[pct-l] Trekking Poles
Andrea Imholte
pteroflight at yahoo.com
Sun May 26 15:11:48 CDT 2013
Well, somehow the idea of me hiking the PCT has gone from being this vague concept of following a long squiggly line to now looking into the gear and trying to find a time when it will fit it into my life! It's going to be awhile before I can go, but in the meantime I'll be updating my gear and lists, not to mention trying to learn everything possible! I've done several backcountry paddling trips in Northern Minnesota, some hiking in Glacier Park and a day up to the Harding Icefields in Seward.
My first question is about trekking poles. Might anybody have a recommendation for a set of poles that work well on the pct over the miles for women? (I'm about 5' 7" if that matters). Thanks and also thank you for this wonderful listserv!
Andrea
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1. The pebble in your shoe (Walljito)
2. Cannister stove for thru-hike (Simon Deleersnyder)
3. ADZPCTKO 2014 date (Simon Deleersnyder)
4. Desolation Wilderness July 4th (Alan Miller)
5. Re: Cannister stove for thru-hike (Brick Robbins)
6. Re: Cannister stove for thru-hike (Timothy Nye)
7. (no subject) (Dan Jacobs)
8. Re: (no subject) (Jim & Jane Moody)
9. Re: Desolation Wilderness July 4th (Timothy Nye)
10. Cannister stove for thru-hike (linsey)
11. 2013 Class Video (Stephen Clark)
12. Re: 2013 Class Video (Brick Robbins)
13. Re: 2013 Class Video (Terry)
14. Re: Pct-L Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28 (Lost And Found)
15. Re: Pct-L Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28 (Dan Jacobs)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 11:01:32 -0700
From: "Walljito" <wallyneal at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] The pebble in your shoe
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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"It's not the mountain that will get you down
... it's the pebble in your shoe."
Take care of the "pebbles", in whatever form, ASAP!
-Walljito
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 16:24:33 +0200
From: Simon Deleersnyder <simon.deleersnyder at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Cannister stove for thru-hike
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Hi,
I know that a lot of thru-hikers carry an alcohol stove. I read that these
are mainly used for bringing dehydrated mails to a boil and are not ideal
for meals that need simmering. Since I want to have the possibility of
cooking rice, and potatoes I want to take a cannister stove. When hiking
for multiple days without resupplies this would also be lighter than the
alcohol stove.
The main problem is however that I don't know whether gas cannisters are
available in most towns along the PCT. I know that HEET is widely available
but not sure about the gas cannisters. In that case I would have to add
them in my resupply boxes, but this would mean that I would have to send a
box every week or so, and I don't really like that. Anyone that has
experience with gas cannisters, and their availability in towns along the
trail?
I am also not sure whether you can send gas cannisters in mail parcels from
Europe to the USA. Is this legal?
thanks in advance!
Simon
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 16:25:35 +0200
From: Simon Deleersnyder <simon.deleersnyder at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] ADZPCTKO 2014 date
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Hi,
I am planning on doing a 2014 thru-hike of the PCT and am interested to
know when the ADZPCTKO 2014 will take place. I need to know this quite a
long time in advance, since that way I can book a cheaper flight from
Brussels to San Diego. Is this date already known? And if it's not, anyone
knows when it will be?
thanks in advance!
Simon
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 15:14:25 -0400
From: Alan Miller <alan.miller401 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Desolation Wilderness July 4th
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Hi all. My wife and I both love to hike and I have done several
backpacking trips ranging from an overnight in the Grand Canyon to a week
in Yellowstone. It has been a dream of ours to someday hike the PCT.
Earlier this year, we decided that 2014 is the year we finally make it
happen! We both have some time off around the 4th of July this year and we
decided we would spend it on the PCT to test gear and meal plans, and to
just refuel our excitement for the trail. We have tentatively decided on 3
nights through the Desolation Wilderness. We will be beginning and ending
our hike from Echo Lake. We are trying to do the whole trip without
renting a car from the airport, but I can't seem to figure out how to make
the public transportation work to get us from either Sacramento or Reno
airports. Is there anyway to get close to the trailhead with public
transportation or should I just bite the bullet and rent a car? Thanks
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 14:06:46 -0700
From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Cannister stove for thru-hike
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Simon Deleersnyder
<simon.deleersnyder at gmail.com> wrote:
> Since I want to have the possibility of
> cooking rice, and potatoes I want to take a cannister stove.
HYOH, but all I have to say is: 'good luck with that'
I think most hikers would think that better options for a long
distance hike are minute rice and potato flakes.
I can't imagine carrying raw potatoes
Also, fuel canisters can't go by air, so I think you would be much
better off buying them in the USA and shipping them from here.
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 14:39:30 -0700
From: Timothy Nye <timpnye at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Cannister stove for thru-hike
To: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
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I question the supposition that canister stoves have a weight premium over alcohol stoves. While alcohol may have less energy per liquid ounce over canisters, the number of days between resupply points are not sufficient to make this a legitimate concern. Additionally, of course, there is that pesky four ounces the canister itself weighs.
I've known a few that actually cook, as opposed to rehydrate, on the trail. They are few and far between. Frankly, I gave up that approach since walking all day left little time or energy for what became the inconvenience of having to cook during the time that was otherwise available to relax.
For the record, I personally prefer Esbit tablets with a half ounce titanium Esbit stove. Here, however, I am one of the few. Each tablet is half an ounce and I'll rarely use a maximum of two a day, but usually less. Basically, the weight of an empty canister per section. I realize that many hikers have a negative perception of these; they smell, they dirty the bottom of the pot, are the two principle ones, but they work for me and have the positive of being safer than alcohol.
Sent from my iPad
On May 25, 2013, at 2:06 PM, Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com> wrote:
> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Simon Deleersnyder
> <simon.deleersnyder at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Since I want to have the possibility of
>> cooking rice, and potatoes I want to take a cannister stove.
>
> HYOH, but all I have to say is: 'good luck with that'
>
> I think most hikers would think that better options for a long
> distance hike are minute rice and potato flakes.
>
> I can't imagine carrying raw potatoes
>
> Also, fuel canisters can't go by air, so I think you would be much
> better off buying them in the USA and shipping them from here.
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 14:45:26 -0700
From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] (no subject)
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So a lot has happened to me recently, some of which I might explain later,
but for now, I have a water filter review I?d like to share with y?all ( I
was born in the south, well, southern California, but I like the folksy
southern colloquialisms and use them when I can when in good company.
Consider yourselves what I consider good company, considering. Yup.)
I bought a Sawyer squeeze filter last weekend with the REI 20% off discount
offer for members. This made the filter purchase cheaper than buying it
through Wal-Mart, which has a lower normal price than REI. It came with
three bags, the filter itself, and a back flushing syringe. The
instructions for filtering and flushing are printed on the bags. The
package contained a sixteen ounce, thirty two ounce, and sixty four ounce
squeeze bags, a good range of sizes and when empty weight nearly nothing at
all and take up almost no space.
I have read many experiences of others having the bags come apart at the
seams when squeezed. This was a concern for me, so I will be treating these
bags very carefully in an effort to see if there are quality control issues
or if there might be something else going on. Maybe folks are just not
pleased with the water throughput of the filter and are trying to speed
things up by squeezing harder than the bags can handle? I don?t know, but I
suppose I might find out the hard way.
So after reading the instructions, perusing the Sawyer website, and viewing
the videos they have there, I decided I would use it with some good old tap
water, just to see how it actually worked. The instructions also said to
not squeeze the bags too hard, and that filtering speeds up as the hollow
fibers become wetted. I found that filtering did occur faster after some
water had been allowed to flow through the filter, and that just gravity
alone would filter at about the same rate without squeezing as a gentle
squeeze when the filter was dry and used for the first time. It does not
filter at a fast rate, water will not come squirting out of the filter.
However, if the bag is given a gentle squeeze and rolled down as you go
along, and the fibers have had time to be thoroughly wetted, you can get a
liter of water in less than a minute with very little effort.
I can see that it might be difficult at times to get water into the bags,
as the opening on them is the same size as a water bottle (think SmartWater
or the like), so I will find a silicone or packable funnel to use to get
water in there. I will then either drink from the bag with the filter
attached, filter into a water bottle(s), or use a hydration bladder or two.
An added benefit to the filter is it has an adapter on it that allows you
to put the filter on the end of your hydration bladder hose easily. You can
fill a bladder with ?dirty? water, and filter it as you drink it.
I cannot do any testing to tell if it is filtering out the nasties it says
it does. I?ll have to trust that the right folks have done the right
testing and come to the right conclusions about that stuff. As an added
assurance, i will be adding Aqua Mira to filtered water just to be sure.
(For more info see
http://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/drinking/travel/backcountry_water_treatment.html
)
I have not had the chance to do any ?serious? testing with this yet, as in
out in the field (which I am sometimes out standing in). When I do, if
there is anything noteworthy, I?ll pass it along. It?s too early to say if
I am happy with this system yet, but I am glad I got it for the price I
did. Anytime I can beat Wal-Mart prices I get a little happier.
Dan Jacobs
Washougal
--
"Loud motorcycle stereos save lives."
Motorcycle to hike, hike to motorcycle.
Make a friend of pain and you'll never be alone.
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 21:51:36 +0000 (UTC)
From: Jim & Jane Moody <moodyjj at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject)
To: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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For the record, "y'all" is singular. The correct plural form is "all y'all".
Mango
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To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 5:45:26 PM
Subject: [pct-l] (no subject)
So a lot has happened to me recently, some of which I might explain later,
but for now, I have a water filter review I?d like to share with y?all ( I
was born in the south, well, southern California, but I like the folksy
southern colloquialisms and use them when I can when in good company.
Consider yourselves what I consider good company, considering. Yup.)
I bought a Sawyer squeeze filter last weekend with the REI 20% off discount
offer for members. This made the filter purchase cheaper than buying it
through Wal-Mart, which has a lower normal price than REI. It came with
three bags, the filter itself, and a back flushing syringe. The
instructions for filtering and flushing are printed on the bags. The
package contained a sixteen ounce, thirty two ounce, and sixty four ounce
squeeze bags, a good range of sizes and when empty weight nearly nothing at
all and take up almost no space.
I have read many experiences of others having the bags come apart at the
seams when squeezed. This was a concern for me, so I will be treating these
bags very carefully in an effort to see if there are quality control issues
or if there might be something else going on. Maybe folks are just not
pleased with the water throughput of the filter and are trying to speed
things up by squeezing harder than the bags can handle? I don?t know, but I
suppose I might find out the hard way.
So after reading the instructions, perusing the Sawyer website, and viewing
the videos they have there, I decided I would use it with some good old tap
water, just to see how it actually worked. The instructions also said to
not squeeze the bags too hard, and that filtering speeds up as the hollow
fibers become wetted. I found that filtering did occur faster after some
water had been allowed to flow through the filter, and that just gravity
alone would filter at about the same rate without squeezing as a gentle
squeeze when the filter was dry and used for the first time. It does not
filter at a fast rate, water will not come squirting out of the filter.
However, if the bag is given a gentle squeeze and rolled down as you go
along, and the fibers have had time to be thoroughly wetted, you can get a
liter of water in less than a minute with very little effort.
I can see that it might be difficult at times to get water into the bags,
as the opening on them is the same size as a water bottle (think SmartWater
or the like), so I will find a silicone or packable funnel to use to get
water in there. I will then either drink from the bag with the filter
attached, filter into a water bottle(s), or use a hydration bladder or two.
An added benefit to the filter is it has an adapter on it that allows you
to put the filter on the end of your hydration bladder hose easily. You can
fill a bladder with ?dirty? water, and filter it as you drink it.
I cannot do any testing to tell if it is filtering out the nasties it says
it does. I?ll have to trust that the right folks have done the right
testing and come to the right conclusions about that stuff. As an added
assurance, i will be adding Aqua Mira to filtered water just to be sure.
(For more info see
http://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/drinking/travel/backcountry_water_treatment.html
)
I have not had the chance to do any ?serious? testing with this yet, as in
out in the field (which I am sometimes out standing in). When I do, if
there is anything noteworthy, I?ll pass it along. It?s too early to say if
I am happy with this system yet, but I am glad I got it for the price I
did. Anytime I can beat Wal-Mart prices I get a little happier.
Dan Jacobs
Washougal
--
"Loud motorcycle stereos save lives."
Motorcycle to hike, hike to motorcycle.
Make a friend of pain and you'll never be alone.
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 14:58:49 -0700
From: Timothy Nye <timpnye at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Desolation Wilderness July 4th
To: Alan Miller <alan.miller401 at gmail.com>
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Alan,
The sad truth is that this section of the trail is the most populated of any on the PCT. Add to this that the Fourth of July weekend will stand an excellent chance of being the most popular to enter this already overcrowded "wilderness" and I'm afraid that this unrepresentative segment may have the opposite of the intended effect causing you questioning your goal rather than whetting your hiker appetite. There's not much to be seen hiking in a day and a half from Echo and the turning around.
On the other hand, if you have little experience this could be a bridge experience for you. But I would urge you to expand the scope beyond 3 days and head South either from Echo or Carson. There are a few highway trail heads South that make it practical. I don't know what mileage you're thinking about, but it's 15 miles from Echo to Carson Pass, but a bit of a climb out of Echo. From Carson to Ebbets is a nice hike.
If you intend to go through Desolation There is a Forest Service office on Hwy 50 past Placerville for permits, however, I wouldn't wait until the last minute for fear they may be at capacity. A permit isn't required heading South.
Gourmet
Sent from my iPad
On May 24, 2013, at 12:14 PM, Alan Miller <alan.miller401 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all. My wife and I both love to hike and I have done several
> backpacking trips ranging from an overnight in the Grand Canyon to a week
> in Yellowstone. It has been a dream of ours to someday hike the PCT.
> Earlier this year, we decided that 2014 is the year we finally make it
> happen! We both have some time off around the 4th of July this year and we
> decided we would spend it on the PCT to test gear and meal plans, and to
> just refuel our excitement for the trail. We have tentatively decided on 3
> nights through the Desolation Wilderness. We will be beginning and ending
> our hike from Echo Lake. We are trying to do the whole trip without
> renting a car from the airport, but I can't seem to figure out how to make
> the public transportation work to get us from either Sacramento or Reno
> airports. Is there anyway to get close to the trailhead with public
> transportation or should I just bite the bullet and rent a car? Thanks
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 17:12:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: linsey <mowoggirl at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Cannister stove for thru-hike
To: simon.deleersnyder at gmail.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
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you wrote," I read that these?are mainly used for bringing dehydrated mails to a boil and are not ideal?for meals that need simmering. "
to which I reply:
It is super easy to get most all alcohol stoves to simmer by adding a bit of water to the fuel after it is burning. ?After I get a boil, I remove the pot and dribble in some water which gives me a simmer. ?
My favorite thing to simmer is whole grain/germ included cornmeal mush. ?It is like rocket fuel for hiking if it is not degermed. ?If you want to try this, add the cornmeal to the water when cold or you will get lumps. ?Get a boil, simmer a few to five minutes, cover and let carry over cooking finish, in a cozy or not.
Sincerely, Lollygag
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 20:35:23 -0700
From: Stephen Clark <rowriver at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] 2013 Class Video
To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Does anyone still have the link to the 2013 class video?
I would like to send it to a friend but inadvertently deleted it.
Thanks
Snake Charmer
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 21:08:04 -0700
From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2013 Class Video
To: Stephen Clark <rowriver at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Ummmm No 2013 video yet...
here is a link to the 2012 and prior videos
http://www.planyourhike.com/media/pctdvd.php
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Stephen Clark <rowriver at gmail.com> wrote:
> Does anyone still have the link to the 2013 class video?
>
> I would like to send it to a friend but inadvertently deleted it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Snake Charmer
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 21:13:37 -0700
From: Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2013 Class Video
To: Stephen Clark <rowriver at gmail.com>
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Something tells me the 2013 class video is still in production, either that or, damn near every single hiker on the trail this year has smashed Scott Williamson's record.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 25, 2013, at 8:35 PM, Stephen Clark <rowriver at gmail.com> wrote:
> Does anyone still have the link to the 2013 class video?
>
> I would like to send it to a friend but inadvertently deleted it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Snake Charmer
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 21:34:45 -0700
From: Lost And Found <boundforadventure at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28
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> 4. Planned Gear List (Ed Jarrett)
> 5. Re: Ups fuel (Brick Robbins)
> 6. calorie counts (Jeffrey Olson)
> 7. Re: Ups fuel (Stephen Clark)
> 8. Re: Ups fuel (Ken Powers)
> 9. Re: Lassen over Memorial Day weekend? (Diane Soini)
> 10. Valley fever (Ellen Shopes)
> 11. PCT Cello Concert (Edward Anderson)
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 11:42:13 -0600
>From: "DAvE.FAJER" <davefajer at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] SOBO and an Ice Axe
>To: Ned Tibbits <ned at mountaineducation.org>, Joshua Stacy
> <joshua.g.stacy at gmail.com>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <mo9x9lo7qc197350vo9fs65n.1369244533396 at email.android.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>Midweek this week...sounds like up to another 6 inches of snow above 4, 000 feet Northern Oregon...didnt check North or South of there.
>
>Bring your snow equipment I would recommend.....Mother Nature not giving much slack so far.
>
>Coastal
>
>
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>-------- Original message --------
>From: Ned Tibbits <ned at mountaineducation.org>
>Date: 05/22/2013 8:14 AM (GMT-07:00)
>To: Joshua Stacy <joshua.g.stacy at gmail.com>,pct-l at backcountry.net
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] SOBO and an Ice Axe
>
>The last I looked, the PNW (actually from Mt. Lassen north) is still getting
>hit with snow storms. If you go to NOAA
>http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=48.780868846756185&lon=-121.82464599609375
>it looks pretty wet and cold (13 to 30), still.
>
>Since they got 100% of their normal snowpack this winter, the trail is
>pretty steep, and there's lots of trees to slide into, I would at least take
>a self-arrest pole and hiking crampons and learn how to use them before
>going.
>
>
>Ned Tibbits, Director
>Mountain Education
>www.mountaineducation.org
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joshua Stacy
>Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:10 AM
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Subject: [pct-l] SOBO and an Ice Axe
>
>With the quickly falling snow levels in Washington, do you think I
>will need to carry an ice axe when I start at the Canadian Border on
>June 20th? Also, in general does anyone have any SOBO wisdom out
>there?
>
>Thanks so much,
>Bobcat
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>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 13:25:54 -0700
>From: Kristy Margulieux <kmmarg at gmail.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Ups fuel
>To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <C4F531BA-4EC7-4F62-9F7E-E517105E6489 at gmail.com>
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>Does UPS ship fuel?
>K
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 13:53:36 -0700
>From: Bill Batchelor <bill.batchelor at kedyl.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Ray Jardine Backpack kit
>To: Pct-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
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>
>I will be selling my Ray Jardine, make your own backpack kit. I have had
>the kit for a few years. I also bought the DVD that shows the steps. I
>am moving in a few months into a very small space and I need to get
>realistic about what to haul around with me.
>It is a size XL which in the past referred to the volume of the pack 2600
>cubic inches. His new packs he has measurements based on shoulder girth.
> This back is NOT that XL. I am an average build man 5"10" 175 pounds.
>My torso is average. Damn near everything about me is average :-)
>This order was specific to my size and will work for an average of 5'9" to
>5"11". I just want to mention that because if you go to the web site now,
>it would be misleading. I don't want some big shouldered 6'2" guy buying
>this based on what Ray has on his site now.
>
>Besides changing the sizing mechanisms on his web site, the pack design is
>the same. See http://www.rayjardine.com/ray-way/Backpack-Kit/index.htm
>
>
>If anyone is interested, send me a note off-group. The pack new was $60
>and the DVD (really helps show what the written instructions say) was $17.
> Buy the pack for $55 and the DVD is free.
>
>Shoot, after writing this and spending time back on his web site, I am
>feeling inspired again. Maybe I will just make it.... .... .... I hate
>being indecisive... or I love it - cant decide.
>
>Send me a note
>
>Pink Gumby
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 14:22:32 -0700
>From: Ed Jarrett <edjarrett at msn.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Planned Gear List
>To: PCT List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <BLU169-W51D2A02F7569DBB24DE0CBAAA90 at phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>I am preparing for about 600 miles of the PCT this year, including the northern 500 mile of California and Rainy Pass to Stevens Pass in Washington. I am interested in any comments on my gear selection. In particular the use of a hammock in these sections of the trail. I do not anticipate any, especially in Washington, but want to be prepared if there are any significant treeless sections. I expect to drop another 1/2 pound or so in the next couple of months as I get tuned up for this year's adventure.
>Thanks
>http://aclayjar.blogspot.com/2013/05/2013-gear-list.html
>
>Ed Jarrett (Eeyore)Blog: http://aclayjar.blogspot.com/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/EdJarrett53 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ed.jarrett.71
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 14:25:36 -0700
>From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ups fuel
>To: Kristy Margulieux <kmmarg at gmail.com>
>Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net
>Message-ID:
> <CALV1NzknMNxWgYHOfv9F7LNwGUqJbDjFAaG7zzEVD0zN7FdVuA at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Abackcountry.net+UPS+ship+fuel
>
>On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Kristy Margulieux <kmmarg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Does UPS ship fuel?
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 15:38:26 -0600
>From: Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu>
>Subject: [pct-l] calorie counts
>To: "Pct-l at backcountry.net" <Pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <519D3AD2.3050805 at olc.edu>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Here are some calorie values for one ounce of a food
>
>Bread, (oatmeal or seven grain, 1 slice) 90 calories
>dried apricots 80 calories
>M&Ms 142 calories Minute Rice 110 calories
>Hard Candy 110 calories Spaghetti noodles 110 calories
>Cashews 163 calories Kraft Parmesian 110 calories
>Cheddar Cheese 114 calories Olive Oil 240 calories
>Swiss Cheese 105 calories Peanuts 160 calories
>Cheese Whiz 80 calories Peanut Butter 2 tbsp 188 calories
>Matzo crackers 110 calories Jam, 2 teaspoons 34 calories
>Rye Crisp 90 calories Textured Veg Protein 105 calories
>Macademia nuts 199 calories Dehydrate lentil soup 95 calories
>Mixed nuts,dry 169 calories Granola 130 calories
>Mixed Nuts, oil 175 calories Shredded coconut 164 calories
>Raisins 85 calories Oatmeal, instant 108 calories
>Hard salami, 3 slice100 calories Raisins 75 calories
>Walnuts, shelled 182 calories Candy Corn 110 calories
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 15:19:55 -0700
>From: Stephen Clark <rowriver at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ups fuel
>To: Kristy Margulieux <kmmarg at gmail.com>
>Cc: pct-l <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
> <CABAzAtHzBbTzcndpaccfXo5=7y7ug2O55NSFDKYayvu=h8ib-w at mail.gmail.com>
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>
>Depends on fuel type... I have shipped my JetBoil canisters UPS.
>
>
>
>On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Kristy Margulieux <kmmarg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Does UPS ship fuel?
>> K
>>
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>Message: 8
>Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 15:56:10 -0700
>From: Ken Powers <ken at gottawalk.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ups fuel
>To: "Kristy Margulieux" <kmmarg at gmail.com>, <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <77F9CFE4A2A94E6996889DF4A1E90D91 at Desktop2008>
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>I have talked to both UPS and FedEx about shipping small quantities
>(Consumer Commodity) of fuel. In order to ship any fuel with either of them
>I had to register as a Hazmat shipper. Oodles of paperwork that I didn't
>even look at, other than the size.
>
>There has been a change in regulations for the trucking industry regarding
>the shipping of hazardous gases and/or liquids. So far the Postal
>Regulations have not changed. The Postal Service is not bound by the
>trucking industry regulations.
>
>My GottaWalk.com website is having problems that I can't seem to fix. Marcia
>copied my "Shipping Fuel" webpage to our ADT trail journal. Here is the
>link: http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=85648
>Some of the links to the Postal Service website are broken - USPS changed
>their website. The regulations have not changed.
>
>Ken
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kristy Margulieux" <kmmarg at gmail.com>
>To: <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:25 PM
>Subject: [pct-l] Ups fuel
>
>
>Does UPS ship fuel?
>K
>
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>Message: 9
>Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 17:01:40 -0700
>From: Diane Soini <dianesoini at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lassen over Memorial Day weekend?
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <19A4A515-784B-4D6A-9D33-E605F01811D0 at gmail.com>
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>
>Hey Piper's Mom, this is Piper's Mom's Daughter.
>
>I remember in 2009 when I hiked through that you had cut out a
>newspaper article for me about Huff-and-Puff and his girlfriend
>hiking your area over Memorial Day. I guess that year there was a lot
>of snow but they found their way okay. The lady in the forest service
>office accused them (to me directly, not in the paper) of getting
>lost because they mentioned there were lots of blowdowns. They
>weren't lost. There WERE lots of blowdowns that year. I counted them
>the first day and got to 50 before I lost track. And I talked to Huff-
>and-Puff that early July when I was there and he said they didn't get
>lost.
>
>Anyway, they successfully went from Quincy-LaPorte Road to Highway 36
>which I believe is higher and more wild than Lassen, in a higher snow
>year, over Memorial Day, with a certain amount of struggling through
>snow but not so much that they got lost, if that means anything to
>anybody.
>
>Diane
>
>On May 22, 2013, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
>> From: Meridith Rosendahl <meridith.rosendahl at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lassen over Memorial Day weekend?
>>
>>>> Hiking south from where the pct crosses hwy 36 and headed for
>>>> Butt Mt,
>> I've
>> hit snow 7,000 and higher in May. <<
>>
>> I see Butt Mountain every day: from my house, from Highway 36 on
>> the way to
>> Chester, etc. There is patchy snow up there now, but not much and
>> less
>> every day. Log trucks are using the road to Carter Meadow,
>> exiting onto
>> highway 32 just above Elam campground, but I have no idea at what
>> elevation
>> they are doing the logging.
>>
>> There is no snow at 7000 feet on the south/west facing slopes.
>> There is
>> some still on north/east facing slopes around here.
>>
>> Piper's Mom
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 10
>Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 08:34:15 -0700
>From: Ellen Shopes <igellenig at gmail.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Valley fever
>To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <DA575B2B-CF7E-4A73-91FD-5A8C4DDC7504 at gmail.com>
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>
>
>Interesting post Muse. I wonder if the incidence is climbing or if there is just more awareness, prompting increased diagnosis.
>The CDC quotes the incidence in dry SW climates as 30-60%. When I first moved to AZ back in the 1980s, people warned me that I would get it. If you spend any time outdoors, there is a lot of disturbed soil and blowing dust. Within weeks, I got the usual symptoms, then went on to full recovery. In the hospital where I work, it is not uncommon to see lung lesions/scars from Valley fever. In elderly patients, a biopsy is sometimes done to confirm the diagnosis (and confirm that it is not cancer).
>Probably a good thing to be aware of, so if a persistant illness develops, one can get prompt treatment.
>No Butt
>Sent from my iPad
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 11
>Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 08:36:26 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] PCT Cello Concert
>To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
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>Hi All,
>
>Last night I attended the Cello Concert at the Saufley's here in Agua Dulce. It was given by thru-hiker Mark Votapek.? His talent is AMAZING. The concert far exceeded my expectations. There were nearly a hundred hikers, helpers and neighbors there.? All were transfixed in awe as he played.? It was MAGIC!!!!!? Mark will be giving a series of concerts at various trail towns as he hikes to Canada. His next will be in Green Valley. Volunteers are "bouncing" his cello along the way for him.?
>
>When I went up to thank Mark and congratulate him after his incredible performance we recognized each other. We had met at lake Silverwood and again at McDonald's, Cajon Pass. That's where I rode my horse, Primo, through the drive thru. We just lined up behind the cars. It worked. Then I "pigged out" with hiker friends while Primo was tied to a tree at the edge of the parking lot. Primo just napped.
>
>
>I highly recommend that those who can be sure to attend one of his concerts. You can check with the PCTA to get his most current schedule and where the concerts will be. It will be a night that you will never forget!
>
>
>MendoRider-Hiker
>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 22:05:51 -0700
From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Folks, I think we've been butt-emailed!
Dan Jacobs
Washougal
On May 25, 2013 9:35 PM, "Lost And Found" <boundforadventure at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
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> >Today's Topics:
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> > 1. Re: SOBO and an Ice Axe (DAvE.FAJER)
> > 2. Ups fuel (Kristy Margulieux)
> > 3. Ray Jardine Backpack kit (Bill Batchelor)
> > 4. Planned Gear List (Ed Jarrett)
> > 5. Re: Ups fuel (Brick Robbins)
> > 6. calorie counts (Jeffrey Olson)
> > 7. Re: Ups fuel (Stephen Clark)
> > 8. Re: Ups fuel (Ken Powers)
> > 9. Re: Lassen over Memorial Day weekend? (Diane Soini)
> > 10. Valley fever (Ellen Shopes)
> > 11. PCT Cello Concert (Edward Anderson)
> >
> >
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> >Message: 1
> >Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 11:42:13 -06
(super snip!)
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 22:41:44 -0700
From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] English Language (was Re: Pct-L Digest, Vol 65,
Issue 28)
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I really like the word "stupendous". It's a very excellent combination of
the words "stupid" and "tremendous"!
Dan Jacobs
Washougal
On May 25, 2013 10:21 PM, "Brick Robbins" <brick at brickrobbins.com> wrote:
> I was trying to explain the difference between "butt dial" and "booty
> call" to someone who speaks spanish (and little english) today
>
> it made me pause to consider how strange the english language is....
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Folks, I think we've been butt-emailed!
> >
> > Dan Jacobs
> > Washougal
> >
> > On May 25, 2013 9:35 PM, "Lost And Found" <boundforadventure at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> U
> >>
> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone
> >>
> >> pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
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> >> > 1. Re: SOBO and an Ice Axe (DAvE.FAJER)
> >> > 2. Ups fuel (Kristy Margulieux)
> >> > 3. Ray Jardine Backpack kit (Bill Batchelor)
> >> > 4. Planned Gear List (Ed Jarrett)
> >> > 5. Re: Ups fuel (Brick Robbins)
> >> > 6. calorie counts (Jeffrey Olson)
> >> > 7. Re: Ups fuel (Stephen Clark)
> >> > 8. Re: Ups fuel (Ken Powers)
> >> > 9. Re: Lassen over Memorial Day weekend? (Diane Soini)
> >> > 10. Valley fever (Ellen Shopes)
> >> > 11. PCT Cello Concert (Edward Anderson)
> >> >
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> >> >Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 11:42:13 -06
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 00:24:08 -0700
From: Lindsey Sommer <lgsommer at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Semi off topic Yosemite advice
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Hello fellow list-servers, I know this question is not related to hiking
the PCT, but I thought it would be wise to come to you to ask you advice
regarding Yosemite over the summer, since many of you seem to frequent (or
live close to) the Sierras.
Here is my dilemma: I'm currently an archival grad student and
have wonderfully been offered a summer internship working in the Yosemite
archives, which is not only well paid (gasp! a paid intern!), but I get to
live in the park for the entire summer. GREAT!
*Downside:* It's Yosemite during the summer, and since I didn't actually
have the option to know in February where I was going to be, the permit and
camping situation for the summer is looking DIRE. I know that ideally, I
would have reserved campsites and wilderness permits months ago, but sadly
this was not an option.
*This is my question:* I've been reviewing the current permit reservation
list, and while the obvious popular spots are 100% reserved for the summer,
I notice there are a lot of trailheads that seem less full at this point.
My Yosemite experience is limited to winter hut skiing trips, so
I'm unfamiliar with a majority of the park, and I'm wondering if anyone has
any experience or suggestions related to Yosemite during the summer? Where
are the best places to go that aren't going to be insane (if any such place
exists, but, it's a huge park)? Is it even going to be possible for me to
camp on any weekend without a permit??
And no, it's not an option to go somewhere else, how often does a national
park pay YOU :)
(I know that Yosemite reserves 40% of their daily wilderness permits for
walk-ins, but I'm fairly certain these are only for next day entry dates,
and that is complicated, since I can't run out of the archives to stand in
line all morning.)
Thanks so much!
Lindsey
--
Lindsey Sommer
MLIS Candidate 2014 -- University of California, Los Angeles
lgsommer at gmail.com
M: (808) 298-1116
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/lindsey-sommer/7/7b1/454
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 06:50:47 -0400
From: "JPL" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Semi off topic Yosemite advice
To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Lindsey;
You'll be in Yosemite Valley right? I volunteer there, but only for a
week, in the summer. My suggestion would be to talk to the folks in the
wilderness center (they're almost next door to where you'll be working).
They'll have lots of suggestions about getting a walk-in permit. They're
pretty good about working with folks who are volunteers or employees. As
far as where to go, its the same as any other hiking/camping situation: the
farther from a trailhead, the more the crowd thins out. Those on this list
who have done more backcountry hiking will have some suggestions about
specific trails.
Good luck!
-----Original Message-----
From: Lindsey Sommer
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 3:24 AM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Semi off topic Yosemite advice
Hello fellow list-servers, I know this question is not related to hiking
the PCT, but I thought it would be wise to come to you to ask you advice
regarding Yosemite over the summer, since many of you seem to frequent (or
live close to) the Sierras.
Here is my dilemma: I'm currently an archival grad student and
have wonderfully been offered a summer internship working in the Yosemite
archives, which is not only well paid (gasp! a paid intern!), but I get to
live in the park for the entire summer. GREAT!
*Downside:* It's Yosemite during the summer, and since I didn't actually
have the option to know in February where I was going to be, the permit and
camping situation for the summer is looking DIRE. I know that ideally, I
would have reserved campsites and wilderness permits months ago, but sadly
this was not an option.
*This is my question:* I've been reviewing the current permit reservation
list, and while the obvious popular spots are 100% reserved for the summer,
I notice there are a lot of trailheads that seem less full at this point.
My Yosemite experience is limited to winter hut skiing trips, so
I'm unfamiliar with a majority of the park, and I'm wondering if anyone has
any experience or suggestions related to Yosemite during the summer? Where
are the best places to go that aren't going to be insane (if any such place
exists, but, it's a huge park)? Is it even going to be possible for me to
camp on any weekend without a permit??
And no, it's not an option to go somewhere else, how often does a national
park pay YOU :)
(I know that Yosemite reserves 40% of their daily wilderness permits for
walk-ins, but I'm fairly certain these are only for next day entry dates,
and that is complicated, since I can't run out of the archives to stand in
line all morning.)
Thanks so much!
Lindsey
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 06:33:24 -0700
From: Nikki Eddy <nikkieddy at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] English Language (was Re: Pct-L Digest, Vol 65,
Issue 28)
To: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
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I used to teach English to international students, and always thought separable/inseparable verbs are so weird and make no sense...how do we "chop down" a tree, then "chop it up"? :))))
Sent from my iPhone
On May 25, 2013, at 10:41 PM, Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com> wrote:
> I really like the word "stupendous". It's a very excellent combination of
> the words "stupid" and "tremendous"!
>
> Dan Jacobs
> Washougal
> On May 25, 2013 10:21 PM, "Brick Robbins" <brick at brickrobbins.com> wrote:
>
>> I was trying to explain the difference between "butt dial" and "booty
>> call" to someone who speaks spanish (and little english) today
>>
>> it made me pause to consider how strange the english language is....
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Folks, I think we've been butt-emailed!
>>>
>>> Dan Jacobs
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>>>
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 06:44:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike Cunningham <hikermiker at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] English Language (was Re: Pct-L Digest, Vol 65,
Issue 28)
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The same way that we drive on a parkway but park in a driveway.
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Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] English Language (was Re: Pct-L Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28)
I used to teach English to international students, and always thought separable/inseparable verbs are so weird and make no sense...how do we "chop down" a tree, then "chop it up"? :))))
Sent from my iPhone
On May 25, 2013, at 10:41 PM, Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com> wrote:
> I really like the word "stupendous". It's a very excellent combination of
> the words "stupid" and "tremendous"!
>
> Dan Jacobs
> Washougal
> On May 25, 2013 10:21 PM, "Brick Robbins" <brick at brickrobbins.com> wrote:
>
>> I was trying to explain the difference between "butt dial" and "booty
>> call" to someone who speaks spanish (and little english) today
>>
>> it made me pause to consider how strange the english language is....
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Folks, I think we've been butt-emailed!
>>>
>>> Dan Jacobs
>>> Washougal
>>>
>>> On May 25, 2013 9:35 PM, "Lost And Found" <boundforadventure at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> U
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>>>>>? 4. Planned Gear List (Ed Jarrett)
>>>>>? 5. Re: Ups fuel (Brick Robbins)
>>>>>? 6. calorie counts (Jeffrey Olson)
>>>>>? 7. Re: Ups fuel (Stephen Clark)
>>>>>? 8. Re: Ups fuel (Ken Powers)
>>>>>? 9. Re: Lassen over Memorial Day weekend? (Diane Soini)
>>>>> 10. Valley fever (Ellen Shopes)
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 07:24:11 -0700
From: Benjamin Grunbaum <bengrunbaum at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Camping on Mount Whitney
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Hello everyone
I am hiking the John Muir Trail again in 16 days. I am starting at Happy
Isles because I want to finish on top of the lower 48.
I am curious if anyone on this list has camped at the top. I have only
seen a few posts about camping on the top. The two or three mentioned it
being extremely cold and windy.
I was thinking of camping inside the hut if it is not already taken. I am
pretty sure it would handle wind better than my tent! I am planning on
bringing my 30 degree bag but I do not want to become a popsicle that
somebody else has to remove.
Joking aside, how could does it get up there? Are the tent sites on top (I
understand there are a couple) protected by rocks? Can you camp in the
hut? Will I survive the night in a 30 degree bag? I am prepared to be
uncomfortable to have the chance to see the sunset and sunrise on the top
of the lower 48. I just do not want to be the one calling 911 so I am
looking for constructive advice.
Thanks
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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 07:27:29 -0700
From: <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Camping on Mount Whitney
To: "Benjamin Grunbaum" <bengrunbaum at gmail.com>,
<pct-l at backcountry.net>
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My first trip to Mount Whitney my partner talked me into camping on top.
Windy (and thus noisy) and very cold. There are a couple of rock rings that
afford SOME protection, but all in all it was not a pleasant experience.
-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Grunbaum
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 7:24 AM
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Camping on Mount Whitney
Hello everyone
I am hiking the John Muir Trail again in 16 days. I am starting at Happy
Isles because I want to finish on top of the lower 48.
I am curious if anyone on this list has camped at the top. I have only
seen a few posts about camping on the top. The two or three mentioned it
being extremely cold and windy.
I was thinking of camping inside the hut if it is not already taken. I am
pretty sure it would handle wind better than my tent! I am planning on
bringing my 30 degree bag but I do not want to become a popsicle that
somebody else has to remove.
Joking aside, how could does it get up there? Are the tent sites on top (I
understand there are a couple) protected by rocks? Can you camp in the
hut? Will I survive the night in a 30 degree bag? I am prepared to be
uncomfortable to have the chance to see the sunset and sunrise on the top
of the lower 48. I just do not want to be the one calling 911 so I am
looking for constructive advice.
Thanks
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 08:57:44 -0700
From: Lindsey Sommer <lgsommer at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Semi off topic Yosemite advice
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Thanks for the replies!
Snake Charmer: I would love to spend as much time as possible in the high
country. From what I've been able to glean, the most crowded part of the
park during the summer is the valley (no surprise), so I'm hoping that it
will be easier to get permits if I avoid that. Also, I've been trying to
figure out if there is some kind of employee/intern system for permits, and
it doesn't sound like it (dang!). Fantastic advice regarding the staff, I
definitely plan on talking to them. Also, always looking for a hiking buddy!
JPL: That's really helpful! Any advice that the people who work there have
would be most welcomed. I'm assuming a lot of them spend time in the
backcountry and know some ways to get away from the huge summer crowd.
I'll definitely wander over to the wilderness center, thanks!
Cheers,
Lindsey
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 3:50 AM, JPL <jplynch at crosslink.net> wrote:
> Lindsey;
> You'll be in Yosemite Valley right? I volunteer there, but only for a
> week, in the summer. My suggestion would be to talk to the folks in the
> wilderness center (they're almost next door to where you'll be working).
> They'll have lots of suggestions about getting a walk-in permit. They're
> pretty good about working with folks who are volunteers or employees. As
> far as where to go, its the same as any other hiking/camping situation: the
> farther from a trailhead, the more the crowd thins out. Those on this list
> who have done more backcountry hiking will have some suggestions about
> specific trails.
> Good luck!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lindsey Sommer
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 3:24 AM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Semi off topic Yosemite advice
>
> Hello fellow list-servers, I know this question is not related to hiking
> the PCT, but I thought it would be wise to come to you to ask you advice
> regarding Yosemite over the summer, since many of you seem to frequent (or
> live close to) the Sierras.
>
> Here is my dilemma: I'm currently an archival grad student and
> have wonderfully been offered a summer internship working in the Yosemite
> archives, which is not only well paid (gasp! a paid intern!), but I get to
> live in the park for the entire summer. GREAT!
>
> *Downside:* It's Yosemite during the summer, and since I didn't actually
> have the option to know in February where I was going to be, the permit and
> camping situation for the summer is looking DIRE. I know that ideally, I
> would have reserved campsites and wilderness permits months ago, but sadly
> this was not an option.
>
> *This is my question:* I've been reviewing the current permit reservation
> list, and while the obvious popular spots are 100% reserved for the summer,
> I notice there are a lot of trailheads that seem less full at this point.
> My Yosemite experience is limited to winter hut skiing trips, so
> I'm unfamiliar with a majority of the park, and I'm wondering if anyone has
> any experience or suggestions related to Yosemite during the summer? Where
> are the best places to go that aren't going to be insane (if any such place
> exists, but, it's a huge park)? Is it even going to be possible for me to
> camp on any weekend without a permit??
>
> And no, it's not an option to go somewhere else, how often does a national
> park pay YOU :)
>
> (I know that Yosemite reserves 40% of their daily wilderness permits for
> walk-ins, but I'm fairly certain these are only for next day entry dates,
> and that is complicated, since I can't run out of the archives to stand in
> line all morning.)
>
> Thanks so much!
> Lindsey
>
>
>
> --
> Lindsey Sommer
> MLIS Candidate 2014 -- University of California, Los Angeles
> lgsommer at gmail.com
> M: (808) 298-1116
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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 09:10:05 -0700
From: Stephen Clark <rowriver at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Semi off topic Yosemite advice
To: Lindsey Sommer <lgsommer at gmail.com>
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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If you haven't started yet I suggest an email to whomever is supervising
your work onsite and ask your permit question.
I will be hiking in the high country (Tuolumne Meadows) several times this
summer and always enjoy the company of someone who truly appreciates what
they are experiencing... and don't overlook the south end of the park.
There are some great trails there and it's typically in less demand.
Quackers
aka Stephen
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Lindsey Sommer <lgsommer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the replies!
>
> Snake Charmer: I would love to spend as much time as possible in the high
> country. From what I've been able to glean, the most crowded part of the
> park during the summer is the valley (no surprise), so I'm hoping that it
> will be easier to get permits if I avoid that. Also, I've been trying to
> figure out if there is some kind of employee/intern system for permits, and
> it doesn't sound like it (dang!). Fantastic advice regarding the staff, I
> definitely plan on talking to them. Also, always looking for a hiking
> buddy!
>
> JPL: That's really helpful! Any advice that the people who work there have
> would be most welcomed. I'm assuming a lot of them spend time in the
> backcountry and know some ways to get away from the huge summer crowd.
> I'll definitely wander over to the wilderness center, thanks!
>
> Cheers,
> Lindsey
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 3:50 AM, JPL <jplynch at crosslink.net> wrote:
>
> > Lindsey;
> > You'll be in Yosemite Valley right? I volunteer there, but only for a
> > week, in the summer. My suggestion would be to talk to the folks in the
> > wilderness center (they're almost next door to where you'll be working).
> > They'll have lots of suggestions about getting a walk-in permit. They're
> > pretty good about working with folks who are volunteers or employees. As
> > far as where to go, its the same as any other hiking/camping situation:
> the
> > farther from a trailhead, the more the crowd thins out. Those on this
> list
> > who have done more backcountry hiking will have some suggestions about
> > specific trails.
> > Good luck!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lindsey Sommer
> > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 3:24 AM
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] Semi off topic Yosemite advice
> >
> > Hello fellow list-servers, I know this question is not related to hiking
> > the PCT, but I thought it would be wise to come to you to ask you advice
> > regarding Yosemite over the summer, since many of you seem to frequent
> (or
> > live close to) the Sierras.
> >
> > Here is my dilemma: I'm currently an archival grad student and
> > have wonderfully been offered a summer internship working in the Yosemite
> > archives, which is not only well paid (gasp! a paid intern!), but I get
> to
> > live in the park for the entire summer. GREAT!
> >
> > *Downside:* It's Yosemite during the summer, and since I didn't actually
> > have the option to know in February where I was going to be, the permit
> and
> > camping situation for the summer is looking DIRE. I know that ideally, I
> > would have reserved campsites and wilderness permits months ago, but
> sadly
> > this was not an option.
> >
> > *This is my question:* I've been reviewing the current permit reservation
> > list, and while the obvious popular spots are 100% reserved for the
> summer,
> > I notice there are a lot of trailheads that seem less full at this point.
> > My Yosemite experience is limited to winter hut skiing trips, so
> > I'm unfamiliar with a majority of the park, and I'm wondering if anyone
> has
> > any experience or suggestions related to Yosemite during the summer?
> Where
> > are the best places to go that aren't going to be insane (if any such
> place
> > exists, but, it's a huge park)? Is it even going to be possible for me to
> > camp on any weekend without a permit??
> >
> > And no, it's not an option to go somewhere else, how often does a
> national
> > park pay YOU :)
> >
> > (I know that Yosemite reserves 40% of their daily wilderness permits for
> > walk-ins, but I'm fairly certain these are only for next day entry dates,
> > and that is complicated, since I can't run out of the archives to stand
> in
> > line all morning.)
> >
> > Thanks so much!
> > Lindsey
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lindsey Sommer
> > MLIS Candidate 2014 -- University of California, Los Angeles
> > lgsommer at gmail.com
> > M: (808) 298-1116
> > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/lindsey-sommer/7/7b1/454
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