[pct-l] Alcohol and Esbit Stoves

[Brick Robbins]

On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Ken Murray <kmurray at dr.com> wrote:
>  *Setting, building, maintaining, attending, or using open fire of any kind is prohibited in the*
>  *designated area. *Controlled flame devices such as portable stoves fueled by petroleum or LPG products
> are allowed only by permit.
>
> Brick, you left out the first sentence. The second sentence provides an exception to the first. Alcohol and Esbit would clearly be banned, because neither runs on "Petroleum or LPG products"

And you left out the words "SUCH AS" which does not strictly limit the
type of stoves to "Petroleum or LPG products" but merely uses them as
examples.

I don't think the PCTA should have changed the words "SUCH AS" to "ONLY."

> I think this is crystal clear. Brick, if you don't, why don't you call the BLM and ask for clarification?

I did. The person who answered the phone didn't know, and was going to
get back to me. I'm still waiting.

My beef with this is that laws and regulation should be clear.

The USFS order clearly mandates stoves with a shutoff valve. The BLM
order does not.  Some  folks are assuming that "controlled flame"
means the same as "has a shutoff valve" without a really good basis.