[pct-l] Frozen shoes
igellenig
igellenig at gmail.com
Sun May 5 16:04:35 CDT 2013
I keep hearing about the frozen shoe thing in the Sierras. Even wet shoes will not freeze if you place them in a wateterproof bag and place them between your sleeping bag and your pad (under your knees, if that is comfortable for you). Granted they won't dry out, but you can put them on in the morning. This method worked well for me when I was out on the snow for two weeks in Nepal.
No Butt
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1. Changing the maps on trail, I need the Halfmile Maps
(krampenschiesser at freenet.de)
2. Daily Calories (Matt Parker)
3. Sleep Aids (Dan C. aka Thumper)
4. Re: Sleep Aids (Junaid Dawud)
5. Re: Sleep Aids (Dan Jacobs)
6. Halfmile map info for free or printing (Ann Marie)
7. Re: Daily Calories (CHUCK CHELIN)
8. Re: Daily Calories (Edward Anderson)
9. Re: Sleep Aids (Jeffrey Olson)
10. Re: Daily Calories (Cat Nelson)
11. Re: Daily Calories (Edward Anderson)
12. Re: Ride to/from JMT in June (Craig Stanton)
13. Frontier pro filter (Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com)
14. Re: Sleep Aids (Melanie Clarke)
15. Re: Sleep Aids (Dan Kronstadt)
16. Re: Sleep Aids (Dan Jacobs)
17. Re: Daily Calories (Melanie Clarke)
18. Re: Sleep Aids (Melanie Clarke)
19. Re: Sleep Aids (Dan Jacobs)
20. Daily Calories (Full Name)
21. Re: Sleep Aids (Terry)
22. Re: Sleep Aids (lilacs007 at yahoo.com)
23. Sleep Aids (Full Name)
24. Sleeping bags...WORD of CAUTION (Reinhold Metzger)
25. Early PCT Casualties (Reinhold Metzger)
26. The Ultimate High Energy...UL...trail food (Reinhold Metzger)
27. Re: Stove advice (Brick Robbins)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 04 May 2013 19:24:37 +0200
From: krampenschiesser at freenet.de
Subject: [pct-l] Changing the maps on trail, I need the Halfmile Maps
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Hi there,
I'm currently at Ziggy and the Bear's great place.
I used the postholermaps, but lack a lot of information or alternate routes that the Halfmile Maps contain.
Is there any way to order the printed Halfmile Maps anywhere?
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 10:31:31 -0700
From: "Matt Parker" <zerosignal74 at comcast.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Daily Calories
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Hi All,
What is a good target for daily calorie intake for the PCT and what are
foods that are high in calories, don't weigh much, or take up too much
space? I know olive oil and sunflowers work well. Any others?
Thanks,
Drake
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 12:42:44 -0700
From: "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Sleep Aids
To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
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Dear List,
Do any of you have experience with sleep aid products while out on the trail? I find I toss and turn throughout the night which is disturbing to my sleep. My sleep is not restful. Exterior noises, except for bears, do not bother me. It's just the constant movement. I saw in COSTCO an inexpensive sleep aid tab. While my goal is not to knock myself out I am interested in a more restful night's sleep. I'm thinking a half tab my work to get me to sleep vs. a whole might impact a normal, motivated wake-up. Thoughts and suggestions are appreciated.
Thumper aka Dan C.
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 13:45:36 -0600
From: Junaid Dawud <jdawud at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleep Aids
To: "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>
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3-5 mg dose of melatonin, kava kava extract helps too.
Also, never debate getting up to pee in the middle of the night....just do it and get back to bed quickly.
----Speshul 41
On May 4, 2013, at 1:42 PM, "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net> wrote:
> Dear List,
>
> Do any of you have experience with sleep aid products while out on the trail? I find I toss and turn throughout the night which is disturbing to my sleep. My sleep is not restful. Exterior noises, except for bears, do not bother me. It's just the constant movement. I saw in COSTCO an inexpensive sleep aid tab. While my goal is not to knock myself out I am interested in a more restful night's sleep. I'm thinking a half tab my work to get me to sleep vs. a whole might impact a normal, motivated wake-up. Thoughts and suggestions are appreciated.
>
> Thumper aka Dan C.
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 12:51:04 -0700
From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleep Aids
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Have you talked to a doctor about this? Sleep Apnea can be deadly. I had
similar problems, and a CPAP machine solves the problem at home but is too
cumbersome for backpacking. Breathe Right noise strips help a little, too.
Sleeping meds of any kind don't solve breathing problems.
Not a doctor, especially yours ;-),
Dan Jacobs
Washougal
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 13:01:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ann Marie <dbanmrkr at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Halfmile map info for free or printing
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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The Halfmile maps (map, GPS, phone app) are available here:
http://www.pctmap.net/
You can print the Halfmile trail notes for free:
http://www.pctmap.net/trailnotes/index.html
You can have GISI print the maps for you at a cost:
http://www.pctmap.net/info/printingtips.html
OR print the sections you want for free;
http://www.pctmap.net/download/mapdl.html
You can load the Halfmile map on your iphone for free:
iTunes app: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/halfmiles-pct/id521937514?mt=8
or the Androaid app for free:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.tadteam.halfmilepct&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsIm5ldC50YWR0ZWFtLmhhbGZtaWxlcGN0Il0
In all situations, please consider donating to the developers.
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 13:19:32 -0700
From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Daily Calories
To: PCT listserve <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Good afternoon, Drake,
I like any kind of nut butter, chocolate, and mayonnaise to augment my
meals, hot or cold. I buy the mayo in the little 0.43-ounce single serve
packets which have 86 total Calories, of which 84 Calories is fat.
http://www.fatsecret.com/calories-nutrition/generic/mayonnaise-regular?portionid=26347
The sealed packets keep without refrigeration. Sometimes with crackers or
chips I just tear open a corner of the packet and squirt it into my mouth
with a bite.
I had a few packets of Heinz mayo that someone had given to me, and near
the top of the climb to Forester Pass I stopped for a snack and I found the
Heinz packets were as fat as they could be without breaking the plastic. They
looked like short sausages. Apparently they had a bit more air inside
which expanded at high altitude.
Beyond those items I add bottled oil if I?m cooking, and I eat any kind of
high-Calorie junk food.
Steel-Eye
-Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Matt Parker <zerosignal74 at comcast.net>wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> What is a good target for daily calorie intake for the PCT and what are
> foods that are high in calories, don't weigh much, or take up too much
> space? I know olive oil and sunflowers work well. Any others?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Drake
>
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 14:05:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Daily Calories
To: Matt Parker <zerosignal74 at comcast.net>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
<pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Hi Matt,
Nuts - all kinds,? cheeses (I bring all of the flavors of Baby Bels. They come encased in wax. I have not had them spoil unless crushed), peanuts, peanut oil (has the same calories as olive oil and has an advantage if you want to fry trout - it can be strained and reused as it stands up well to being heated to frying temperatures), peanut butter, energy bars ( there are many kinds to choose from - a favorite, for me, is the Nature Valley Sweet & Salty Nut), hot chocolate with Nido ( I bring Swiss Miss Hot Chocolate Sensation. I have two packets with Nido twice a day at 400 calories each time. Nido, in case you don't know about it, is powered whole milk).
MendoRider-Hiker
________________________________
From: Matt Parker <zerosignal74 at comcast.net>
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 10:31 AM
Subject: [pct-l] Daily Calories
Hi All,
What is a good target for daily calorie intake for the PCT and what are
foods that are high in calories, don't weigh much, or take up too much
space? I know olive oil and sunflowers work well. Any others?
Thanks,
Drake
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 04 May 2013 15:12:43 -0600
From: Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleep Aids
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Benydryl helps. Costco's kirkland brankd is a 10th of the cost of
regular drug stores. Find the dosage level that takes the top off
whatever is going on, and be aware that you won't be able to sleep quite
as deeply. For the sleep apnea potential, something like the puresleep
device might help. If you are stopping breathing, and that'swhy you're
restless, this will help.
https://puresleep.com/s30/homepage.php
Jeffrey Olson
Rapid City, SD
On 5/4/2013 1:42 PM, Dan C. aka Thumper wrote:
> Dear List,
>
> Do any of you have experience with sleep aid products while out on the trail? I find I toss and turn throughout the night which is disturbing to my sleep. My sleep is not restful. Exterior noises, except for bears, do not bother me. It's just the constant movement. I saw in COSTCO an inexpensive sleep aid tab. While my goal is not to knock myself out I am interested in a more restful night's sleep. I'm thinking a half tab my work to get me to sleep vs. a whole might impact a normal, motivated wake-up. Thoughts and suggestions are appreciated.
>
> Thumper aka Dan C.
>
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 14:13:09 -0700
From: Cat Nelson <sagegirl51 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Daily Calories
To: Ed Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Nido is now in WINCO stores in the large can. More calories than whole
milk, tastes, mixes and and cooks well too. I found it in the Hispanic food
section, not in baking goods.
Cat
sagegirl51 at gmail.com
WA Trail Angel
253-861-3425
On May 4, 2013 2:05 PM, "Edward Anderson" <mendoridered at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Matt,
>
> Nuts - all kinds, cheeses (I bring all of the flavors of Baby Bels. They
> come encased in wax. I have not had them spoil unless crushed), peanuts,
> peanut oil (has the same calories as olive oil and has an advantage if you
> want to fry trout - it can be strained and reused as it stands up well to
> being heated to frying temperatures), peanut butter, energy bars ( there
> are many kinds to choose from - a favorite, for me, is the Nature Valley
> Sweet & Salty Nut), hot chocolate with Nido ( I bring Swiss Miss Hot
> Chocolate Sensation. I have two packets with Nido twice a day at 400
> calories each time. Nido, in case you don't know about it, is powered whole
> milk).
>
> MendoRider-Hiker
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Matt Parker <zerosignal74 at comcast.net>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 10:31 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] Daily Calories
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> What is a good target for daily calorie intake for the PCT and what are
> foods that are high in calories, don't weigh much, or take up too much
> space? I know olive oil and sunflowers work well. Any others?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Drake
>
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 14:39:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Daily Calories
To: Cat Nelson <sagegirl51 at gmail.com>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
<pct-l at backcountry.net>
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In my area (Southern California) you can now buy Nido at WalMart.
________________________________
From: Cat Nelson <sagegirl51 at gmail.com>
To: Ed Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
Cc: Matt Parker <zerosignal74 at comcast.net>; "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Daily Calories
Nido is now in WINCO stores in the large can. More calories than whole milk, tastes, mixes and and cooks well too. I found it in the Hispanic food section, not in baking goods.
Cat
sagegirl51 at gmail.com
WA Trail Angel
253-861-3425
On May 4, 2013 2:05 PM, "Edward Anderson" <mendoridered at yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Matt,
>
>Nuts - all kinds,? cheeses (I bring all of the flavors of Baby Bels. They come encased in wax. I have not had them spoil unless crushed), peanuts, peanut oil (has the same calories as olive oil and has an advantage if you want to fry trout - it can be strained and reused as it stands up well to being heated to frying temperatures), peanut butter, energy bars ( there are many kinds to choose from - a favorite, for me, is the Nature Valley Sweet & Salty Nut), hot chocolate with Nido ( I bring Swiss Miss Hot Chocolate Sensation. I have two packets with Nido twice a day at 400 calories each time. Nido, in case you don't know about it, is powered whole milk).
>
>MendoRider-Hiker
>
>
>
>________________________________
>?From: Matt Parker <zerosignal74 at comcast.net>
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 10:31 AM
>Subject: [pct-l] Daily Calories
>
>
>Hi All,
>
>
>
>What is a good target for daily calorie intake for the PCT and what are
>foods that are high in calories, don't weigh much, or take up too much
>space? I know olive oil and sunflowers work well. Any others?
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Drake
>
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 05 May 2013 10:58:14 +1200
From: Craig Stanton <craigstanton at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ride to/from JMT in June
To: Bob Bankhead <wandering_bob at comcast.net>, PCT MailingList
<pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Thanks Bob. I'm really keen to spend as much of my holiday as possible on the trail so staying overnight in ML is not in my plan. And it looks like we'd actually have to wait until Monday afternoon to get that bus so it's either a trail angel I have been introduced to or those shuttle services you suggested.
~Craig
On 3/05/2013, at 2:57 AM, Bob Bankhead <wandering_bob at comcast.net> wrote:
> Craig:
>
> From the Yosemite Valley Visitors' Center, you can take the 17:00 (5:00 pm)
> YARTS bus to the McDonalds in Mammoth Lakes. There is only one bus per day
> and it is the main transportation link for park employees so it is crowded.
> Get to the VC early to line up.
> http://yarts.com/schedule/2013/Hwy%20120%202013-04-08.pdf
>
> From Mammoth Lakes McDonalds, take the 17:20 (5:20pm) ESTA bus to Tom's
> Place at 1740 (5:40pm). Note this is also one bus per day, running M, T, Th,
> and F only - no service on Wednesday or the weekend. It leaves ML long
> before YARTS can get you there, so you'll have to stay overnight in ML. I
> highly recommend the Shilo Inn next to the McDonalds.
> http://www.estransit.com/CMS/content/395-routes
>
> Alternatively, you can get one of the commercial shuttle services to meet
> you up in ML and take you to Tom's and/or 9.2 miles further to the trailhead
> itself.
> http://www.mtwhitneyshuttle.com/
> http://eastsidesierrashuttle.com/
>
>
> Here's what the latest (2007 4th) edition of Elizabeth Wenk's "John Muir
> Trail" says about the Mono Pass route to the PCT/JMT:
>
> "The Hike: 15.1 miles. (allow one to two days); go east up Mono Creek and
> over Mono Pass (12,000 feet) to Mosquito Flat trailhead. There are campsites
> along the way."
>
> "Trailhead Amenities: Toilets; and down Rock Creek Road, campgrounds,
> lodging, cafes and stores."
>
> "Getting to the trailhead: From Hwy 395 at Tom's Place, turn west on Rock
> Creek Road and follow the road past Rock Creek Lake. Beyond the turnoff for
> the lake, the road shortly becomes one lane. Continue all the way to the
> roadend parking lot, 9.2 miles from Hwy. 395."
>
>
>
> Wandering Bob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Craig Stanton
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 3:23 AM
> To: PCT MailingList
> Subject: [pct-l] Ride to/from JMT in June
>
> Hello hiker buddies,
> I'm coming over to the states in June to hike the last bit of the
> JMT with my dad (a.k.a. Walks With Son) which he's been doing in small
> sections each time his work send him to California. We're planning to head
> from Oakland to Tom's Place (on 395) on Saturday June 15th and then up to
> Mosquito Flat to get in over Mono Pass and join the PCT where we left off 2
> years ago near VVR. I know there is public transport from SF to Yosemite and
> as far around as Mammoth and we can hitch down 395 but I thought it would be
> a good idea to cast about to see if anyone here happens to be driving that
> way, maybe as support crew for a thru-hiker or to get out in the woods
> yourself. Going to up VVR would be good too. I think I heard they charge a
> lot of money to come pick you up from the nearest town before the mountains.
>
> And while I'm writing, has anyone taken this side trail? Mosquito
> Flat to Mono Creek. I've looks up some photos and it seems really pretty,
> I'd just like to know if there is anything I particularly need to know like
> steep sections or dangerous fords. I only know the sierras from the PCT.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Craig/SunWalker/Heaps PCT Class of '07
>
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 17:44:03 -0700
From: Diane at Santa Barbara Hikes dot com
<diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Frontier pro filter
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Does anybody remember the Frontier pro filter? I have one somewhere.
It's orange. I don't think I ever got a chance to try it out. I am
wondering, what is the difference between it and the filter that
comes with the Sawyer squeeze system. They sound like pretty much the
same thing. Anybody know?
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 18:05:30 -0700
From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleep Aids
To: "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>
Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net
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Definitely take benedryl! Sleep tabs just make you feel dopey for 2 days
and does nothing for sleep.
Many hikers, except the younger crowd, take benedryl I was surprised!
Toga
On May 4, 2013 12:42 PM, "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net> wrote:
> Dear List,
>
> Do any of you have experience with sleep aid products while out on the
> trail? I find I toss and turn throughout the night which is disturbing to
> my sleep. My sleep is not restful. Exterior noises, except for bears, do
> not bother me. It's just the constant movement. I saw in COSTCO an
> inexpensive sleep aid tab. While my goal is not to knock myself out I am
> interested in a more restful night's sleep. I'm thinking a half tab my work
> to get me to sleep vs. a whole might impact a normal, motivated wake-up.
> Thoughts and suggestions are appreciated.
>
> Thumper aka Dan C.
>
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 04 May 2013 18:41:24 -0700
From: Dan Kronstadt <subs at kronhead.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleep Aids
To: "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>,Pct-L at backcountry.net
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You will probably think I'm crazy but I use this at home and while camping:
http://www.integrativeinc.com/Products/Products-by-Health-Concern/Neurological-Stress-and-Sleep/Neurological/70662-Lavela-WS-1265.aspx
You can buy it on Amazon. Give it a try.
Dan
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 19:05:33 -0700
From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleep Aids
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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On May 4, 2013 6:41 PM, "Dan Kronstadt" <subs at kronhead.com> wrote:
>
> You will probably think I'm crazy ...
We think you're crazy, but not because you suggest lavender oil to help
sleep. These kinds of things help many sleep, some get interesting burps
:-D, and a few really need to see a doctor in case there is a medical issue
involved.
I'm glad I got tested and now sleep like a baby when they are sleeping when
I use it. Deeply. Not like when they are crying. Or using a machine. Though
I understand there are infant CPAP machines, but I don't necessarily mean
those babies or their sleep, which I truly hour it's just like sleeping
like a baby (see previous). Just wanted to clarify. ;-)
Dan Jacobs
Washougal
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 19:15:42 -0700
From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Daily Calories
To: Matt Parker <zerosignal74 at comcast.net>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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You definitely need calories to hike the PCT but you also need some
semblance of proper nutrition and the minimum daily requirements of
micro/macro nutrients. You will be building lean tissue and increasing the
cellular dynamics of energy output in your body like increased red blood
cell and mitochondrial density . This needs vitamins, protein, Ca+ etc.
Exercise or hiking will deplete your blood glucose and muscle glycogen,
which can slow you down to a shuffle or even a "bonk". Carbohydrates will
replenish your system the fastest. I realize that nuts and fats are easier
to carry as they have 9 calories for every gram, while protein and carbs
have only 4 calories per gram but don't rule out dried sources of
carbohydrates. Instead of a jar of oil, take a plastic jar of peanut or
nut butter.
I would take a day's worth of food, go on line and analyze the nutritional
content to make sure you're getting everything you need. You can always
take vitamin pills along but I think it is better to get the nutrition you
need from the foods you eat. I would include at least 65-80 gms of
protein, which is above the MDR; and I am able to easily achieve this with
a Vegan diet. Personally, I wouldn't take more than 40% of my calories in
fat, that's about 1600 calories in a 4000 daily total calorie diet. That
would leave you with about 300-400 calories in protein and about 2000
calories of carbohydrate. Do not forget adequate amounts of Ca+. I bring
Ca+ tablets with me but I take thyroid medication which seems to deplete
the Ca+ in the bones if we're not careful.
I also take dehydrated vegetables, I get mine from Safeway, they have a
bulk bin in the produce section of a dried vegetable mix. Kale dries
really well in an oven, lightly brushed with oil and salt. Dehydrated
fruits, raisins are also wonderful sources of nutrition.
Toga
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Matt Parker <zerosignal74 at comcast.net>wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> What is a good target for daily calorie intake for the PCT and what are
> foods that are high in calories, don't weigh much, or take up too much
> space? I know olive oil and sunflowers work well. Any others?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Drake
>
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 19:20:14 -0700
From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleep Aids
To: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Did you wet your diaper? Then you really slept like a baby (-:
T
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 4, 2013 6:41 PM, "Dan Kronstadt" <subs at kronhead.com> wrote:
> >
> > You will probably think I'm crazy ...
>
> We think you're crazy, but not because you suggest lavender oil to help
> sleep. These kinds of things help many sleep, some get interesting burps
> :-D, and a few really need to see a doctor in case there is a medical issue
> involved.
>
> I'm glad I got tested and now sleep like a baby when they are sleeping when
> I use it. Deeply. Not like when they are crying. Or using a machine. Though
> I understand there are infant CPAP machines, but I don't necessarily mean
> those babies or their sleep, which I truly hour it's just like sleeping
> like a baby (see previous). Just wanted to clarify. ;-)
>
> Dan Jacobs
> Washougal
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 19:23:25 -0700
From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleep Aids
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com> wrote:
> Did you wet your diaper? Then you really slept like a baby (-:
>
> T
Wouldn't *you* like to know!?
"MOMMY!!!"
Dan Jacobs
Washougal
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 04 May 2013 23:38:11 -0400
From: "Full Name" <2heeldr at myway.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Daily Calories
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Macadamia nuts are very high in calories add to trail mix with some peanut M&Ms.
Look for a book called "Eat this not that" and target the not that foods, such as Fritos, the original food of the Apache.
Whats nice about the book is it has pictures of the packaged foods, and sooner or later you will need to resupply have to have y and all of the specialty food packets and foods will not be at the AM-Pm or mini supermart, Slim jims, and other high calorie junk food become the norm.
Now if you really have to have ,say scrambled eggs, you better be sending some to yourself, I have not seen any in the supermarkets ,unless you take those boxed or fresh eggs.....
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 20:42:57 -0700
From: Terry <tsparks56 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleep Aids
To: "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>
Cc: "Pct-L at backcountry.net" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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For over the counter remedies that I personally have had good results with, I take Excedrin PM when I need a good sleep. it's nothing more than aspirin and Benadryl, with the aspirin helping with altitude headache and a low dose (25 mg) of Benadryl helping me relax in camp and sleep.
Keep in mind that Benadryl does have some side effects that you should be aware of as a hiker, dry mouth and Uranary retention are common. To minimize this, I only take a low dose 60-90 minutes before hitting the sack and the effects are pretty much gone in the morning and I have never had a problem with it.
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On May 4, 2013, at 12:42 PM, "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net> wrote:
> Dear List,
>
> Do any of you have experience with sleep aid products while out on the trail? I find I toss and turn throughout the night which is disturbing to my sleep. My sleep is not restful. Exterior noises, except for bears, do not bother me. It's just the constant movement. I saw in COSTCO an inexpensive sleep aid tab. While my goal is not to knock myself out I am interested in a more restful night's sleep. I'm thinking a half tab my work to get me to sleep vs. a whole might impact a normal, motivated wake-up. Thoughts and suggestions are appreciated.
>
> Thumper aka Dan C.
>
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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 04:05:55 +0000
From: lilacs007 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleep Aids
To: "Dan C. aka Thumper" <dofdear at cox.net>, "Pacific crest trail PCT
Listserve" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Okay, this is coming from someone who has narcolepsy, and believe it or not serious insomnia issues. The kind that 2 extended release Ambien won't put to sleep.
I am okay with Benadryl but I feel like I'm very tired after. I did try natural stuff but did nothing for me.
Ambien is okay, but some people do thinks like sleep walk or still feel drowsy (although they now think the dose for women was way too high 12.5- now it's 6.5 I believe)
There is a very inexpensive med called Elavil that works really well for me, and I wake up feeling so much better, like I actually slept! (narcoleptics don't get restorative sleep)
I get a deep, good sleep. The only thing is you start at 25mg and work up. I now take 75mg, 2nd year of use. The problem with some of these meds is that they disrupt the sleep cycle. I occasionally take Ambien but always with Elavil- and I'm okay when I wake up. I used to fall asleep right away after my alarm rang,and had to take a stimulant, wait an hour and get up.
You want to see a sleep doc.
I put things off and had 2 almost accidents going 80 and one day woke up banging my head on a counter top. Sadly sleep apnea is dangerous! And you are probably not sleeping well.
See someone and then make a decision. A word of caution about Benadryl- tell your pharmacy you are taking it, as some medications mixed with it can cause respiratory problems (pain meds, muscle relaxers)
Hope you get some sleep!
Evelyn
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Subject: [pct-l] Sleep Aids
Dear List,
Do any of you have experience with sleep aid products while out on the trail? I find I toss and turn throughout the night which is disturbing to my sleep. My sleep is not restful. Exterior noises, except for bears, do not bother me. It's just the constant movement. I saw in COSTCO an inexpensive sleep aid tab. While my goal is not to knock myself out I am interested in a more restful night's sleep. I'm thinking a half tab my work to get me to sleep vs. a whole might impact a normal, motivated wake-up. Thoughts and suggestions are appreciated.
Thumper aka Dan C.
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 05 May 2013 01:15:40 -0400
From: "Full Name" <2heeldr at myway.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Sleep Aids
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Ambien will get you to sleep, the side effects are you may sleep walk, and do other things when you think your asleep.
The melatonin is useful but much smaller dose than 3 mil gr. try 1 or 1/2 , the reason is to much and it will keep you awake ,so go with low low dose.
The Lavender works, an air freshener helps to put you to sleep, for me 15 min max and Im gone, it works.
The Chamomile tea induces sleep, worth a try if you want to stay away from pills.
Give Yourself what your body needs when you sleep, Calcium and Magnesium. This combination helps repair muscle and rebuild bones, You will sleep much better when you take these supplements or get them in your food. Also use CoQ10 and you will be surprised just how well you sleep.
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Message: 24
Date: Sat, 04 May 2013 15:18:49 -0700
From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Sleeping bags...WORD of CAUTION
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[pct-l] Sleeping bags...WORD of CAUTION
Brick,
I don't know if you know this or not, but "GAS IS FLAMMABLE".
I would strongly advise that you not smoke while discharging
all that chilly gas into your sleeping bag.
If you would hook up some kind of manifold to a fuel bottle that
would allow you to discharge all that gas into the fuel bottle,
instead of into your sleeping bag, you could eat all the chilly
your little heart desires and would be a happier and lighter camper
because you would not have to carry any fuel.
Every evening you would simply re-pressurize the fuel bottle by
discharging all that chilly gas into the fuel bottle and be set
for the next day.
JMT Reinhold
The problem solver
---------------------------------
Brick wrote
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Reinhold Metzger
<reinholdmetzger at cox.net <http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l>> wrote:
>/ I asked, did he fall?....He replied.."He died in his sleeping bag
/>/ from suffocation."
/
I used a bivy bag for shelter on my thru hike (which I would not do
again) and while freezing in the sierra one night (my water bottles
and shoes were frozen solid in the morning) I zipped myself in my
bags, leaving only a small hole through which to breathe, to try and
not freeze during the night.
The only problem was that I had eaten some home made and dehydrated
chili, and I just about gassed myself to death.
After that, I had my support person take the Chili out of my boxes so
I had a bunch left over when I got home...... When PCT-Planner-Craig
stayed with me before his section hike, he supplied from my box of
left over food, and took some of the chili.....
It was potent enough he commented the next time I saw him....
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Message: 25
Date: Sat, 04 May 2013 17:25:53 -0700
From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Early PCT Casualties
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[pct-l] Early PCT Casualties
Paul,
First of all, nobody is criticizing inexperienced hikers for
attempting a PCT thru hike...being bold, adventurous and heaving
big dreams is a virtue that is not what is being criticized.
What is being criticized are the reckless statements by some
romantic dreamers on this list that mislead inexperienced hikers
to assume that a PCT thru-hike is like a walk in the neighborhood
park with statements like that:
ooohhh, your safer on the trail than in your own home,
ooohhh, you don't need experience, it will come as you go,
ooohhh, don't worry about the snakes, bears or Mountain Lions,
they will not bother you if you don't bother them,
ooohhh, you don't need a map or compass, if you get lost or into
trouble, call 911.
Statements like that only mislead inexperienced hikers into
underestimating the trail and as a result wind up unprepared to
deal with the harsh realities they may or may not encounter.
For instance,...Yes, you probably could complete the trail without
a map or compass if everything goes just right.
It's when you get lost or have an emergency that requires you to
get to civilization as soon as possible,...that is when the map
and compass are worth their weight in gold.
Using arguments like,..."the way to get experience, is by doing it"
are not always valid arguments.
If I never climbed Mt. Everest, should I just go and do it, or would
it be advisable that I first get some experience climbing lesser
Mountains first?
Should I just start scuba diving, or should I get some experience first?
What about Sky diving, should I just jump out of the plane and pull
the rip cord, or should get some experience on jump towers first?
I wonder why the USMC put us "GRUNTS" (infantry) through a year of
intense advanced infantry training, including cold weather training,
desert training, mountain warfare training, hand to hand combat
training and commando training before shipping us out to Vietnam
in 1965?....we could have just learned all of that on the job, as
we were fighting the war.
JMT Reinhold
Your puzzled trail companion
----------------------------
Paul wrote:
>/You don't need a map or compass, Also, arguably, true. I've met
first-time-PCT hiking buddies using nothing/but the data book.
It's a very easy trail for most to follow, though I personally wouldn't
advocate hiking it with just the data book.
I've never used a compass or seen another PCT hiker use a compass.
It's a very well established trail.
------------------------------------
Barry wrote:
Ahem....I wouldn't call that arguably true. I'd call it demonstrably
dangerous.
Yeah, sure, perhaps THIS year, when there will be little to no snow in
the Sierra or anywhere else on the south parts of the trail.
You can possibly skate by there.
Pick a high snow year on the other hand, like '05, '06, or '11 and a
person in the Sierra would be hosed without nav gear.
Unless you want to tag along with someone who knows what THEY'RE doing
...then again, that's not hiking your own hike, that's being dependent
on some one else.
Oh, and hope to heck you don't get caught out here in northern Washington
at the end of the season, with no maps, no compass, snow on the trail...
oh, wait...that DID happen, just last year....and the guy was lucky to get
out with his life after starving in his tent for over a week with no food.
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Message: 26
Date: Sun, 05 May 2013 03:34:59 -0700
From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
Subject: [pct-l] The Ultimate High Energy...UL...trail food
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Matt Parker wrote:
What are foods that are high in calories, don't weigh much, or take up
much space?
-------------------------------------------
Reinhold writes:
Matt,
For light weight, high calorie food think "MACADAMIA NUTS".
At 200 calories per ounce nothing beats Macadamia Nuts.
You have to go to straight oil or fat to beat that.
Mixed nuts have only about 170 calories and are dry tasting and therefore
require lots of water.
Macadamia nuts on the other hand, because of their high oil contents,
have a
moist taste and therefore do not require you to drink a lot of water.
I know, some folks will argue...FAT IS BAD FOR YOU!!!...I say, that may
be so
for the average person, but "FAT" is a long distance hikers "BEST FRIEND".
Besides, Macadamia Nuts are high in Monounsaturated Fat, the most benign of
fats and does not effect your cholesterol.
In other words it is the good fat.
At 250 calories per ounce vs 110 calories per ounce for carbs & protein
it does
not take a rocket scientist to see that you get more bounce for the
ounce from fat.
Besides, you will burn all that fat, and more, anyway.
That is why UL Speed Hikers "SUPPLEMENT" their menu with "OIL"...to boost
calories and keep the food weight down.
On my JMT speed hikes I include lots of Macadamia Nuts to keep my menu down
to around 2 lb to deliver the required "Horse Power", around 4,800
calories.
However, I burn about 8,000-10,000 calories and therefore still loose
about two
pound of body fat per day.
However, I also crank, about 40 miles per day with an average of 8,000
to 10,000
feet of elevation gain per day.
On a typical PCT hike a hiker will probably burn around 3,000 to 4,000
calories/day,
depending on hikers weight and and hike.
JMT Reinhold
Your Macadamia Nut loving trail companion
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Message: 27
Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 17:09:48 +0200
From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stove advice
To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 1:10 AM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes
<diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
> TrailHacker can boil water in 30 seconds with his jet boil. 30
> seconds!
If I that that worried about doing things that quickly, I would take a
plane from San Diego to Canada....
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Message: 28
Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 12:43:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: bluetrail at aol.com
Subject: [pct-l] Billy Goat
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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We (Rodknee Dangertrail & I) know Billy Goat from his winter hikes on the FT. Rodknee (Jon) reported seeing Billy Goat at the kick-off and again further up the trail. I gather that Billy Goat isn't doing a thru, but rather doing some day hikes or short hikes. Jon saw him again north of the kick off and Billy Goat had a car.
Joan
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Subject: [pct-l] (no subject)
Hello PCT Hikers! Being a former Trail Angel from Wrightwood, CA.... I was
ondering if Billy Goat is hiking the PCT this year? Want to send well-wishes
o all hikers..... be safe! ...... Susan
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