[pct-l] PCTA Statement on Water Caches

[marmot marmot]

Just so there is no confusion   I don't believe anyone is suggesting to never use watercaches. They are out there to help you be safe not to be the main source of water. They are backup if you miscalculate, it's hotter than you thought it's taking longer to do a section than you thought. Not as your primary source because you don't want your pack to be heavy. 
Marmot

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> On Mar 2, 2015, at 2:05 PM, marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> This is exactly what I want to start happening. We don't have to do the trail the same way. I believe we have to think about possible impacts. In my opinion, talking about this can start to change behaviors. We are trying to cause new hikers to think. I don't wear heavy boots but I do carry enough water to make it to the next source. 
> Marmot
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>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:17 PM, marmot marmot <marmotwestvanc at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> There are a number of things making people unsafe on the trail. Water/food caches are part of the problem. I completely support what Jack has said  I wrote an open letter to the hiking community which will be published in the next Aldhawest Gazette. Please read it and start talking about solutions 
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>>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Gail Van Velzer <vanvelzer at charter.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Excellent article that I whole-heartedly agree with.  As you can imagine, with horses, I need much more water than a water cache has, so it's even more important for me to explore my options with regards to water.  In some instances, I must meet my trailer for water.  From the beginning, I decided I wouldn't use any of the caches.  I too was faced with not finding water at "reliable" sources...water tanks, guzzlers, etc.  I was recently faced with having to ride down the mountain in the dark to Hiker Town.  We finally found a spring at Horse Spring Camp, but it wasn't easy to find or get water back to the horses.  It took 7 trips (.2 miles each way) through a lot of brush and downed trees, hauling as much water as was possible to carry on each trip.  I guess I'm still old school, where we relied on ourselves and not artificial caches.
>>> 
>>> Also, in regards to one cache, Oasis Cache, Frankenstein sure caused my horse to take notice!  He didn't spook, but I can see how some horses would. The props, the pictures, the chairs, etc., don't really need to be there. The spot is shady enough.  I have to agree with Jack Haskell, that all the caches are causing people to be less safe on the trail.
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>>> Golly
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Vesely" <JVesely at sstinternational.com>
>>> To: "PCT L." <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 12:43 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCTA Statement on Water Caches
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>>> 
>>>> I'll second that.
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Pct-L [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Barry Teschlog
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 11:53 AM
>>>> To: PCT L.
>>>> Subject: [pct-l] PCTA Statement on Water Caches
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>>>> http://www.pcta.org/2015/problem-water-caches-pct-27677/
>>>> IMO, Excellent.
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