[pct-l] Fw: Permanent Campfire Ban on PCT?

[Edward Anderson]

Hi Thatcher,
 
I did not know about that stove. What is the brand name?  What does it weigh compared to a Jetboil. I understand that the alcohol flame can become visable if you add salt. That you can save unused fuel in the burner is a big advantage over the soda can stoves. I would like to compare it weight and efficency wise to my Jetboil. How much liquid fuel (weight) would you have to carry to be able to cook two meals/day as I can with the Jetboil?
 
Thanks for your post.
 
MendoRider
 

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 From: Thatcher Koch <ironlegs at pacbell.net>
To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com> 
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fw:  Permanent Campfire Ban on PCT?
  

hi mendorider,
i will disagree with you about some alcohol stoves. i agree with you on the super light cat stoves. the alcohol stove that i carry is a clik stove support with a trangia burner. it's very stable and you can simmer with it. you can also smother the flame as well carry any unused fuel in the burner until you need it.





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From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
To: Deems <losthiker at sisqtel.net>; "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Thu, September 13, 2012 8:02:30 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fw:  Permanent Campfire Ban on PCT?

Hi Deems,
 
You are mistaken. I respectfully disagree. Alcohol stoves are not  "the same risk as any stove".  Those extremely light weight soda can stoves are much more likely to be blown over by a sudden, and unexpected, gust of wind. This has happened more than once - as reported on the PCT-L. And, the flame is invisible and cannot be turned off - no valve. You can't simmer. It is much safer to use a canister stove. The Jetboil is very light weight and more fuel efficient than alcohol stoves - you only use as much fuel as you need. Cooking two meals/day the larger canister lasts me a week - and it only weighs 13 ounces. Please don't risk burning down any of the PCT. I know, those who are very experienced and careful use them successfully. I'm most concerned that they might, and do, influence new hikers who aspire to do the PCT. 
 
MendoRider


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From: Deems
 <losthiker at sisqtel.net>
To: pct <pct-l at backcountry.net> 
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 7:20 PM
Subject: [pct-l] Fw:  Permanent Campfire Ban on PCT?
  

Subject: [pct-l] Permanent Campfire Ban on PCT?


> Campfire ban on the PCT? I'll vote no on this one.. geez..  The Chips fire 
> cause is unsolved. An alcohol stove is same risk as any stove. Fire, as a 
> gun, is simply a tool
> that one uses responsibly as needed.  Enforcing a fire ban across the 2600
> miles of trail corridor is totally bizarre. In the Marbles, Trinities, 
> Sierra, Glacier, huh? However, let's keep bikes, motorcycles, quadrunners, 
> cars, tanks, SUVs,
> 4wds, rockets, UFOS, space aliens, illegal aliens, dogs,
 cows, Bigfoot,
> religous cults, idiots, hunting, and gun toting rednecks off the trail... 
> I'll vote
> for that..well not dogs, I hike with mine everywhere... Kelly likes 
> fires...Each fire photo is on the PCT
> http://www.pbase.com/losthiker/image/108042240
> http://www.pbase.com/losthiker/image/72979842/original
> http://www.pbase.com/losthiker/image/108042237
> http://www.pbase.com/losthiker/image/132356162
> http://www.pbase.com/losthiker/image/140265409
> http://www.pbase.com/losthiker/image/106860265
> http://www.pbase.com/losthiker/image/94604770 


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