[pct-l] Question regarding Section A Required Permits

[Jim Banks]

Did you read Order 88-1 that you refer to?  It says "Wilderness and
Primitive" areas.  These are defined terms, as in a Congressionally
designated Wilderness or Primitive Area.  This doesn't mean just out on the
trail even though you may be a long way from anywhere.  As I stated, anytime
you go through a designated Wilderness Area (or a designated Primitive Area,
although I can't remember if the PCT goes through any officially designated
Primitive Areas) you need a permit.  Also need a permit in some of the State
Parks and most, if not all, the National Parks that the PCT goes through.
But you do not need a permit otherwise.  

I abide by the rules to the letter and I am not encouraging people to
circumvent the rules when all I am doing is ACCURATELY stating the rules.
Like I said, if you want to get a permit most ranger stations will give you
one and it is a good idea to let them know you are out there, but again not
required.  

And finally, his post was very specific.  It said Section A and then Section
B to Paradise Cafe.  That is south of the San Jacinto Wilderness Area and it
was the San Jacinto Wilderness Area that I was referring to when I said no
permit was needed until further north in Section B.

I-Beam

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan C. aka Thumper [mailto:dofdear at cox.net] 
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 7:59 PM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net; Jim Banks
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Question regarding Section A Required Permits

Check out order 88-1,
http://www.fs.usda.gov/detailfull/cleveland/about-forest/?cid=fsbdev7_016467
&width=full
So I stand corrected, it's any time you enter not multi-day.  And besides,
there is a safety issue that the service wants to know who and when folks
are in the back country and/wilderness. Also this whole corredor is under
constant surveillance by DHS. Besides, it's not hard to get the permit and
it's the right thing to do. We should not be encouraging circumventing the
rules.  Finally, the original post mentiined Section B but was not specific.
San Jacinto is definitely permit required. 

Thumper



---- Jim Banks
<JimLBanks at verizon.nhttp://www.fs.usda.gov/detailfull/cleveland/about-forest
/?cid=fsbdev7_016467&width=fullet> wrote: 
> We have been through this issue several times on this list serve over 
> the years.  Other than your campfire permit, you only need a permit in 
> designated wilderness areas and to stay in certain improved 
> campgrounds.  If you go to a ranger station they will issue you a 
> permit, but it is not required outside of designated wilderness areas.  
> The portion of the trail that he was inquiring about does not go 
> through any designated wilderness areas other than a tiny corner of 
> Hauser Creek Wilderness, and if you stay on the PCT for that mile or 
> so, the Cleveland National Forest does not require PCT hikers to get a
permit.
> 
> I-Beam
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net 
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Dan C. aka Thumper
> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 4:06 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Question regarding Section A Required Permits
> 
> Not sure why you have this opinion but anytime you are on more than a 
> day hike in the backcountry of a NP, forest or BLM managed land you 
> are required to aquire a permit. In the case of sections A and B the 
> various ranger stations cooperate with one another. The local station 
> in Alpine can be reached at 619.445.6235 and you should be able to 
> arrange a single permit along the PCT between Campo and I-10.
> 
> Thumper
> 
> No, the first place you would need a permit is further north in Section B.
> 
> I-Beam
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at 
> backcountry.net] On Behalf Of paulsnohomish at comcast.net
> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 1:04 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Question regarding Section A Required Permits
> 
> Besides the California Fire Permit, are there any other required 
> permits to hike Section A of the PCT plus part of Section B to the 
> Paradise Valley Cafe?
> 
> Paul
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