[pct-l] Alcohol and Esbit Stoves

[Terry]

Brick, I think you are purposely splitting hairs on this to determine for yourself, how you can get around this directive from BLM. 
We All know that alcohol and Esbit stoves are not a "controlled flame devise" as they have no shutoff or flame adjustment devise to control them.  After spending 34 years in the fire service, it's pretty simple for me to understand the intent of this BLM order and quite frankly, it's pretty simple for most layman to understand also.
Another thing, you should address your questions and responses only to the list serve, CC'ing people serves no purpose, as they get your email anyway and it pisses off the list host. 

Terry



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> On Apr 8, 2014, at 4:00 PM, Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:52 PM, David Pex <dpex at pex.net> wrote:
>> I love my esbit stove set-up, but it does not have a shut-off
>> valve. Closures on the PCT to such stoves this year are very specific
>> (certain milepoints).
> 
> There is a difference between the the way that PCTA quoted the BLM
> regs and what the regs really say.
> 
> The BLM used the words "SUCH AS" while the PCTA changed them to "ONLY"
> 
> The BLM stage 2 order order says:
> "Controlled flame devices such as portable stoves fueled by petroleum
> or LPG products are allowed only by permit"
> 
> The PCTA advisory incorrectly quotes the document as:
> "Only controlled flame portable stoves fueled by petroleum or LPG
> products are allowed [campfire permit required for stove use]."
> 
> Nowhere does the BLM order say anything about shutoff valves. I have
> only seen that in USFS regulations that are sometimes issued. I have
> not found any definition for "controlled flame device" in any
> government document that apples to stoves.
> 
> I would really like it if someone could provide a link to an official
> BLM document where the term "controlled flame device" is defined, or
> some other BLM document that mentions shutoff valves in this context
> 
> Thanks.
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