[pct-l] How to post
Wylie Drd
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Thu Mar 14 00:34:41 CDT 2013
I tried posting something but never saw it come up. What do I need to do different other than send posting to this email address? Thanks a million miles. Crazy Horse 06
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> 1. Re: Smoking on the trail (Fred Walters)
> 2. Re: Smoking on the trail (Dennis Phelan)
> 3. What's the best device to blog on the trail? (Carrot Quinn)
> 4. Re: Smoking on the trail (Dan Jacobs)
> 5. Re: What's the best device to blog on the trail? (Dan Jacobs)
> 6. "Born to Run", shoes, and feet. (Dan Jacobs)
> 7. Re: smoking on the trail (Taylor Matheson)
> 8. Poison Oak/Ivy & Poodle-Dog Bush on the PCT (Melissa Cappetti)
> 9. Re: smoking on the trail (Tortoise)
> 10. Re: Poison Oak/Ivy & Poodle-Dog Bush on the PCT (Dan Jacobs)
> 11. Re: Smoking on the trail/fire (Edward Anderson)
> 12. Re: Poison Oak/Ivy & Poodle-Dog Bush on the PCT (Eric Lee)
> 13. Re: Poison Oak/Ivy & Poodle-Dog Bush on the PCT
> (gary_schenk at verizon.net)
> 14. Re: smoking on the trail (Taylor Matheson)
> 15. Re: Poison Oak/Ivy & Poodle-Dog Bush on the PCT (Taylor Matheson)
> 16. Re: "Born to Run", shoes, and feet. (Tom Holz)
> 17. ursacks (Pamela McCullough)
> 18. Re: ursacks (John Abela)
> 19. Instant Rice, Powered Cheese & Butter (Tracy Fisher)
> 20. Re: Instant Rice, Powered Cheese & Butter (Jackie McDonnell)
> 21. Re: Instant Rice, Powered Cheese & Butter (John Abela)
> 22. Re: Instant Rice, Powered Cheese & Butter (Tracy Fisher)
> 23. Re: Smoking on the trail (lilacs007 at yahoo.com)
> 24. Re: Poison Oak/Ivy & Poodle-Dog Bush on the PCT (Dan Engleman)
> 25. Re: Poison Oak/Ivy & Poodle-Dog Bush on the PCT (Melissa Cappetti)
> 26. Re: Poison Oak/Ivy & Poodle-Dog Bush on the PCT (Melissa Cappetti)
> 27. Re: ADZPCTKO Vendors : To pole or not to pole (dicentra)
> 28. Re: Poison Oak/Ivy & Poodle-Dog Bush on the PCT (David Tamblyn)
> 29. Re: Instant Rice, Powered Cheese & Butter (Crystal Shum)
> 30. Re: Poison Oak/Ivy & Poodle-Dog Bush on the PCT (David Tamblyn)
> 31. Re: Smoking on the trail (chiefcowboy at verizon.net)
> 32. Re: Smoking on the trail (chiefcowboy at verizon.net)
> 33. Re: SMOKING ON THE TRAIL (lilacs007 at yahoo.com)
> 34. Re: anti-protozoals (lilacs007 at yahoo.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:12:09 +0000
> From: Fred Walters <fredwalters2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Smoking on the trail
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Unrelated (partially anyway), I understood that normal tobacco filter
> cigarettes are rather polluting when discarded due to the tar collected in
> the filter (my understanding - which is "not always 100%"). However
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2697937/ suggests that the
> filter is non-biodegradable so if discarded on the trail they will be there
> for some time (until washes downstream, and pollutes wherever it ends-up).
>
> Not for one moment suggesting smokers be banned from the trail and as I
> used to smoke myself I appreciate that giving up for the trail is not going
> to happen. But it does sound like discarded filter butts are more than
> just unsightly litter.
>
> (No point in me Google searching things and selecting those pages that
> support my point).
>
> (Sorry, Google Mail does not seem to allow me to modify the title to
> reflect my off-topic comment)
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 4:34 PM, <gary_schenk at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>> Last year on a section hike I met a lot of cigarette smokers.
>>
>> We ran into a smoker in 2011. We knew he was ahead of us from the trail of
>> butts he left behind.
>>
>> Not cool.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On 03/13/13, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes wrote:
>>
>> Was his name Dakota John or Dakota Mike? I met a guy with that name
>> (can't remember which now) in Oregon. He was hiking Southbound. He
>> stopped and asked me if I had seen a lake and I said no. He got a
>> really confused look on his face. We talked for a while and he
>> finally realized he had hiked 5 miles in the wrong direction. So he
>> turned around and hiked away. I continued on. He came back a few
>> minutes later to tell me there was a really nice lake ahead off the
>> PCT I should go check out. Okay, thank you. I found a spot to make
>> dinner. Suddenly he appeared and we ate dinner together. He would
>> talk and tell me stories and nothing he said made any sense.
>> Everything was told out of order. One year would suddenly blur into
>> another, one trip in one place would suddenly become someplace else.
>> He was really weird. He continued hiking, then once again he turned
>> back to tell me one more thing. Then I never saw him again. Funny guy
>> but I guess he is somewhat well-known in the hiking community and I
>> think he's from Alaska.
>>
>> Back on the subject of smoking dope. I guess if it is medicinal it's
>> being smoked for a different reason, but possibly not. I don't really
>> care either way. I'm not a dope smoker. I met a few on the trail. I
>> wasn't interested in that sort of experience so all I had to do was
>> hike on.
>>
>> That's the great thing about the trail. People you don't want to hang
>> out with? No problem, just hike on. You can hike on by leaving early
>> from town. You can hike on by passing someone when they've stopped
>> for a break. You can hike on by hiking a couple extra hours in the
>> evening. It takes only about 15 minutes of separation to get yourself
>> back into a completely solo experience.
>>
>> Last year on a section hike I met a lot of cigarette smokers. I ended
>> up completing the last and final little unhiked piece of the trail
>> and I celebrated by sitting in an outhouse with all these smokers.
>> I'm not a smoker myself, so it was pretty hard to breath, but better
>> than the smell of the toilet I guess and anyway at least these guys
>> were hilariously funny. What a way to celebrate! So many weird things
>> happen on the trail. Makes you appreciate all the differences of
>> everybody.
>>
>> On Mar 13, 2013, at 6:22 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>>
>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Smoking on the trail
>>>
>>> This chain of emails makes me chuckle. My wife and I were doing a
>>> section
>>> hike in the central Oregon area and on the trip we ran into several
>>> other
>>> hikers. Most of them very pleasant and informed. We did run into one
>>> individual who must have been on something. He was walking along
>>> the trail
>>> talking to himself about wondering where is was. He had this kind
>>> of dazed
>>> look on his face. We stopped and talked with him for a while to
>>> make sure
>>> he was OK. We got out our maps and showed him where he was; he
>>> thanked us
>>> and proceeded down the trail. We had all these flash backs of the
>>> 60's and
>>> 70's. and you have to remember that central Oregon PCT isn't too
>>> far away
>>> from Eugene (University of Oregon) which is the weed capital of
>>> Oregon. We
>>> thought it was pretty funny.
>>>
>>> Dennis
>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:19:16 -0700
> From: Dennis Phelan <dennis.phelan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Smoking on the trail
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I don't often jump into a pile of smelly stuff like this email tread is
> becoming; but I do take exception to being called an idiot because I might
> not agree with you. I hope your medication, whatever it is, helps you with
> a much needed attitude adjustment.
>
> Dennis Phelan
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:27 AM, kelsocurtiss at gmail.com <
> kelsocurtiss at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Marijuana helps my saddened "medical condition" from ripping the heads off
>> the ignorant assholes I meet everyday. I figured this thread would be
>> helpful and full of ignorant assholes. I plan on being very respectful of
>> all on the trail until you mess with my hike. Im a proud advocate for
>> veterans for cannabis use. My federally funded VA hospital is now forced by
>> Obama to allow veterans access to cannabis. I wish I could due to the
>> ignorance it has caused. Ive read thousands of emails on here over the last
>> 9 months and nothing seemed as controversial (maybe the bikes thread). I'm
>> done arguing with idiots. If you're not an idiot, don't take offense. If
>> you are an idiot, stop replying to my comments. I'll be disconnecting from
>> the list today and putting more time into last minute planning rather than
>> email arguing. For those that wish to avoid me. Check out trailvsman.comyou at least know who your avoiding. See everyone at kickoff.
>> Chris Curtiss
>> TrailvsMan.com
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:22:17 -0700
> From: Carrot Quinn <krotten at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] What's the best device to blog on the trail?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hey all,
>
> I'm going to be blogging during my thru-hike. Is an iphone the best device
> for this? Right now I have an android with a physical keyboard, but the
> phone is falling to pieces and it's time for a new phone. I really prefer a
> physical keyboard- does anyone have experience with the little sliding
> keyboards you can buy for iphones? What's your favorite way to update your
> online journal on the trail?
>
> Best,
> carrot
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:25:37 -0700
> From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Smoking on the trail
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> It never ceases to amaze me at the level of offense people take
> voluntarily and by their own free choice. Makes me wonder just who
> really needs an attitude adjustment. All of us?
>
> Don't want to be offended? Then just don't. It really is that simple.
> I know it isn't easy for everyone, but it is just that simple. It gets
> easier with practice.
>
> Be well, everyone. There is just too much marvelous-ness around you to
> bother with being offended by some electrons floating around some
> wires.
>
> Dan
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Dennis Phelan <dennis.phelan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I don't often jump into a pile of smelly stuff like this email tread is
>> becoming; but I do take exception to being called an idiot because I might
>> not agree with you. I hope your medication, whatever it is, helps you with
>> a much needed attitude adjustment.
>>
>> Dennis Phelan
>
>
> --
> "Loud motorcycle stereos save lives."
> Motorcycle to hike, hike to motorcycle.
> Make a friend of pain and you'll never be alone.
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:29:44 -0700
> From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] What's the best device to blog on the trail?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Decide which manner of transmission you want to use to get the info
> where you need it to go (cellular data plan, wi-fi where available,
> etc.), look at the data that shows where your chosen service is
> available on trail (Half Mile's website has this info), compare it to
> the other services, find out what devices are available that will do
> what you want, and go for it.
>
> Just like prefect days, there are no perfect devices for everyone. You
> have to find what will work best for you.
>
> Dan Jacobs
> Washougal
> --
> "Loud motorcycle stereos save lives."
> Motorcycle to hike, hike to motorcycle.
> Make a friend of pain and you'll never be alone.
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:40:03 -0700
> From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] "Born to Run", shoes, and feet.
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I've been listening to "Born to Run" by Chris McDougal about barefoot
> running, shoes , feet, etc. I am through chapter 25. Thank you so much
> to those that brought this book to my attention.
>
> Oh.
> My.
> God!
>
> I now know why I have always had foot problems. It's the shoes and
> efforts to make my feet do things that are unnatural, not my feet. I
> will now endeavour to make my feet stronger by using them, and not
> supporting them with shoes, padding, arch supports, and all other
> expensive manner of "inventions" that may have helped a little, but do
> not work as well as wearing the minimal shoes and chagning my gait and
> walking style as I have been doing for the last few weeks.
>
> Folks that wear sandals on trail are on the right path, too.
>
> I am a changed man. I may even get back to jogging and running again
> as I enjoyed when I was a kid.
>
> This way is not for everyone. If it is, then you *must* try this.
> Start by reading "Born to Run".
>
> Dan Jacobs
> Washougal
> --
> "Loud motorcycle stereos save lives."
> Motorcycle to hike, hike to motorcycle.
> Make a friend of pain and you'll never be alone.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:50:07 -0700
> From: Taylor Matheson <tmatheson33 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] smoking on the trail
> To: Ron <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <DD881EB8-89C2-4237-BABA-4BD7CE559DE9 at yahoo.com>
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>
> You are correct. But with state laws that makes it legal without fear of criminal liability the only way to be prosecuted for legal use of medical marijuana is for the state prosecutor to take it to the supreme court. For this to happen the prosecutor would have to go through Local trial courts, State Appeals Court, then the individual states highest Court of Appeals, only then it can be presented to the supreme court. Even then the federal government does not see it as an efficient use of federal resources to pursue individual users who have a legal prescription for medical marijuana. This along with the many cases dismissed both on state and federal levels make it nearly impossible to be prosecuted. Thereby making it basically an unpublishable offense.
>
> Reference:
> http://m.whitehouse.gov/ondcp/federal-laws-pertaining-to-marijuana
> Department of Justice Guidelines:
> The Department of Justice (DOJ) issued guidance for Federal prosecutors in states that have enacted laws authorizing the medical use of marijuana under state law. The guidelines explain that it is likely not an efficient use of federal resources to focus enforcement efforts on individuals with serious illnesses who use marijuana as part of a recommended treatment regimen consistent with applicable state law or their individual non-commercial caregiver. However, persons who are in the business of cultivating, selling, or distributing marijuana, and those who knowingly facilitate such activities, are in violation of Federal law, and are subject to Federal enforcement action, including potential prosecution.
>
> http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/03-04/bill/sen/sb_0401-0450/sb_420_bill_20031012_chaptered.html
> S.B. 420- the compassionate use act of 1996,section 1 states:
> On November, 6 1996 the people of the state of California enacted the compassionate use act of 1996 (hereafter the act),
> codified in section 11362.5 of the health and safety code in order to allow seriously ill residents of the state, who have the
> oral or written approval or recommendation of a physician, to use marijuana for medical purposes without fear of criminal
> liability under sections 11357 and 11358 of the healthy and safety code.
>
> I have not included references to Oregon and Washington laws on this subject since most state laws are
> Drafted using California's laws as the base. Oh and in Washington you don't even need a prescription anymore.
>
> On Mar 13, 2013, at 10:12, Ron <chiefcowboy at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Federal laws apply everywhere not just on federal land.
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Smartphone
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:05:43 -0700
> From: Melissa Cappetti <melissa.cappetti at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Poison Oak/Ivy & Poodle-Dog Bush on the PCT
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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> Hello PCT Friends! (First time PCT Hiker here)
>
> I was hoping to get some pointers on how bad the Poison Oak/Ivy situation
> is along the PCT and I've heard that there is another plant to avoid as
> well [Poodle-Dog Bush (Turricula)]. I'm very allergic to Poison Oak and
> don't want to learn on the PCT what kind of reaction I could have with the
> infamous Poodle-Dog bush either.
>
> 10 days ago I did a training hike in Big Sur and the trail was a little
> overgrown in spots. As I walked along the trail, plants and sticks were
> brushing along my legs and body. I was experimenting with the hiking skort
> the PCT ladies had recommended so my legs were bare mid thigh down to my
> ankles.
>
> A day or two later I was horrified to see the red itchy welts forming all
> over my body (not just my legs). I had forgotten how bad I reacted to
> poison oak. I did not seek out medical attention until 9 days later (this
> past Monday) when it was so bad I couldn't stand it anymore. I am now on
> Prednisone, Hydroxyzine HCL, and rubbing hydrocortisone cream on my
> lesions. I'm slowly healing up now but still pretty miserable and my skin
> looks terrible.
>
> I can't even imagine having this on the trail... Any pointers you can give
> to help me avoid coming in contact with any itch producing plants would be
> greatly appreciated. Common sense tells me to stay on the trail when
> possible, avoid 3 leafed plants all together, and be careful where I go
> potty and set up camp.
>
> Oh, one more thing...any pointers on how to clean off the Poison Oak oils
> off my new ULA backpack would be greatly appreciated. I'm afraid to touch
> it! I was thinking about putting the backpack in a bathtub of warm water
> and using dish washing liquid to remove the oil (while wearing
> gloves)...but not sure if this is a good idea or not.
>
> Thank you for your help!
> Melissa
> (no trail name yet)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:09:53 -0700
> From: Tortoise <tortoise73 at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] smoking on the trail
> To: Taylor Matheson <tmatheson33 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <08C81348-D4EB-4C4E-8520-E5C66C1AEC69 at charter.net>
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> IANAL!
>
> While various states including California have passed laws somewhat legalizing marijuana, under federal law marijuana use anywhere in the USA is still illegal. This including all the non federal lands, not just federal lands.
>
>
> Tortoise
>
> All content is copyrighted by their respective authors.
> Use elsewhere than this list without permission prohibited.
>
> Dictated / Typoed on my iPad.
>
> On Mar 12, 2013, at 13:14, Taylor Matheson <tmatheson33 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Also just throwing this out there, not to discourage you but to pass on a personal experience, its legal in the states but national parks are federal land which means federal laws apply and state laws do not. so just watch out for the men in green and tan when in those areas. haha Happy trails. Smoke on.
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:22:14 -0700
> From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Poison Oak/Ivy & Poodle-Dog Bush on the PCT
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> http://www.teclabsinc.com/products/poison-oak-ivy
>
> Dan Jacobs
> Washougal
> --
> "Loud motorcycle stereos save lives."
> Motorcycle to hike, hike to motorcycle.
> Make a friend of pain and you'll never be alone.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:49:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Smoking on the trail/fire
> To: "kelsocurtiss at gmail.com" <kelsocurtiss at gmail.com>,
> "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Hello Chris,?
>
> Having also served, I am a supporter of the Wounded Warrior Project. I wish you a great hike. I did check out your website and will be following your progress to Monument 78.
>
> I have only posted once on the subject of "smoking on the trail". So, this is my second.
>
> As I stated, my big concern is about the risk of FIRES being accidentally started on the PCT. I think that it would be accurate to state that wild-fires, other than those intentionally started by arsonists, are never deliberately started. But, over the years, several have been the result of either carelessness or the unexpected. I always advise PCT users to "expect the unexpected" and to anticipate what might happen if - - - .
>
> Everyone who has journeyed a considerable distance on the PCT has, for example, experienced a sudden, and unexpected, big gust of wind - a wind than can blow away a lightweight stove. I have once read on pct-l of one case of that happening and a fire being started. Hikers scrambled and managed to put it out before it spread beyond their control - it was described as a very close call !? I have, personally, put out a campfire that had apparently been abandoned by someone who thought it was out. When I arrived at that campsite it was windy. A fire was slowly burning beneath the pine needles. They had been cleared for about five or six feet around the hiker-made fire ring. A strong enough wind gust can create sparks and also carry them a considerable distance. No one who has accidentally started a wildfire has considered themselves to be careless - they are always "careful" with fire. But wildfires still continue to happen.
>
> As for your smoking a lot of medically perscripted pot while on the PCT, I'm not really bothered by it unless a fire might result, risking, or destroying, the plants and animals that live there - and homes that are near there. I live in Agua Dulce. Much of Action and the part of Agua Dulce where I live is down-wind of the Angeles National Forest. Twice, my life had been impacted by tragic fires, so, I am somewhat paranoid about them.
>
> Have you tried the cookies that contain marijuana ?? Wouldn't the effect be the same?? And you wouldn't have to light it. You would save a lot of matches. And, I understand that they can taste great and also contain lots of calories.? Just wondering.
>
> MendoRider-Hiker
>
>
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> ________________________________
> From: "kelsocurtiss at gmail.com" <kelsocurtiss at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:27 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] Smoking on the trail
>
> Marijuana helps my saddened "medical condition" from ripping the heads off the ignorant assholes I meet everyday. ?I figured this thread would be helpful and full of ignorant assholes. I plan on being very respectful of all on the trail until you mess with my hike. Im a proud advocate for veterans for cannabis use. My federally funded VA hospital is now forced by Obama to allow veterans access to cannabis. I wish I could due to the ignorance it has caused. Ive read thousands of emails on here over the last 9 months and nothing seemed as controversial (maybe the bikes thread). I'm done arguing with idiots. If you're not an idiot, ?don't take offense. If you are an idiot, stop replying to my comments. I'll be disconnecting from the list today and putting more time into last minute planning rather than email arguing. ?For those that wish to avoid me. Check out trailvsman.com you at least know who your avoiding. ?See everyone at kickoff.?
> Chris Curtiss
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> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:52:17 -0700
> From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Poison Oak/Ivy & Poodle-Dog Bush on the PCT
> To: "'Melissa Cappetti'" <melissa.cappetti at gmail.com>,
> "'pct-l at backcountry.net'" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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> Melissa wrote:
> I was hoping to get some pointers on how bad the Poison Oak/Ivy situation is
> along the PCT and I've heard that there is another plant to avoid as well
> [Poodle-Dog Bush (Turricula)]. I'm very allergic to Poison Oak and don't
> want to learn on the PCT what kind of reaction I could have with the
> infamous Poodle-Dog bush either.
>
> I haven't encountered Poodle Dog bush myself but I've heard that some people
> can react to it even more violently than to poison oak. I have no idea if a
> strong susceptibility to Poison Oak also indicates a strong susceptibility
> to Poodle Dog - I guess it depends on whether they share the same underlying
> chemical base. Maybe someone else can speak to that.
>
> There can be a fair amount of Poison Oak on some sections of the PCT, mostly
> in California, at elevations below 4,000 feet or so. There might be some in
> southern Oregon but I don't think there's any in Washington (based on
> memory, could be wrong). How much of a hassle it is depends on how recently
> a maintenance crew has gone through and cut it back. I don't think there is
> poison ivy anywhere on the PCT.
>
> If you react poorly to Poison Oak then I'd strongly recommend wearing long
> pants and a long-sleeved shirt in any area where you might conceivably see
> it. You then have to worry about oils on your clothes but at least it's not
> going straight onto your skin. You should also carry hiking poles if you
> don't already because they're useful for bending aside branches that are
> encroaching into the trail. Again you have to worry about touching the
> poles afterwards but it's better than nothing.
>
> I've heard good things about Zanfel for treating Poison Oak exposure. It's
> expensive but is supposed to work well. I'm not very sensitive to Poison
> Oak myself so I've never had to try it.
>
> One thing to be aware of is that there are a couple of other common plants
> along the PCT that look kind of like Poison Oak to the untrained eye. Some
> people get it confused with Squaw Bush, and of course Poison Oak often grows
> in the same place that regular oak trees grow. The oak tree saplings can
> really freak you out until you learn to tell the difference. If you think
> that every oak tree sapling along the trail is Poison Oak you're going to
> get pretty exhausted with all the gyrating. The good news is that once you
> see actual Poison Oak and study it for a bit, you'll get pretty good at
> scanning the trail and knowing when to be worried and when not to be. The
> leaves really are pretty distinctive.
>
> Diane has a great slideshow of Poison Oak at
> http://www.santabarbarahikes.com/gorp/poisonoak/ if you want to examine
> them.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:56:21 -0500 (CDT)
> From: gary_schenk at verizon.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Poison Oak/Ivy & Poodle-Dog Bush on the PCT
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
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>
> Poison Oak is easy to recognize during the hiking season. So, it's not too hard to avoid. It won't even be around in drier regions, and it's not found above 5000', IIRC.
>
> Poodle Dog is also easy to spot. The flowers are a beautiful purple, so watch out for that. It will mostly be a problem in those portions of the San Gabriels and San Bernardinos that have had recent fires. After a fire, poodle dog is one of the first fire succession plants. It's particularly bad in the area of the Station Fire in the San Gabriels right now. Not everyone is allergic to it, but if you are don't even think about coming into contact with it.
>
> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1080603213000045
>
> Gary
>
>
> On 03/13/13, Melissa Cappetti wrote:
>
> Hello PCT Friends! (First time PCT Hiker here)
>
> I was hoping to get some pointers on how bad the Poison Oak/Ivy situation
> is along the PCT and I've heard that there is another plant to avoid as
> well [Poodle-Dog Bush (Turricula)]. I'm very allergic to Poison Oak and
> don't want to learn on the PCT what kind of reaction I could have with the
> infamous Poodle-Dog bush either.
>
> 10 days ago I did a training hike in Big Sur and the trail was a little
> overgrown in spots. As I walked along the trail, plants and sticks were
> brushing along my legs and body. I was experimenting with the hiking skort
> the PCT ladies had recommended so my legs were bare mid thigh down to my
> ankles.
>
> A day or two later I was horrified to see the red itchy welts forming all
> over my body (not just my legs). I had forgotten how bad I reacted to
> poison oak. I did not seek out medical attention until 9 days later (this
> past Monday) when it was so bad I couldn't stand it anymore. I am now on
> Prednisone, Hydroxyzine HCL, and rubbing hydrocortisone cream on my
> lesions. I'm slowly healing up now but still pretty miserable and my skin
> looks terrible.
>
> I can't even imagine having this on the trail... Any pointers you can give
> to help me avoid coming in contact with any itch producing plants would be
> greatly appreciated. Common sense tells me to stay on the trail when
> possible, avoid 3 leafed plants all together, and be careful where I go
> potty and set up camp.
>
> Oh, one more thing...any pointers on how to clean off the Poison Oak oils
> off my new ULA backpack would be greatly appreciated. I'm afraid to touch
> it! I was thinking about putting the backpack in a bathtub of warm water
> and using dish washing liquid to remove the oil (while wearing
> gloves)...but not sure if this is a good idea or not.
>
> Thank you for your help!
> Melissa
> (no trail name yet)
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> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:01:05 -0700
> From: Taylor Matheson <tmatheson33 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] smoking on the trail
> To: Tortoise <tortoise73 at charter.net>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Haha sorry if I'm misunderstanding you but are you resorting to name calling?haha if this is not the case then disregard the rest of this post and i'm sorry i took it that way. If you are stooping to that level, then Thank you so much for proving a point in my first post on this subject about how people on this list turn subjects they disagree with into petty high school nonsense and resort to personal attacks. I never once disagreed that its illegal on a federal level, just that the federal government won't prosecute individual users. I have only stated facts in an effort to educate close minded and ill informed people on this subject.
>
> On Mar 13, 2013, at 12:09, Tortoise <tortoise73 at charter.net> wrote:
>
>> IANAL!
>>
>> While various states including California have passed laws somewhat legalizing marijuana, under federal law marijuana use anywhere in the USA is still illegal. This including all the non federal lands, not just federal lands.
>>
>>
>> Tortoise
>>
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>> Dictated / Typoed on my iPad.
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> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:18:51 -0700
> From: Taylor Matheson <tmatheson33 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Poison Oak/Ivy & Poodle-Dog Bush on the PCT
> To: Melissa Cappetti <melissa.cappetti at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BC8E83CD-5D14-4B63-AA53-0C7C7EE46E15 at yahoo.com>
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> Check out ivy block or stokogard. Their creams that claim to help prevent or at least slow the absorption of the oils. Healthy.net claims a 95% rate of preventing an outbreak. I also hear that if you know youve contacted the plant to rub deodorant on it and that will help keep the oils from spreading. personal I wouldn't use that stick of deodorant for any other purpose though.
>
> On Mar 13, 2013, at 12:05, Melissa Cappetti <melissa.cappetti at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello PCT Friends! (First time PCT Hiker here)
>>
>> I was hoping to get some pointers on how bad the Poison Oak/Ivy situation
>> is along the PCT and I've heard that there is another plant to avoid as
>> well [Poodle-Dog Bush (Turricula)]. I'm very allergic to Poison Oak and
>> don't want to learn on the PCT what kind of reaction I could have with the
>> infamous Poodle-Dog bush either.
>>
>> 10 days ago I did a training hike in Big Sur and the trail was a little
>> overgrown in spots. As I walked along the trail, plants and sticks were
>> brushing along my legs and body. I was experimenting with the hiking skort
>> the PCT ladies had recommended so my legs were bare mid thigh down to my
>> ankles.
>>
>> A day or two later I was horrified to see the red itchy welts forming all
>> over my body (not just my legs). I had forgotten how bad I reacted to
>> poison oak. I did not seek out medical attention until 9 days later (this
>> past Monday) when it was so bad I couldn't stand it anymore. I am now on
>> Prednisone, Hydroxyzine HCL, and rubbing hydrocortisone cream on my
>> lesions. I'm slowly healing up now but still pretty miserable and my skin
>> looks terrible.
>>
>> I can't even imagine having this on the trail... Any pointers you can give
>> to help me avoid coming in contact with any itch producing plants would be
>> greatly appreciated. Common sense tells me to stay on the trail when
>> possible, avoid 3 leafed plants all together, and be careful where I go
>> potty and set up camp.
>>
>> Oh, one more thing...any pointers on how to clean off the Poison Oak oils
>> off my new ULA backpack would be greatly appreciated. I'm afraid to touch
>> it! I was thinking about putting the backpack in a bathtub of warm water
>> and using dish washing liquid to remove the oil (while wearing
>> gloves)...but not sure if this is a good idea or not.
>>
>> Thank you for your help!
>> Melissa
>> (no trail name yet)
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> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:22:29 -0400
> From: Tom Holz <tom.holz at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] "Born to Run", shoes, and feet.
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Dan
>
> Kind of eye-poping, right? :-) If you haven't already, skims through a how-to book to read about the technique before you take your shoes off. Here are some I found useful, in order of personal preference:
>
> * Barefoot Running Step by Step, by Ken Bob Saxton
> * Chi Running, by Danny Dreyer
> * The Barefoot Running Book, by Jason Robillard
> * The Complete Idiot's Guide to Barefoot Running, by Dr. Craig Richards
>
> It's possible to teach yourself, but so much easier when you have a model to work from, and there are some common pitfalls that lead to injuries.
>
> Good luck, and Happy running!
> Bigfoot
>
>
> On Mar 13, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been listening to "Born to Run" by Chris McDougal about barefoot
>> running, shoes , feet, etc. I am through chapter 25. Thank you so much
>> to those that brought this book to my attention.
>>
>> Oh.
>> My.
>> God!
>>
>> I now know why I have always had foot problems. It's the shoes and
>> efforts to make my feet do things that are unnatural, not my feet. I
>> will now endeavour to make my feet stronger by using them, and not
>> supporting them with shoes, padding, arch supports, and all other
>> expensive manner of "inventions" that may have helped a little, but do
>> not work as well as wearing the minimal shoes and chagning my gait and
>> walking style as I have been doing for the last few weeks.
>>
>> Folks that wear sandals on trail are on the right path, too.
>>
>> I am a changed man. I may even get back to jogging and running again
>> as I enjoyed when I was a kid.
>>
>> This way is not for everyone. If it is, then you *must* try this.
>> Start by reading "Born to Run".
>>
>> Dan Jacobs
>> Washougal
>> --
>> "Loud motorcycle stereos save lives."
>> Motorcycle to hike, hike to motorcycle.
>> Make a friend of pain and you'll never be alone.
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> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:45:44 -0400
> From: Pamela McCullough <Pamelarun at aol.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] ursacks
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> What are your thoughts on using the ursack for carrying food? Pamela
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:58:46 -0700
> From: John Abela <john at hikelighter.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ursacks
> To: Pamela McCullough <Pamelarun at aol.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Totally unnecessary on the PCT and way to heavy for day to day use. In
> those few places they are really needed, you will have to be using a
> bear canister anyway.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Pamela McCullough <Pamelarun at aol.com> wrote:
>> What are your thoughts on using the ursack for carrying food? Pamela
>>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 22:24:41 +0000
> From: Tracy Fisher <tfisher9 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Instant Rice, Powered Cheese & Butter
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> What is everyone's favourite of the following and the best source for them, bulk or otherwise?
>
> 1. Instant Rice
> 2. Powered Cheese
> 3. Powered Butter
>
> I've tried a couple instant rice mixes as well as cheese powers that were not that great. I am looking for products that lean towards healthy (with mostly all natural ingredients or at least with very few ingredients).
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Tracy
>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:27:42 -0500
> From: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Instant Rice, Powered Cheese & Butter
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> POWDERED CHEESE!?!?! Say it isn't so! That's worse than turkey bacon.
> Just carry real cheese. You can buy it at pretty much any resupply place,
> including resorts and C-Stores.
>
> yogi
> www.pcthandbook.com
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Tracy Fisher <tfisher9 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What is everyone's favourite of the following and the best source for
>> them, bulk or otherwise?
>>
>> 1. Instant Rice
>> 2. Powered Cheese
>> 3. Powered Butter
>>
>> I've tried a couple instant rice mixes as well as cheese powers that were
>> not that great. I am looking for products that lean towards healthy (with
>> mostly all natural ingredients or at least with very few ingredients).
>>
>> All suggestions appreciated.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Tracy
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> Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:32:31 -0700
> From: John Abela <john at hikelighter.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Instant Rice, Powered Cheese & Butter
> To: Tracy Fisher <tfisher9 at hotmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> 1) Uggh, instant rice is instant rice
>
> 2) If you just *have* to have powdered cheese, this was the best I
> could find a few years back: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00016LZT8/
>
> 3) I found this to be pretty good: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000WR2FT0/
>
> 4) You did not mention milk.. but this "imported" Nido is the best
> stuff out there: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001EQ5HUW/
>
>
> +1 for what Yogi said!!
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Tracy Fisher <tfisher9 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> What is everyone's favourite of the following and the best source for them, bulk or otherwise?
>>
>> 1. Instant Rice
>> 2. Powered Cheese
>> 3. Powered Butter
>>
>> I've tried a couple instant rice mixes as well as cheese powers that were not that great. I am looking for products that lean towards healthy (with mostly all natural ingredients or at least with very few ingredients).
>>
>> All suggestions appreciated.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Tracy
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> Message: 22
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 22:35:06 +0000
> From: Tracy Fisher <tfisher9 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Instant Rice, Powered Cheese & Butter
> To: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> How dare you all caps me! My dad owns a powered cheese factory.... ;-)
>
> No, really, thanks for the tip/info. Yes, I'd much rather eat real cheese.
>
> Tracy
>
> ----------------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:27:42 -0500
>> From: yogihikes at gmail.com
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Instant Rice, Powered Cheese & Butter
>>
>> POWDERED CHEESE!?!?! Say it isn't so! That's worse than turkey bacon.
>> Just carry real cheese. You can buy it at pretty much any resupply place,
>> including resorts and C-Stores.
>>
>> yogi
>> www.pcthandbook.com
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Tracy Fisher <tfisher9 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What is everyone's favourite of the following and the best source for
>>> them, bulk or otherwise?
>>>
>>> 1. Instant Rice
>>> 2. Powered Cheese
>>> 3. Powered Butter
>>>
>>> I've tried a couple instant rice mixes as well as cheese powers that were
>>> not that great. I am looking for products that lean towards healthy (with
>>> mostly all natural ingredients or at least with very few ingredients).
>>>
>>> All suggestions appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Tracy
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> Message: 23
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 22:41:28 +0000
> From: lilacs007 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Smoking on the trail
> To: "Dan Jacobs" <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>,
> pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net, pct-l at backcountry.net
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> So, a guy is in such sad "medical condition" that he has to resort to
> smoking pot........BUT he intends to undertake one of the most physically
> challenging tasks out there. Interesting.
>
> I was confused by this statement.. That's why I said what I did. There have been a lot of people completing the hike with a disability. There was a kid on the trail with a huge tumor and had chemo in middle of hike!
>
> Pot helps me, I can't smoke though cause illegal and if I could I would get off my meds to smoke it. Although it makes me sleepy.
>
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
> Sender: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 08:53:51
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Smoking on the trail
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:35 AM, <lilacs007 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> So.. People like me with neurological conditions or disabilities are not allowed on the trail?
>>
>> I'm on morphine.
>
> Well get off of her, she needs to go to work!
>
> Morphine is a drug that can be prescribed in accordance with federal
> law. No legal ambiguity there between fed law and the current state's
> state of things.
>
> Dan Jacobs
> Washougal
> --
> "Loud motorcycle stereos save lives."
> Motorcycle to hike, hike to motorcycle.
> Make a friend of pain and you'll never be alone.
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> Message: 24
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:43:52 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Dan Engleman <danengleman at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Poison Oak/Ivy & Poodle-Dog Bush on the PCT
> To: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>, 'Melissa Cappetti'
> <melissa.cappetti at gmail.com>, "'pct-l at backcountry.net'"
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> I got to experience the joys of poodledog bush rash, in 2011.? I was pretty careful on the trail. ?I knew what it looked like.??I was well aware of?poodle dog bushes, poison?oak and ivy.??It can feel like a bit of an obstacle course, at times, but I felt like I was doing a pretty good job?of being careful, that is until I?left Hikertown.? It seemed like I got exposed to the poodledog scourge, while I was at Hikertown!? It is possible that I was exposed shortly before I got there.? There was another hiker at Hikertown, with poodle rash, when I got there.
> ?
> I always wondered if I somehow got exposed to the poodledog "stuff" from the?washing machine, or maybe one of the couches at Hikertown (not even sure if that?is possible)?? What ever the case, mine emerged at my sock line and before it was all over my entire calfs were all rashed out.?It is very unpleasant to say the least.??It?tried to treat it, but?I think time is what healed it (about 2 weeks).?
> ?
> It would be intersting to know if any of the PCT-Lers have any idea if you can get the rash from?someone elses hiker duds, or from a washer. ?I use a cold setting when I wash my clothes, so maybe that?made me more?vulnerable??
> ?
> Dan
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> To: 'Melissa Cappetti' <melissa.cappetti at gmail.com>; "'pct-l at backcountry.net'" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 12:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Poison Oak/Ivy & Poodle-Dog Bush on the PCT
>
> Melissa wrote:
> I was hoping to get some pointers on how bad the Poison Oak/Ivy situation is
> along the PCT and I've heard that there is another plant to avoid as well
> [Poodle-Dog Bush (Turricula)].? I'm very allergic to Poison Oak and don't
> want to learn on the PCT what kind of reaction I could have with the
> infamous Poodle-Dog bush either.
>
> I haven't encountered Poodle Dog bush myself but I've heard that some people
> can react to it even more violently than to poison oak.? I have no idea if a
> strong susceptibility to Poison Oak also indicates a strong susceptibility
> to Poodle Dog - I guess it depends on whether they share the same underlying
> chemical base.? Maybe someone else can speak to that.
>
> There can be a fair amount of Poison Oak on some sections of the PCT, mostly
> in California, at elevations below 4,000 feet or so.? There might be some in
> southern Oregon but I don't think there's any in Washington (based on
> memory, could be wrong).? How much of a hassle it is depends on how recently
> a maintenance crew has gone through and cut it back.? I don't think there is
> poison ivy anywhere on the PCT.
>
> If you react poorly to Poison Oak then I'd strongly recommend wearing long
> pants and a long-sleeved shirt in any area where you might conceivably see
> it.? You then have to worry about oils on your clothes but at least it's not
> going straight onto your skin.? You should also carry hiking poles if you
> don't already because they're useful for bending aside branches that are
> encroaching into the trail.? Again you have to worry about touching the
> poles afterwards but it's better than nothing.
>
> I've heard good things about Zanfel for treating Poison Oak exposure.? It's
> expensive but is supposed to work well.? I'm not very sensitive to Poison
> Oak myself so I've never had to try it.
>
> One thing to be aware of is that there are a couple of other common plants
> along the PCT that look kind of like Poison Oak to the untrained eye.? Some
> people get it confused with Squaw Bush, and of course Poison Oak often grows
> in the same place that regular oak trees grow.? The oak tree saplings can
> really freak you out until you learn to tell the difference.? If you think
> that every oak tree sapling along the trail is Poison Oak you're going to
> get pretty exhausted with all the gyrating.? The good news is that once you
> see actual Poison Oak and study it for a bit, you'll get pretty good at
> scanning the trail and knowing when to be worried and when not to be.? The
> leaves really are pretty distinctive.
>
> Diane has a great slideshow of Poison Oak at
> http://www.santabarbarahikes.com/gorp/poisonoak/ if you want to examine
> them.
>
> Eric
>
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> Message: 25
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:44:24 -0700
> From: Melissa Cappetti <melissa.cappetti at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Poison Oak/Ivy & Poodle-Dog Bush on the PCT
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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> Thank you to everyone who responded! I was very impressed with the quick
> feedback and helpful advice. I tried to respond to each and every one of
> you and I think I successfully accomplished that :)
>
> You guys are awesome! I'm afraid I may need to give up the skort option in
> favor of long pants to protect my legs from Poison Oak. Bummer...but
> likely the smart thing to do considering it sounds like there is Poison Oak
> all over the place.
>
> Hopefully I'll see some of you on the trail and we will all be rash free!
> ~Melissa
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Melissa Cappetti <
> melissa.cappetti at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello PCT Friends! (First time PCT Hiker here)
>>
>> I was hoping to get some pointers on how bad the Poison Oak/Ivy situation
>> is along the PCT and I've heard that there is another plant to avoid as
>> well [Poodle-Dog Bush (Turricula)]. I'm very allergic to Poison Oak and
>> don't want to learn on the PCT what kind of reaction I could have with the
>> infamous Poodle-Dog bush either.
>>
>> 10 days ago I did a training hike in Big Sur and the trail was a little
>> overgrown in spots. As I walked along the trail, plants and sticks were
>> brushing along my legs and body. I was experimenting with the hiking skort
>> the PCT ladies had recommended so my legs were bare mid thigh down to my
>> ankles.
>>
>> A day or two later I was horrified to see the red itchy welts forming all
>> over my body (not just my legs). I had forgotten how bad I reacted to
>> poison oak. I did not seek out medical attention until 9 days later (this
>> past Monday) when it was so bad I couldn't stand it anymore. I am now on
>> Prednisone, Hydroxyzine HCL, and rubbing hydrocortisone cream on my
>> lesions. I'm slowly healing up now but still pretty miserable and my skin
>> looks terrible.
>>
>> I can't even imagine having this on the trail... Any pointers you can give
>> to help me avoid coming in contact with any itch producing plants would be
>> greatly appreciated. Common sense tells me to stay on the trail when
>> possible, avoid 3 leafed plants all together, and be careful where I go
>> potty and set up camp.
>>
>> Oh, one more thing...any pointers on how to clean off the Poison Oak oils
>> off my new ULA backpack would be greatly appreciated. I'm afraid to touch
>> it! I was thinking about putting the backpack in a bathtub of warm water
>> and using dish washing liquid to remove the oil (while wearing
>> gloves)...but not sure if this is a good idea or not.
>>
>> Thank you for your help!
>> Melissa
>> (no trail name yet)
>
>
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> Message: 26
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:47:13 -0700
> From: Melissa Cappetti <melissa.cappetti at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Poison Oak/Ivy & Poodle-Dog Bush on the PCT
> To: Dan Engleman <danengleman at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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> +1 to Dan's questions (+1 in Google language means I'm curious too)
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Dan Engleman <danengleman at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I got to experience the joys of poodledog bush rash, in 2011. I was
>> pretty careful on the trail. I knew what it looked like. I was well aware
>> of poodle dog bushes, poison oak and ivy. It can feel like a bit of an
>> obstacle course, at times, but I felt like I was doing a pretty good job of
>> being careful, that is until I left Hikertown. It seemed like I got
>> exposed to the poodledog scourge, while I was at Hikertown! It is possible
>> that I was exposed shortly before I got there. There was another hiker at
>> Hikertown, with poodle rash, when I got there.
>>
>> I always wondered if I somehow got exposed to the poodledog "stuff" from
>> the washing machine, or maybe one of the couches at Hikertown (not even
>> sure if that is possible)? What ever the case, mine emerged at my sock
>> line and before it was all over my entire calfs were all rashed out. It is
>> very unpleasant to say the least. It tried to treat it, but I think time
>> is what healed it (about 2 weeks).
>>
>> It would be intersting to know if any of the PCT-Lers have any idea if
>> you can get the rash from someone elses hiker duds, or from a washer. I
>> use a cold setting when I wash my clothes, so maybe that made me
>> more vulnerable?
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> *From:* Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
>> *To:* 'Melissa Cappetti' <melissa.cappetti at gmail.com>; "'
>> pct-l at backcountry.net'" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 13, 2013 12:52 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [pct-l] Poison Oak/Ivy & Poodle-Dog Bush on the PCT
>>
>> Melissa wrote:
>> I was hoping to get some pointers on how bad the Poison Oak/Ivy situation
>> is
>> along the PCT and I've heard that there is another plant to avoid as well
>> [Poodle-Dog Bush (Turricula)]. I'm very allergic to Poison Oak and don't
>> want to learn on the PCT what kind of reaction I could have with the
>> infamous Poodle-Dog bush either.
>>
>> I haven't encountered Poodle Dog bush myself but I've heard that some
>> people
>> can react to it even more violently than to poison oak. I have no idea if
>> a
>> strong susceptibility to Poison Oak also indicates a strong susceptibility
>> to Poodle Dog - I guess it depends on whether they share the same
>> underlying
>> chemical base. Maybe someone else can speak to that.
>>
>> There can be a fair amount of Poison Oak on some sections of the PCT,
>> mostly
>> in California, at elevations below 4,000 feet or so. There might be some
>> in
>> southern Oregon but I don't think there's any in Washington (based on
>> memory, could be wrong). How much of a hassle it is depends on how
>> recently
>> a maintenance crew has gone through and cut it back. I don't think there
>> is
>> poison ivy anywhere on the PCT.
>>
>> If you react poorly to Poison Oak then I'd strongly recommend wearing long
>> pants and a long-sleeved shirt in any area where you might conceivably see
>> it. You then have to worry about oils on your clothes but at least it's
>> not
>> going straight onto your skin. You should also carry hiking poles if you
>> don't already because they're useful for bending aside branches that are
>> encroaching into the trail. Again you have to worry about touching the
>> poles afterwards but it's better than nothing.
>>
>> I've heard good things about Zanfel for treating Poison Oak exposure. It's
>> expensive but is supposed to work well. I'm not very sensitive to Poison
>> Oak myself so I've never had to try it.
>>
>> One thing to be aware of is that there are a couple of other common plants
>> along the PCT that look kind of like Poison Oak to the untrained eye. Some
>> people get it confused with Squaw Bush, and of course Poison Oak often
>> grows
>> in the same place that regular oak trees grow. The oak tree saplings can
>> really freak you out until you learn to tell the difference. If you think
>> that every oak tree sapling along the trail is Poison Oak you're going to
>> get pretty exhausted with all the gyrating. The good news is that once you
>> see actual Poison Oak and study it for a bit, you'll get pretty good at
>> scanning the trail and knowing when to be worried and when not to be. The
>> leaves really are pretty distinctive.
>>
>> Diane has a great slideshow of Poison Oak at
>> http://www.santabarbarahikes.com/gorp/poisonoak/ if you want to examine
>> them.
>>
>> Eric
>>
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> Message: 27
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 07:31:45 -0700 (PDT)
> From: dicentra <dicentragirl at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ADZPCTKO Vendors : To pole or not to pole
> To: patrick griffith <patrickjgriffith at hotmail.com>,
> melaniekclarke at gmail.com, JPL <jplynch at crosslink.net>
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> Gossamer Gear usually has poles at their booth. Plus (name escaping me at the momment) the local gear store that comes every year would have them (their entire store, really. It's pretty amazing) available.
>
> When I fly to hiking events, I wrap my poles in my sleeping mat and then put them in the center of my luggage, protected by my sleeping bag, tent and clothes. That said, I have collapsable poles and that is easy enough to do.
> ?
> ~Dicentra
>
>
> http://www.onepanwonders.com?~ Backcountry Cooking at its Finest
> http://www.freewebs.com/dicentra
>
> ?
>
> --- On Wed, 3/13/13, JPL <jplynch at crosslink.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: JPL <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ADZPCTKO Vendors : To pole or not to pole
> To: "patrick griffith" <patrickjgriffith at hotmail.com>, melaniekclarke at gmail.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2013, 6:50 AM
>
>
> I saw the announcement that included ski poles; didn't see hiking poles
> specifically but most folks can't tell them apart.? What I'm planning to do
> for my Sierra hiking is pack all my expensive and difficult to replace stuff
> in my pack (small enough to pass for a day pack) and carry it on board.? My
> poles, other non-hiking stuff, and easier to replace stuff, will go in a
> small duffel bag.? There's a specialty duffel bag web site that carries
> unusual sizes; I got one that's long enough to accommodate my collapsed
> poles, and small enough diameter so as not to be overly bulky.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrick griffith
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:31 AM
> To: melaniekclarke at gmail.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ADZPCTKO Vendors : To pole or not to pole
>
>
> I did see that,
> However I'm not sure I'm willing to risk an argument over them at check in,
> i'd prefer to play it safe
> Patrick
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 05:27:11 -0800
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ADZPCTKO Vendors : To pole or not to pole
> From: melaniekclarke at gmail.com
> To: patrickjgriffith at hotmail.com
> CC: pct-l at backcountry.net
>
> Hiking and ski poles are now approved for flying, as are small knives. This
> just happened last week!
> On Mar 13, 2013 6:22 AM, "patrick griffith" <patrickjgriffith at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Amongst the vendors at KO will there be someone selling hiking poles?
>
> It is not easy flying with hiking poles internationally, so I'm not not
> going to bother with getting them before, and I'll be sorting out so much
> else it'd be great if I could forget about oles until I actually start.
>
>
> Also, I have never hiked with poles before so will spend the first week
> without to see how it goes and if need be i'll buy some at KO, assuming I
> can of course...
>
> Patrick
>
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> Message: 28
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:25:26 -0700
> From: David Tamblyn <surforcycle at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Poison Oak/Ivy & Poodle-Dog Bush on the PCT
> To: Melissa Cappetti <melissa.cappetti at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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> Try washing pack, etc using Tecnu - local pharmacy or sports store will have it.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 13, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Melissa Cappetti <melissa.cappetti at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello PCT Friends! (First time PCT Hiker here)
>>
>> I was hoping to get some pointers on how bad the Poison Oak/Ivy situation
>> is along the PCT and I've heard that there is another plant to avoid as
>> well [Poodle-Dog Bush (Turricula)]. I'm very allergic to Poison Oak and
>> don't want to learn on the PCT what kind of reaction I could have with the
>> infamous Poodle-Dog bush either.
>>
>> 10 days ago I did a training hike in Big Sur and the trail was a little
>> overgrown in spots. As I walked along the trail, plants and sticks were
>> brushing along my legs and body. I was experimenting with the hiking skort
>> the PCT ladies had recommended so my legs were bare mid thigh down to my
>> ankles.
>>
>> A day or two later I was horrified to see the red itchy welts forming all
>> over my body (not just my legs). I had forgotten how bad I reacted to
>> poison oak. I did not seek out medical attention until 9 days later (this
>> past Monday) when it was so bad I couldn't stand it anymore. I am now on
>> Prednisone, Hydroxyzine HCL, and rubbing hydrocortisone cream on my
>> lesions. I'm slowly healing up now but still pretty miserable and my skin
>> looks terrible.
>>
>> I can't even imagine having this on the trail... Any pointers you can give
>> to help me avoid coming in contact with any itch producing plants would be
>> greatly appreciated. Common sense tells me to stay on the trail when
>> possible, avoid 3 leafed plants all together, and be careful where I go
>> potty and set up camp.
>>
>> Oh, one more thing...any pointers on how to clean off the Poison Oak oils
>> off my new ULA backpack would be greatly appreciated. I'm afraid to touch
>> it! I was thinking about putting the backpack in a bathtub of warm water
>> and using dish washing liquid to remove the oil (while wearing
>> gloves)...but not sure if this is a good idea or not.
>>
>> Thank you for your help!
>> Melissa
>> (no trail name yet)
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> Message: 29
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:48:28 -0700
> From: Crystal Shum <cscatchall at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Instant Rice, Powered Cheese & Butter
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>, Tracy Fisher
> <tfisher9 at hotmail.com>
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> You know not everyone realizes that hard cheeses don't really need constant refrigeration. I went round and round about this with a Trader Joe's employee once.
>
> On Mar 13, 2013, at 3:35 PM, "Tracy Fisher" <tfisher9 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> How dare you all caps me! My dad owns a powered cheese factory.... ;-)
>>
>> No, really, thanks for the tip/info. Yes, I'd much rather eat real cheese.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:27:42 -0500
>>> From: yogihikes at gmail.com
>>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Instant Rice, Powered Cheese & Butter
>>>
>>> POWDERED CHEESE!?!?! Say it isn't so! That's worse than turkey bacon.
>>> Just carry real cheese. You can buy it at pretty much any resupply place,
>>> including resorts and C-Stores.
>>>
>>> yogi
>>> www.pcthandbook.com
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Tracy Fisher <tfisher9 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What is everyone's favourite of the following and the best source for
>>>> them, bulk or otherwise?
>>>>
>>>> 1. Instant Rice
>>>> 2. Powered Cheese
>>>> 3. Powered Butter
>>>>
>>>> I've tried a couple instant rice mixes as well as cheese powers that were
>>>> not that great. I am looking for products that lean towards healthy (with
>>>> mostly all natural ingredients or at least with very few ingredients).
>>>>
>>>> All suggestions appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Tracy
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> Message: 30
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:50:09 -0700
> From: David Tamblyn <surforcycle at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Poison Oak/Ivy & Poodle-Dog Bush on the PCT
> To: Dan Engleman <danengleman at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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>> From my PO experience, the oil can last a long time on just about any material until it's dissolved ( washing, time , etc) so the couch or ? could be the culprit. It's clearly nature's payback to us. Not fun, esp in hot weather.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 13, 2013, at 3:43 PM, Dan Engleman <danengleman at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I got to experience the joys of poodledog bush rash, in 2011. I was pretty careful on the trail. I knew what it looked like. I was well aware of poodle dog bushes, poison oak and ivy. It can feel like a bit of an obstacle course, at times, but I felt like I was doing a pretty good job of being careful, that is until I left Hikertown. It seemed like I got exposed to the poodledog scourge, while I was at Hikertown! It is possible that I was exposed shortly before I got there. There was another hiker at Hikertown, with poodle rash, when I got there.
>>
>> I always wondered if I somehow got exposed to the poodledog "stuff" from the washing machine, or maybe one of the couches at Hikertown (not even sure if that is possible)? What ever the case, mine emerged at my sock line and before it was all over my entire calfs were all rashed out. It is very unpleasant to say the least. It tried to treat it, but I think time is what healed it (about 2 weeks).
>>
>> It would be intersting to know if any of the PCT-Lers have any idea if you can get the rash from someone elses hiker duds, or from a washer. I use a cold setting when I wash my clothes, so maybe that made me more vulnerable?
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
>> To: 'Melissa Cappetti' <melissa.cappetti at gmail.com>; "'pct-l at backcountry.net'" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 12:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Poison Oak/Ivy & Poodle-Dog Bush on the PCT
>>
>> Melissa wrote:
>> I was hoping to get some pointers on how bad the Poison Oak/Ivy situation is
>> along the PCT and I've heard that there is another plant to avoid as well
>> [Poodle-Dog Bush (Turricula)]. I'm very allergic to Poison Oak and don't
>> want to learn on the PCT what kind of reaction I could have with the
>> infamous Poodle-Dog bush either.
>>
>> I haven't encountered Poodle Dog bush myself but I've heard that some people
>> can react to it even more violently than to poison oak. I have no idea if a
>> strong susceptibility to Poison Oak also indicates a strong susceptibility
>> to Poodle Dog - I guess it depends on whether they share the same underlying
>> chemical base. Maybe someone else can speak to that.
>>
>> There can be a fair amount of Poison Oak on some sections of the PCT, mostly
>> in California, at elevations below 4,000 feet or so. There might be some in
>> southern Oregon but I don't think there's any in Washington (based on
>> memory, could be wrong). How much of a hassle it is depends on how recently
>> a maintenance crew has gone through and cut it back. I don't think there is
>> poison ivy anywhere on the PCT.
>>
>> If you react poorly to Poison Oak then I'd strongly recommend wearing long
>> pants and a long-sleeved shirt in any area where you might conceivably see
>> it. You then have to worry about oils on your clothes but at least it's not
>> going straight onto your skin. You should also carry hiking poles if you
>> don't already because they're useful for bending aside branches that are
>> encroaching into the trail. Again you have to worry about touching the
>> poles afterwards but it's better than nothing.
>>
>> I've heard good things about Zanfel for treating Poison Oak exposure. It's
>> expensive but is supposed to work well. I'm not very sensitive to Poison
>> Oak myself so I've never had to try it.
>>
>> One thing to be aware of is that there are a couple of other common plants
>> along the PCT that look kind of like Poison Oak to the untrained eye. Some
>> people get it confused with Squaw Bush, and of course Poison Oak often grows
>> in the same place that regular oak trees grow. The oak tree saplings can
>> really freak you out until you learn to tell the difference. If you think
>> that every oak tree sapling along the trail is Poison Oak you're going to
>> get pretty exhausted with all the gyrating. The good news is that once you
>> see actual Poison Oak and study it for a bit, you'll get pretty good at
>> scanning the trail and knowing when to be worried and when not to be. The
>> leaves really are pretty distinctive.
>>
>> Diane has a great slideshow of Poison Oak at
>> http://www.santabarbarahikes.com/gorp/poisonoak/ if you want to examine
>> them.
>>
>> Eric
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> Message: 31
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 08:05:37 -0700
> From: <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Smoking on the trail
> To: <surferskir at aol.com>, <saintgimp at hotmail.com>,
> <kelsocurtiss at gmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Not to mention giving hikers a bad name. It is ILLEGAL, after all.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: surferskir at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:33 PM
> To: saintgimp at hotmail.com ; kelsocurtiss at gmail.com ; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Smoking on the trail
>
>
> Most of the time you will be hiking through Federal National Forests and
> National Parks.
> Ever notice some of the rangers in these areas? They are sworn federal
> officers for the most part, and armed for a reason.
> The uphold/enforce FEDERAL laws. They don give a s___ about what your
> state laws allow. The enforce Federal laws.
> Possession and smoking of MJ is a federal offense. THEY WILL ARREST YOU.
> (At least give you a citation, and it is a long walk to Fresno Federal
> Courthouse).
> I have seen it done.
> Don't smoke and hike.
>
> Besides, when I go up into the mountains I don't want anything polluting the
> clean fresh air I go up to breath.
> Don't spoil it for the rest of us who don't.
>
> --Dennis--
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> To: kelsocurtiss <kelsocurtiss at gmail.com>; pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tue, Mar 12, 2013 11:42 am
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Smoking on the trail
>
>
> Chris wrote:
> So I've waited a while to bring this topic to the forum, but kickoff is
> getting
> closer. Do many or any thru hikers smoke marijuana on their thru hike.
>
> You certainly won't be the only one. As others have said, be respectful of
> others who might not want to be exposed to it, and PLEASE be super paranoid
> about fire.
>
> Eric
>
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> Message: 32
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 08:14:11 -0700
> From: <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Smoking on the trail
> To: <lilacs007 at yahoo.com>, <kelsocurtiss at gmail.com>,
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> So, a guy is in such sad "medical condition" that he has to resort to
> smoking pot........BUT he intends to undertake one of the most physically
> challenging tasks out there. Interesting.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lilacs007 at yahoo.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 4:12 AM
> To: kelsocurtiss at gmail.com ; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Smoking on the trail
>
> Is this kind of like those vapor cigarettes? Meaning there is no flame/fire?
>
> You said medical MJ?
>
> My personal opinion.. Idk how motivated I would be to walk hundreds of miles
> on it ;)
> ------Original Message------
> From: kelsocurtiss at gmail.com
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> ReplyTo: kelsocurtiss at gmail.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Smoking on the trail
> Sent: Mar 11, 2013 10:59 PM
>
> So I've waited a while to bring this topic to the forum, but kickoff is
> getting closer. Do many or any thru hikers smoke marijuana on their thru
> hike. This has been an essential part of my planning process as I smoke as
> much as I eat. The arguments with legality and morality are not what i am
> looking for here. I just want to make sure that I'm not the only stoner
> smokin up the trail. In the last few months I have switched from bud to a
> healthier concentrate known as crumble wax. My trail smoke piece is a
> rechargeable wax vap pen. Wax seems easier to hide in public places,
> especially with 4 months worth. A southern California medical marijuana
> dispensary is sponsoring my hike by supplying my medicine and a central
> California resupply point. Any comments or suggestions, besides to give up
> my goal, are welcome.
> Chris Curtiss
> TrailvsMan.com
> Hiking the PCT for the WWP 2013.
>
>
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> Message: 33
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:08:41 +0000
> From: lilacs007 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] SMOKING ON THE TRAIL
> To: "Jennifer Zimmerman" <jenniferlzim at gmail.com>,
> pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net, "Edward Anderson"
> <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
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> I was a smoker for many years and tried to quit MANY times. I just couldn't .
>
> I got the vapor cigarette system after an extensive search and smoked them. Eventually moving to no nicotine ones.
>
> there were some places where you could not smoke either way- they thought it "promoted the image of smoking". BUT with saying that.. most times I could smoke anywhere.
>
> The reason the cigarettes are so "good" or better is because it's just nicotine, not tar and a million other nasty chemicals. So I have been told nothing harmful comes out.
>
> The vapor cigarettes are so "controversial" because you still have nicotine and it's addictive.
> I will say I couldn't believe how much better I felt after switching!
>
> Sorry rant... In short.. I don't think it would be a violation of the smoking ban.
> Now if they found out what he was smoking... Maybe another story? However they have been told to lay off individual smokers and stick to the "war on drug" dealers.
>
> If anyone is a smoker and is considering quitting or using these vapor cigs as an alternative email me- I can give you the scoop on best and least expensive system. Don't buy the mall stuff :) you will never quit or use those
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jennifer Zimmerman <jenniferlzim at gmail.com>
> Sender: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 11:46:20
> To: Edward Anderson<mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net<pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] SMOKING ON THE TRAIL
>
> If I understand his setup correctly it does not carry the same risk of fire
> as smoking cigarettes would. That's no reason not to use the utmost care,
> of course, but at least he won't be left with a still-smoldering piece of
> trash that would be easy to flick into the dry duff as many smokers do - a
> general pet peeve of mine, by the way.
>
> I would be curious to know whether using a vape would technically violate
> the smoking ban but have not read the exact verbiage.
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Better check with the U.S. Forest service. Due to the fire hazard in most
>> areas, smoking is banned, as are campfires, on most of the PCT. Wildfires
>> have been started by PCT hikers. I recall, in 2008, that the Apatche Fire
>> on California Section B was started by a smoker. The Forest Service shut
>> down the trail to all. We had to go around between Fobes Saddle and
>> Idalwild. They caught the hiker, who had to pay a heavy fine.
>>
>> Do not even consider smoking on the PCT. There are PCT users, including
>> myself, who love the PCT, who will turn you in.
>>
>> MendoRider-Hiker
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> Message: 34
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:40:39 +0000
> From: lilacs007 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] anti-protozoals
> To: surferskir at aol.com, pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net,
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> Yes-
>
> www.globalrph.com/antibiotic/gastroenteritis.htm
>
> I was reading up and fortunately the Giardiasis cysts are so big a typical filter catches them easily.
>
> If you don't have insurance try a "minute clinic" at CVS/Walgreens. They have prices online. I paid with insurance but the total cost they submitted was $79 (and I had a kidney infection, so may be less)
>
> I'm confused though I thought the reason for some super bugs and resistance is due to over prescribing of antibiotics and people not taking the whole dose.
>
> Not a doc either.. Also future med student and crazy know it all (I read way too many case studies!)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: surferskir at aol.com
> Sender: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:37:37
> To: <brick at brickrobbins.com>; <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] anti-protozoals
>
>
> Does Cipro (Ciprofloxacin) work on Gastroenteritis?
>
> --Dennis--
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:18 pm
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] anti-protozoals
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Why the emphasis on Tinidazole? They both are used for Giardiasis.
>> Side effects differences?
>
> You only need one dose of Tinidazole, and you need 5 days of Flagyl.
> The side effects of Tinidazole are way less.
>
> BTW, DO NOT drink alcohol with either of these drugs........Ever, not
> even a little bit
>
> Also, if you are self diagnosing, intestinal parasites usually sneak
> up on you slowly over several days. If you find yourself suddenly,
> violently ill, then you don't have Giardiasis or Crypto, you probably
> have Bacterial or Viral Gastroenteritis, and these antibiotics won't
> help you.
>
> Yeah, I know, don't self diagnose, see a doctor, blah, blah, blah. It
> is hard to find a clinic in the High Sierra, and self diagnosis may be
> the only acceptable alternative. Just be smart about it.
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