[pct-l] QUERY: Is a bug-net going to be necessary between Yosemite and Mt. Whitney during July 23rd to Aug 16th?
Stephen Clark
rowriver at gmail.com
Thu Jul 10 21:07:52 CDT 2014
For the weight, less than 2 oz., why stress over whether one may or may not
be needed?
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Hubbard Rick <rick at rickhubbard.org> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> If one has deet, is a bug-net going to be necessary between Yosemite and
> Mt. Whitney during July 23rd to Aug 16th?
>
> When I hiked north on the PCT in 2002 (mid June to early July) it was no
> problem at all. Does it change as temps get warmer?
>
> Your thoughts?
>
> Rick
>
> Rick Hubbard
> 12 Woodbine Street
> South Burlington, VT 05403
> Email: rick at rickhubbard.org
> Cell: 802-999-3905
>
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> > 4. PCT Hikers Deported (hiker97 at aol.com)
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> > 12. Re: "Business"...."THE NATURE OF THE BEAST" (walt Durling)
> > 13. Trees down in Section L (Charles Williams)
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> > 15. Limits on the numbers of JMT hikers (Tim Umstead)
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> > Fundraising (dsaufley)
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> > From: Bill Weber <billweberx at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] iPhone trekking pole holder?
> > Date: July 9, 2014 at 1:12:23 PM EDT
> > To: Michael Irving <michaeljirving at gmail.com>, Brian Gill <
> pctpanama at aol.com>, pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Reply-To: Bill Weber <billweberx at yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> > That does look like a good deal! Only issue might be delivery. It
> ships from Hong Kong. I've purchased from China before and it took 8 weeks
> to arrive. By the time I got it, I had forgotten that I ordered it.
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:50 AM, Michael Irving <
> michaeljirving at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I use a Case Star Phone Mount.
> >
> >
> http://www.amazon.com/Case-Cellphone-Smartphone-Samsung-BlackBerry/dp/B00CR74FKA/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1404919721&sr=8-12&keywords=case+star+holder
> >
> > It's super cheap ($5) and threads to the StickPic or any other tripod (I
> > use StickPic and a Joby Gorillapod). It's light at only 17 grams and
> has a
> > spring-loaded clamp to hold the phone which is super easy and flexilble
> to
> > use.
> >
> > -GoalTech
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Brian Gill <pctpanama at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Can anyone suggest a device that will hold my iPhone to the end of my
> >> trekking pole for self video on Trail? I have the stickpen but that's
> for
> >> threaded cameras .... Also what seems to be the best iPhone backup
> battery
> >> on trail?
> >>
> >> "Sent from my iPhone"
> >>
> >> Brian
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> > From: "Mary Kwart" <mkwart at gci.net>
> > Subject: [pct-l] Trees Down in Section L
> > Date: July 9, 2014 at 2:35:21 PM EDT
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net, tokencivilian at yahoo.com
> >
> >
> > Barry talked about trail angels putting more effort into trail work
> > rather than food and drink on the trail. Many trail angels are older
> > people who want to help hikers and cannot do the physical work of
> > trail maintenance. The PCT is evolving as a trail experience, both for
> > those hiking the trail and the larger trail community, which includes
> > people in towns along the way, trail angels who don't hike and those
> > who maintain an interest in reading about the trail. At one time there
> > was no trail tread--then someone had an idea to develop this trail.
> > Now there is trail tread. Some would argue that putting in a trail
> > tread is trail "magic" that is inappropriate to wilderness--you should
> > just go cross country in its most primitive form. And so it
> > goes--water caches, food, rides, etc etc. Each one an escalation of
> > trail magic. I believe it will all self regulate as the trail
> > evolves.I don't reject this evolution because I believe the trail will
> > cease to exist if it doesn't evolve along with the interaction of the
> > surrounding trail community--including those who can't do trail work
> > and those who don't hike at all but support the trail. I also use
> > water from caches, believing this is a good part of the
> > trail/community evolution.
> >
> > I hiked my first section of the PCT in 1976. There were trail angels
> > back then, but they didn't call themselves trail angels--they were
> > just good people who wanted to help hikers.I also don't consider
> > evolving forms of trail magic to be somehow violating a kind of trail
> > "purity" that we experienced in the 70's. I say let it
> > evolve--beer,burgers, water, rides.
> >
> > That being said, I do advocate those who physically can to join trail
> > maintenance projects, but realize that the greater group of people who
> > support the trail cannot physically do that kind of work. I don't want
> > them to be shut out of being part of the trail experience. They will
> > help the PCT survive and thrive.
> > --Fireweed
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "dsaufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] Donna Saufley/Hiker Heaven Stance on Trail Angel
> Fundraising
> > Date: July 9, 2014 at 4:19:36 PM EDT
> > To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Reply-To: dsaufley at sprynet.com
> >
> >
> > I post quite infrequently on this list, but am doing so preemptively
> today. A fellow named Eric B. Fuller has proposed creating a trail angel
> fundraising non-profit all over Facebook, and who knows where else.
> Directly below is my response to Eric’s message. Eric’s message is
> directly below mine. He has posted this intent in emails and on Facebook.
> I have posted my response to him everywhere I’ve found his posts. I have
> also told Eric publicly that I will bring legal action to stop any attempt
> by him to leverage me or Hiker Heaven in his fund raising efforts. So this
> is my way of getting word out there that Donna Lynn “L-Rod” Saufley, Floyd
> Jefferson Saufley, and Hiker Heaven do not endorse or support this fund
> raising attempt in any way. I would greatly appreciate any information
> that would indicate that Mr. Fuller ever uses us (our names, images, or
> references) in any way in his campaign to legitimize his efforts. Thank
> you.
> >
> >
> >
> > Donna “L-Rod” Saufley
> >
> >
> >
> > ***************************
> >
> > Eric:
> >
> >
> >
> > Here’s my $.02:
> >
> >
> >
> > I appreciate your enthusiasm, but frankly I don’t know who you are. You
> came out of nowhere with a failed record attempt, and have spent more time
> promoting yourself and trying to develop a non-profit than you have on the
> trail or in the trail angel community. In fact, you’ve promoted yourself
> more on your failed attempt than actual successful record holders have
> about themselves. This puts red flags on the field for me. On your
> Facebook page you state “ Long Distance Speed Hiker <
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Long-Distance-Speed-Hiker/274285892722994>
> at Pacific Crest Trail <
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pacific-Crest-Trail/105616572804764> and
> Chairman <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Chairman-CEO/101256216649658> &
> CEO at Eric B. Fuller, Inc. <
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Eric-B-Fuller-Inc/467010510064112> ” None
> of this is credible in my opinion. For me it takes time to build trust,
> and a reputation. I cannot speak for others, but you have not earned this
> with me personally.
> >
> >
> >
> > As far as I know, no one in the trail angel community is asking you to
> assist or promote them. You should ask trail angels whether they want to
> be featured on your site or promoted by you. Other sites have provided this
> courtesy. You did not ask me. You seem to be seeking to legitimize your
> own non-profit attempts by leveraging the kindness of trail angels without
> their permission. I do not give you permission to do that with me or Hiker
> Heaven. You do not have the right to use what I do to build your own
> non-profit. If others are okay with this, that is their business, but
> please leave me out of it until such time, if or when, I choose to be a
> part of it.
> >
> >
> >
> > There are a host of reasons (pardon the pun) to NOT promote the needs of
> trail angels in broader audiences. What we do can be very dicey when it
> comes to municipal and county authorities. If we receive funds in the
> public eye, we may then be forced to account for the funding and pay taxes
> ourselves on it. You can unleash a cascade of bureaucratic frustrations,
> and even get trail angels shut down (as has happened to Tom Figueroa in
> Kennedy Meadows). Sorry, but no thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > I really think you should channel your energy into supporting the PCTA.
> They can really use people who want to do fund raising to support the
> trail and are structured to handle the accounting and accountability that
> comes along with receiving corporate donations.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry to be a wet blanket on all your humble enthusiasm.
> >
> >
> >
> > Donna Saufley
> >
> >
> >
> > *********************************
> >
> > From: Eric Fuller [mailto:efuller at planhike.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 5:14 PM
> > To: 'sam white'
> > Cc: (removed)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> http://trailangelfund.org/2014/07/08/eric-fullers-charitable-intentions-for-the-trail-angel-fund-and-associated-organizations/
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Sam!
> >
> >
> >
> > This might be a lot for us all to take in.. so please read through this
> when you have the time and please pass it along to other concerned trail
> angels, hikers and any charitable minded nature lovers you know..
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for including me in your email and inviting me to the meeting
> that took place today.
> >
> > I apologize for not being able to attend.. Things have been a bit
> challenging since the car broke down when Kelli extracted me from Barrel
> Spring on what.. I think it was the 11th.. or 12th.. We just got the car
> back finally.. Just couldn’t respond quick enough to get up there today..
> >
> >
> >
> > My heart is in this and I am excited that your looking at the websites I
> am developing for our community of hikers to use as tools in the planning
> of their hikes and then during the actual hikes themselves..
> >
> >
> >
> > I am humbled that Whitney La Ruffa with ALDHA-West contacted me and
> asked if it’s ok for them to feature a link to www.TrailAngelList.org
> “since you have a nice clean and concise list for people to use”
> >
> >
> >
> > I am humbled that the PCTA.org site has sent numerous referrals to each
> of the sites and even featured my sar story in their twitter account..
> >
> >
> >
> > I am humbled that many trail angels have contacted me to be added to the
> trail angel list already.. I feel that I have barely touched the tip of the
> iceberg though.. and that’s just for the PCT.. not to mention other trails
> around the world..
> >
> >
> >
> > I love to showcase folks like Tom Kennedy over there on the AT who works
> for that hike for mental illness non profit..
> >
> > I love to bring awareness.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am humbled that Tortoise has taken an interest in what I am doing and
> that Jason Moores reached out to me with some great ideas!
> >
> > I still owe Jason a response actually.. Maybe one of you can forward
> this email to him?
> >
> >
> >
> > In response to Jason, I feel a great desire to help others gain
> awareness and build market share.. What I feel Jason and the Wolverines’s
> are doing is wonderful and amazing work and I do not want to take anything
> away from that whatsoever. My dreams are not to monopolize fundraising nor
> become a banker for the other fund raising events.. but to help them build
> market share by sharing their links with our followers and promoting their
> banners and such in our blog and pages..
> >
> >
> >
> > The plan is to build our own fund so that we can branch out to other
> area’s in life like big corporations that have earmarked green dollars
> which can only be captured through 501c3 organizations.. To Build it up to
> where the non-profit donations become tax deductible.. That is the golden
> ticket and in my humble opinion is what a non-profit should dream of
> being.. So the bottom line is that I am hoping to inspire people to get off
> the couch and I am attempting to build public awareness to the needs of
> trail angels, trail communities, and I certainly hope to inspire people to
> pick up after themselves and others..
> >
> >
> >
> > And I would like for the non-profit to give back to other non-profits
> once it’s annual objectives are met thus paying it forward to the trail
> communities and other important humanitarian, green non profits, etc that
> could use some funds to continue their greatness..
> >
> >
> >
> > All of this controlled by hopefully a tight group of concerned trail
> angels and hikers sitting on our boards and attending out meetings.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am truly floored and humbled by this experience and feel that my work
> here is extremely important!
> >
> > Lives are at stake out there and I’ve nearly died at least once that I’m
> aware of just from running out of water on the pacific crest trail..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> http://planhike.com/2014/06/15/hiker-dying-of-thirst-rescued-on-the-pacific-crest-trail-skywalker-books/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> http://planhike.com/2014/04/09/eric-fullers-pacific-crest-trail-sar-experiences-and-plans/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I’m building trail angel list http://trailangellist.org <
> http://trailangellist.org/> , a trail angel fund
> http://trailangelfund.org <http://trailangelfund.org/> , a trail trash
> clean up network http://trailtrashcleanup.org <
> http://trailtrashcleanup.org/> and I’m setting up a trail angel
> association to be the think tank and pool from which to draw the board of
> directors from for the non profit I’m going set up to manage the
> fundraising activities..
> >
> >
> >
> > I’m not sure if any of this makes sense to you or if it all sounds
> outlandish or dreamish.. but I can tell you this.. I’m already building
> this slowly but surely!
> >
> >
> >
> > If your interested in joining the non profit association as a charter
> member.. I’m setting it up very soon and will set it up so that anyone who
> joins in the first 90 days will be a charter member.. considering a $15
> annual association dues.. “The Trail Angel Association”
> >
> > I’m preparing the organizational documents as you read this and will
> display them online once executed and filed over the next couple of days.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am hoping that it will become an important association for trail
> angels, hikers and green humanitarian like people to want to join..
> Because they see that great works that we do and want to be a part of it!
> >
> >
> >
> > All fundraising activities are to be documented and made transparent and
> online so people can see their money in action and read up on the
> financials.
> >
> >
> >
> > It will certainly grow faster with your help and support!
> >
> >
> >
> > Please Consider Joining My Wife, Children and I in furthering these
> efforts!
> >
> >
> >
> > I don’t want to control this!
> >
> >
> >
> > My intentions are grow this butterfly with my own blood, sweat and tears
> and then set it free!
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank You Kindly!
> >
> >
> >
> > Eric B. Fuller (Hundy)
> >
> >
> >
> > p.s. I just posted this up for you Sam!
> http://trailtrashcleanup.org/2014/07/08/planning-a-litter-pickup-at-58cameron-trailhead-saturday-july-12-7-a-m/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > here on the PCT-L because I have told Eric that if he utilizes me or
> Hiker Heaven in any way to promote proposed non-profit, I will take legal
> actions to stop him.
> >
> >
> >
> > Donna Saufley
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: hiker97 at aol.com
> > Subject: [pct-l] PCT Hikers Deported
> > Date: July 9, 2014 at 4:59:03 PM EDT
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> >
> >
> >
> > Grizzly and his wife, Traildust,were with some their senior PCT hiking
> friends down at the trailtown saloonenjoying a few cool ones with hot pizza.
> > All at once one of theirhiking buddies walks into the saloon. Heblurts
> out that he just heard that the Central Government will announce in afew
> days that they will start deporting senior citizens instead of the
> currentfolks flooding the U.S.
> > “The reason for this bigchange is simple. They need to lower
> SocialSecurity and Medicare costs big time. Secondly, the seniors will not
> remember how to get back home. I thought of all of you and headed down
> hereto say my goodbyes.”
> > “As I was rushing here, itdawned on me why should I be in a hurry, I
> will see you on the bus.”
> > ---------------------------
> > Your obedient servant and trail rascal,
> > Switchback the Trail Pirate
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Tim Umstead <tumstead96 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] "Business"...."THE NATURE OF THE BEAST"
> > Date: July 9, 2014 at 5:04:11 PM EDT
> > To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> >
> >
> > I agree about the water caches. They are not needed. None of them.
> Many
> > people hiked the trail before there were caches and made it. My wife
> and I
> > were two of them. We never ran out of water. You either learn to carry
> > the water you will need or you got off the trail. The water caches are a
> > luxury. Maybe a little less hand holding in S. Ca will make the
> > thru-hikers more self-reliant and feel less entitled.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Eric Fuller <efuller at planhike.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Donna Saufley/Hiker Heaven Stance on Trail Angel
> Fundraising
> > Date: July 9, 2014 at 5:09:53 PM EDT
> > To: "dsaufley at sprynet.com" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> > Cc: "<pct-l at backcountry.net>" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your vote of confidence Donna! Your not in the list nor does
> it look like you will be.. No worries.. Your thought are duly noted.. Thank
> you!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 9, 2014, at 1:19 PM, "dsaufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I post quite infrequently on this list, but am doing so preemptively
> today. A fellow named Eric B. Fuller has proposed creating a trail angel
> fundraising non-profit all over Facebook, and who knows where else.
> Directly below is my response to Eric’s message. Eric’s message is
> directly below mine. He has posted this intent in emails and on Facebook.
> I have posted my response to him everywhere I’ve found his posts. I have
> also told Eric publicly that I will bring legal action to stop any attempt
> by him to leverage me or Hiker Heaven in his fund raising efforts. So this
> is my way of getting word out there that Donna Lynn “L-Rod” Saufley, Floyd
> Jefferson Saufley, and Hiker Heaven do not endorse or support this fund
> raising attempt in any way. I would greatly appreciate any information
> that would indicate that Mr. Fuller ever uses us (our names, images, or
> references) in any way in his campaign to legitimize his efforts. Thank
> you.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Donna “L-Rod” Saufley
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ***************************
> >>
> >> Eric:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Here’s my $.02:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I appreciate your enthusiasm, but frankly I don’t know who you are.
> You came out of nowhere with a failed record attempt, and have spent more
> time promoting yourself and trying to develop a non-profit than you have on
> the trail or in the trail angel community. In fact, you’ve promoted
> yourself more on your failed attempt than actual successful record holders
> have about themselves. This puts red flags on the field for me. On your
> Facebook page you state “ Long Distance Speed Hiker <
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Long-Distance-Speed-Hiker/274285892722994>
> at Pacific Crest Trail <
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pacific-Crest-Trail/105616572804764> and
> Chairman <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Chairman-CEO/101256216649658> &
> CEO at Eric B. Fuller, Inc. <
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Eric-B-Fuller-Inc/467010510064112> ” None
> of this is credible in my opinion. For me it takes time to build trust,
> and a reputation. I cannot speak for others, but you have not earned this
> with me personally.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> As far as I know, no one in the trail angel community is asking you to
> assist or promote them. You should ask trail angels whether they want to
> be featured on your site or promoted by you. Other sites
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Michael Irving <michaeljirving at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] iPhone trekking pole holder?
> > Date: July 9, 2014 at 5:22:44 PM EDT
> > To: Bill Weber <billweberx at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>, Brian Gill <pctpanama at aol.com>
> >
> >
> > If you just search on Amazon you may find various vendors. They are
> > commonly bundled with small tripods too that are sold domestically.
> (That's
> > how I got my first one) I had to replace it after I stepped on it and
> > cracked the plastic around the mount.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Bill Weber <billweberx at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> That does look like a good deal! Only issue might be delivery. It
> ships
> >> from Hong Kong. I've purchased from China before and it took 8 weeks to
> >> arrive. By the time I got it, I had forgotten that I ordered it.
> >> Bill
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 9:50 AM, Michael Irving <
> >> michaeljirving at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I use a Case Star Phone Mount.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.amazon.com/Case-Cellphone-Smartphone-Samsung-BlackBerry/dp/B00CR74FKA/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1404919721&sr=8-12&keywords=case+star+holder
> >>
> >> It's super cheap ($5) and threads to the StickPic or any other tripod (I
> >> use StickPic and a Joby Gorillapod). It's light at only 17 grams and
> has a
> >> spring-loaded clamp to hold the phone which is super easy and flexilble
> to
> >> use.
> >>
> >> -GoalTech
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Brian Gill <pctpanama at aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Can anyone suggest a device that will hold my iPhone to the end of my
> >>> trekking pole for self video on Trail? I have the stickpen but that's
> >> for
> >>> threaded cameras .... Also what seems to be the best iPhone backup
> >> battery
> >>> on trail?
> >>>
> >>> "Sent from my iPhone"
> >>>
> >>> Brian
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> > From: Barry Teschlog <tokencivilian at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trees Down in Section L
> > Date: July 9, 2014 at 7:44:03 PM EDT
> > To: Mary Kwart <mkwart at gci.net>, "pct-l at backcountry.net" <
> pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Reply-To: Barry Teschlog <tokencivilian at yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> > Yes, Mary / Fireweed, many Angels are older and many, both young and
> old, aren't physically able to do the "dig in the dirt" kind of trail work.
> I'm not advocating that they be shut out, on the contrary, I'm asking that
> all Angels consider expanding their minds to consider other options of how
> they can help the hikers by helping the trail. I'd add that by helping the
> trail (and thereby helping people, instead of helping the people directly)
> there isn't any tendency to foster the ill side effects that the
> proliferation in the soda / burger / beer "magic" has (IMO on those ill
> side effects).
> >
> >
> > In case you and other Angels weren't aware, on our trail crew, we have
> many 70+ year olds, and a few 80+ year olds who are out there digging in
> the dirt. You're absolutely right that it's not for everyone at those ages
> (or even for younger folks), but these older guys and gals on the crew know
> how to get it on with axe, saw, shovel and lopper. Many probably are not
> as quick as the younger folks, but that's OK, since some is better than
> none and most of the older volunteers are very experienced in the tricks of
> the trade, know how to do it right and make excellent mentors to the less
> experienced volunteers.
> >
> >
> > Even if a person is incapable of the physical aspects of trail crew
> (chopping, sawing, digging, lopping, etc), that doesn't mean they can't be
> of incredibly valuable service to their local crew, and therefore by
> extension to the trail, and by further extension and to ALL the hikers, now
> and well on into the future. A trail crew is a team, and needs everyone
> working together, with all the roles filled, to be fully effective. A
> quarterback needs the offensive line, the pitcher needs a catcher, a race
> car driver is ineffective without a solid pit crew (and engine builder, and
> body mechanic, and....). The QB might throw the winning touchdown, but it
> wouldn't happen without the line or the person making sure his equipment is
> in order, the pitcher might get credit for a no hitter, but without the
> catcher and solid play from the fielders, it would never happen. The
> engine builder or gas can guy on the pit crew takes the checkered flag on
> race day as
> > much as the person at the wheel does.
> >
> >
> > Here's a question: Do you know what other roles we need on our trail
> crew besides dirt volunteers, none of which requires using any tool more
> complex than car or consumer electronics, nor is more physical?
> >
> >
> > We need camp cooks / hosts for our car camp trail crew trips. It's a
> relief to the crew to know that their sleeping bag and tent & stuff will
> be there, unpilfered at the dispersed camp site on the side of a Forest
> Road at the end of a day, guarded by the cook / host, who for most of the
> day is doing nothing more difficult than reading a pleasant book in the
> shade. It's a huge benefit to the crew to come back to big pitchers of
> cold sports drinks and hors d'ouvers all laid out after a hot day of
> cutting brush. To have the solar showers sitting out, all warmed up, after
> digging dusty tread all day is real "Magic" for the crew, who are out there
> doing their magic to the trail. And think of the increased effectiveness
> and efficiency for the dirt crew, as a cook / host allows the crew to be
> able to hit the trail earlier in the day, and staying later in the
> afternoon, since someone else is taking care of breakfast dishes, and doing
> the early prep for
> > dinner. I'll add to this that the better we take care of our dirt
> volunteers, the more likely they'll come back in the future (and that's one
> of the huge leverage points a camp cook / host has). Effort level -
> cooking, dishes, food prep, mostly morning and evening, mid part of day is
> kicking back. Benefit - crew able to work longer and has a more positive
> experience, increasing likelihood of coming back for more in the future.
> >
> >
> > We're doing log out in a bit over a week on 40 miles of trail south of
> I-90 / Snoqualmie Pass. We could sure use some nice safe drivers with an
> SUV willing to shuttle the crew from the exit points to the start points.
> That would save a lot of time for the saw teams in having to arrange the
> shuttle amongst themselves to fetch the cars at the end of the day, time
> they can spend covering more miles of trail, cutting more logs, fixing more
> things as they go. It would also be great if one of these drivers would be
> willing to just hang out and the end of day meeting point, as the various
> teams will finish their sections as different times. They could collect up
> the tools and sign out the teams as they finish, allowing the crew lead to
> spend more time in the field since they wouldn't have to insure that
> they're the first one back. Effort level - driving, hanging out, and a bit
> of paperwork. Benefit - allows crew to spend more time in the field
> > working on the trail, less fatigue getting to / from trail, one way
> trips allow more miles of "new" trail to be covered for the same distance
> walked.
> >
> >
> > Can a person still hike? Can they work a GPS and write? Are they
> observant and able to be trained in what trail work needs to be done?
> Excellent, you've just qualified as a trail scout. We need people willing
> to get out and hike the trail and report back what they find, in detail -
> no digging or sawing required, just walking. As a crew lead, I need to
> know what tools I'll need, how much of a problem there is, where it is,
> exactly, how many logs are down, how big they are, complicating factors,
> etc. In short, actionable information. Without it, we're flying blind,
> and far less effective than we could be. YOU could be this person if
> you're still able to get out and walk a few miles of trail. Effort level -
> walking. Benefit - saves dirt volunteers from this task, allowing their
> limited hours to be spent doing actual work on the trail.
> >
> >
> > Can you run a computer? Are you organized? Can you keep track of
> names? Can you write a coherent e-mail? Can you shuffle & file paperwork?
> Detail oriented? Reliable? Great, you just qualified to be our trail
> crew's volunteer coordinator and paperwork person. All of us volunteer
> crew leads only have so many hours to put into the volunteer efforts.
> Relieve me and our other volunteer crew leads of having to do the
> paperwork and we'll have more time available to be in the field, fixing
> tread and cutting brush and clearing blow down. I'd love to show up at the
> tool cache Friday morning (when I'm taking a brushing team out) to find a
> packet with all my paperwork there - the sign in sheet with everyone who's
> said they'll be there, the Trail head Communication Plan all filled out,
> the correct Job Hazard Analysis all printed out, the volunteers all
> informed with detailed directions, etc. But instead, I'll spend an hour or
> so getting this all
> > together on my own (and by extension use up another hour of the "hall
> passes" I get to go play on the trail, an hour that could be spent in the
> field instead). Effort level - clicky, clicky, clicky, print, print, print
> on a computer plus being organized. Benefit - takes a load off crew
> leaders so they can focus their energy and effort on the project, allows
> crew leaders to spend more time in the field
> >
> >
> > Are you a good photographer? Great....we'd love someone to take
> pictures & video for us on a regular basis, that we could post on the crew
> Facebook page. Yep, PR matters and pretty pictures & video help to recruit
> new volunteers. I can't count how many times on a crew where I've thought
> it would be great to get some pictures, but was too busy keeping things
> organized, or doing a field repair on a balky brush saw, or making sure
> everyone was being safe, etc to break into the pack to grab the phone /
> camera to take some pictures. As a saw team leader, I need to focus on
> keeping the team safe and directing the crew in the cuts, instead of
> shooting video of the great "release" when that log is finally cut free and
> bounds down the hill on the carefully placed skids. Your great photo or
> video may be the one that catches the eye of some strong, young kid and
> turns them toward volunteerism. Effort level - walk out with the crew and
> take pictures and
> > video. Post work party editing and posting. Benefit - increases number
> of volunteers joining trail crews.
> >
> > Tool maintainer. It would be nice to have a person dedicated to
> maintaining our tools. There's nothing worse than a dull cutting
> implement. Properly sharpened tools make the dirt workers more effective.
> Replacing broken handles increases our available tool supply. Effort
> level - filing, using bench grinder, bench level wood working (handle
> replacement), painting. Benefit - well maintained tools make a worker more
> effective in the field - compare chopping a log with a dull axe versus a
> sharp one.
> >
> > Here's one right up the alley for some Angles: Host your local trail
> crew. The Dinsmores just hosted us for a work party we did on June 28-29
> at Stevens Pass. It was a rainy weekend, and having a dry place to go back
> to, relatively close to the trail, was a welcome respite from the rain.
> Our crew effectiveness was increased measurably as we were able to get 17
> people to do both days of this work party - without the camping at the
> Dinsmores, I KNOW for a fact we wouldn't have had all those people for both
> days, most would have been only single day volunteers.
> >
> >
> > Mary / Fireweed (and any other Angels that think they're not physical
> enough to be part of trail crew), in short, pretty much if a person is up
> and kicking, they can contribute to your local trail crew in some minimally
> physical to non-physical way that makes the dirt / saw workers far more
> productive and efficient. If a person can drive hikers to town, they can
> shuttle a saw team to an entry point. If a person can haul and stock
> coolers and flip burgers for "magic", they can be the cook / host for a
> trail crew car camp trip. If they're handy with a computer, they can
> coordinate and relieve crew leads of paperwork. If they're still able to
> hike a few miles, they can scout conditions or be a photographer. Each one
> of these things allows a "dirt" worker to spend that much more time or
> energy in the dirt and to be more effective.
> >
> > Mary / Fireweek, I think I've demonstrated multiple ways of how you and
> anyone else of practically any physical ability level, pretty much CAN be
> part of your local trail crew and make a huge contribution in this manner
> even without working "in the dirt". I'll add that from our mid-August and
> on to September and early October work parties, we get plenty of
> interaction with the thru hikers here in Washington, so there's that too.
> >
> >
> > Oh, and if a person is even only minimally physical, there often times
> are many things that you CAN do "in the dirt". For our crew on Friday,
> we're literally driving to where the trail crosses a road and will start
> working there. We'll make it in about 1/2 mile, tops, for a daily mileage
> of a mile.....on pretty much flat ground.....and if someone on the crew
> can't do much physically, I have a couple of perfect jobs for them where
> the work is necessary, but not physically demanding......and we're (like
> all crews) a work at your own pace bunch, with a motto of "break early,
> break often" with chit chat being encouraged.....and we don't have a
> production quota.....but if you want to bust your backside with hard
> physical work, we won't say no to that either - we have a pick-mattock or
> grub hoe waiting for those folks, and plenty of slough and berm to take
> care of..
> >
> >
> > Respectfully submitted for your consideration.
> >
> > Barry
> >
> > PS - On that driver thing....we're looking at some work parties in
> future years that where we'll need people to drive our volunteers from
> North Bend to outside of Darrington (128 miles)......and then pick up the
> crew in Chelan after they take the boat down from Stehekin and return them
> to North Bend (151 miles) several days later. We'd like to put in a crew
> in on the Suiattle River north of Glacier Peak so they can "one way" to
> Stehekin, performing maintenance as they go. No digging in the dirt
> required for the volunteer drivers....just driving. Without volunteers
> willing to be drivers, this crew is logistically impractical. Another such
> work party that is logistically impractical without dedicated drivers would
> be a drop off at Hart's Pass, with a pick up at Manning. Or from Rainy
> Pass / Highway 20 to Stehekin / Chelan. There are several other one way
> trips that only make sense if we can get drivers to haul the crew from the
> exit point
> > (where they'll meet and park their cars) to the entry point at the
> beginning of a trip, then the crew works back to their cars. We'd love to
> have you drive for us Fireweed.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Mary Kwart <mkwart at gci.net>
> >> To: pct-l at backcountry.net; tokencivilian at yahoo.com
> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2014 11:35 AM
> >> Subject: Trees Down in Section L
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Barry talked about trail angels putting more effort into trail work
> rather than food and drink on the trail. Many trail angels are older people
> who want to help hikers and cannot do the physical work of trail
> maintenance. The PCT is evolving as a trail experience, both for those
> hiking the trail and the larger trail community, which includes people in
> towns along the way, trail angels who don't hike and those who maintain an
> interest in reading about the trail. At one time there was no trail
> tread--then someone had an idea to develop this trail. Now there is trail
> tread. Some would argue that putting in a trail tread is trail "magic" that
> is inappropriate to wilderness--you should just go cross country in its
> most primitive form. And so it goes--water caches, food, rides, etc etc.
> Each one an escalation of trail magic. I believe it will all self regulate
> as the trail evolves.I don't reject this evolution because I believe the
> trail will cease to exist
> > if it doesn't evolve along with the interaction of the surrounding trail
> community--including those who can't do trail work and those who don't hike
> at all but support the trail. I also use water from caches, believing this
> is a good part of the trail/community evolution.
> >>
> >> I hiked my first section of the PCT in 1976. There were trail angels
> back then, but they didn't call themselves trail angels--they were just
> good people who wanted to help hikers.I also don't consider evolving forms
> of trail magic to be somehow violating a kind of trail "purity" that we
> experienced in the 70's. I say let it evolve--beer,burgers, water, rides.
> >>
> >> That being said, I do advocate those who physically can to join trail
> maintenance projects, but realize that the greater group of people who
> support the trail cannot physically do that kind of work. I don't want them
> to be shut out of being part of the trail experience. They will help the
> PCT survive and thrive.
> >> --Fireweed
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> > Subject: [pct-l] High Speed Trail Builder
> > Date: July 9, 2014 at 8:24:35 PM EDT
> > To: "PCT List Forum" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> >
> >
> > It's called an excavator mulcher.
> >
> > Just think how rapidly it could build new trail or clear an existing one
> > where blow-down left a mass of pickup sticks.
> >
> > Just stay a long ways out of its reach!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2014/07/02/327243804/watch-it-swallow-an-e
> > ntire-tree-in-seconds
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] High Speed Trail Builder
> > Date: July 9, 2014 at 8:27:16 PM EDT
> > To: PCT List Forum <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> >
> >
> > it would be really fast, after you graded a road for those tank treads.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Bob Bankhead <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >> It's called an excavator mulcher.
> >>
> >> Just think how rapidly it could build new trail or clear an existing one
> >> where blow-down left a mass of pickup sticks.
> >>
> >> Just stay a long ways out of its reach!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2014/07/02/327243804/watch-it-swallow-an-e
> >> ntire-tree-in-seconds
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
> > From: Jennifer Zuber <jennzuber at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] House/Pet-Sitting Opportunity
> > Date: July 9, 2014 at 8:55:46 PM EDT
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> >
> >
> > Stay in my home for free in exchange for pet-sitting my German
> Shorthaired
> > Pointer.
> >
> > I'm a PCT and SHR thru-hiker that's trying to find dog care so I can
> > backpack the Hayduke Trail this autumn. This is in a small town just west
> > of Spokane, WA. The house is nice and my dog is lovely. The biggest
> > requirement for this job is to take her out for her daily excursions. She
> > needs tons of exercise. The dates are flexible, but roughly mid August
> > through late November. Please email me asap if you're interested as I'm
> > trying to figure out this major piece of the planning puzzle! I hope
> > there's a win-win out there somewhere. Pass the word!
> >
> > Thanks so much you guys, Jennifer Spiderwoman Zuber
> >
> > jennzuber at gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: walt Durling <durlfam4 at icloud.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] "Business"...."THE NATURE OF THE BEAST"
> > Date: July 9, 2014 at 9:20:22 PM EDT
> > To: Tim Umstead <tumstead96 at gmail.com>
> > Cc: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> >
> >
> > All this discussion about TAs seem to either hint at the point, or to
> miss it. The PCT is a national scenic trail, so designated. In essence,
> it's there for the people. I had the privilege of meeting Fireweed several
> weeks ago in Oregon, and she made what I think is an apt observation: Not
> only the hikers enjoy the trail, but the communities along its path, and
> many businesses make a profit from it. If individuals want to contribute
> in their own way with helping out hikers, who are we to criticize them?
> It's their contribution to this trail. No one forces anyone to partake of
> trail magic, whether its a water cache or a bed for overnight, or a ride to
> and from the trailhead.
> >
> > IMO, leaving water at select locations, for example, does not somehow
> make the trail "impure," nor does it detract from the trail "experience."
> Yes, some hikers foolishly count on caches, but I'm pretty sure even they
> get religion rather quickly when the cache they thought was there, wasn't.
> It's pretty difficult to "cheat" by carrying only minimal water and
> counting on others to get you through. Besides, there are many long
> stretches along the trail where water is absent and where no one leaves
> water caches.
> >
> > As to the trail having to bear too many hikers, I agree that might pose
> problems, especially where the main body of hikers tend to congregate on
> the same stretches simply because of the window for thru-hiking. I suppose
> anything can be loved to death or suffer from overuse. People discover the
> trail in different ways, and experience it for many different reasons. We
> should celebrate the trail's success. After all, that's why it's there!
> I, for one, do not foresee contingency plans to limit the number of hikers,
> like the JMT. And in spite of the occasional overload on certain sections,
> the trail does not appear to be suffering. Of course, trail maintenance is
> critical, and kudos are always in order for those who perform such critical
> work.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Jul 9, 2014, at 17:04, Tim Umstead <tumstead96 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I agree about the water caches. They are not needed. None of them.
> Many
> >> people hiked the trail before there were caches and made it. My wife
> and I
> >> were two of them. We never ran out of water. You either learn to carry
> >> the water you will need or you got off the trail. The water caches are
> a
> >> luxury. Maybe a little less hand holding in S. Ca will make the
> >> thru-hikers more self-reliant and feel less entitled.
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> > From: Charles Williams <charlesnolie at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] Trees down in Section L
> > Date: July 9, 2014 at 10:29:02 PM EDT
> > To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Reply-To: Charles Williams <charlesnolie at yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> > As far as the trees down in Section L, I cleared from FR07 to well into
> the Plumas and nearly all the way to the Middle Fork of the Feather River
> last year. It was the first time it had been done for a while and it was
> literly 100's of blowdowns.
> >
> > It's on my list to work on this year as well, however I chose to do 2
> week long trips in early June (Hat Creek Trail Maintenance for one week and
> a backpacking trip in the Inyo with my aging father the second week). When
> I got back I tried to fit in a couple log out trips, but heat and dryness
> have made using chainsaws difficult this year, earlier than in previous
> years. Some days we can't use them at all and some days we can only work
> till 1pm because of fire restrictions.
> >
> > I'm sorry if your impression of a section that I have agreed to clear of
> blowdowns was sub-par, but I'm hopeful with the rain we just got last
> night, that we can get some work done now that I'm back from a crosscut saw
> log-out of the Lassen Volcanic National Park.
> >
> > Thanks for the intel on the log out needs, and if you have any other
> information, locations, diameters, etc., please contact me off the list.
> >
> > Charles Williams
> > Pounder's Promise
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Charles Williams <charlesnolie at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] Tree down early in Section M
> > Date: July 9, 2014 at 10:34:08 PM EDT
> > To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Reply-To: Charles Williams <charlesnolie at yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the note about a tree down that might hinder a horseman or
> horsewoman. I'm copying and pasting my response from another post about
> blowdowns in the same area. Bottom line...I'll get to it. Hopefully soon.
> >
> > As far as the trees down in Section L, I cleared from FR07 to well into
> the Plumas and nearly all the way to the Middle Fork of the Feather River
> last year. It was the first time it had been done for a while and it was
> literly 100's of blowdowns.
> > It's on my list to work on this year as well, however I chose to do 2
> week long trips in early June (Hat Creek Trail Maintenance for one week and
> a backpacking trip in the Inyo with my aging father the second week). When
> I got back I tried to fit in a couple log out trips, but heat and dryness
> have made using chainsaws difficult this year, earlier than in previous
> years. Some days we can't use them at all and some days we can only work
> till 1pm because of fire restrictions.
> > I'm sorry if your impression of a section that I have agreed to clear of
> blowdowns was sub-par, but I'm hopeful with the rain we just got last
> night, that we can get some work done now that I'm back from a crosscut saw
> log-out of the Lassen Volcanic National Park.
> > Thanks for the intel on the log out needs, and if you have any other
> information, locations, diameters, etc., please contact me off the list.
> > Charles Williams
> > Pounder's Promise
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Tim Umstead <tumstead96 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] Limits on the numbers of JMT hikers
> > Date: July 10, 2014 at 11:33:51 AM EDT
> > To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> >
> >
> > Just a comment on limited the number of JMT hikers, There is no limit on
> > JMT hikers. There is limits on any hikers starting at a most trail heads
> > and there is a limit on the number of people exiting at Whitney Portal.
> > But that is it. I have heard of many JTM'ers who start at Glacier Point,
> > Snow Creek, Tuolumne Meadow or even Mammoth just to get around the entry
> > quotas. And if you understand the Whitney permit system you can summit
> Mt.
> > Whitney without going through the lottery. If you are willing to add 30
> > miles to the JMT's length you can enter at a trail head with no quota,
> > summit Whitney without going through the lottery and exit at Happy Isles.
> > Hence, with an open mind, unlimited people can hike the JMT.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "dsaufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Donna Saufley/Hiker Heaven Stance on Trail Angel
> Fundraising
> > Date: July 10, 2014 at 12:49:08 PM EDT
> > To: "'Eric Fuller'" <efuller at planhike.com>
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Reply-To: dsaufley at sprynet.com
> >
> >
> > It seems to me Mr. Fuller that you need a reality check. Just exactly
> what is it you've done to build my confidence, or anyone's, before you made
> a huge splash all over the internet about your trail angel fund? I have
> posted this because I don't want people, especially newcomers to the trail
> angel community, to be hoodwinked.
> >
> > (1) You've done nothing in the trail community that establishes your own
> credibility (in fact, the opposite is true).
> > (2) You want money to start a trail angel association trail angels did
> not ask for.
> > (3) You have stated your intentions to represent trail angel needs to
> possible donors, though no one asked you to be our representative.
> > (4) You've ignored existing respected fund raising organizations (The
> Wolverines for trail angels and the PCTA for the trail) and seek to
> duplicate their efforts rather than support them. No one needs a middle man
> to take another slice out of already scare fundraising dollars, but you
> want to nominate yourself to this position.
> > (5) Your idea of having trail angels sit on your board to make decisions
> about which trail angels get money is just insane.
> > (6) Everything you have presented is a regurgitation of information
> available elsewhere, WHICH IS DISCREETLY LOCATED ON PURPOSE!!!
> > (7) You are trying to gain money and attention by leveraging the hard
> work and dedication of trail angels while you yourself have merely created
> (yet another) resource website -- by posting unauthorized information.
> > (8) You are an imitator, not an original. There is already
> www.planyourhike.com
> >
> > Get this straight: where and how trail angels announce their location
> is solely up to them, not you. Some hosts are selective about who and how
> many hikers they host, and when. Because of the sensitive nature of putting
> your home address and phone number out there indicating complete strangers
> can come to your home, trail angels tend to be discreet and post the
> information in locations only thru-hikers visit. By you putting a trail
> angel list on the internet and then promoting the crap out of it, you have
> taken that away, big time. Without permission you have open the doors wide
> for the non-hiking community to impact the trail angels, and taken away
> their to control where, how, and how many people know about them. I suspect
> that some of them do not even know their information is out on the internet
> already. Trail angels can have big problems with squatters and unwelcomed
> homeless visitors. And, to rub salt in the wound, you want to pat yourself
> on the back for that. What you have done is especially unconscionable in
> light of the onslaught that is coming next year after "Wild" hits the
> theaters in December.
> >
> > Others can join forces with you if they wish, but I wanted my opinion to
> be heard loud and clear so maybe they won't be bamboozled by the bullshit I
> smell.
> >
> > Donna Saufley
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eric Fuller [mailto:efuller at planhike.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 2:10 PM
> > To: dsaufley at sprynet.com
> > Cc: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Donna Saufley/Hiker Heaven Stance on Trail Angel
> Fundraising
> >
> > Thanks for your vote of confidence Donna! Your not in the list nor does
> it look like you will be.. No worries.. Your thought are duly noted.. Thank
> you!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 9, 2014, at 1:19 PM, "dsaufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I post quite infrequently on this list, but am doing so preemptively
> today. A fellow named Eric B. Fuller has proposed creating a trail angel
> fundraising non-profit all over Facebook, and who knows where else.
> Directly below is my response to Eric’s message. Eric’s message is
> directly below mine. He has posted this intent in emails and on Facebook.
> I have posted my response to him everywhere I’ve found his posts. I have
> also told Eric publicly that I will bring legal action to stop any attempt
> by him to leverage me or Hiker Heaven in his fund raising efforts. So this
> is my way of getting word out there that Donna Lynn “L-Rod” Saufley, Floyd
> Jefferson Saufley, and Hiker Heaven do not endorse or support this fund
> raising attempt in any way. I would greatly appreciate any information
> that would indicate that Mr. Fuller ever uses us (our names, images, or
> references) in any way in his campaign to legitimize his efforts. Thank
> you.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Donna “L-Rod” Saufley
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ***************************
> >>
> >> Eric:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Here’s my $.02:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I appreciate your enthusiasm, but frankly I don’t know who you are.
> You came out of nowhere with a failed record attempt, and have spent more
> time promoting yourself and trying to develop a non-profit than you have on
> the trail or in the trail angel community. In fact, you’ve promoted
> yourself more on your failed attempt than actual successful record holders
> have about themselves. This puts red flags on the field for me. On your
> Facebook page you state “ Long Distance Speed Hiker <
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Long-Distance-Speed-Hiker/274285892722994>
> at Pacific Crest Trail <
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pacific-Crest-Trail/105616572804764> and
> Chairman <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Chairman-CEO/101256216649658> &
> CEO at Eric B. Fuller, Inc. <
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Eric-B-Fuller-Inc/467010510064112> ” None
> of this is credible in my opinion. For me it takes time to build trust,
> and a reputation. I cannot speak for others, but you have not earned this
> with me personally.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> As far as I know, no one in the trail angel community is asking you to
> assist or promote them. You should ask trail angels whether they want to
> be featured on your site or promoted by you. Other sites
> >
> >
> >
> >
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