[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 59, Issue 28/Vagrancy Issues
Janette Storer
janettestorer at yahoo.com
Tue Nov 27 12:30:38 CST 2012
This is a subject that comes up often in my household. I live in Redding, near the towns you speak of, and I am always wanting to pick up hikers. My boyfriend gets a big kick out of me, he thinks they are ALL homeless/vagrants.
I have given many a rides from Mt Shasta/ Dunsmuir/ Burney areas...
Janette Storer
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Ticks (Mark Liechty)
2. Re: Ticks (Ground Pounder)
3. be prepared (Brick Robbins)
4. Cannisters v. Bear Boxes (Carol Feinberg)
5. Re: Ticks (tom aterno)
6. Re: Ticks (tom aterno)
7. Re: raingear (Brian Lewis)
8. (no subject) (Kyla Oesterreich)
9. Re: Cannisters v. Bear Boxes (Bob Bankhead)
10. Night Hiking in the Mojave / Vagrancy Issues (BF)
11. Re: Night Hiking in the Mojave / Vagrancy Issues (Bill Burge)
12. Re: (no subject) (Scott Bryce)
13. Re: (no subject) (Matt Signore)
14. Re: Lightning Safety (branko grujcic)
15. Re: (no subject) (Bill Burge)
16. Re: Public Announcement - Trike Rides at 2013 Kickoff
(hiker97 at aol.com)
17. 20% of PCT & AT documentary proceeds to go to PCTA & ATC
until Dec. 20th (Scott "Squatch" Herriott)
18. Re: Pct-L Digest, Vol 59, Issue 22TrailHumor (Janette Storer)
19. Re: be prepared (shon mcganty)
20. Re: Lightning Safety (Yoshihiro Murakami)
21. Re: Pct-L Digest, Vol 59, Issue 27Ticks (Janette Storer)
22. Mt Bikes at Timberline Lodge (Diarmaid Harmon)
23. Re: Mt Bikes at Timberline Lodge (Andrea Dinsmore)
24. Re: (no subject) (Randy Godfrey)
25. Re: (no subject) (Scott Bryce)
26. Re: (no subject) (Randy Godfrey)
27. Re: Raingear (CHUCK CHELIN)
28. Re: (no subject) (Edward Anderson)
29. Re: Raingear (Bob Bankhead)
30. Rain Gear (Pat Wormington)
31. Bear Canisters... (Pat Wormington)
32. Re: (no subject) (Eric Lee)
33. A few gear questions (Nathan Adame)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 10:06:18 -0800
From: Mark Liechty <mlaccs at mlaccs.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ticks
To: "Ned Tibbits" <ned at mountaineducation.org>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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On Nov 26, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Ned Tibbits wrote:
> There's always the fun of snow-camping...no bugs, bears, or dirt!
#####
Plus no crowds and you can setup with just about any view you want and not have to worry about rocks or down trees or other debris getting in the way of where you want to setup your tent.
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 10:08:39 -0800
From: "Ground Pounder" <groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ticks
To: "'nitnoid1'" <nitnoid1 at yahoo.com>, <bluetrail at aol.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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"How's Your Trail?" Hey Old Jar Heads can take it! Remember "Be Prepared"
Ground Pounder Bill "Semper Fi"
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On Behalf Of nitnoid1
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 8:56 AM
To: bluetrail at aol.com
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ticks
We thought we would be in a tick-free area because nighttime temperatures
have been in the mid 20s for several nights. I guess ticks are hardier than
I previously thought. Deet will become a good friend on future hikes.
The Incredible "Not So Bulky" Bulk
On Nov 26, 2012, at 10:04 AM, bluetrail at aol.com wrote:
> In my experience in Florida, the only time that you can't get a tick is
right after a freeze. If I had a dime for every tick I've pulled off, I'd
be rich. Have had two "suspicious" tick bites which drove me to the doc to
get the requisite run of antibiotics.
>
> Joan in Oviedo, FL, a Florida Trail town
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom aterno <nitnoid1 at yahoo.com>
> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:04 pm
> Subject: [pct-l] Ticks
>
> For those of you on the east coast, beware that there are still active
ticks out
> and about. We bushwacked to a pond to photograph swans last Friday. This
> morning, we each found a deer tick embedded in our skin. After removal,
we went
> to urgent care and was given 200 mg of Doxycycline as a prophylaxis dose.
Now
> we have to watch the sites for developing rash. The temperature was 50 deg
F
> last Friday, and we now know that ticks will be active at any temperature
above
> freezing. Lesson learned, we will stick to trails on the east coast in
the
> future.
>
> The Incredible Bulk - missing the PCT, where I never saw a tick
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 10:09:45 -0800
From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
Subject: [pct-l] be prepared
To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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This guys from Mammoth wasn't
http://mammothtimes.com/content/mammoth-local-spends-three-nights-outdoors-during-storm
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 10:37:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Carol Feinberg <carol.feinberg at yahoo.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Cannisters v. Bear Boxes
To: "Pct-L at backcountry.net" <Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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Hi All,
While the distance from Reds to Tuolumne and Tuolumne to the Yosemite park border make hiking bear box to bear box formidable, there is another drawback to that strategy. Hiking from box to box forces you to camp close to boxes, squelching those moments when you exclaim, "This is awesome, let's stop here tonight!"Its handy to have your canister when you come upon those spots where the evening light compels you to stop and you know the next day's sunrise will amaze you, too. Canisters add weight, but facilitate your freedom.
Carol Feinberg
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 10:39:37 -0800 (PST)
From: tom aterno <nitnoid1 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ticks
To: Ned Tibbits <ned at mountaineducation.org>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
<pct-l at backcountry.net>
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"There's always the fun of snow-camping...no bugs, bears, or dirt!"
I know all about it, Ned, as I used to winter backpack in the '70s in the Adirondacks. ?No bugs, bears, or people!
The Incredible Shrinking Bulk
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 10:40:41 -0800 (PST)
From: tom aterno <nitnoid1 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ticks
To: Ground Pounder <groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net>,
"bluetrail at aol.com" <bluetrail at aol.com>
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Take Lyme disease? ?No thanks!
________________________________
From: Ground Pounder <groundpounderbill22 at verizon.net>
To: 'nitnoid1' <nitnoid1 at yahoo.com>; bluetrail at aol.com
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 1:08 PM
Subject: RE: [pct-l] Ticks
"How's Your Trail?"? Hey Old Jar Heads can take it!? Remember "Be Prepared"
Ground Pounder Bill "Semper Fi"
-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of nitnoid1
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 8:56 AM
To: bluetrail at aol.com
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Ticks
We thought we would be in a tick-free area because nighttime temperatures
have been in the mid 20s for several nights. I guess ticks are hardier than
I previously thought. Deet will become a good friend on future hikes.
The Incredible "Not So Bulky" Bulk
On Nov 26, 2012, at 10:04 AM, bluetrail at aol.com wrote:
> In my experience in Florida, the only time that you can't get a tick is
right after a freeze.? If I had a dime for every tick I've pulled off, I'd
be rich.? Have had two "suspicious" tick bites which drove me to the doc to
get the requisite run of antibiotics.
>?
> Joan in Oviedo, FL, a Florida Trail town
>
>
>?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom aterno <nitnoid1 at yahoo.com>
> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Sun, Nov 25, 2012 7:04 pm
> Subject: [pct-l] Ticks
>
> For those of you on the east coast, beware that there are still active
ticks out
> and about.? We bushwacked to a pond to photograph swans last Friday.? This
> morning, we each found a deer tick embedded in our skin.? After removal,
we went
> to urgent care and was given 200 mg of Doxycycline as a prophylaxis dose.
Now
> we have to watch the sites for developing rash. The temperature was 50 deg
F
> last Friday, and we now know that ticks will be active at any temperature
above
> freezing.? Lesson learned, we will stick to trails on the east coast in
the
> future.
>
> The Incredible Bulk - missing the PCT, where I never saw a tick
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 10:55:03 -0800
From: Brian Lewis <brianle8 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] raingear
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>
> *"Oh with driducks the first thing you do after opening the package is to throw
> away the pants - they are useless."*
I cut up a pair of dri-ducks rainpants to convert them into chaps, and I
like having them in that role. No worries about ripping out the crotch
area when you've already done that ahead of time intentionally! :-) I
like using them in places where I don't want to care about what happens to
them, but they also work fine for rainy walks around home too (just easier
to get on and off, lower bulk to carry in a fanny pack or a pocket if I end
up taking them off).
Lorna mentioned the Packa, and I agree --- it's a great piece of kit. But I
don't think it's a particularly good choice for the PCT, unless you're
section hiking the northern part. Heck, hiking in Colorado myself last
year (in part on the CT) I didn't particularly miss my Packa, though it
would have been a better choice there. But for most people, most years,
most of the PCT is a pretty dry experience. Folks that live where I do
(western WA state) have a hard time prepping properly for that, as deep
down I think it's hard for us to accept how little there is of rain and
dew. You have to be prepared for it, but you don't have to make gear
choices as if you'll be in constant rain (as you might in western WA).
For the PCT I would omit pack cover of any sort (a thin liner bag is a fine
idea for infrequent use). I would omit any sort of rain pants or chaps or
skirt. I would tilt my shelter choice more to bug protection (and minimal
weight) than to enduring endless rain. And then consider adjusting some
of those things north of Cascade Locks, or perhaps Timberline.
Have to agree with Handlebar about the PCT in general --- it's my "local"
trail, but being as objective as possible I still think it's the best!
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:51:06 -0600
From: Kyla Oesterreich <oesterreichkyla at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] (no subject)
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Hey Everybody!
I have no idea how email forums work, so please bear with me! I want to do a thru hike starting in April. I am a moderately experienced backpacker and this is my dream. Just need to know where to start. I don't know anyone that is as serious about this trip as I am and I don't want to go by myself for safety reasons. Just want to talk to some other avid hikers I guess?.
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 11:18:52 -0800
From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Cannisters v. Bear Boxes
To: "'Carol Feinberg'" <carol.feinberg at yahoo.com>,
<Pct-L at backcountry.net>
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Even if you are hiking bear box to bear box, you'll likely have trouble
convincing some rangers that you are physically capable of doing so. The
greater the distances involved, the harder the sell. If the sell falls
through, you could find yourself with a citation and/or a forced exit.
-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of Carol Feinberg
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 10:38 AM
To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] Cannisters v. Bear Boxes
Hi All,
While the distance from Reds to Tuolumne and Tuolumne to the Yosemite park
border make hiking bear box to bear box formidable, there is another
drawback to that strategy. Hiking from box to box forces you to camp close
to boxes, squelching those moments when you exclaim, "This is awesome, let's
stop here tonight!"Its handy to have your canister when you come upon those
spots where the evening light compels you to stop and you know the next
day's sunrise will amaze you, too. Canisters add weight, but facilitate your
freedom.
Carol Feinberg
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 11:28:22 -0800 (PST)
From: "BF" <playswmatches at punk.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Night Hiking in the Mojave / Vagrancy Issues
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Planning my thru-hike here, and anticipating my late-May hike through the
Western edge of the Mojave Desert being pretty brutal because, having once
lived there, I know that the daily high temps during that time of year are
in the upper 80's at best, and I know that near trail water sources are
pretty scare.
Coincidentally, May's full moon occurs 3-1/2 weeks after April's ADZKO,
which is when I anticipate myself (and probably quite a few others) having
made it up to the Lake Hughes / Hwy 138 area. I was thinking that hiking
under the full moon for a couple of night might be a way to conserve
moisture. Anybody ever done this out there? I know that Mojave Greens
may be an issue. They're usually bright green during that time of year
and pretty easy to spot during the day, but at night, that might be a
different story.
Also, during a recent road tour through a near trail Nor Cal towns such as
Yreka and Shasta City, I noticed an inexplicably large amount of younger,
unkempt, "outdoorsy" types that, if not for certain tell tales (dogs,
duffels, placards, requests for cash and/or green bud) could have easily
been mistaken for being long distance hikers. I was wondering if the
opposite ever happens: have any of you PCT thru hikers ever had any
problems with being confused being homeless during your travels on and off
the trail?
Any sharing of experience or opinions on the these topics would be greatly
appreciated.
-BF
p.s.- I'm seriously considering getting buttons made up which read "No,
I'm not a Vagrant, I'm a Thru-Hiker" to hand out to fellow members the
Class of 2013 at the ADZPCTKO.
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 11:49:10 -0800
From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Night Hiking in the Mojave / Vagrancy Issues
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net L" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Not usually a problem, especially during "hiker season".
Unless you're hauling ass, 3.5 weeks will be more like "looking forward to Agua Dulce"...
If you start at the Kick-Off, you will also have your sparkly hiker bandana - blue this year, curious to see what color for next year.
SomeGuy
Bill Burge
bill at burge.com
On Nov 26, 2012, at 11:28 AM, BF <playswmatches at punk.net> wrote:
> Planning my thru-hike here, and anticipating my late-May hike through the
> Western edge of the Mojave Desert being pretty brutal because, having once
> lived there, I know that the daily high temps during that time of year are
> in the upper 80's at best, and I know that near trail water sources are
> pretty scare.
>
> Coincidentally, May's full moon occurs 3-1/2 weeks after April's ADZKO,
> which is when I anticipate myself (and probably quite a few others) having
> made it up to the Lake Hughes / Hwy 138 area. I was thinking that hiking
> under the full moon for a couple of night might be a way to conserve
> moisture. Anybody ever done this out there? I know that Mojave Greens
> may be an issue. They're usually bright green during that time of year
> and pretty easy to spot during the day, but at night, that might be a
> different story.
>
> Also, during a recent road tour through a near trail Nor Cal towns such as
> Yreka and Shasta City, I noticed an inexplicably large amount of younger,
> unkempt, "outdoorsy" types that, if not for certain tell tales (dogs,
> duffels, placards, requests for cash and/or green bud) could have easily
> been mistaken for being long distance hikers. I was wondering if the
> opposite ever happens: have any of you PCT thru hikers ever had any
> problems with being confused being homeless during your travels on and off
> the trail?
>
> Any sharing of experience or opinions on the these topics would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> -BF
>
> p.s.- I'm seriously considering getting buttons made up which read "No,
> I'm not a Vagrant, I'm a Thru-Hiker" to hand out to fellow members the
> Class of 2013 at the ADZPCTKO.
>
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:15:31 -0700
From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject)
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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On 11/25/2012 9:51 PM, Kyla Oesterreich wrote:
> I want to do a thru hike starting in April. I am a moderately
> experienced backpacker and this is my dream. Just need to know where
> to start. I don't know anyone that is as serious about this trip as
> I am and I don't want to go by myself for safety reasons.
You won't be alone.
About 400 prospective thru hikers and section hikers will start their
hikes at the southern terminus within a four-week window starting in
mid-April. That will mean an average of 14 hikers per day starting the
trail. The number will be much higher if you start the last weekend in
April. You will meet up with other hikers as you hike. If you are
concerned about safety, just know that PCT hikers look out for each
other. If something goes wrong, there will be someone hiking past you
shortly who can offer help.
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:18:55 -0600
From: Matt Signore <mpsignore at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject)
To: Kyla Oesterreich <oesterreichkyla at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Get Yogi's PCT handbook. Great resupply, town, and planning info.
pcthandbook.com
See you onthe trail.
Worldwide
On Nov 26, 2012 1:18 PM, "Kyla Oesterreich" <oesterreichkyla at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hey Everybody!
> I have no idea how email forums work, so please bear with me! I want to
> do a thru hike starting in April. I am a moderately experienced backpacker
> and this is my dream. Just need to know where to start. I don't know
> anyone that is as serious about this trip as I am and I don't want to go by
> myself for safety reasons. Just want to talk to some other avid hikers I
> guess?.
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:19:24 -0800 (PST)
From: branko grujcic <xo4xx at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lightning Safety
To: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>,
"pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Reinhold,
There's a lot of info on the internet about the myth of metal objects attract lightning.
like this one from National Weather Service (bottom of the page)...
http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/myths.htm
Cheers,
Branko
________________________________
From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 1:31 AM
Subject: [pct-l] Lightning Safety
[pct-l] I'm Fine--Lost PCT Thru Hiker is FOUND
Branko,
I don't know where you get your information from....my information is
old school and perhaps not as updated as yours.
But, if my memory serves me right, my old school info tells me metal
does attract lightning and for that reason a hiker, caught in a thunder
storm should separate himself from his hiking poles and metal frame pack.
If my old school information is wrong, please correct so I will be up to date.
JMT Reinhold
---------------------------------
Branko wrote:
Reinhold wrote:
Or how about the time on one of my JMT fast packs when UL was the #1
priority and I made a rain pancho out of an UL space blanket....it
worked great until it started raining and lightning....that's when I
began to worry that I might be a walking lightning rod...end of story.
-------------------------------
Why do you think you were a lightning rod?
Metal makes no difference on where the lighting strikes, but maybe the
blanket was pointy?
Branko
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:24:11 -0800
From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject)
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net L" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> If something goes wrong, there will be someone hiking past you
> shortly who can offer help.
This depends on the TYPE of help you need.
You should ALWAYS be prepared to fend for yourself.
If you put others at risk because you wanted a lower base weight or didn't think you'd need THAT much water...
SomeGuy
Bill Burge
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On Nov 26, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com> wrote:
> On 11/25/2012 9:51 PM, Kyla Oesterreich wrote:
>> I want to do a thru hike starting in April. I am a moderately
>> experienced backpacker and this is my dream. Just need to know where
>> to start. I don't know anyone that is as serious about this trip as
>> I am and I don't want to go by myself for safety reasons.
>
> You won't be alone.
>
> About 400 prospective thru hikers and section hikers will start their
> hikes at the southern terminus within a four-week window starting in
> mid-April. That will mean an average of 14 hikers per day starting the
> trail. The number will be much higher if you start the last weekend in
> April. You will meet up with other hikers as you hike. If you are
> concerned about safety, just know that PCT hikers look out for each
> other. If something goes wrong, there will be someone hiking past you
> shortly who can offer help.
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:21:07 -0500 (EST)
From: hiker97 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Public Announcement - Trike Rides at 2013
Kickoff
To: bighummel at aol.com
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The WagonMaster wrote: This is the Wagonmaster and this is a forward announcement that no bullhorns or circus balloons will be allowed at the kickoff in our 15th year. The trail pirate, Switchback is herein notified (jk).
-----------------------------------------
Switchback replies: This is an outrage. I was planning on surprise balloon rides over the trail for the 15th anniversary Kickoff. We were going to have bullhorns up in the balloon basket. We would yell down to hikers on the trail, "Hey, it looks pretty hot and tough down there. We are running out of ice for our drinks up here. Anyone got some extra ice with them?"
This is obvious a matter for my attorney's Dowey, Cheatum, and Howe.
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:24:45 -0800
From: "Scott \"Squatch\" Herriott" <yetifan7 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] 20% of PCT & AT documentary proceeds to go to PCTA &
ATC until Dec. 20th
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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That includes all DVD, Blu-ray and download sales.
Thanks and Happy Holidays,
Squatch
www.squatchfilms.com
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:34:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Janette Storer <janettestorer at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 59, Issue 22TrailHumor
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Ahhh yes, had to laugh at that one, I live in the thick of the conservatives :)
Janette Storer
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:37:15 -0800 (PST)
From: shon mcganty <smcganty at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] be prepared
To: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>, PCT
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He did have whiskey, so he was prepared for the cold (no, i'm not being serious here).
________________________________
From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 10:09 AM
Subject: [pct-l] be prepared
This guys from Mammoth wasn't
http://mammothtimes.com/content/mammoth-local-spends-three-nights-outdoors-during-storm
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 08:51:50 +0900
From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lightning Safety
To: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Dear Reinhold
Simply because our bodies conduct electricity well. The metal object
make burns on our bodies, so the misunderstanding emerged.
2012/11/27 branko grujcic <xo4xx at yahoo.com>:
> Reinhold,
>
> There's a lot of info on the internet about the myth of metal objects attract lightning.
> like this one from National Weather Service (bottom of the page)...
>
> http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/myths.htm
>
> Cheers,
> Branko
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 1:31 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] Lightning Safety
>
> [pct-l] I'm Fine--Lost PCT Thru Hiker is FOUND
>
> Branko,
> I don't know where you get your information from....my information is
> old school and perhaps not as updated as yours.
> But, if my memory serves me right, my old school info tells me metal
> does attract lightning and for that reason a hiker, caught in a thunder
> storm should separate himself from his hiking poles and metal frame pack.
>
> If my old school information is wrong, please correct so I will be up to date.
>
> JMT Reinhold
> ---------------------------------
> Branko wrote:
> Reinhold wrote:
> Or how about the time on one of my JMT fast packs when UL was the #1
> priority and I made a rain pancho out of an UL space blanket....it
> worked great until it started raining and lightning....that's when I
> began to worry that I might be a walking lightning rod...end of story.
> -------------------------------
>
> Why do you think you were a lightning rod?
> Metal makes no difference on where the lighting strikes, but maybe the
> blanket was pointy?
>
> Branko
>
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:16:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Janette Storer <janettestorer at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 59, Issue 27Ticks
To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Went backpacking over the weekend on the PCT out of Burney by Crystal & Baum Lakes, found two TINY ticks on my fleece looking for skin :(
Janette Storer
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:21:06 -0800
From: Diarmaid Harmon <irishharmon at comcast.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Mt Bikes at Timberline Lodge
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Just came across this on a local news web site. The PCT actually crosses the top of this planned bike park. Hikers will have to watch out in this area. I foresee a lot of illegal riding on the PCT in the area.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Mount-Hood-to-unveil-bike-park-180919081.html
Diarmaid "Irish" Harmon
irishharmon at comcast.net
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, Guinness in one hand, steak in the other, yell 'Holy Sh**, What a Ride!"
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:06:13 -0800
From: Andrea Dinsmore <andrea at dinsmoreshikerhaven.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mt Bikes at Timberline Lodge
To: Diarmaid Harmon <irishharmon at comcast.net>
Cc: pct-l listserve <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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They built the same thing at Stevens Pass MTB trails around the ski area.
The PCT comes over the top of the Pass pretty near the trail. Haven't heard
of problems. It's only been open a year.
PCT MOM
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Diarmaid Harmon <irishharmon at comcast.net>wrote:
> Just came across this on a local news web site. The PCT actually crosses
> the top of this planned bike park. Hikers will have to watch out in this
> area. I foresee a lot of illegal riding on the PCT in the area.
>
>
> http://www.katu.com/news/local/Mount-Hood-to-unveil-bike-park-180919081.html
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:25:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Randy Godfrey <randy3833 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject)
To: Matt Signore <mpsignore at gmail.com>, Kyla Oesterreich
<oesterreichkyla at gmail.com>
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Matt, Scott and Kyla,
I am also in the beginning stages of a PCT thru hike plan and wondered what you may think of my proposed start date of around April 15th (the year after next).
I have read stories about the unbearable heat in So Cal and in the Mojave. I wanted to get started a little earlier in the season to maybe avoid that. Starting by April 15th would give me a liberal amount of time (I think) to get to Kennedy Meadows by the recommended date of around June 15th (retiring from my job!)? I won't be limited by a time schedule other than finishing the North Cascades by mid October.
Does that sound sensible to you or would it not be a good idea to leave so early? I suppose it would depend somewhat on the snow depth in the Sierras.
Randy
________________________________
From: Matt Signore <mpsignore at gmail.com>
To: Kyla Oesterreich <oesterreichkyla at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject)
Get Yogi's PCT handbook.? Great resupply, town, and planning info.
pcthandbook.com
See you onthe trail.
Worldwide
On Nov 26, 2012 1:18 PM, "Kyla Oesterreich" <oesterreichkyla at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hey Everybody!
> I have no idea how email forums work, so please bear with me!? I want to
> do a thru hike starting in April.? I am a moderately experienced backpacker
> and this is my dream.? Just need to know where to start.? I don't know
> anyone that is as serious about this trip as I am and I don't want to go by
> myself for safety reasons.? Just want to talk to some other avid hikers I
> guess?.
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 06:13:24 -0700
From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject)
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On 11/26/2012 11:25 PM, Randy Godfrey wrote:
> I am also in the beginning stages of a PCT thru hike plan and
> wondered what you may think of my proposed start date of around April
> 15th (the year after next).
>
> I have read stories about the unbearable heat in So Cal and in the
> Mojave. I wanted to get started a little earlier in the season to
> maybe avoid that. Starting by April 15th would give me a liberal
> amount of time (I think) to get to Kennedy Meadows by the recommended
> date of around June 15th (retiring from my job!) I won't be limited
> by a time schedule other than finishing the North Cascades by mid
> October.
>
> Does that sound sensible to you or would it not be a good idea to
> leave so early? I suppose it would depend somewhat on the snow depth
> in the Sierras.
Whether April 15 is a reasonable start date will depend entirely on the
snowpack in southern California. The first snow you will encounter will
be in the San Jacinto mountains, long before the Sierra.
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Message: 26
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 06:40:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Randy Godfrey <randy3833 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject)
To: Matt Signore <mpsignore at gmail.com>
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Thanks Matt and Scott.
I will definitely pay attention to the snow. I did see the Sierra snow/leave Kennedy Meadows formula somewhere and will copy it.
I remember talking to many thru-hikers while on the PCT in Washington during July and August of 2010 and 2011, hearing their horror stories of hiking through 500 miles of snow in the Sierra.
Randy
________________________________
From: Matt Signore <mpsignore at gmail.com>
To: Randy Godfrey <randy3833 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:12 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject)
Randy,
I would pay as much attention to the snow pack North of Kennedy Meadows as I would the heat index.? You can avoid the heat by switching to a vampire shift...aka night hiking.? However, ten feet of snow cannot be remedied.? So, be prepared to sit at Kennedy Meadows General Store / Campground for week(s) with an early start if the snow pack is bad.?
The long term forecast should be favorable for 2013.? I can't recall the website I used to determine the melt date ... the recomended date to reach K. Meadows.? It is in Yogi's guide iirc.? In 2010 I started at the kick off in great shape.? I was doing big days by most standards hiking about 16-18 hours per day and covering about 40 mpd. I got to Kennedy Meadows and the Sierra had 16' of snow still.? So, on a bad snow year that is more of a concern than the heat.? Just my opinion.
Worldwide
trail bum / dirtbag climber
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On Nov 27, 2012 12:25 AM, "Randy Godfrey" <randy3833 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Matt, Scott and Kyla,
>
>I am also in the beginning stages of a PCT thru hike plan and wondered what you may think of my proposed start date of around April 15th (the year after next).
>
>I have read stories about the unbearable heat in So Cal and in the Mojave. I wanted to get started a little earlier in the season to maybe avoid that. Starting by April 15th would give me a liberal amount of time (I think) to get to Kennedy Meadows by the recommended date of around June 15th (retiring from my job!)? I won't be limited by a time schedule other than finishing the North Cascades by mid October.
>
>Does that sound sensible to you or would it not be a good idea to leave so early? I suppose it would depend somewhat on the snow depth in the Sierras.
>
>Randy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Matt Signore <mpsignore at gmail.com>
>To: Kyla Oesterreich <oesterreichkyla at gmail.com>
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject)
>
>Get Yogi's PCT handbook.? Great resupply, town, and planning info.
>
>pcthandbook.com
>
>See you onthe trail.
>
>Worldwide
>On Nov 26, 2012 1:18 PM, "Kyla Oesterreich" <oesterreichkyla at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Hey Everybody!
>> I have no idea how email forums work, so please bear with me!? I want to
>> do a thru hike starting in April.? I am a moderately experienced backpacker
>> and this is my dream.? Just need to know where to start.? I don't know
>> anyone that is as serious about this trip as I am and I don't want to go by
>> myself for safety reasons.? Just want to talk to some other avid hikers I
>> guess?.
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Message: 27
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 06:43:08 -0800
From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Raingear
To: PCT listserve <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Good morning,
*I don?t believe Cedar Tree?s advertising that says Packa is the world?s
only full coverage backpacking rain parka. Maybe they should say, ??
world?s only full-coverage backpacking parka that is currently commercially
available ?? or something along those lines. I think the 13 ounce Packa is
the second-best such rain garment after the 8.8 ounce Bilgy Parcho.
http://www.questoutfitters.com/10JuneParChoSewRedFileSz%20%281%29.pdf*
*As far as I know Parcho is currently only available made from Bilgy?s
plans. As much as I dislike sewing SilNylon, if anything happened to my
Parcho I would sew a replacement myself.*
*Parcho has several attributes that have proven useful to me, including:*
*The large, loose arm sections make it very quick and easy to get one?s
hands inside the Parcho body to gain access the two large inside breast
pockets, or to pants, jacket, or pack pockets; all while the hands are
inside out of the rain. I find this to be of particular value when
preparing the camera for use. When ready I can then poke the camera out of
the Parcho and keep it dry under my hat brim.*
*Another feature that I find useful is the ability to sit while the
Parcho?s skirt covers my legs and knees; even when I sit cross-legged. I
can ? but don?t have to ? sit without actually sitting on the Parcho?s
fabric.*
*Rather than having a traditional sleeve cuff, the Parcho arm sections are
very loose for good ventilation, and there is a grip-strap for the hand to
keep the end of the sleeve covering one?s hands/gloves. That glove
covering makes an amazing difference in hand warmth, particularly when
poles are in the hands. The large arm sections obviate the need for heavy
and aggravating pit-zips.* http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=265651
Stay dry, <http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=265651>
Steel-Eye
-Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
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http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
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Message: 28
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 07:21:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject)
To: Randy Godfrey <randy3833 at yahoo.com>, "pct-l at backcountry.net"
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Randy,
?
Be sure to attend the Kickoff Party later in April (ADZPCTKO). You will get a lot of current information there. If you want a early start, consider the hitch-hiking option if there is too much snow in the San Jacinto's.?You could hitch north from the Pines to Palms Highway - to San Gorgonio Pass. Then hike Section C to Cajon Pass. Then hitch back to Pines to Palms and do that Section with less snow. At the Kickoff they will give you a bright bandanna that says "Hiker to Town" on one side and "Hiker to Trail" on the other. I found it to be?very helpful when hitching.
?
MendoRider-Hiker
________________________________
From: Randy Godfrey <randy3833 at yahoo.com>
To: Matt Signore <mpsignore at gmail.com>
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject)
Thanks Matt and Scott.
I will definitely pay attention to the snow. I did see the Sierra snow/leave Kennedy Meadows formula somewhere and will copy it.
I remember talking to many thru-hikers while on the PCT in Washington during July and August of 2010 and 2011, hearing their horror stories of hiking through 500 miles of snow in the Sierra.
Randy
________________________________
From: Matt Signore <mpsignore at gmail.com>
To: Randy Godfrey <randy3833 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:12 AM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject)
Randy,
I would pay as much
attention to the snow pack North of Kennedy Meadows as I would the heat index.? You can avoid the heat by switching to a
vampire shift...aka night hiking.? However, ten feet of snow cannot be remedied.? So, be prepared to sit at Kennedy Meadows General Store / Campground for week(s) with an early start if the snow pack is bad.?
The long term forecast should be favorable for 2013.? I can't recall the website I used to determine the melt date ... the recomended date to reach K. Meadows.? It is in Yogi's guide iirc.? In 2010 I started at the kick off in great shape.? I was doing big days by most standards hiking about 16-18 hours per day and covering about 40 mpd. I got to Kennedy Meadows and the Sierra had 16' of snow still.? So, on a bad snow year that is more of a concern than the heat.? Just my opinion.
Worldwide
trail bum / dirtbag climber
worldwidesadventures.com
On Nov 27, 2012 12:25 AM, "Randy Godfrey" <randy3833 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Matt, Scott and Kyla,
>
>I am also in the beginning stages of a PCT thru hike plan and wondered what you may think of my proposed start date of around April 15th (the year after next).
>
>I have read stories about the unbearable heat in So Cal and in the Mojave. I wanted to get started a little earlier in the season to maybe avoid that. Starting by April 15th would give me a liberal amount of time (I think) to get to Kennedy Meadows by the recommended date of around June 15th (retiring from my job!)? I won't be limited by a time schedule other than finishing the North Cascades by mid October.
>
>Does that sound sensible to you or would it not be a good idea to leave so early? I suppose it would depend somewhat on the snow depth in the
Sierras.
>
>Randy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Matt Signore <mpsignore at gmail.com>
>To: Kyla Oesterreich <oesterreichkyla at gmail.com>
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject)
>
>Get Yogi's PCT handbook.? Great resupply, town, and planning info.
>
>pcthandbook.com
>
>See you onthe trail.
>
>Worldwide
>On Nov 26, 2012 1:18 PM, "Kyla Oesterreich" <oesterreichkyla at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Hey Everybody!
>> I have no idea how email forums work, so please bear with me!? I want to
>> do a thru hike starting in April.? I am a moderately experienced backpacker
>> and this is my dream.? Just need to know where to start.? I don't know
>> anyone that is as serious about this trip as I am and I
don't want to go by
>> myself for safety reasons.? Just want to talk to some other avid hikers I
>> guess?.
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Message: 29
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 07:34:52 -0800
From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Raingear
To: "'CHUCK CHELIN'" <steeleye at wildblue.net>, "'PCT listserve'"
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Working URL for the Bill Gurwell Parcho:
http://www.questoutfitters.com/10JuneParChoSewRedFileSz%20(1).pdf
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On Behalf Of CHUCK CHELIN
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 6:43 AM
To: PCT listserve
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Raingear
Good morning,
*I don't believe Cedar Tree's advertising that says Packa is the world's
only full coverage backpacking rain parka. Maybe they should say, ".
world's only full-coverage backpacking parka that is currently commercially
available ." or something along those lines. I think the 13 ounce Packa is
the second-best such rain garment after the 8.8 ounce Bilgy Parcho.
http://www.questoutfitters.com/10JuneParChoSewRedFileSz%20%281%29.pdf*
*As far as I know Parcho is currently only available made from Bilgy's
plans. As much as I dislike sewing SilNylon, if anything happened to my
Parcho I would sew a replacement myself.*
*Parcho has several attributes that have proven useful to me, including:*
*The large, loose arm sections make it very quick and easy to get one's
hands inside the Parcho body to gain access the two large inside breast
pockets, or to pants, jacket, or pack pockets; all while the hands are
inside out of the rain. I find this to be of particular value when
preparing the camera for use. When ready I can then poke the camera out of
the Parcho and keep it dry under my hat brim.*
*Another feature that I find useful is the ability to sit while the Parcho's
skirt covers my legs and knees; even when I sit cross-legged. I can - but
don't have to - sit without actually sitting on the Parcho's
fabric.*
*Rather than having a traditional sleeve cuff, the Parcho arm sections are
very loose for good ventilation, and there is a grip-strap for the hand to
keep the end of the sleeve covering one's hands/gloves. That glove covering
makes an amazing difference in hand warmth, particularly when poles are in
the hands. The large arm sections obviate the need for heavy and
aggravating pit-zips.* http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=265651
Steel-Eye
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Message: 30
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 08:35:46 -0800
From: Pat Wormington <airecrew09 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Rain Gear
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Always carry your rain gear!! You never know when it will rain. Rain
gear also serves as wind protection and an extra layer for staying
warmer. My rain pants inseams always fail with all that walking rubbing
the inseams together. So far I have only found Frogg Toggs have no rain
pant inseams but my last suit delaminated, a Cabela's sale
item.......Jollylopper
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Message: 31
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 08:47:36 -0800
From: Pat Wormington <airecrew09 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Bear Canisters...
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I was checked twice by rangers in Yosemite NP. I also had a bear visit
at 10:30 pm and was glad I had my bear canister with me. My food was
still there in the morning. Jollylopper
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Message: 32
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 09:41:01 -0800
From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject)
To: "'Randy Godfrey'" <randy3833 at yahoo.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Randy wrote:
>
Does that sound sensible to you or would it not be a good idea to leave so early? I suppose it would depend somewhat on the snow depth in the Sierras.
>
April 15th is a reasonable target date to plan for at this stage. Lots of people start around that time. You should remain flexible about the exact start date, though, because as winter progresses you'll get much more information about snow conditions in the San Jacintos.
Eric
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Message: 33
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:53:09 -0700
From: Nathan Adame <nathan4517 at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] A few gear questions
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Hello Everyone,
In planning for the 2013 year I have a few questions for the group:
At this point I am considering two tents: The Six Moon Design Haven with
netting or the Tarp Tent StratosSpire 2. They are very comparable tents
but the Haven is a bit smaller, lighter and more expensive (~6oz,3sf,$25)
The extra space on the TT vestibules (33in on each side) would be very nice
for storing gear and better ventilation in a storm but I worry it will be
hard to find spots on the trail to support the large footprint (7ft L X 9ft
W),
I have read books where people say they could not find a spot to sleep
other than directly on the trail. Is this a valid concern or will there be
enough room 99% of the time?
I think overall the tent comparison comes down to extra living space vrs,
6oz less weight. Any advice is greatly appreciated.
My wife and I will both bring Iphone?s (4S) for music, Halfmiles Map
App(As backup), and our only cameras.
We are just starting to map out our resupply points but it looks like we
will be in a town roughly every 3 days. My guess is we can get around 1.5
days of power from each phone so we will need to recharge on the trail. My
two considerations are a solar charger or an external battery.
The pros of a solar charger is you never run out of power (provided you?re
in a sunny area) and you don?t have to wait hours in town for all of your
battery?s to charge.
So far I am leaning towards 1 6000mAh(4 Charges) battery backup. There
are other options out there that offer 7 charges and 11 charges but I am
just not sure how much power one typical uses.
I would expect we would listen to a few hours of music a day, check
Halfmiles Map app about a dozen times, and frequent photos.
Did anyone use an Iphone in 2012 and what was your experience on battery
life? I would be very interested in hearing real life experience on the
trail.
Currently my wife and I have two good sleeping bags. A Marmot Pinnacle (44
oz) and an REI Joule (35oz) We are considering getting a 20 degree extra
wide quilt to share between us or just use one sleeping bag unzipped with
individual silk liners for around 700miles. Is this realistic with some of
the higher passes in the desert? It would reduce our weigh from 79oz to
25.5oz almost 2 liters of water. We have shared an unzipped sleeping bag
in the past without issue into the 40s,
Thanks for the advice!
Nathan
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