[pct-l] Fires

[marmot marmot]

This model in Southern California concerning chaparral does not apply. The research indicates that fires are counter productive
Marmot

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> On May 3, 2017, at 6:26 PM, James Vesely <veselyjames at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> We might be losing sight of the fire through the trees.
> 
> Fire has  always been a part of a healthy forest and as we all know the
> suppression of forest fires caused the predicament we are now in. Native
> American Indians created fires to keep the land and Meadows clear and
> naturally started forest fires such as lightning strikes self regulated the
> build-up of combustible materials and the kept the tree density low.  The
> current situation is not sustainable and sooner or later there will be
> large canopy fires  whether started by man or not that burn so hot  they
> cannot be extinguished.  Sure, walking through a burnt-out forest is not
> picturesque but it is more natural than most of us know.  We need to see
> fire as nature's way of balancing the ecosystem.
> 
> 
> Jim
> 
>> On May 3, 2017 2:12 PM, <pctl at marcusschwartz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think alcohol stoves are much, much lower than 30% these days.  My
>> hike was 2016, and I'm not sure if I saw a single thru-hiker other
>> than myself use an alcohol stove (except one who got rid of it in the
>> first 200 miles).  Hiker boxes almost never had alcohol.  Some
>> hikers regarded my alcohol stove as an exotic (but silly) device.
>> Most hikers I ate with either used a canister stove, an integrated
>> canister stove (e.g. JetBoil), or no stove.
>> 
>> I switched to a canister stove around Walker Pass.  Guessing how much
>> fuel I needed was a pain, wasting fuel when I guessed too high was a
>> pain, repriming when I guessed too low was a pain, having no control
>> over the heat was a pain, it cooked more slowly, I needed to worry
>> about wind a lot, and it didn't have a shutoff valve.  The canister
>> stove I used had none of those problems, and was less than 1oz, so the
>> weight difference was negligible.  Fuel was lighter per BTU, too.
>> 
>> Eventually, I switched to no stove.  Waiting to eat when it's cold
>> out is no fun, and cleaning cookware when it's cold out is really no
>> fun.  I found that even with a canister stove, cooking/eating/washing
>> added almost an hour to making camp.
>> 
>> So, I think we'll see a disappearance of alcohol stoves, not because
>> of fire danger, but because modern canister stoves (or no-stove
>> techniques) outpaced them.
>> 
>> -=Town Food
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Drew Smith" <jdrewsmith at gmail.com>
>> To:
>> Cc:"pct-l @backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Sent:Wed, 03 May 2017 14:24:20 +0000
>> Subject:Re: [pct-l] Fires
>> 
>> [cut]
>> What is the baseline prevalence of alcohol stoves vs other stoves? If
>> alcohol stoves are used by 30% of hikers but cause 20% of fires, then
>> the
>> logical conclusion is that alcohol stoves are safer than other
>> stoves.
>> [cut]
>> 
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