
   - Buckhorn Day Use Area >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243303&facilityId=243303&agencyCode=70903>
   - Cascade Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243282&facilityId=243282&agencyCode=70903>
   - Chantry Flat Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243288&facilityId=243288&agencyCode=70903>
   - Charlton Flats Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243290&facilityId=243290&agencyCode=70903>
   - Chilao Campground >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243267&facilityId=243267&agencyCode=70903>
   - Chilao Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243291&facilityId=243291&agencyCode=70903>
   - Chilao Visitor Center >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243296&facilityId=243296&agencyCode=70903>
   - Cienaga Campground - Closed >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243258&facilityId=243258&agencyCode=70903>
   - Clear Creek Information Station >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243295&facilityId=243295&agencyCode=70903>
   - Colby Bridge Day Use Area >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=250832&facilityId=250832&agencyCode=70903>
   - Coldbrook Campground >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243264&facilityId=243264&agencyCode=70903>
   - Condor Peak Trailhead >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=250827&facilityId=250827&agencyCode=70903>
   - Cottonwood Campground--Closed >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243259&facilityId=243259&agencyCode=70903>
   - Deer Flats Group Campground >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243269&facilityId=243269&agencyCode=70903>
   - Delta Flat Day Use Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=250831&facilityId=250831&agencyCode=70903>
   - Delta Flats Observation Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243329&facilityId=243329&agencyCode=70903>
   - Devil's Canyon (hwy 2) Trailhead >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243299&facilityId=243299&agencyCode=70903>
   - Eagles Roost Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243293&facilityId=243293&agencyCode=70903>
   - East Fork Day Use Pking Trailhead >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243359&facilityId=243359&agencyCode=70903>
   - Eaton Saddle Trailhead >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=250837&facilityId=250837&agencyCode=70903>
   - Echo Mountain Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243283&facilityId=243283&agencyCode=70903>
   - Fawnskin Picnic Area >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=253508&facilityId=253508&agencyCode=70903>
   - Fisherman's Point Fishing Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243306&facilityId=243306&agencyCode=70903>
   - Frenchman's Flat Day Use Area >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=253509&facilityId=253509&agencyCode=70903>
   - George's Gap Trailhead >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=250826&facilityId=250826&agencyCode=70903>
   - Glenn Camp Campground >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243265&facilityId=243265&agencyCode=70903>
   - Grassy Hollow Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=270842&facilityId=270842&agencyCode=70903>
   - Grassy Hollow Visitor Center Interpretive Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=270843&facilityId=270843&agencyCode=70903>
   - Green Valley Station Interpretive Site (admin) >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243325&facilityId=243325&agencyCode=70903>
   - Guffy Campground >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243243&facilityId=243243&agencyCode=70903>
   - Heaton Flats Trailhead >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243277&facilityId=243277&agencyCode=70903>
   - Hidden Springs Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243331&facilityId=243331&agencyCode=70903>
   - Horse Flats Campground - >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243236&facilityId=243236&agencyCode=70903>
   - Icehouse Trailhead >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243273&facilityId=243273&agencyCode=70903>
   - Indian Canyon Trailhead - Closed >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243280&facilityId=243280&agencyCode=70903>
   - Inspiration Point Interpretive Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243301&facilityId=243301&agencyCode=70903>
   - Inspiration Point Trailhead >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243309&facilityId=243309&agencyCode=70903>
   - Islip Saddle Day Use Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243298&facilityId=243298&agencyCode=70903>
   - Islip Wawona Trailhead >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243278&facilityId=243278&agencyCode=70903>
   - Jackson Lake Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243310&facilityId=243310&agencyCode=70903>
   - Jarvi Memorial Day Use Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=250829&facilityId=250829&agencyCode=70903>
   - Jarvi Memorial Observation Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243294&facilityId=243294&agencyCode=70903>
   - Juniper Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243311&facilityId=243311&agencyCode=70903>
   - Lake Elizabeth Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243317&facilityId=243317&agencyCode=70903>
   - Live Oak Picnic Site - Decomissioned >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243332&facilityId=243332&agencyCode=70903>
   - Los Angeles Gateway District >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243233&facilityId=243233&agencyCode=70903>
   - Los Cantilles Group Picnic Site - Closed >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243271&facilityId=243271&agencyCode=70903>
   - Lower Big Tujunga Water Play Area >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=271763&facilityId=271763&agencyCode=70903>
   - Lower San Antonio Day Use >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=253510&facilityId=253510&agencyCode=70903>
   - Lupine Campground-Closed >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243244&facilityId=243244&agencyCode=70903>
   - Manker Campground >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243266&facilityId=243266&agencyCode=70903>
   - Mescal Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243313&facilityId=243313&agencyCode=70903>
   - Messenger Flats Campground >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243261&facilityId=243261&agencyCode=70903>
   - Mill Creek Summit Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243333&facilityId=243333&agencyCode=70903>
   - Monte Cristo Campground >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243262&facilityId=243262&agencyCode=70903>
   - Mt. Baldy Visitor Center Interpretive Site (major) >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243343&facilityId=243343&agencyCode=70903>
   - Mt. Baldy Wayside Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243344&facilityId=243344&agencyCode=70903>
   - Mt. Pacifico Campground >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243239&facilityId=243239&agencyCode=70903>
   - Mt. Wilson Rd/Eaton Saddle Trailhead >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243300&facilityId=243300&agencyCode=70903>
   - Mt. Wilson Skyline Park Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=271760&facilityId=271760&agencyCode=70903>
   - Nino Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243284&facilityId=243284&agencyCode=70903>
   - North Fork Saddle Picnic Site-No Vehicle Access >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243340&facilityId=243340&agencyCode=70903>
   - Northshore Fishing Site Fishing Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243274&facilityId=243274&agencyCode=70903>
   - Oak Flat Campground >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243252&facilityId=243252&agencyCode=70903>
   - Oak Springs Trailhead/Picnic Area >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=250830&facilityId=250830&agencyCode=70903>
   - Oaks Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243345&facilityId=243345&agencyCode=70903>
   - Oakwilde Campground >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243238&facilityId=243238&agencyCode=70903>
   - PCT Pony Park Trailhead >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243341&facilityId=243341&agencyCode=70903>
   - Pacific Crest Trail Trailhead >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243354&facilityId=243354&agencyCode=70903>
   - Paul Little Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243285&facilityId=243285&agencyCode=70903>
   - Peavine Campground >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243246&facilityId=243246&agencyCode=70903>
   - Piru Ponds Interpretive Site - Closed >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243356&facilityId=243356&agencyCode=70903>
   - Red Box Picnic Area >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243362&facilityId=243362&agencyCode=70903>
   - Rocky Point Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243247&facilityId=243247&agencyCode=70903>
   - Rowher Flats Trailhead >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243276&facilityId=243276&agencyCode=70903>
   - Sage Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243248&facilityId=243248&agencyCode=70903>
   - San Gabriel Cyn Entry Sta Info Site/fee Station >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243360&facilityId=243360&agencyCode=70903>
   - San Gabriel Cyn OHV Area Specialized Sport Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243352&facilityId=243352&agencyCode=70903>
   - San Gabriel Environmental Education Center Interpr >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243364&facilityId=243364&agencyCode=70903>
   - San Gabriel Mountains National Monument >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243234&facilityId=243234&agencyCode=70903>
   - San Gabriel and San Antonio Hunting Map >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=251766&facilityId=251766&agencyCode=70903>
   - Santa Clara/Mojave Rivers Ranger District >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243245&facilityId=243245&agencyCode=70903>
   - Santiago Staging Area Picnic Site - Closed >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243351&facilityId=243351&agencyCode=70903>
   - Sawmill Campground >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=270841&facilityId=270841&agencyCode=70903>
   - Serrano Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243318&facilityId=243318&agencyCode=70903>
   - Shoemaker Viewpoint Day Use Area >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=270844&facilityId=270844&agencyCode=70903>
   - Shortcut Trailhead >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243357&facilityId=243357&agencyCode=70903>
   - Skyline Park Picnic Area >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=250836&facilityId=250836&agencyCode=70903>
   - Soledad Interpretive Site (minor) - Closed >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243335&facilityId=243335&agencyCode=70903>
   - Southfork Campground >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243249&facilityId=243249&agencyCode=70903>
   - Southfork Group Campground >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243270&facilityId=243270&agencyCode=70903>
   - Spanish Point Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243319&facilityId=243319&agencyCode=70903>
   - Spring Camp Campground >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243237&facilityId=243237&agencyCode=70903>
   - Spunky Campground - Closed >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243254&facilityId=243254&agencyCode=70903>
   - Stonyvale Overlook Observation Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243336&facilityId=243336&agencyCode=70903>
   - Stonyvale Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243337&facilityId=243337&agencyCode=70903>
   - Strawberry Colby Trailhead >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243279&facilityId=243279&agencyCode=70903>
   - Streamside Campground - Closed >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243255&facilityId=243255&agencyCode=70903>
   - Switzer Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=271392&facilityId=271392&agencyCode=70903>
   - Table Mountain Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243314&facilityId=243314&agencyCode=70903>
   - Telephone Point - View Point Day Use Area >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243347&facilityId=243347&agencyCode=70903>
   - The Cove Fishing Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243353&facilityId=243353&agencyCode=70903>
   - The Pines Picnic Site - Closed >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243286&facilityId=243286&agencyCode=70903>
   - Three Points Day Use Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=250835&facilityId=250835&agencyCode=70903>
   - Three Points Trailhead >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243297&facilityId=243297&agencyCode=70903>
   - Tincup Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=271762&facilityId=271762&agencyCode=70903>
   - Trail Canyon Trailhead >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243342&facilityId=243342&agencyCode=70903>
   - Upper Bear Creek Trailhead >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=271393&facilityId=271393&agencyCode=70903>
   - Upper Shake Campground - Closed >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243256&facilityId=243256&agencyCode=70903>
   - Vacquero Boating and Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243355&facilityId=243355&agencyCode=70903>
   - Valyermo Picnic Site - Closed >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243315&facilityId=243315&agencyCode=70903>
   - Vetter Mountain Lookout Interp Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243358&facilityId=243358&agencyCode=70903>
   - Vincent's Gap Trailhead >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243316&facilityId=243316&agencyCode=70903>
   - Vista Del Lago Interpretive Site (major) >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243321&facilityId=243321&agencyCode=70903>
   - Vista Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243292&facilityId=243292&agencyCode=70903>
   - Vogel Flat Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243338&facilityId=243338&agencyCode=70903>
   - West Fork Day Use Pking Trailhead >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243348&facilityId=243348&agencyCode=70903>
   - West Fork Fishing Access Fishing Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243349&facilityId=243349&agencyCode=70903>
   - West Gate Rest Stop >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=271759&facilityId=271759&agencyCode=70903>
   - Wildwood Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243339&facilityId=243339&agencyCode=70903>
   - Wilson Canyon Saddle >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=250833&facilityId=250833&agencyCode=70903>
   - Windy Gap Trailhead >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243281&facilityId=243281&agencyCode=70903>
   - Yellowbar Picnic Site >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243322&facilityId=243322&agencyCode=70903>
   - Zuni Campground - Closed >
   <https://www.recreation.gov/unifSearchInterface.do?interface=%2FrecreationalAreaDetails.do&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=243263&facilityId=243263&agencyCode=70903>
   -
   -
   - Stating the obvious,
   - in a metropolis of 18 million people,
   - in close proximity to the Angeles NF,
   - one might find a demographic of people in need of fire prevention
   education,
   - at least as much as the average hiker.
   -
   - On a personal note,
   - I'm responsible with my Jetboil Zip stove,
   - and enjoy a hot meal at the end of a day of robust hiking,
   - so I'll be carrying it where it's use is prohibited,
   - and otherwise using it where it's allowed.
   -
   - I am including a list of recreation sites within the Angeles NF,
   - that presumably are reached by vehicular transportation,
   - to add some perspective to the discussion regarding forest fires,
   - campfires,
   - hikers,
   - and the use of backpacking stoves.
   -
   - IMHO, and to no one in particular, haranguing hikers will lead to
   tuning out, rather than tuning in.
   -
   - Paint



On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 8:56 AM, Candace Frederick <candace at jfred.net> wrote:

> Living in an area close to the San Bernadino National Forest, I wish it was
> banned in our area as well. Though, hiking through our forest, I see
> remnants of fire rings from campers anyway so I doubt it would do much
> good. I would just rather not lose my house because someone wanted coffee
> in the morning.
>
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 10:25 PM, Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:49 PM, marmot marmot
> > <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > The point of this discussion (in this year)is that in addition to the
> > normal almost universal ban on campfires in Southern Calif. there is
> also a
> > ban on all stoves.
> >
> > The ban is on in Angeles NF, not all of SoCal
> >
> > Here is the map of the NF
> > http://www.presleyt.net/anforest/tippics/anfmap610x471.gif
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