[pct-l] Tent vs Tarp Tent
Kelsey Bowen
kelsey.anne.bowen at gmail.com
Mon Jan 21 14:34:23 CST 2013
Thank you all so much for the info and opinions! I have a lot to consider and will be looking for someone who wants to lend me a tarp that I can try out while it is still winter to see what I think.
Im looking forward to some tarp origami in my future :)
Kelsey
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> 1. SVEA-123 Adventures (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 2. wheeled backpack (jack kendrick)
> 3. Re: wheeled backpack (Robert E. Riess)
> 4. Water filtration (mikey9ty9)
> 5. PCT 2013 Kickoff (Bart Viner)
> 6. Re: Visa Question (Greeny)
> 7. pct section hiker question (Diana clare)
> 8. 2013 PCT Kickoff (Bart Viner)
> 9. Re: Water filtration (Rees Hughes)
> 10. Re: wheeled backpack (Brick Robbins)
> 11. Re: wheeled backpack (Dan Jacobs)
> 12. Re: wheeled backpack (Timothy Nye)
> 13. PCTHYOH 1.5 iOS version updated for the 2013 hiking season -
> wahoo! (Dr. Ritchey A. Ruff)
> 14. Re: wheeled backpack (Chris Anderson)
> 15. Re: PCT 2013 Kickoff (Randy Godfrey)
> 16. Re: pct section hiker question (Dan Engleman)
> 17. PCT 2012 Class Video (Miguel Aguilar)
> 18. Mt. Whitney permit (Angela M)
> 19. Re: Mt. Whitney permit (Joseph Anderson)
> 20. Re: Mt. Whitney permit (Bob Bankhead)
> 21. Re: wheeled backpack (Edward Anderson)
> 22. Re: wheeled backpack (Dan Jacobs)
> 23. Re: SVEA-123 Adventures (Scott Williams)
> 24. Future Hostel in Washington for the PCT. (Cat Nelson)
> 25. "Snow Advice" on Facebook (Ned Tibbits)
> 26. The Trail Show #8 - The Long Trail (Paul Magnanti)
> 27. Re: SVEA-123 Adventures (Ned Tibbits)
> 28. Stoves (Timothy Boyle)
> 29. Re: PCT 2013 Kickoff information (patrick griffith)
> 30. Re: PCT 2013 Kickoff information (Dan Jacobs)
> 31. Re: PCT 2013 Kickoff information (Stephen Clark)
> 32. Re: Stoves (Yoshihiro Murakami)
> 33. Re: wheeled backpack (Sir Mixalot)
> 34. Re: Water filtration (Sir Mixalot)
> 35. Re: Water filtration (Rob Flynn)
> 36. Re: Water filtration (Daniel Zellman)
> 37. Re: SVEA-123 Adventures (CHUCK CHELIN)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 10:30:34 -0800
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] SVEA-123 Adventures
> To: PCT listserve <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Good morning,
>
> Regular users of the SVEA-123 are correct when they responded that under
> average conditions the stove really isn?t all that difficult to start,
> however my situation was a bit different: I didn?t use it under average
> conditions. In the late-50?s and through the 60?s I mostly used a tiny
> campfire to heat food in a modified, traditional Sierra Cup ? by modified I
> mean the wire handle had been re-bent to allow the end of a stick to be
> inserted for security over a fire. The fire was seldom fed with sticks
> larger than a pencil. That worked well except that during three of the
> four seasons here in the Pacific NW -- autumn rain, winter snow, and spring
> rain -- the little sticks are wet.
>
> That?s when I got the SVEA-123. When conditions were right it started OK,
> but there was none of this modern-day turn-the-knob and touch-a-match
> business. It was first necessary to put some fuel in the little recessed
> channel at the top of the tank which, when lit, would simultaneously heat
> the tank so fuel would be slightly pressurized and available to the valve,
> plus it would get the burner hot enough to vaporize the gas when the valve
> was opened. Simple?sort of.
>
> One problem was, it was difficult to pour the correct amount of fuel into
> the little recess. Too little fuel wouldn?t hack it, and too much would
> run out and all around the tank so it was necessary to wait for it to
> evaporate before lighting, else there would be a nice fireball.
>
> Some people carried a separate little squeeze bottle of fuel which was OK,
> but it was just one more thing to fuss with, and there was a risk having it
> leak all over the pack.
>
> A more typical plan was to warm the stove tank with the hands, thereby
> creating just enough pressure inside to blow a small amount of fuel out of
> the valve when it is cracked slightly open; fuel which then ran down the
> stem to fill the little recess. When the recess was full the valve was
> closed for lighting. In theory that works OK, except for two things: When
> the stove was shut off the evening before the tank was sealed. The next
> morning when the tank was very cold a small vacuum had probably been
> created inside, and my hands couldn?t provide enough heat to overcome it
> unless I first remembered to briefly open the valve to ?let the vacuum out?
> before closing it again for hand-heating. If I didn?t do all that in the
> correct order, and usually even if I did, the tank wouldn?t blow like it
> was supposed to, it sucked -- both literally and figuratively.
>
> In the cold conditions when I used the stove I didn?t want to fiddle around
> seemingly-forever trying to get the stove started, and my hands got cold
> faster than the stove got warm so when the valve was opened nothing
> happened.
>
> The next step was to find some greater source of body heat for the tank
> but, believe me boys and girls, on a frosty morning I didn?t really like
> having to spend several minutes crotch-cuddling a 1-pound chunk of ice-cold
> brass.
>
> One solution was to retrofit the stove with a little pump by changing to a
> tank cap that had a check valve to accept the pump. Problem solved ---
> maybe: Push on the pump, give it a few strokes to increase the tank
> pressure, crack open the valve, and then watch as fuel is quickly blown out
> to enclose the outside of the tank and soak my glove. It worked
> eventually, but I had to remember to remove the pump adapter cap after the
> stove was shut off, and replace it with the standard cap ? assuming I
> didn?t forget to bring it ? because the check valve was notorious for
> leaking fuel into my pack.
>
> None of that addresses the regular need to field-strip the stove to find
> plugged orifices or leaky o-rings. Oops, I didn?t really drop that tiny
> o-ring in the gravel, did I?
>
> The solution for all of those problems was to retire the SVEA-123 to the
> back of the gear locker and begin using solid fuel in bad weather in just
> the same way I used a little wood fire in good weather.
>
> All of this eventually lead to the current method of not jacking-around
> with a stove at all, but eating cold chow instead.
>
> Quite often the ?good old days?, weren?t.
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
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>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 11:36:56 -0800
> From: jack kendrick <jackkendrick84 at frontier.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] wheeled backpack
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> My son who has a history of knee, back and hip problems was excited yesterday because he found on the internet a wheeled backpack. It has a single wheel and is pulled with a harness. It's an unique idea but I'm wondering if it would be legal on the PCT and on other trails. jackkendrick84 at frontier.com
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 11:47:42 -0800
> From: "Robert E. Riess" <robert.riess at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] wheeled backpack
> To: "jack kendrick" <jackkendrick84 at frontier.com>,
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Wheeled conveyances are prohibited anywhere on the PCT, even for trail
> maintenance crews. Hike on! Good luck to the Class of 2013. BR
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 20:23:36 -0600
> From: mikey9ty9 <mikey9ty9 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Water filtration
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
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> Hello all I will attempting a thru hike this year and am struggling with what water filter to buy... it seems alot of informtion even from last year is already oudated due to new profucts being brought out all the time. ?Anyway with all that said any recommendations on a good filter to look at?
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 04:22:11 -0800 (PST)
> From: Bart Viner <brewsterkey at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT 2013 Kickoff
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I am thru hiking the PCT for 2013.? What is the date for the 2013 PCT Kickoff?? How do I reserve a camping site?
> ?
> hopalong
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 16:24:32 +0000
> From: Greeny <greenypct at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Visa Question
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Patrick,
>
> No need for an ESTA once you have the visa. The ESTA is a visa waiver and
> since you have a visa now there's no need to waive one..
>
> For full official reassurance check:
>
> http://www.usembassy.org.uk/visaservices/?p=555
>
> Cheers.
>
>> *From: *patrick griffith <patrickjgriffith at hotmail.com>
>> *Subject: **[pct-l] Visa Question*
>> *Date: *19 January 2013 14:43:51 GMT
>> *To: *<pct-l at backcountry.net>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I have a quick question for all you non US PCTers. I have my B1/2 visa,
>> and booked my flight, but am I still required to fill in the ESTA? I'm
>> guessing not but I don't want to arrive at the airport and be refused for
>> something so trivial. Does anyone know what to do here, or can anyone speak
>> from experience?
>> Cheers
>> Patrick
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 12:24:22 -0700
> From: Diana clare <1mileatatimeblog at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] pct section hiker question
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> Cheers
> I want to hike the PCT in the summer going northbound from the beginning of
> the trail (san diego area) starting in June and go for about 4 or 5 weeks.
> What challanges, issues, weather etc should I expect to encounter? I live
> in blistering hot az so heat is a non issue. Also how many other hikers
> would i see along the trail? any or none?
>
> thanks
> diana
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 12:33:59 -0800 (PST)
> From: Bart Viner <brewsterkey at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] 2013 PCT Kickoff
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> ?
>
> I am thru hiking the PCT for 2013. What is the date for the 2013 PCT Kickoff? How do I reserve a camping site?
> Hopalong
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 11:59:53 -0800
> From: Rees Hughes <Rees.Hughes at humboldt.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Water filtration
> To: mikey9ty9 <mikey9ty9 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net
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> There has been considerable discussion on the list serv about various
> options and approaches. After years of using a variety of pumps and
> filters, I have become a fan of the Steripen. It is lightweight, simple to
> use, with no impact on the taste of the water. The downside would be
> reliance on batteries (although there is a solar recharge option which does
> add some weight) and, like most methods, challenges when purifying murky,
> turbid water.
>
> Rees Hughes
>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 6:23 PM, mikey9ty9 <mikey9ty9 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all I will attempting a thru hike this year and am struggling with
>> what water filter to buy... it seems alot of informtion even from last year
>> is already oudated due to new profucts being brought out all the time.
>> Anyway with all that said any recommendations on a good filter to look at?
>>
>>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S?III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:00:08 -0800
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] wheeled backpack
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> On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Robert E. Riess <robert.riess at cox.net> wrote:
>> Wheeled conveyances are prohibited anywhere on the PCT, even for trail
>> maintenance crews. Hike on! Good luck to the Class of 2013. BR
>
> Before giving up on this idea, it would seem to me that the ADA and
> equal access for handicapped people would trump the no wheels on the
> pct, or in wilderness areas.
>
> I cannot imagine someone in a specially designed wheelchair being
> denied access to the PCT, and this sort of backpack may fall into that
> category.
>
> IANAL, but I would bet there is more to this than simply "no wheels on
> the pct" especially for a disabled hiker
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:13:25 -0800
> From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] wheeled backpack
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> On Jan 20, 2013 11:47 AM, "Robert E. Riess" <robert.riess at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> Wheeled conveyances are prohibited anywhere on the PCT, even for trail
>> maintenance crews. Hike on! Good luck to the Class of 2013. BR
>
> I hope that handicapped people aren't stopped by the idea that their
> wheeled conveyance isn't allowed and they are barred from sharing even a
> brief once in a lifetime experience. I would hope that there would be more
> support for this kind of thing, and no, it doesn't mean opening up trails
> where bicycles and motor vehicles are barred. Not everyone can own a horse,
> llama, or a couple of goats. If the fellow's feet walk the trail, he's a
> hiker, whether his load is on an animal or a one wheeled load carrier
> designed for a single track trail. One wheeled pack carriers don't eat,
> urinate or defecate, so I see this as a valid attempt to practice LNT for a
> handicapped person.
>
> There is no good reason I can think of to ban handicapped people from a
> reasonable accommodation to enjoy the wilderness just because they have
> found a way to carry their load that involves a wheel. Putting thirty
> pounds of kit on a ten pound frame with a wheel on it does not do the
> damage that a bicycle and rider and their kit would, so don't even try i to
> make that comparison unless you want to advertise your extremism and belief
> in exclusivity. Some might anyway, and while I respect your beliefs, it
> didn't mean that anyone else had to believe as you, or I, do, or practice
> as you might peach.
>
> It belongs as much to you and me as it does to my handicapped wife with
> arthritic knees or a young man with issues that prevent him from carrying
> his load on his shoulders. If his feet and/or shoes push directly against
> the ground to move it all, then he's a hiker in my mind, and I hope he has
> the wonderful kind of experience that many before have had. He deserves it
> as much as anyone else does.
>
> Dan Jacobs
> Washougal
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:35:01 -0800
> From: Timothy Nye <timpnye at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] wheeled backpack
> To: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <7B586B1E-E408-45B8-A3EA-246D0014A82A at gmail.com>
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> This, it would seem to me, would be akin to service dogs being allowed in national parks where dogs are otherwise banned. I imagine medical certification as to the necessity of this type of alternative conveyance would be a requirement. However, the terrain and resulting ergonomic forces and torsion on the spine may actually render this approach impractical or even harmful. Hence the importance of medical advice, probably from an orthopedist, as to it's advisability.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 20, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 20, 2013 11:47 AM, "Robert E. Riess" <robert.riess at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wheeled conveyances are prohibited anywhere on the PCT, even for trail
>>> maintenance crews. Hike on! Good luck to the Class of 2013. BR
>>
>> I hope that handicapped people aren't stopped by the idea that their
>> wheeled conveyance isn't allowed and they are barred from sharing even a
>> brief once in a lifetime experience. I would hope that there would be more
>> support for this kind of thing, and no, it doesn't mean opening up trails
>> where bicycles and motor vehicles are barred. Not everyone can own a horse,
>> llama, or a couple of goats. If the fellow's feet walk the trail, he's a
>> hiker, whether his load is on an animal or a one wheeled load carrier
>> designed for a single track trail. One wheeled pack carriers don't eat,
>> urinate or defecate, so I see this as a valid attempt to practice LNT for a
>> handicapped person.
>>
>> There is no good reason I can think of to ban handicapped people from a
>> reasonable accommodation to enjoy the wilderness just because they have
>> found a way to carry their load that involves a wheel. Putting thirty
>> pounds of kit on a ten pound frame with a wheel on it does not do the
>> damage that a bicycle and rider and their kit would, so don't even try i to
>> make that comparison unless you want to advertise your extremism and belief
>> in exclusivity. Some might anyway, and while I respect your beliefs, it
>> didn't mean that anyone else had to believe as you, or I, do, or practice
>> as you might peach.
>>
>> It belongs as much to you and me as it does to my handicapped wife with
>> arthritic knees or a young man with issues that prevent him from carrying
>> his load on his shoulders. If his feet and/or shoes push directly against
>> the ground to move it all, then he's a hiker in my mind, and I hope he has
>> the wonderful kind of experience that many before have had. He deserves it
>> as much as anyone else does.
>>
>> Dan Jacobs
>> Washougal
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:06:46 -0800
> From: "Dr. Ritchey A. Ruff" <ruffwork at ruffwork.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] PCTHYOH 1.5 iOS version updated for the 2013 hiking
> season - wahoo!
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> This is the Apple iOS version. The Android version will be next (before KO for sure!).
>
> I've just submitted the updated PCTHYOH app to the Apple iTunes store. It normally takes a week or so before they approve and post it. If you have it already you will get a notice from the app store when it's available for download.
>
> New:
> - Better cache management
> - cache/delete favorites and cache everything
> - supports iPad
> - I'm taking my iPad mini 4G hiking this next season
> - I saw several hikers with iPads last year
> - Current weather
> - temp and conditions and icon in list view
> - details for current location in a web page
> - I Am Here...
> - send a Google map link of your location and timestamp
> - attach a photo
> - email, text (no photo)
> - in iOS 6 you also can post to Facebook, Twitter, Sina Weibo
> - HalfMile's new water report
> - Weather reports
> - current conditions and textual 5 day forecast at loads of locations along the trail
> - Added more to the GPS page
> - includes dawn, sunrise, sunset, dusk times for your current location
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Ruffwork
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:07:23 -0800 (PST)
> From: Chris Anderson <srhspaded at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] wheeled backpack
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> handicap accessibility, whether it is a wheelchair, or i imagine, a wheeled carrying device is allowed (i believe on the pct)...don't take my word for it. ?I would suggest you contact the pcta as they would probably be able to direct you to the most useful information. ?I recently met a group of 3 young men pulling their father up the switchbacks of baden powell...it looked like a really hard task to say the least, and they are lucky there weren't waterbars on that section. ?I would also add that pulling a wheeled device behind you would probably be harder than hiking it with a backpack. ?
> ?
> ____________________________________________________________________________________________
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>
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> ________________________________
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 12:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] wheeled backpack
>
> On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Robert E. Riess <robert.riess at cox.net> wrote:
>> Wheeled conveyances are prohibited anywhere on the PCT, even for trail
>> maintenance crews.? Hike on!? Good luck to the Class of 2013.? BR
>
> Before giving up on this idea, it would seem to me that the ADA and
> equal access for handicapped people would trump the no wheels on the
> pct, or in wilderness areas.
>
> I cannot imagine someone in a specially designed wheelchair being
> denied access to the PCT, and this sort of backpack may fall into that
> category.
>
> IANAL, but I would bet there is more to this than simply "no wheels on
> the pct" especially for a disabled hiker
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:11:46 -0800 (PST)
> From: Randy Godfrey <randy3833 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT 2013 Kickoff
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Bart,
>
> You can find Kick-Off info on this site and probably others, as I'm still a newbie here.
>
> http://pct77.org/adz/
>
> Randy
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Bart Viner <brewsterkey at yahoo.com>
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 4:22 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT 2013 Kickoff
>
> I am thru hiking the PCT for 2013.? What is the date for the 2013 PCT Kickoff?? How do I reserve a camping site?
> ?
> hopalong
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:36:34 -0800 (PST)
> From: Dan Engleman <danengleman at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] pct section hiker question
> To: Diana clare <1mileatatimeblog at gmail.com>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
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> I solo hiked the PCT in 2011. I had a relatively late start (May 26th). I didn't see many people hiking on the trail, but in all honesty I really didn't feel alone. I found the trail logs to be very helpful (there is one at the southern terminus and others pop up here and there); you will get a sense of who is a few hours, days, or weeks ahead of you. The trail logs motivated me to keep movin on, they gave me a sense of belonging, and there was a sense of safety in knowing that others would be able to narrow down my location if need be. I don't know what direction you will be coming from, but I stopped and read the trail log at the Paradise Cafe (Hwy 74) before heading to the southern terminus; it is a good place to meet other PCT hikers.
> I think it is a bit hard to predict, but I suspect that you will run into the most hikers in your third and forth week. Most of my "hiker contact" happened during my resupply stops (at the laundramat, restaurants, post office). I met my first thru hikers at the Big Bear Hostel and many more at the Cajon Pass McDonalds. I ran into quite a few day hikers in the the Big Bear area. Agua Dulce was "backpackers central" and one of my favorite resting places. I don't know your hiking style, but I think it is safe to say that if you respect and listen to your body you will be hikng distances that will blow your mind, by the end of the month ....
> You live in the desert, so you already know: camel up at water sources, carry more than enough water to get from a certain water source to certain water source, don't expect water caches to be fully stocked, bless the "angels" when they are; change your socks often, clean your feet and your socks every chance you get, elevate your feet (while sleeping and when taking breaks). I made a point not to cook in southern California, out of respect for the fact that it is often times a tinder box. I got used to going "no cook" and ended up dumping my stove. Not sure what you have decided about water treatment, Aqua Mira worked well for me. Be prepared to pick hundreds of pickers and seeds out of your tennis shoes (lightweight gaters help a bit).?
> "Weather" can occur from time to time. I hit major wind/rain storms in the Laguna Mountains, at Scissors Crossing, and also Cajon Pass. I didn't hit any other rain till the Sierra thunderstorms. You will experience a fair amount of wind. For whatever reason, I found hiking in the gusty blustering wind to be a bizarre and somewhat comical experience; its like riding a roller coaster hour after hour, day after day. In southern California, you can either curse the wind or thank it for the memories. I heard that in the 1970s the wind completely stopped and every single backpacker tipped over ...
> I hit a storm after the infamous "3rd Gate" water cache and it was unbelievable how nasty one side of the moutain could be and then you cross over to the other side and it was completely calm. Do beware of space ship looking clouds. I learned (the hard way) that "lenticular" clouds make great photos, but they pack a whallup ...??
> I ended up covering my body completely, even my hands (I don't like using sunscreen or bug dope). I carried a mylar umbrella for the first couple hundred miles (such a pain in the ass when it was windy, or while hiking through chaperal). Speaking of chaperal, there are a few bastard bushes that will try to steal your gear, so pay attention to what you have hanging outside of your pack. I ended up in a whopper of a storm in the Laguna Mountains and ended up losing one of my hiking poles, my extra pair of hiking socks, and my hat. Soooo glad I had a spare bandana to cover my balding head going through Scissors Crossing. I was a novice backpacker and it had never occured to me that one could lose major pieces of gear.
> Never in a million years did I think I would ever see my gear again, but my hat and hiking pole were returned to me 100s of miles down the trail.? Throughout the summer, I found lots of gear and it sort of became a game for me, trying to find the owner and looking forward to seeing their face when I return their gear .....
> I trust that you will have a blast ... thanks for asking about southern Cal ... sort of sent me down memory lane ...
> Dan (711)
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Diana clare <1mileatatimeblog at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 11:24 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] pct section hiker question
>
> Cheers
> I want to hike the PCT in the summer going northbound from the beginning of
> the trail (san diego area) starting in June and go for about 4 or 5 weeks.
> What challanges, issues, weather etc should I expect to encounter? I live
> in blistering hot az so heat is a non issue. Also how many other hikers
> would i see along the trail? any or none?
>
> thanks
> diana
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> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 15:14:07 -0700
> From: Miguel Aguilar <pctvirgo at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT 2012 Class Video
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Attention PCT Class of 2012!
>
> Hey guys. It's that time! Every year, for the last 9 years, a class video
> has been assembled from photos and videos submitted by those who hiked the
> PCT. It is then screened at kick-off the following year, where DVD's are
> also handed out. I am volunteering to produce the video this year and I
> need your photos and videos. Below is a link which lists out what type of
> photos and video are needed, how to organize them, where and how to send
> them, and the deadline for submission. Please SHARE this posting and link
> with other 2012 PCT hikers that may not be in this group.
>
> http://www.pcttrailangels.com/trailangels/2012_PCT_Class_Video.html
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sincerely,
> VirGo
>
> P.S. I plan on extending the deadline and the new deadline will become
> available next week. So there's still time!
>
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:30:29 +0100
> From: Angela M <angelamitry at googlemail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Mt. Whitney permit
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Dear all,
>
> I am planning on hiking the PCT this year. While trying to obtain a permit
> for Mt. Whitney, there were some fraction on how I could actually get one.
> Is there really a lottery for getting a permit? Until now, I cannot tell
> exactly when I will arrive there. I want to spend the night on the top
> (this is possible, right?) but am somehow frustrated by this lottery thing.
> Can anybody help me?
>
> I appreciate any advice!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Angela
>
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:34:46 -0800
> From: Joseph Anderson <joedaddy44 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mt. Whitney permit
> To: Angela M <angelamitry at googlemail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> No need for a Whitney permit if you have a thru hiking permit.
>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:58:22 -0800
> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mt. Whitney permit
> To: "'Joseph Anderson'" <joedaddy44 at gmail.com>, "'Angela M'"
> <angelamitry at googlemail.com>
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> There is no need for any additional permit IF:
>
> 1- you have a PCTA Thru-hiker Permit AND
> 2 - the area covered by that permit contains Mt Whitney AND
> 3 - you approach Mt Whitney from the west (via the JMT) AND
> 4 - you do not cross Trailcrest and descend the east side to Whitney Portal
>
> Note that you must meet all 4 conditions.
>
> Most thru-hikers have no problem; the camp at Guitar Lake, slackpack up to
> Whitney and back, then continue north on the PCT. They do not resupply at
> Whitney Portal because no one wants to carry a full pack up that steep
> eastern slope. Note that you will also not cross Trailcrest when approaching
> Mt Whitney from the west on the JMT. Trailcrest lies to the right at the
> JMT/Mt Whitney trail junction; Mt Whitney lies to the left.
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:13:43 -0800 (PST)
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] wheeled backpack
> To: jack kendrick <jackkendrick84 at frontier.com>,
> "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Wheels are not allowed on the PCT.? It is for foot and hoof travel. There are lots of trails where?wheels are allowed, including parts of?the Colorado Trail and the Continental Divide Trail. The PCT is special. Mountain Bikes aren't allowed either.
> ?
> Here's another solution:?I think that it would be a lot harder for?your son?to pull that thing on the trail than it would be for him to just hike - without carrying or pulling any kind of "backpack".? So, I suggest using?a pack animal to carry the load - a mule, a llama, a donkey. I met one woman north of Donahue Pass who carried her llama in the back of her Minivan. She actually had two in there.?I have a picture of that. If you want to see it let me know and I will send it to you. I also have a picture of a hiker who used a mule on the PCT to carry his supplies. An advantage of using a llama is that you might not need a trailer.
> ?
> MendoRider-Hiker
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: jack kendrick <jackkendrick84 at frontier.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 11:36 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] wheeled backpack
>
> My son who has a history of knee, back and hip problems was excited yesterday because he found on the internet a wheeled backpack. It has a single wheel and is pulled with a harness. It's an unique idea but I'm wondering if it would be legal on the PCT and on other trails. jackkendrick84 at frontier.com
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> Message: 22
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:20:42 -0800
> From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] wheeled backpack
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> On Jan 20, 2013 8:13 PM, "Edward Anderson" <mendoridered at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Wheels are not allowed on the PCT.
>
> I would like to see how this statement stands up to the Americans with
> Disability Act. Purely at face value, it seems to violate the ADA.
>
> Not everyone has the time, funds, inclination, or skills to care for a pack
> animal.
>
> Dan Jacobs
> Washougal
>
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> Message: 23
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:52:43 -0800
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] SVEA-123 Adventures
> To: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Cc: PCT listserve <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> There's some memories. I've still got my original Primus Stove from about
> 1959 or so, brass tank and little tin box it all sat in as a pot stand. If
> you couldn't get your freezing hands to warm it up enough to force some gas
> out into the little cup at the top, we'd all stand around it and light a
> match and hold that under the gas tank to build up the pressure. Then if
> it still didn't send up any gas you realized the nozzle was jammed and you
> had a very fine stiff wire attached to a little piece of sheet metal which
> could be used to clean out the nozzle.
>
> So then you finally got some gas in the cup and lit it, and it sputtered
> and started to heat and pressurize the tank. As it did so at first it
> would send out a jet of pure, unvaporized white gas which would always
> splatter a bit, not good for white gas. Then quickly enough that
> sputtering liquid would heat the nozzle enough to vaporize the following
> gas, and it would set up its miniature steam engine, staccato clamor, a
> signature sound in the wilderness in those days, and start to heat your
> food.
>
> I just Googled vintage Primus and discovered that it was based on the hand
> held blowtorches of the 1890s. Well, it sure sounded like one, and you
> could probably weld steal with one. It didn't shut down when you had it on
> its side. If you took off the little brass plate on the top it would have
> had a straight jet of flame.
>
> Those were the days. I guess. I can still hear that stutter in the woods.
>
> Shroomer
>
> On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:30 AM, CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>wrote:
>
>> Good morning,
>>
>> Regular users of the SVEA-123 are correct when they responded that under
>> average conditions the stove really isn?t all that difficult to start,
>> however my situation was a bit different: I didn?t use it under average
>> conditions. In the late-50?s and through the 60?s I mostly used a tiny
>> campfire to heat food in a modified, traditional Sierra Cup ? by modified I
>> mean the wire handle had been re-bent to allow the end of a stick to be
>> inserted for security over a fire. The fire was seldom fed with sticks
>> larger than a pencil. That worked well except that during three of the
>> four seasons here in the Pacific NW -- autumn rain, winter snow, and spring
>> rain -- the little sticks are wet.
>>
>> That?s when I got the SVEA-123. When conditions were right it started OK,
>> but there was none of this modern-day turn-the-knob and touch-a-match
>> business. It was first necessary to put some fuel in the little recessed
>> channel at the top of the tank which, when lit, would simultaneously heat
>> the tank so fuel would be slightly pressurized and available to the valve,
>> plus it would get the burner hot enough to vaporize the gas when the valve
>> was opened. Simple?sort of.
>>
>> One problem was, it was difficult to pour the correct amount of fuel into
>> the little recess. Too little fuel wouldn?t hack it, and too much would
>> run out and all around the tank so it was necessary to wait for it to
>> evaporate before lighting, else there would be a nice fireball.
>>
>> Some people carried a separate little squeeze bottle of fuel which was OK,
>> but it was just one more thing to fuss with, and there was a risk having it
>> leak all over the pack.
>>
>> A more typical plan was to warm the stove tank with the hands, thereby
>> creating just enough pressure inside to blow a small amount of fuel out of
>> the valve when it is cracked slightly open; fuel which then ran down the
>> stem to fill the little recess. When the recess was full the valve was
>> closed for lighting. In theory that works OK, except for two things: When
>> the stove was shut off the evening before the tank was sealed. The next
>> morning when the tank was very cold a small vacuum had probably been
>> created inside, and my hands couldn?t provide enough heat to overcome it
>> unless I first remembered to briefly open the valve to ?let the vacuum out?
>> before closing it again for hand-heating. If I didn?t do all that in the
>> correct order, and usually even if I did, the tank wouldn?t blow like it
>> was supposed to, it sucked -- both literally and figuratively.
>>
>> In the cold conditions when I used the stove I didn?t want to fiddle around
>> seemingly-forever trying to get the stove started, and my hands got cold
>> faster than the stove got warm so when the valve was opened nothing
>> happened.
>>
>> The next step was to find some greater source of body heat for the tank
>> but, believe me boys and girls, on a frosty morning I didn?t really like
>> having to spend several minutes crotch-cuddling a 1-pound chunk of ice-cold
>> brass.
>>
>> One solution was to retrofit the stove with a little pump by changing to a
>> tank cap that had a check valve to accept the pump. Problem solved ---
>> maybe: Push on the pump, give it a few strokes to increase the tank
>> pressure, crack open the valve, and then watch as fuel is quickly blown out
>> to enclose the outside of the tank and soak my glove. It worked
>> eventually, but I had to remember to remove the pump adapter cap after the
>> stove was shut off, and replace it with the standard cap ? assuming I
>> didn?t forget to bring it ? because the check valve was notorious for
>> leaking fuel into my pack.
>>
>> None of that addresses the regular need to field-strip the stove to find
>> plugged orifices or leaky o-rings. Oops, I didn?t really drop that tiny
>> o-ring in the gravel, did I?
>>
>> The solution for all of those problems was to retire the SVEA-123 to the
>> back of the gear locker and begin using solid fuel in bad weather in just
>> the same way I used a little wood fire in good weather.
>>
>> All of this eventually lead to the current method of not jacking-around
>> with a stove at all, but eating cold chow instead.
>>
>> Quite often the ?good old days?, weren?t.
>>
>> Steel-Eye
>>
>> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>>
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
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> Message: 24
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:10:05 -0800
> From: Cat Nelson <sagegirl51 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Future Hostel in Washington for the PCT.
> To: PCT-L <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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> Well, I won't be able to attempt a thru hike of the PTC in 2013. But I will
> be able to have three day weekends ever weekend and at least two separated
> weeks off, maybe a third in September. Since my time off will be so chopped
> up, I'm thinking I could trail angel again this year, at a strategic
> location, and maybe do a section or 2. Here's my question. Where do thru
> hikers, while in Washington, need help, a break, a hostel, water or
> whatever the most? I realize this is a broad question but if you had a wish
> as a thru hiker what would it be?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:21:41 -0800
> From: "Ned Tibbits" <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> Subject: [pct-l] "Snow Advice" on Facebook
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc: johnmuirtrail at yahoogroups.com
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> Mountain Education is posting "Snow Advice" in Question/Answer form on their Facebook page to help PCT thru hikers prepare for dealing with snow on their hike.
> They will, also, be giving this advice and more to the PCTA to be used on their website, as well.
> If you?re not interested in taking one of their skills training courses, they will be down at the Kickoff teaching the "Mountain Safety and Snow Travel" seminar, too!
> To better prepare yourselves for walking and camping in snow on your thru hike, head out this winter and spend a little time in it! Granted, the snow will be soft powder right now, vastly different from the hard, consolidated snow of sierra spring, but your experience getting around in it, getting to water safely, camping, pitching, staying warm and dry will all help you chose what to bring later, clothing, food, gear, and so forth.
>
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> Mountain Education
> www.mountaineducation.org
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 22:57:28 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Magnanti <pmags at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] The Trail Show #8 - The Long Trail
> To: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Happy New Year! Today we bring you Episode #8 - Our first show of 2013.?
>
>
> On this month's episode we discuss Mags' recent trip to Chaco Canyon, D-low's monastery beer problems continue,?
> P.O.D. & Disco's recent trip to Hawai'i Volcanoes National Park, Scott "Squatch" Herriott's "Tales from the Trail" live via?
> satellite link from SoCal, ?the Etiquette of Hitchhiking and Mags' review of the movie "North Pole Conspiracy."?
>
> And as always ... Beer O' Da Month, Ask-A-Hiker with D-low, Noodlehead's Top 10, Trail O' Da Month (Long Trail),?
> Ask-A-SheHiker with P.O.D., Trail News with Mags & a new segment called Disco's Trail Tip of the Month.?
>
> Thanks again for tuning in and for making the podcast a great success in 2012!!?
>
> Today's show is sponsored by all of you that have donated to The Trail Show thus far!
>
> Less Gear, More Beer!
>
> Listen to it on iTunes?or our website.
>
> www.thetrailshow.com
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> ?
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> caught, a portion of the rainbow I have clutched
> --Thoreau
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> Message: 27
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 23:09:41 -0800
> From: "Ned Tibbits" <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] SVEA-123 Adventures
> To: "Scott Williams" <baidarker at gmail.com>, "CHUCK CHELIN"
> <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Cc: PCT listserve <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> All in all, there's nothing like a hot meal on a cold day in the woods!
>
> My Svea lasted forever and still runs great, though we don't do any hiking
> with it anymore, just teaching our students what stoves did "in the old
> days!"
>
> Part of the morning's joys were to see if you could start the stove. I
> didn't try any of the "crotch-cuddling" that Chuck spoke of, but rather used
> a plastic eye dropper to place fuel in the basin on top of the tank, light
> it with a BIC lighter, and pray that it was enough to get the "little engine
> that could" going!
>
> Loved that noise, too, Scott! There were times when you couldn't hear your
> friend talking to you from the next tent over because of the stove roar.
> Outstanding fun.
>
> Only had one disaster with the little stove and found out that you can't
> cook for too many guests one after the other on the same running stove. The
> problem with the Svea was that the burner was attached to the tank. The
> hotter and longer the burner ran, the hotter the tank got...to the point of
> explosion!
>
> I wasn't in the tent at the time (had to step out for a minute), but those
> running the stove said that a little flame appeared coming out of the
> pressure-relief valve in the gas cap while the stove was running. They
> yelled out to me the situation and I yelled back (it was snowing at the
> time) to throw the stove out of the tent immediately!
>
> Unfortunately, they shut the stove off, then threw it out the door into the
> snow whereupon the pressure grew even more and the fireball outside the tent
> must have been 8 feet in diameter!
>
> Needless to say, we couldn't use the stove until we got to the next town and
> found a way (in southern New Mexico) to replace the cap!
>
>
>
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> Mountain Education
> www.mountaineducation.org
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Williams
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 8:52 PM
> To: CHUCK CHELIN
> Cc: PCT listserve
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] SVEA-123 Adventures
>
> There's some memories. I've still got my original Primus Stove from about
> 1959 or so, brass tank and little tin box it all sat in as a pot stand. If
> you couldn't get your freezing hands to warm it up enough to force some gas
> out into the little cup at the top, we'd all stand around it and light a
> match and hold that under the gas tank to build up the pressure. Then if
> it still didn't send up any gas you realized the nozzle was jammed and you
> had a very fine stiff wire attached to a little piece of sheet metal which
> could be used to clean out the nozzle.
>
> So then you finally got some gas in the cup and lit it, and it sputtered
> and started to heat and pressurize the tank. As it did so at first it
> would send out a jet of pure, unvaporized white gas which would always
> splatter a bit, not good for white gas. Then quickly enough that
> sputtering liquid would heat the nozzle enough to vaporize the following
> gas, and it would set up its miniature steam engine, staccato clamor, a
> signature sound in the wilderness in those days, and start to heat your
> food.
>
> I just Googled vintage Primus and discovered that it was based on the hand
> held blowtorches of the 1890s. Well, it sure sounded like one, and you
> could probably weld steal with one. It didn't shut down when you had it on
> its side. If you took off the little brass plate on the top it would have
> had a straight jet of flame.
>
> Those were the days. I guess. I can still hear that stutter in the woods.
>
> Shroomer
>
> On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:30 AM, CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>wrote:
>
>> Good morning,
>>
>> Regular users of the SVEA-123 are correct when they responded that under
>> average conditions the stove really isn?t all that difficult to start,
>> however my situation was a bit different: I didn?t use it under average
>> conditions. In the late-50?s and through the 60?s I mostly used a tiny
>> campfire to heat food in a modified, traditional Sierra Cup ? by modified
>> I
>> mean the wire handle had been re-bent to allow the end of a stick to be
>> inserted for security over a fire. The fire was seldom fed with sticks
>> larger than a pencil. That worked well except that during three of the
>> four seasons here in the Pacific NW -- autumn rain, winter snow, and
>> spring
>> rain -- the little sticks are wet.
>>
>> That?s when I got the SVEA-123. When conditions were right it started OK,
>> but there was none of this modern-day turn-the-knob and touch-a-match
>> business. It was first necessary to put some fuel in the little recessed
>> channel at the top of the tank which, when lit, would simultaneously heat
>> the tank so fuel would be slightly pressurized and available to the valve,
>> plus it would get the burner hot enough to vaporize the gas when the valve
>> was opened. Simple?sort of.
>>
>> One problem was, it was difficult to pour the correct amount of fuel into
>> the little recess. Too little fuel wouldn?t hack it, and too much would
>> run out and all around the tank so it was necessary to wait for it to
>> evaporate before lighting, else there would be a nice fireball.
>>
>> Some people carried a separate little squeeze bottle of fuel which was OK,
>> but it was just one more thing to fuss with, and there was a risk having
>> it
>> leak all over the pack.
>>
>> A more typical plan was to warm the stove tank with the hands, thereby
>> creating just enough pressure inside to blow a small amount of fuel out of
>> the valve when it is cracked slightly open; fuel which then ran down the
>> stem to fill the little recess. When the recess was full the valve was
>> closed for lighting. In theory that works OK, except for two things:
>> When
>> the stove was shut off the evening before the tank was sealed. The next
>> morning when the tank was very cold a small vacuum had probably been
>> created inside, and my hands couldn?t provide enough heat to overcome it
>> unless I first remembered to briefly open the valve to ?let the vacuum
>> out?
>> before closing it again for hand-heating. If I didn?t do all that in the
>> correct order, and usually even if I did, the tank wouldn?t blow like it
>> was supposed to, it sucked -- both literally and figuratively.
>>
>> In the cold conditions when I used the stove I didn?t want to fiddle
>> around
>> seemingly-forever trying to get the stove started, and my hands got cold
>> faster than the stove got warm so when the valve was opened nothing
>> happened.
>>
>> The next step was to find some greater source of body heat for the tank
>> but, believe me boys and girls, on a frosty morning I didn?t really like
>> having to spend several minutes crotch-cuddling a 1-pound chunk of
>> ice-cold
>> brass.
>>
>> One solution was to retrofit the stove with a little pump by changing to a
>> tank cap that had a check valve to accept the pump. Problem solved ---
>> maybe: Push on the pump, give it a few strokes to increase the tank
>> pressure, crack open the valve, and then watch as fuel is quickly blown
>> out
>> to enclose the outside of the tank and soak my glove. It worked
>> eventually, but I had to remember to remove the pump adapter cap after the
>> stove was shut off, and replace it with the standard cap ? assuming I
>> didn?t forget to bring it ? because the check valve was notorious for
>> leaking fuel into my pack.
>>
>> None of that addresses the regular need to field-strip the stove to find
>> plugged orifices or leaky o-rings. Oops, I didn?t really drop that tiny
>> o-ring in the gravel, did I?
>>
>> The solution for all of those problems was to retire the SVEA-123 to the
>> back of the gear locker and begin using solid fuel in bad weather in just
>> the same way I used a little wood fire in good weather.
>>
>> All of this eventually lead to the current method of not jacking-around
>> with a stove at all, but eating cold chow instead.
>>
>> Quite often the ?good old days?, weren?t.
>>
>> Steel-Eye
>>
>> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>>
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
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> Message: 28
> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 23:38:13 -0800
> From: Timothy Boyle <stumblingwolf at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Stoves
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I ve used a msr dragonfly for 15 yrs until it was stolen wirh the rest of
> my gear in Port Angeles after hiking the PCT in 12- Im dedicated to the
> integrity of a thru and plan to start over this spring. Using a canister
> stove was ideal if the fuel was handy, but isobutane or similar fuels were
> hard to find, in Most reup towns, hiker boxes always seemed to have half
> empty canisters with potential. It gets to be a mass thing when you carry 5
> cans of fumes, but its never impossible to score some fuel...Ive always
> been anti-alcohol stoves because I already had my dragonfly- I choose to
> reevaluate my dedication and Im probably going with an alcohol stove this
> year. Fuel is available, its not difficult to send in resupply boxes, and
> in a pinch the world provides...
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 29
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:11:57 +0100
> From: patrick griffith <patrickjgriffith at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT 2013 Kickoff information
> To: <randy3833 at yahoo.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> Hi All,
> Although there are the links to the Kick-Off site, unless I'm missing something there has not been a update for a long time. Does anyone know if there is more current information out there regarding KO?
> Patrick
>
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:11:46 -0800
>> From: randy3833 at yahoo.com
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT 2013 Kickoff
>>
>> Bart,
>>
>> You can find Kick-Off info on this site and probably others, as I'm still a newbie here.
>>
>> http://pct77.org/adz/
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Bart Viner <brewsterkey at yahoo.com>
>> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 4:22 AM
>> Subject: [pct-l] PCT 2013 Kickoff
>>
>> I am thru hiking the PCT for 2013. What is the date for the 2013 PCT Kickoff? How do I reserve a camping site?
>>
>> hopalong
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> Message: 30
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:21:26 -0800
> From: Dan Jacobs <youroldpaldan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT 2013 Kickoff information
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>> From the bottom of the ADZ page:
> "Greg "Strider" Hummel strider at pct77.org (ADZPCTKO wagonmaster and top banana)"
>
> Dan Jacobs
> Washougal
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:11 AM, patrick griffith
> <patrickjgriffith at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>> Although there are the links to the Kick-Off site, unless I'm missing something there has not been a update for a long time. Does anyone know if there is more current information out there regarding KO?
>> Patrick
>>
>>> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:11:46 -0800
>>> From: randy3833 at yahoo.com
>>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT 2013 Kickoff
>>>
>>> Bart,
>>>
>>> You can find Kick-Off info on this site and probably others, as I'm still a newbie here.
>>>
>>> http://pct77.org/adz/
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Bart Viner <brewsterkey at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 4:22 AM
>>> Subject: [pct-l] PCT 2013 Kickoff
>>>
>>> I am thru hiking the PCT for 2013. What is the date for the 2013 PCT Kickoff? How do I reserve a camping site?
>>>
>>> hopalong
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> Message: 31
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:23:30 -0800
> From: Stephen Clark <rowriver at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT 2013 Kickoff information
> To: patrick griffith <patrickjgriffith at hotmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Information is updated when the webmaster has something new to add. At this
> time of year there won't be much until the end of February. K.O.
> registration typically opens in March. The event has grown so large that it
> fills up in just a few days. Keep checking back every now and then to be
> sure you catch updates.
> Snake Charmer
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:11 AM, patrick griffith <
> patrickjgriffith at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi All,
>> Although there are the links to the Kick-Off site, unless I'm missing
>> something there has not been a update for a long time. Does anyone know if
>> there is more current information out there regarding KO?
>> Patrick
>>
>>> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:11:46 -0800
>>> From: randy3833 at yahoo.com
>>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT 2013 Kickoff
>>>
>>> Bart,
>>>
>>> You can find Kick-Off info on this site and probably others, as I'm
>> still a newbie here.
>>>
>>> http://pct77.org/adz/
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Bart Viner <brewsterkey at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 4:22 AM
>>> Subject: [pct-l] PCT 2013 Kickoff
>>>
>>> I am thru hiking the PCT for 2013. What is the date for the 2013 PCT
>> Kickoff? How do I reserve a camping site?
>>>
>>> hopalong
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> Message: 32
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 20:18:06 +0900
> From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stoves
> To: Timothy Boyle <stumblingwolf at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Recently, there are very efficient canister stoves. If you add only
> sufficient windscreen to your stove, much fuel can be saved:
>
> My classic stove system is indicated bottom of this page:
> https://sites.google.com/site/completewalker/equipments/dining/stove-system
> ( sorry mainly in Japanese )
>
> Primus P-153 Ultra Burner
> Primus Windscreen
> 250g Gas Canister
> MSR Cannister Stand
>
> Based on my simple experiment, around 20% fuel can be saved. I can
> cook for 1 week or more with this system.
>
> My new cooking system is Primus Eta PackLite: very efficient stove.
> It is sufficient for 20 or more days cooking. ( I usually boil 2-3
> litter in a day. Americans do not cook as Japanese, so you can cook
> around 1 month with 1 canister.
>
> There are also other famous systems: Jetboil and MSR Reactor system.
> If you select one of these efficient stove systems, you need a new
> canister once in a month.
>
>
>
> 2013/1/21 Timothy Boyle <stumblingwolf at gmail.com>:
>> I ve used a msr dragonfly for 15 yrs until it was stolen wirh the rest of
>> my gear in Port Angeles after hiking the PCT in 12- Im dedicated to the
>> integrity of a thru and plan to start over this spring. Using a canister
>> stove was ideal if the fuel was handy, but isobutane or similar fuels were
>> hard to find, in Most reup towns, hiker boxes always seemed to have half
>> empty canisters with potential. It gets to be a mass thing when you carry 5
>> cans of fumes, but its never impossible to score some fuel...Ive always
>> been anti-alcohol stoves because I already had my dragonfly- I choose to
>> reevaluate my dedication and Im probably going with an alcohol stove this
>> year. Fuel is available, its not difficult to send in resupply boxes, and
>> in a pinch the world provides...
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> Message: 33
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 04:46:25 -0800
> From: Sir Mixalot <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] wheeled backpack
> To: jack kendrick <jackkendrick84 at frontier.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> I believe the restriction originates with the wilderness areas that the PCT
> goes through. I don't believe the ADA would apply since the PCT is not
> improved. It's a very primitive trail I recall that having something to
> do with why some privies on the Appalachian Trail had to have wheel chair
> ramps installed. Nevermind that the trail leading to and from that
> location would be inhospitable to wheelchairs.
>
> Since I mentioned the Appalachian Trail, I have heard of people
> successfully thru hiking it with this wheeled pack. One of them posted
> recently about her thru hike on www.whiteblaze.net.
>
> Hopefully your son is not considering thru hiking the PCT with this if he
> can't carry that pack. With the hard spring snow and the deep and fast
> water crossings, I think this device would be extremely dangerous on many
> parts of the PCT during thru hiking season.
>
> On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 11:36 AM, jack kendrick <jackkendrick84 at frontier.com
>> wrote:
>
>> My son who has a history of knee, back and hip problems was excited
>> yesterday because he found on the internet a wheeled backpack. It has a
>> single wheel and is pulled with a harness. It's an unique idea but I'm
>> wondering if it would be legal on the PCT and on other trails.
>> jackkendrick84 at frontier.com
>>
>
>
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> Message: 34
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 04:51:51 -0800
> From: Sir Mixalot <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Water filtration
> To: mikey9ty9 <mikey9ty9 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net
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> Sawyer Squeeze. It's very light, quick and convenient. The older versions
> had bladders that were prone to failure if they were squeezed, but fared
> better if rolled. Sawyer has updated this filter this year with sturdier
> bladders. Evernew bladders also work well, but it's almost impossible to
> find.a vendor that has any in stock. Regular soda bottles also work.
> Platypus bladders won't work. It costs about $40.
>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 6:23 PM, mikey9ty9 <mikey9ty9 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all I will attempting a thru hike this year and am struggling with
>> what water filter to buy... it seems alot of informtion even from last year
>> is already oudated due to new profucts being brought out all the time.
>> Anyway with all that said any recommendations on a good filter to look at?
>>
>>
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> Message: 35
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 08:43:21 -0500
> From: Rob Flynn <rob.flynn at live.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Water filtration
> To: Sir Mixalot <atetuna at gmail.com>, mikey9ty9 <mikey9ty9 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Pct-L at backcountry.net" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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> Aqua Mira, and a bandana to pre-filter nasties from lakes. Only treated about 40% of the water on the PCT, never a problem. I know some people who never treat at all, with no problems, but that is a personal choice obviously.
>
> InsGadget
> ________________________________
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> Sent: ?1/?21/?2013 7:51 AM
> To: mikey9ty9<mailto:mikey9ty9 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net<mailto:Pct-L at backcountry.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Water filtration
>
> Sawyer Squeeze. It's very light, quick and convenient. The older versions
> had bladders that were prone to failure if they were squeezed, but fared
> better if rolled. Sawyer has updated this filter this year with sturdier
> bladders. Evernew bladders also work well, but it's almost impossible to
> find.a vendor that has any in stock. Regular soda bottles also work.
> Platypus bladders won't work. It costs about $40.
>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 6:23 PM, mikey9ty9 <mikey9ty9 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all I will attempting a thru hike this year and am struggling with
>> what water filter to buy... it seems alot of informtion even from last year
>> is already oudated due to new profucts being brought out all the time.
>> Anyway with all that said any recommendations on a good filter to look at?
>>
>>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S?III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
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> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 07:06:25 -0800
> From: Daniel Zellman <danielzellman at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Water filtration
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> Check out the Platypus GravityWorks:
> http://www.rei.com/product/813799/platypus-gravityworks-water-filter.
>
> We used it on a five-day hike out on the AT last year and loved it -- so
> much that we bought a second one and are planning on using them for our
> 2013 PCT thru-hike. With two of us each carrying one system, we'll be able
> to carry a total of 8 liters of water each if needed, and with a filter
> life of approx 1,500 liters two filters should more than get us the whole
> way. (We're planning on putting an extra filter and a spare set of bags in
> our bounce box in case of accidents, etc.)
>
> -dz
>
> --
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> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 6:23 PM, mikey9ty9 <mikey9ty9 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all I will attempting a thru hike this year and am struggling with
>> what water filter to buy... it seems alot of informtion even from last year
>> is already oudated due to new profucts being brought out all the time.
>> Anyway with all that said any recommendations on a good filter to look at?
>>
>>
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> Message: 37
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 07:48:53 -0800
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] SVEA-123 Adventures
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> Good morning,
>
> I don?t think Ned?s story is really about the peculiarities of a little gas
> stove, I believe it's a superior example of why one should not use a stove
> in the tent. From this, and other writings over the years, Ned seems to
> approve of using a stove in the tent, while I do not. We all get to decide
> for ourselves.
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
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> On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Ned Tibbits <ned at mountaineducation.org>wrote:
>
>> All in all, there's nothing like a hot meal on a cold day in the woods!
>>
>> My Svea lasted forever and still runs great, though we don't do any hiking
>> with it anymore, just teaching our students what stoves did "in the old
>> days!"
>>
>> Part of the morning's joys were to see if you could start the stove. I
>> didn't try any of the "crotch-cuddling" that Chuck spoke of, but rather
>> used a plastic eye dropper to place fuel in the basin on top of the tank,
>> light it with a BIC lighter, and pray that it was enough to get the "little
>> engine that could" going!
>>
>> Loved that noise, too, Scott! There were times when you couldn't hear your
>> friend talking to you from the next tent over because of the stove roar.
>> Outstanding fun.
>>
>> Only had one disaster with the little stove and found out that you can't
>> cook for too many guests one after the other on the same running stove. The
>> problem with the Svea was that the burner was attached to the tank. The
>> hotter and longer the burner ran, the hotter the tank got...to the point of
>> explosion!
>>
>> I wasn't in the tent at the time (had to step out for a minute), but those
>> running the stove said that a little flame appeared coming out of the
>> pressure-relief valve in the gas cap while the stove was running. They
>> yelled out to me the situation and I yelled back (it was snowing at the
>> time) to throw the stove out of the tent immediately!
>>
>> Unfortunately, they shut the stove off, then threw it out the door into
>> the snow whereupon the pressure grew even more and the fireball outside the
>> tent must have been 8 feet in diameter!
>>
>> Needless to say, we couldn't use the stove until we got to the next town
>> and found a way (in southern New Mexico) to replace the cap!
>>
>>
>>
>> Ned Tibbits, Director
>> Mountain Education
>> www.mountaineducation.org
>> -----Original Message----- From: Scott Williams
>> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 8:52 PM
>> To: CHUCK CHELIN
>> Cc: PCT listserve
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] SVEA-123 Adventures
>>
>>
>> There's some memories. I've still got my original Primus Stove from about
>> 1959 or so, brass tank and little tin box it all sat in as a pot stand. If
>> you couldn't get your freezing hands to warm it up enough to force some gas
>> out into the little cup at the top, we'd all stand around it and light a
>> match and hold that under the gas tank to build up the pressure. Then if
>> it still didn't send up any gas you realized the nozzle was jammed and you
>> had a very fine stiff wire attached to a little piece of sheet metal which
>> could be used to clean out the nozzle.
>>
>> So then you finally got some gas in the cup and lit it, and it sputtered
>> and started to heat and pressurize the tank. As it did so at first it
>> would send out a jet of pure, unvaporized white gas which would always
>> splatter a bit, not good for white gas. Then quickly enough that
>> sputtering liquid would heat the nozzle enough to vaporize the following
>> gas, and it would set up its miniature steam engine, staccato clamor, a
>> signature sound in the wilderness in those days, and start to heat your
>> food.
>>
>> I just Googled vintage Primus and discovered that it was based on the hand
>> held blowtorches of the 1890s. Well, it sure sounded like one, and you
>> could probably weld steal with one. It didn't shut down when you had it on
>> its side. If you took off the little brass plate on the top it would have
>> had a straight jet of flame.
>>
>> Those were the days. I guess. I can still hear that stutter in the woods.
>>
>> Shroomer
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:30 AM, CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net
>>> wrote:
>>
>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> Regular users of the SVEA-123 are correct when they responded that under
>>> average conditions the stove really isn?t all that difficult to start,
>>> however my situation was a bit different: I didn?t use it under average
>>> conditions. In the late-50?s and through the 60?s I mostly used a tiny
>>> campfire to heat food in a modified, traditional Sierra Cup ? by modified
>>> I
>>> mean the wire handle had been re-bent to allow the end of a stick to be
>>> inserted for security over a fire. The fire was seldom fed with sticks
>>> larger than a pencil. That worked well except that during three of the
>>> four seasons here in the Pacific NW -- autumn rain, winter snow, and
>>> spring
>>> rain -- the little sticks are wet.
>>>
>>> That?s when I got the SVEA-123. When conditions were right it started OK,
>>> but there was none of this modern-day turn-the-knob and touch-a-match
>>> business. It was first necessary to put some fuel in the little recessed
>>> channel at the top of the tank which, when lit, would simultaneously heat
>>> the tank so fuel would be slightly pressurized and available to the valve,
>>> plus it would get the burner hot enough to vaporize the gas when the valve
>>> was opened. Simple?sort of.
>>>
>>> One problem was, it was difficult to pour the correct amount of fuel into
>>> the little recess. Too little fuel wouldn?t hack it, and too much would
>>> run out and all around the tank so it was necessary to wait for it to
>>> evaporate before lighting, else there would be a nice fireball.
>>>
>>> Some people carried a separate little squeeze bottle of fuel which was OK,
>>> but it was just one more thing to fuss with, and there was a risk having
>>> it
>>> leak all over the pack.
>>>
>>> A more typical plan was to warm the stove tank with the hands, thereby
>>> creating just enough pressure inside to blow a small amount of fuel out of
>>> the valve when it is cracked slightly open; fuel which then ran down the
>>> stem to fill the little recess. When the recess was full the valve was
>>> closed for lighting. In theory that works OK, except for two things: When
>>> the stove was shut off the evening before the tank was sealed. The next
>>> morning when the tank was very cold a small vacuum had probably been
>>> created inside, and my hands couldn?t provide enough heat to overcome it
>>> unless I first remembered to briefly open the valve to ?let the vacuum
>>> out?
>>> before closing it again for hand-heating. If I didn?t do all that in the
>>> correct order, and usually even if I did, the tank wouldn?t blow like it
>>> was supposed to, it sucked -- both literally and figuratively.
>>>
>>> In the cold conditions when I used the stove I didn?t want to fiddle
>>> around
>>> seemingly-forever trying to get the stove started, and my hands got cold
>>> faster than the stove got warm so when the valve was opened nothing
>>> happened.
>>>
>>> The next step was to find some greater source of body heat for the tank
>>> but, believe me boys and girls, on a frosty morning I didn?t really like
>>> having to spend several minutes crotch-cuddling a 1-pound chunk of
>>> ice-cold
>>> brass.
>>>
>>> One solution was to retrofit the stove with a little pump by changing to a
>>> tank cap that had a check valve to accept the pump. Problem solved ---
>>> maybe: Push on the pump, give it a few strokes to increase the tank
>>> pressure, crack open the valve, and then watch as fuel is quickly blown
>>> out
>>> to enclose the outside of the tank and soak my glove. It worked
>>> eventually, but I had to remember to remove the pump adapter cap after the
>>> stove was shut off, and replace it with the standard cap ? assuming I
>>> didn?t forget to bring it ? because the check valve was notorious for
>>> leaking fuel into my pack.
>>>
>>> None of that addresses the regular need to field-strip the stove to find
>>> plugged orifices or leaky o-rings. Oops, I didn?t really drop that tiny
>>> o-ring in the gravel, did I?
>>>
>>> The solution for all of those problems was to retire the SVEA-123 to the
>>> back of the gear locker and begin using solid fuel in bad weather in just
>>> the same way I used a little wood fire in good weather.
>>>
>>> All of this eventually lead to the current method of not jacking-around
>>> with a stove at all, but eating cold chow instead.
>>>
>>> Quite often the ?good old days?, weren?t.
>>>
>>> Steel-Eye
>>>
>>> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>>>
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