[pct-l] Troublemakers

Sun Jan 10 14:05:44 CST 2016

Nancy.......We started hosting in 2003. 12 the first year. Every year
after our numbers increased about 50 a year. 2013.....395.  2014.....706.
2015......536. We probably lost between 75-100 to Skykomish when we changed
to no alcohol this last year. Curious to see what's coming this year.
Wild came out 3 years ago ??

Andrea

On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Nancy Thomas <nanthomas at gmail.com> wrote:

> Do you all think it is because of the  trails publicity (Wild)?
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 10, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Linda Sheehan <lwshee at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Andrea, that is a very telling point. Im sorry about this print size;
> > can't seem to get rid of it now...
> > However, one of the issues that has come up is the techno advances on the
> > trail. Am I just old fashioned (well old anyway) or am I seeing more 'me
> > against the trail' or 'I'm cool and I'm special because I can do all
> these
> > miles' behavior. I've certainly noticed in the blogs and selfies (that
> word
> > tells you something) that the miles per day and the *crowd* behavior is
> the
> > only reason a lot of people do the trail. The experience is a reflection
> of
> > them, not our small part of the wonderful, awesome and respectful
> > experience of the wilderness. Anyway, I'll get off my high horse. This
> kind
> > of behavior hasn't always been confined to the outdoors. I guess the
> > Continental Divide trail will have to be solace to the younger ones to
> find
> > more peace and solitude than the PCT has to offer now.
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Andrea Dinsmore <
> > andrea at dinsmoreshikerhaven.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I see a comparison between NOBOs and SOBOs.   SOBOs aren't into the
> >> drinking, smoking, bad attitudes or smart ass behavior. They seem to be
> >> more into the trail and their performance and planning.  Partying is
> the
> >> furthest thought of their hike. Maybe part of this difference is that
> they
> >> start a few at a time and have to immediately get serious about their
> >> survival. This has been the way the SOBOs have been for 14 years.  The
> >> NOBOs (that drink a lot) would hit here and show up with 1-2 cases of
> beer
> >> each were always under 30 yrs old and showed up in a group. Solo hikers
> >> occasionally with 1 six pack.
> >>
> >> Andrea
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Linda Sheehan <lwshee at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Is there anything we can do about this problem at an individual hiker
> >>> level? I respect the attempts by the PCT organization to try and lessen
> >>> the
> >>> blow on the trail. But when we see things happening what do people of
> this
> >>> forum think we can do to try to stem the tide?
> >>> I have never (being a section hiker) attended, sad to say, the party in
> >>> April at Moreno. Would that be a venue to enforce the golden rule in
> some
> >>> way?
> >>> Will this issue be dealt with in any way at the San Diego get together?
> >>> lover of the hills, Linda S.
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 5:29 AM, Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> From: "Ned Tibbits" <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> >>>> To: "Roger Carpenter" <pinecone at elkpass.com>, Pct-L at backcountry.net
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 10:07:08 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Troublemakers
> >>>>
> >>>> Just a quick question on this topic of "trail policing..."
> >>>>
> >>>> What does the AT do about it?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> As an organization, not much that I'm aware of. With many more hikers,
> >>> the
> >>>> number of self-centered jerks is proportionally larger than on the
> PCT,
> >>> and
> >>>> more concentrated (shorter trail, more trail towns to resupply).
> >>>>
> >>>> A recent issue of the AT magazine ("AT Journeys") highlighted the
> >>> problems
> >>>> that hikers are creating in Baxter State Park and Mt. Katahdin
> >>>> particularly. Even a thru-runner, seeking to break the time record,
> >>>> blatantly violated several BSP rules for Katadhin. Apparently, it's
> >>> gotten
> >>>> so bad that park officials are considering closing Katadhin as the
> >>> northern
> >>>> terminus of the AT, which would be a real tragedy.
> >>>>
> >>>> The ATC is following many of the same strategies that the PCTA is (or
> >>>> maybe vice-versa) - trying to get people to spread out their start
> >>> times,
> >>>> esp. at the southern end; increased education about LNT and town
> >>> behavior,
> >>>> etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> One thing for sure - this is a problem in the greater society, not
> just
> >>>> the trails. Bad trail behavior is just reflecting what's happening in
> >>>> society. And I don't see it being eliminated any time soon.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mango
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ned Tibbits, Director
> >>>> Mountain Education, Inc.
> >>>> www.mountaineducation.org
> >>>> ned at mountaineducation.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Mission:
> >>>> "To minimize wilderness accidents, injury, and illness in order to
> >>> maximize
> >>>> wilderness enjoyment, safety, and personal growth, all through
> >>> experiential
> >>>> education and risk awareness training."
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