[pct-l] Echo Chalet no longer a resupply point

Wed Jan 6 18:36:57 CST 2016

If the so called "trail angels" and other enablers of this behavior stop feeding them the number"problem hikers" will hopefully drop.
Why do you feel compelled to continue to support this nonsense? Clearly stopping this coddling will impact themore reasonable hikers but they'll find a way. 
      From: Andrea Dinsmore <andrea at dinsmoreshikerhaven.com>
 To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net> 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 3:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [pct-l] Echo Chalet no longer a resupply point

This letter from Tim Crum covers some of the problems I've been bringing
up the last three to four years. It's not the majority of hikers who the
P.O.s, businesses, cafes, Motels, Trail Angels, Hostels and other have been
having problems with on the trail. It's a small percentage....but as the
numbers go up the percentage of rude, irresponsible hikers go up. They act
as though they are entitled to do whatever the hell they want because they
are THRU-HIKERS. Before the last few years all the hikers were a pleasure
to deal with but the times are a changing. If you have this urge to act
like an animal when you're out in the woods.....so be it. When you get to
civilization act like the human that you are and be respectful to others.
You bad ass hikers that think you are hot stuff are ruining it for all the
other hundreds of real hikers. Businesses and private people that you deal
with for trail business don't like your habits, your attitude, your
rudeness and your trashiness in town and on the trail.  Give it a few more
years and you hikers won't have these places who will have anything to do
with you anymore.

Just because you are a thru hiker don't mean anything special to most
people in the world. The only one's who understand hiking that many miles
are other hikers. The only thing that seems to be important to the "PARTY"
crowd is the drinking, smoking and seeing who can out gross your each
other.  You guys need to grow up and act like adults.

You hikers who are sloppy and rude are the reason we don't allow drinking
at our home for the hikers. This is not a party house. This is a place for
you to organize, rest up, clean up and get ready for the last section
before you finish the trail.

Andrea Dinsmore
PCT MOM
Skykomish/Baring, WA.

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Tim Crum <4140lcl at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was packing in Desolation last fall on the closing weekend of Echo Chalet
> and had a long talk with the owner about their decision to stop accepting
> supply boxes. They really like and support PCT users and this was a
> decision they struggled with, but felt forced to do.
>
> First and foremost is an explanation of their reason for being a contract
> post office. It is for the purpose of serving the part-time residence of
> Echo Lake. The primary purpose of the store is also to serve the residence,
> but to also serve visitors (including PCT users) as well.
>
> What caused the decision to not accept resupply boxes were multiple:
>
> 1. Too many boxes.
> With the "Wild" effect they got bombarded with boxes. Sometimes up to 4 and
> 5 boxes for one hiker! So many boxes they ran out of room in the post
> office and were running out of room in the store. They were literally
> stacking boxes outside during the day and moving them inside at night to
> lock up. This was actually a violation of their postal contract but they
> had no other choice.
> Here is the thing. If you are ultra light packing and mailing more than one
> supply box, then YOU ARE NOT BACKPACKING! You are day packing and paying
> someone to Sherpa your load! If you are backpacking you should be healthy
> and in shape enough to have the ability to at least carry a 20% body weight
> load. If you cannot do that then you need to re-examine your ability to be
> on the trail if an emergency happens, because if you aren't in the shape it
> takes to be able to handle a 20% load you are putting yourself and the
> people that have to rescue you in danger.
> Over the summer they had a lot of boxes that never got picked up and were
> forced to mail back. Another added burden.
>
> 2. Rude people
>
> They had several people come through who were frankly rude. She gave me an
> example of one hiker who called ahead to confirm her box. Upon questioning,
> the hiker said she labeled it with her trail name. The Store owner told her
> that postal rules require a valid ID to match the name on the package so
> she needs to have her name on the box. It ended up with the hiker screaming
> obscenities over the phone to the effect that she didn't need to use her
> real name and that everyone on the trail knows her by her trail name so
> that should be enough ID. The store owner hung up in tears at that point.
>
> Another example was that people would sort gear from their box and
> decide to shed gear. Echo chooses not to maintain a hiker box so hikers
> choosing not to mail unwanted gear and food back home would sneak off
> behind the building  and make their own impromptu boxes, which bears,
> raccoons, dogs, etc. would promptly tear into and scatter around the
> contents. As this was now a violation of the stores USFS lease, the store
> was liable for conducting the clean-up. This happened several times over
> the summer.
>
> As I stated above, Echo does support PCT users, but they felt the service
> which is above and beyond its intended purpose (the Echo Lake residents)
> was being abused. The compromise they came up with was to have supply
> packages sent to either Twin Bridges to the west, or Meyers to the east,
> and to increase resupply offering in the store. So now you will find a
> better selection of packing supply options in the store.
>
> Long story short is, most PCT users are good people with responsible back
> packing ethics. A few people who put too much emphasis and obsession on a
> personal goal and finding anyway to do that can ruin a good situation of
> the rest of us that just want to enjoy the trail and experience. Just
> because you are on a mission does not mean anyone else has to help you meet
> it (Hike your own hike, but don't demand or expect others to comply with
> your hike).The PCT and its experience is work, but it is not a job. Slow
> down, take some time and enjoy the trail for what it is. Above all, don't
> abuse our trail support. The angels and businesses and trail magic that
> help us use the trail and make it possible to do this journey are a rare
> gift to be appreciated and supported with polite gratitude.
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