[pct-l] Ice axe?

[Cat Nelson]

Love my
-Whippet pole for constant use
- Kahtoola hiking crampons for predictable lateral control while traversing
on snow or ice.

Got them for Christmas and worked great for my first snow camping at
Snoqualamie Pass and the PCT with Tacoma Mountaineers.

Cat
sagegirl51 at gmail.com
WA Trail Angel
253-861-3425
On May 20, 2013 2:39 PM, <ned at mountaineducation.org> wrote:

> For the average springtime sierra Thru Hiker, JMT or PCT:  Whippet vs. Axe
>
> - the self-arrest pole is in-hand always. Since you never know when you're
> going to slip and fall, this is the best option for protection against
> spontaneous out-of-control slides into trees or rocks below. It functions
> the same as an axe for self-arrest and works for balance control, too.
> - The pole does not work for self-belay or as an uphill anchor on steep
> traverses because of its basket and less durable construction.
> - It can not chop through thick ice to make footholds (though it can nibble
> a bit at it, roughing it up enough to get a bit of friction-traction!)
>
> - the deployment of an axe requires that the user be trained and
> experienced
> enough with the tool to recognize axe-needing hazards ahead and stop and
> take the axe off the pack before moving forward. Most thru hikers learn
> this
> by trial and error (in other words, they have to learn through their
> personal falls how much traction and balance their shoes give them, how
> much
> their behavior leads them into danger, and under which snow conditions they
> tend to fall. Maybe then they'll slow enough to be maintain better safety
> and balance on snow).
> - an axe is often too short for balance control, but once in-hand, is
> certainly the definitive tool for self-arrest, self-belay, and as a rudder
> in a seated glissade.
>
> If I know that we're leading a group of our students into a place or on a
> route where there might be sufficient springtime, consolidated snow
> on-angle
> to cause a slip-and-fall, Mountain Education requires the following:
> - Ice axes (for routes straight up the fall line--self-belay use)
> - Whippet poles for constant use
> - Kahtoola hiking crampons for predictable lateral control while traversing
> on snow or ice.
>
> If we don't expect any high-angle stuff, the axe is left at home.
>
> The key, here, is knowing your route! How can you plan or prepare for
> anything you know only a little about? Sure, you can read up on Journals
> and
> look at pictures, but going there for yourself is the best way to discover
> what the conditions are really like on the ground on the date you expect to
> be there.
>
> Here's a silly video we put together three years ago showing what it took
> to
> get over Forester...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po7gWQzrrGw
>
>
>
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> Mountain Education
> www.mountaineducation.org
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Welch
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:43 AM
> To: 'Ned Tibbits' ; 'Aaron Nicholson' ; 'pct-l'
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Ice axe?
>
> Hi Ned,
>
> Can you tell me your thoughts on why the Whippet is "better" than a Corsa
> Ice Axe?  The Corsa looks more rugged and more appropriate for self arrest
> -
> and lighter too. I would have planned to use the Corsa as a "hiking pole
> support" on slick or icy slopes, so it would already be in hand. I
> understand the dangers of "self evisceration," but is it any less of an
> issue with the Whippet?
>
> Thanks for the benefit of your experience!
> Timberline
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Ned Tibbits
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:37 AM
> To: Aaron Nicholson; pct-l
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ice axe?
>
> Like most year's thawing snowpack, this year's just has a higher snowline.
> The word thus far is placing it at about 10,500 or 11,000. This means that
> you'll have solid snow from there on up and over every pass or ridge you
> come across.
>
> With the exception of Forester's ice chute, the skills needed are
> self-arrest, traction control, and balance on snow. If you don't know how
> to
> use an axe, it would be a waste of effort to carry and money to buy.
> However, as we encouraged at the Kickoff, a self-arrest pole like the Black
> Diamond "Whippet"  (
>
> http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/en-us/shop/ski/ski-poles/whippet-self-a
> rrest-ski-pole
> ) is always in-hand and ready to save your butt should you fall and slide
> (but you've got to know how to self-arrest!). It also works great for
> balance control, as a pole. (Don't sweat the weight of the thing...you'll
> get used to it).
>
> Remember, start early in the morning to capitalize on the harder snow
> surfaces made by the night's cold temperatures (should you still have
> freezes). Once the snow becomes so soft that you start postholing, get off
> of it. Posting can cause serious injuries. Plan your day's progress
> accordingly and you'll be able to make some miles, even over snow on the
> multi-mile approaches to passes and through the suncups.
>
>
>
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> Mountain Education
> www.mountaineducation.org
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Nicholson
> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:08 PM
> To: pct-l
> Subject: [pct-l] Ice axe?
>
> I'm getting mixed messages about whether I'll need an ice Axe in the
> sierras
> this year. I plan on leaving Kennedy meadows on may 27th or so.
> Any thoughts? Also, how's the mail speed into KM? If I were to have it
> mailed on monday, would it arrive by the 27th? Thanks Aaron
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