[pct-l] Number Two

Sat Feb 2 20:29:22 CST 2013

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On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Hi Cat,
>
> I first read of that in the book "Never Cry Wolf" by Farley Mowat. He
> would urinate little squirts in a circle all around his campsite to mark
> his territory and to discourage wolves. I also recall seeing Les Stroud on
> the TV series Survivorman, do it. The idea is that it might keep certain
> animals away. I wonder if it works. To discourage bears from coming into my
> camp areas I do something similar using cotton tobacco sacks with two or
> three mothballs in each. Bears dislike the smell. it does not represent
> something to eat. It repels them. I have used them for about 23 years now
> and it seems to work. In some rural areas (I am from the Mendocino Coast) I
> know some people who use mothballs to keep bears away from their garbage
> cans. Trail Angel Firefly has neighbors in Old Station, near the PCT,
> who also use them for that purpose. In parts of the Yukon they are called
> "Bear Charms" when in tobacco sacks. I also use odor-proof OPSaks to contain
>  food smells. So, the only smell they get is one that they don't like. I
> place them in a big circle surrounding my tent and recover them in the
> morning.
>
> MendoRider-Hiker
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Cat Nelson <sagegirl51 at gmail.com>
> To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 7:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Number Two
>
>
> I have read in several journals where the hiker urinated  around the
> perimeter of the camp site to deter critters at night. What's the point of
> that?
> On Feb 1, 2013 5:32 PM, "Edward Anderson" <mendoridered at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Great, I did expect that of you - the good aim.  And, there's no problem
> with urine on the surface. Women doing #1 should not toss their TP. It is
> best to carry it out in a Ziplok. Or, better yet, they should do as you do.
> >
> >MendoRider-Hiker
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> > From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> >To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> >Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> >Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 5:24 PM
> >Subject: Re: [pct-l] Number Two
> >
> >The water falls in my cathole. I guess being a girl I have good aim when
> squatting. This method works great for number 1, for which girls end up
> wasting a lot of TP. In fact, most of the TP you will see on the trail is
> from girls going number 1.
> >
> >On Feb 1, 2013, at 1:18 PM, Edward Anderson wrote:
> >
> >> The problem that I might have with the squirt bottle approach is -
> where does the water fall? It will contain human fecal material, which is
> very high in pathogens along with dog and cattle poop. This is not true of
> horse manure. Or might the water end up on the surface? Rain could wash it
> into water sources. If you can aim well enough for it to fall into the cat
> hole, no problem. Of course, if people wash or swim in streams, creeks
> ponds, or lakes they will contaminate them. That's one reason why piblic
> swimming pools are chlorinated.
> >>
> >> I have used plant material as well as TP. (I use bio-degradeable TP and
> bury it in the cat hole - which I am careful to dig in organic material so
> that the bacteria will start the decomposition. It's also a good idea to
> pee on the TP to wet it before covering hole). Two good plant materials are
> a lichen called Grandfathers Beard that you will often find hanging from
> dead branches of fir trees. Different species will often be light chartruse
> green and sometimes very dark green, almost black. Of course, you bury it
> in the cat hole. It is very lightweight and can be carried in a Ziplok bag.
> The other that I have sometimes used is called Mules Ear. I have sometimes
> carried used TP out in an OP sack if my next stop is likely to have a trash
> can for disposal. Remember, I don't hitch into towns since I ride a horse.
> >>
> >> MendoRider-Hiker
> >>
> >>
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