[pct-l] Number Two

Sat Feb 2 21:12:04 CST 2013

I think hikers should scrap the time consuming task of digging a cathole.
 Crap right next to the trail build a sizeable cairn to cover your TP and
feces.  Just think how well marked our NST's would be if we all took this
approach o.O

On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Daniel Zellman <danielzellman at gmail.com>wrote:

> For a comprehensive and detailed treatise on the subject, check out
> Kathleen Meyer's How to Shit in the Woods: An Environmentally Sound
> Approach to a Lost
> Art<
> http://www.amazon.com/How-Shit-Woods-Edition-Environmentally/dp/1580083633/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359858062&sr=8-1&keywords=how+to+shit+in+the+woods
> >
> .
>
> -dz
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> On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi Cat,
> >
> > I first read of that in the book "Never Cry Wolf" by Farley Mowat. He
> > would urinate little squirts in a circle all around his campsite to mark
> > his territory and to discourage wolves. I also recall seeing Les Stroud
> on
> > the TV series Survivorman, do it. The idea is that it might keep certain
> > animals away. I wonder if it works. To discourage bears from coming into
> my
> > camp areas I do something similar using cotton tobacco sacks with two or
> > three mothballs in each. Bears dislike the smell. it does not represent
> > something to eat. It repels them. I have used them for about 23 years now
> > and it seems to work. In some rural areas (I am from the Mendocino
> Coast) I
> > know some people who use mothballs to keep bears away from their garbage
> > cans. Trail Angel Firefly has neighbors in Old Station, near the PCT,
> > who also use them for that purpose. In parts of the Yukon they are called
> > "Bear Charms" when in tobacco sacks. I also use odor-proof OPSaks to
> contain
> >  food smells. So, the only smell they get is one that they don't like. I
> > place them in a big circle surrounding my tent and recover them in the
> > morning.
> >
> > MendoRider-Hiker
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: Cat Nelson <sagegirl51 at gmail.com>
> > To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> > Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 7:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Number Two
> >
> >
> > I have read in several journals where the hiker urinated  around the
> > perimeter of the camp site to deter critters at night. What's the point
> of
> > that?
> > On Feb 1, 2013 5:32 PM, "Edward Anderson" <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Great, I did expect that of you - the good aim.  And, there's no problem
> > with urine on the surface. Women doing #1 should not toss their TP. It is
> > best to carry it out in a Ziplok. Or, better yet, they should do as you
> do.
> > >
> > >MendoRider-Hiker
> > >
> > >
> > >________________________________
> > > From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> > >To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> > >Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > >Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 5:24 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [pct-l] Number Two
> > >
> > >The water falls in my cathole. I guess being a girl I have good aim when
> > squatting. This method works great for number 1, for which girls end up
> > wasting a lot of TP. In fact, most of the TP you will see on the trail is
> > from girls going number 1.
> > >
> > >On Feb 1, 2013, at 1:18 PM, Edward Anderson wrote:
> > >
> > >> The problem that I might have with the squirt bottle approach is -
> > where does the water fall? It will contain human fecal material, which is
> > very high in pathogens along with dog and cattle poop. This is not true
> of
> > horse manure. Or might the water end up on the surface? Rain could wash
> it
> > into water sources. If you can aim well enough for it to fall into the
> cat
> > hole, no problem. Of course, if people wash or swim in streams, creeks
> > ponds, or lakes they will contaminate them. That's one reason why piblic
> > swimming pools are chlorinated.
> > >>
> > >> I have used plant material as well as TP. (I use bio-degradeable TP
> and
> > bury it in the cat hole - which I am careful to dig in organic material
> so
> > that the bacteria will start the decomposition. It's also a good idea to
> > pee on the TP to wet it before covering hole). Two good plant materials
> are
> > a lichen called Grandfathers Beard that you will often find hanging from
> > dead branches of fir trees. Different species will often be light
> chartruse
> > green and sometimes very dark green, almost black. Of course, you bury it
> > in the cat hole. It is very lightweight and can be carried in a Ziplok
> bag.
> > The other that I have sometimes used is called Mules Ear. I have
> sometimes
> > carried used TP out in an OP sack if my next stop is likely to have a
> trash
> > can for disposal. Remember, I don't hitch into towns since I ride a
> horse.
> > >>
> > >> MendoRider-Hiker
> > >>
> > >>
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