[pct-l] Thru numbers

[Jackie McDonnell]

um................I WAS speaking for myself.

Yogi
www.pcthandbook.com


On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:31 PM, linsey <mowoggirl at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Yogi,
>
> Your post below is exactly the sentiment I could never so eloquently
> express with one exception.  You stated:  "...those of us who provide
> trail magic provide it for ALL hikers. We do not discriminate against
> section-hikers or chunk-hikers."
>
> On this point, please speak for yourself.  On my first SOBO attempt in
> 2009, between miles 350 and 450 in Southern Washington, I was twice not
> invited to partake in attended trailside trail magic because I was only a
> Southbounder.  Mind you, I get that but did these so-called angels really
> have to discuss this among themselves loud enough for me to hear them??
>
> The first time two angels did offer to cook me breakfast, I let them know
> I was an unworthy SOBO in case they wanted to back out, then tipped them
> beyond my budget out of shame for only hiking 470ish miles so far because I
> knew I wasn't their intended audience.  Mind you Starbuck and Carnivore,
> who were spending their vacation in a camper cooking for the herd, were so
> gracious that I felt worthy again.
>
> After the herd is past, any trail magic received is more authentic,
> administered by everyday people who have never heard the term 'trail
> angel'.  Frankly I don't want magic from PCT groupies that feel put out by
> doing it.
>
> Sincerely, Lollygag
> 2350 PCT miles and counting despite never making it past Crater Lake (sobo
> of course).
>
> *Jackie McDonnell*
> *Mon Jun 10 09:19:39 CDT 2013*
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> Ann Marie -
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> You are delusional.  You state:  "This year I limited my 3rd gate water
> cache assistance to only two trips (there are others who lead the efforts),
> but I paid for the $60 of water each time. Add my gas and the 5-6 hours
> daily roundtrip commute thru heavily-congested San Diego traffic and I
> quickly became more disenchanted with the "magic" during this, my second
> year of helping."
>
> It sounds like you are irritated with yourself for the time and money you
> spent to HELP hikers.  If it pisses you off so much, stop doing it.  Stop
> banging your head against the wall.
>
> You state:  "Don't misunderstand me, I think water caches in some areas are
> great. I'm positive they are all much appreciated. But I also think the
> extras (fruit, snacks, beer/wine, soda/energy drinks) are too much or
> should be reserved for the thrus getting to Oregon or Washington on their
> own efforts."
>
> My response:  REALLY?  First of all, you're not putting those treats out,
> so it doesn't affect your time/money problems.  Second, those of us who
> provide trail magic provide it for ALL hikers.  We do not discriminate
> against section-hikers or chunk-hikers.
>
> You state:  "Leave water only and leave a big sign saying 1 to 2 liters max
> and request  a $1 or $2 donation to defray the cost. It is no longer
> uacceptable
> to ask for that small donation - my only concern is that the money may be
> stolen."
>
> My respose:  Many hikers leave donations at our Trail Magic.  Many don't.
>  We don't flat out ask for donations, but yes, we do have a donation jar.
>  We treat everyone the same, whether they leave a donation or not.  The
> donations help tremendously, but you are incorrect stating "it is no longer
> unacceptable to ask for a donation".  When you ask for a "donation", it is
> no longer a donation -- now you are charging for a product/service.  You
> are no longer providing magic.  And YES, a donation jar out on the trail
> would get stolen, but not necessarily by thru-hikers.  There are LOTS of
> people on ATVs on the trail in SoCal.  One to two liters max??  Again, you
> are delusional.  You are putting water on the trail for hikers to use.  It
> is at an established cache, so YES hikers count on that water to be there.
>  You put the water for hikers to use, so don't get pissed off that they are
> using. it.
>
> Yogiwww.pcthandbook.com
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