[pct-l] Mendo Rider's request to the USFS for action in response to list posts

[Judson Brown]

I have used an alcohol burning stove for more than a decade, and have never
come even marginally close to an incident. I will continue to use one. If
you use it carefully, it's no more dangerous than any other source of fire.
In short, because I know my use of my stove is not a risk, I will stop
using it when someone pries it from my cold, dead hands.

As for list members posting stuff to the USFS, it is a bit asinine, but
fortunately, largely ineffective. Government agencies have neither the
money nor the manpower to do anything about this, even if they wanted to.
Additionally, they recognize that the vast majority of fires along the PCT
have originated through natural causes. Also, many of those with a human
cause have been attributed to individuals OTHER than through hikers.

I like how he included "impatiently" in his e-mail to the forest service.
That's like snapping your fingers at a waiter. I'm sure they falling over
themselves rushing to satisfy his request.

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>wrote:

> So now we have Mendo Rider forwarding emails from the list to the USFS
> asking for action.
>
> What do list members think of this?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ----- Forwarded Message -----
> > From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> > To: MIESHA <mmcash at fs.fed.us>
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 9:33 AM
> > Subject: Fw: [pct-l] Permanent Campfire Ban on PCT?
> >
> >
> > Hi Miesha,
> >
> > We talked today about fires - about hikers who can potentially start
> them in the National Forests.
> >
> > Please read both posts. One from Gary and the other from harwood. They
> are discussing illegal campfires, my other concern is the use of alcohol
> stoves made from soda cans.
> >
> > I will be watching (impatiently) for a post from the USFS. Please follow
> through.
> >
> > Ed Anderson
> > ----- Forwarded Message -----
> > From: "gschenk1 at roadrunner.com" <gschenk1 at roadrunner.com>
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 8:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Permanent Campfire Ban on PCT?
> >
> > There is already a permanent campfire ban along a lot of the PCT. In
> Southern California, campfires are illegal outside developed campgrounds,
> and in the Sierra there are restrictions above certain altitudes.
> >
> > And in all of these places you'll find fire rings. There are places in
> SoCal were only a PCT hiker would camp, and you'll find fire rings. And
> hikers will brag they have a fire every night. You'll find fire rings in
> the midst of highly combustible chaparral. Is it any wonder SoCal is filled
> with burned out forests.
> >
> > Fortunately for the High Sierra, there's snow pack when the thruhikers
> come through and thus not as many forest fires as down south.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > ---- harwoodcreek at gmail.com wrote:
> >> Given the documented irresponsibility of some (e.g the catastrophic 2012
> >> Chips Creek fire likely caused by a PCT hiker), I favor a complete
> campfire
> >> ban along the PCT.  This should be enforced through a tip line along
> with
> >> occasional ranger patrols.
> >>
> >> I see no need for campfires in the wilderness environment.  Water can be
> >> boiled on a stove; insect repellent, bug jackets and tents repel
> insects;
> >> and adequate clothing and sleeping bags provide warmth.  Thru hikers
> with
> >> no sense of civic and wilderness responsibility should not be able to
> get
> >> away with saving a couple of pounds maximum, skipping the fire ignition
> >> site incommunicado, and causing millions in damage lasting up to a
> >> century.
> >>
> >> Isn't it time for the next
> >  important step in trail protection?
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