[pct-l] Fires

[marmot marmot]

See California Chaperal.com 
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> On May 4, 2017, at 4:36 AM, marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This model in Southern California concerning chaparral does not apply. The research indicates that fires are counter productive
> Marmot
> 
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>> On May 3, 2017, at 6:26 PM, James Vesely <veselyjames at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We might be losing sight of the fire through the trees.
>> 
>> Fire has  always been a part of a healthy forest and as we all know the
>> suppression of forest fires caused the predicament we are now in. Native
>> American Indians created fires to keep the land and Meadows clear and
>> naturally started forest fires such as lightning strikes self regulated the
>> build-up of combustible materials and the kept the tree density low.  The
>> current situation is not sustainable and sooner or later there will be
>> large canopy fires  whether started by man or not that burn so hot  they
>> cannot be extinguished.  Sure, walking through a burnt-out forest is not
>> picturesque but it is more natural than most of us know.  We need to see
>> fire as nature's way of balancing the ecosystem.
>> 
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>>> On May 3, 2017 2:12 PM, <pctl at marcusschwartz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think alcohol stoves are much, much lower than 30% these days.  My
>>> hike was 2016, and I'm not sure if I saw a single thru-hiker other
>>> than myself use an alcohol stove (except one who got rid of it in the
>>> first 200 miles).  Hiker boxes almost never had alcohol.  Some
>>> hikers regarded my alcohol stove as an exotic (but silly) device.
>>> Most hikers I ate with either used a canister stove, an integrated
>>> canister stove (e.g. JetBoil), or no stove.
>>> 
>>> I switched to a canister stove around Walker Pass.  Guessing how much
>>> fuel I needed was a pain, wasting fuel when I guessed too high was a
>>> pain, repriming when I guessed too low was a pain, having no control
>>> over the heat was a pain, it cooked more slowly, I needed to worry
>>> about wind a lot, and it didn't have a shutoff valve.  The canister
>>> stove I used had none of those problems, and was less than 1oz, so the
>>> weight difference was negligible.  Fuel was lighter per BTU, too.
>>> 
>>> Eventually, I switched to no stove.  Waiting to eat when it's cold
>>> out is no fun, and cleaning cookware when it's cold out is really no
>>> fun.  I found that even with a canister stove, cooking/eating/washing
>>> added almost an hour to making camp.
>>> 
>>> So, I think we'll see a disappearance of alcohol stoves, not because
>>> of fire danger, but because modern canister stoves (or no-stove
>>> techniques) outpaced them.
>>> 
>>> -=Town Food
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Drew Smith" <jdrewsmith at gmail.com>
>>> To:
>>> Cc:"pct-l @backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>>> Sent:Wed, 03 May 2017 14:24:20 +0000
>>> Subject:Re: [pct-l] Fires
>>> 
>>> [cut]
>>> What is the baseline prevalence of alcohol stoves vs other stoves? If
>>> alcohol stoves are used by 30% of hikers but cause 20% of fires, then
>>> the
>>> logical conclusion is that alcohol stoves are safer than other
>>> stoves.
>>> [cut]
>>> 
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