[pct-l] Stoves, stoves and more stoves....

Fri Jan 18 13:07:05 CST 2013

MendoRider,
	Yeah, propane as a fuel is not bad. It is slightly better than white gas in energy content. However, the actual can for containing the gas nearly doubles the weight. A typical 3.77oz can actually weighs close to 7oz depending on which one you purchased. Because they come in incremental parts, they tend to criss-cross back and forth with alcohol for best weight for volume, provided you can toss an empty canister, immediately.
Anyway, Propane is about the best at 20,700 BTU/lb. Kero and WG are about 180000 to 19000 depending on purity and mix. Methanol is only about 9000 and ethanol is about 12000 or so. I believe that Esbits are only 13000 or so.
	But after adding in for a can canisters and alcohol are about the same. Esbits do not burn totally, leaving a film or residue, thus lowering heat content. WG and Kero need heavy appliances to mix fuel before burning. At the end of two weeks, they all come so close to being even (perhaps three or four ounces different) that I just ignore the fuel wars that go on. Alcohol/esbit is the heaviest initially, but lightest at the end. WG is the lightest initially but heaviest at the end. But, that's at my usage...about 2 quarts a day plus cooking. A 1oz soda bottle works for up to 20floz of WG or Alcohol. The density is around .8, btw. 
	My thoughts only . . .
		jdm

> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-
> bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Edward Anderson
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 12:23 PM
> To: Daniel Zellman; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stoves, stoves and more stoves....
> 
> It is my understanding that if an alcohol stove has a
> shut-off valve it would be legal - just as canister
> stoves are. The ability to shut off  the flame is the
> deciding criteria. Can the size of the flame be reduced
> with the shut off "mechanism" so you can simmer? I
> found that being able to reduce the flame with my
> Jetboil was very desirable when cooking on the trail.
> That stove was very fuel efficient. I could cook two
> meals a day for six or seven days with a canister that
> weighed 13 ounces. There is also a smaller canister -
> I'm not sure of its weight. I think it might weigh
> seven ounces. I wonder how much alcohol would weigh to
> cook much as a 13 ounce canister. I think that the
> propane burns hotter than alcohol, especially at the
> higher elevations. I also liked the push-button spark
> way to ignite the flame.
> 
> The above are just my thoughts and opinions. I have
> never used an alcohol stove.
> 
> MendoRider-Hiker
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: Daniel Zellman <danielzellman at gmail.com>
> To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 6:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stoves, stoves and more stoves....
> 
> Bill wrote: "It's also not going to be legal in areas
> where fires are not allowed."
> 
> Hmmm. I would have thought the combination of the
> enclosed flame and the shut-off mechanism incorporated
> into the alcohol burner would mean it WOULD be legal
> wherever gas and canister stoves are legal. No such
> luck...?
> 
> -dz
> 
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:18 AM, Bill Burge
> <bill at burge.com> wrote:
> 
> > It 9 ounces.
> >
> > It's also not going to be legal in areas where fires
> are not allowed.
> >
> > You should be able to get your stove, pot, and maybe
> wind screen to be
> > under nine ounces.
> >
> > SomeGuy
> > Bill Burge
> > Typoed on my iPhone...
> >
> >
> > On Jan 16, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Daniel Zellman
> <danielzellman at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > As with so many things, the deeper I get into the
> subject, the more
> > > I realize how little I know and how much I have to
> learn. So...
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any experience with the Solo
> Stove<
> > http://www.solostove.com/>?
> > > Given how (relatively) light and eco-friendly and
> versatile it is
> > > (or appears to be), it looks like a strong
> contender, but I'd be
> > > very interested in thoughts/experience of anyone
> who's actually used
> > > it before shelling out the $$.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > -dz
> > >
> > > --
> > > Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional.
> > >    --Buddhist proverb
> > > -----------------------------------
> > > Daniel Zellman, LMT, CMLDT
> > > TX lic. #: MT115984
> > >
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