[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 51, Issue 36
David Mullins
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> 1. Drivability of Seiad Creek Rd (48N20) to PCT (mile 1677.25)
> (Dennis Phelan)
> 2. Warner Springs Hiker Support, part deux (J J)
> 3. Re: Warner Springs Hiker Support, part deux (AsABat)
> 4. Re: Drivability of Seiad Creek Rd (48N20) to PCT (mile
> 1677.25) (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 5. Drivability of Seiad Creek Rd (48N20) to PCT (mile 1677.25)
> (Weathercarrot -)
> 6. Starr's guide to the JMT (Douglas Tow)
> 7. crocs or...? (aslive at charter.net)
> 8. Drivability of Seiad Creek Rd (48N20) to PCT (mile 1677.25)
> (Deems)
> 9. Any news on Stehekin post office closure? (branko grujcic)
> 10. alternative to bread? (linsey)
> 11. Re: Drivability of Seiad Creek Rd (48N20) to PCT (mile
> 1677.25) (Nathan Miller)
> 12. Re: Drivability of Seiad Creek Rd (48N20) to PCT (mile
> 1677.25) (Weathercarrot -)
> 13. Re: Any news on Stehekin post office closure? (Jason M.)
> 14. Re: Any news on Stehekin post office closure? (Jason M.)
> 15. Re: crocs or...? (Jason M.)
> 16. Stehekin (isabella at bendnet.com)
> 17. Stehekin PO (Len Glassner)
> 18. Re: crocs or...? (Scott Williams)
> 19. Re: Stehekin PO (Jason M.)
> 20. Re: crocs or...? (sabra985)
> 21. Re: crocs or...? (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 22. Re: Stehekin PO (branko grujcic)
> 23. Re: Any news on Stehekin post office closure? (tom aterno)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:08:45 -0700
> From: Dennis Phelan <dennis.phelan at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Drivability of Seiad Creek Rd (48N20) to PCT (mile
> 1677.25)
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> some people posted about driving up the Seiad Creek Rd to the PCT to avoid
> the steep climb out of Seiad Valley. My wife and I are planning on doing
> some section hiking this summer and this option is appealing. I have
> traveled back country forest service roads before and understand they
> usually are full of potholes; but how drivable is this road? Can a normal
> road car make it or does it require a high road clearance car?
>
> thanks,
> Dennis
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:03:37 -0700
> From: J J <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Warner Springs Hiker Support, part deux
> To: PCT list <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Greetings,
>
> Halfmile is providing more complete information about hiker help in the Warner Springs area: http://www.pctnews.com/2012/warner-springs-steps-up-to-help-pct-hikers-452/
>
> Walk well,
> J J
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:21:50 -0700
> From: AsABat <AsABat at 4Jeffrey.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Hiker Support, part deux
> To: J J <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com>,PCT list <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <5521ec33-b415-40f9-aeae-1e7b8ccdf86b at email.android.com>
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> Does anyone know if the shop will have restrooms available, and if so 24/7 or only when the shop is open?
>
> Also, there are/were restrooms behind the tiny church on the hill on the right just as you leave town. Does anyone know if those restrooms are still available or did they close with the resort? I'm not sure who owns the land the church is on.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> AsABat
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>
> J J <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> Halfmile is providing more complete information about hiker help in the Warner Springs area: http://www.pctnews.com/2012/warner-springs-steps-up-to-help-pct-hikers-452/
>
> Walk well,
> J J
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:57:24 -0700
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Drivability of Seiad Creek Rd (48N20) to PCT
> (mile 1677.25)
> To: Dennis Phelan <dennis.phelan at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Good afternoon, Dennis,
>
> I crossed the road at Cook & Green Pass twice in ?10 and from that small
> sample it appeared to be in fine shape for a timber-access/recreation road.
> I haven?t driven it, but probably a passenger car could have easily
> negotiated it -- then.
>
> So far, this is a low snow year in that area as can be seen at:
> http://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/ftpref/support/water/westwide/snowpack/wy2012/snow1203.gif
> but one troubling question is what happened to the road during last year?s
> high snow year that may not have been yet repaired? If the road to Cook &
> Green was open last year there?s a good chance it will not have gotten any
> worse over this snow season. However, such roads are maintained at the
> convenience of the Forest Service based upon their priority for whatever
> resources they may have. They may open/repair that road, or maybe not. If
> there are pressing reasons for the road to be opened -- such as for fire
> suppression, high-profile recreation, commercial interests, etc. ? it may
> move up the list. If other roads have a more pressing need the USFS may
> leave it alone -- possibly closed and gated to keep people out.
>
> One possibility is to ask people at whatever USFS Ranger District
> represents that road. One caution: People at the District offices are
> often very conservative when talking to backwoods tourists. They have
> nothing whatever to gain by encouraging someone to travel a forest road,
> but they will probably get their butt chewed if Aunt Tilly and Uncle Fred
> go up there and get their luxury SUV stuck. ?But, you said??
>
> Local people are often good to ask if you can understand their
> frame-of-reference. They may say they were up there just last weekend, and
> the road was great, but they don?t tell you that they were driving a
> one-pop Jeep ? meaning a Jeep jacked up so high your ears pop once just
> getting into the thing.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
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> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Dennis Phelan <dennis.phelan at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> some people posted about driving up the Seiad Creek Rd to the PCT to avoid
>> the steep climb out of Seiad Valley. My wife and I are planning on doing
>> some section hiking this summer and this option is appealing. I have
>> traveled back country forest service roads before and understand they
>> usually are full of potholes; but how drivable is this road? Can a normal
>> road car make it or does it require a high road clearance car?
>>
>> thanks,
>> Dennis
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 17:56:35 -0400
> From: Weathercarrot - <weathercarrot at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Drivability of Seiad Creek Rd (48N20) to PCT (mile
> 1677.25)
> To: PCT List <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
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> I walked the entire way up to Cook & Green Pass from town in 2010 (wanted to check out new territory - heard it was the old PCT). Turned out to be one of the most well-maintained FS roads I'd ever seen. Once you get past the residential zone and the pavement ends, there are lots of nice views, woods, water sources, a few waterfalls, and virtually no traffic. But anything cold have changed since then.
>
> wc
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 16:27:28 -0700
> From: Douglas Tow <douglastow at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Starr's guide to the JMT
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Good afternoon!
>
> In a memorial to Peter Starr following his death in the Minarets, his
> father, Walter Starr, Sr. commissioned Ansel Adams to produce a book of
> photographs. The result was "Sierra Nevada - The John Muir Trail," a truly
> monumental collection produced in a limited edition of 500 in 1938, and
> privately distributed. Adams took the book to Washington in concert with
> the effort to make Kings Canyon a National Wilderness Area, and presented
> the book to Harold Ickes, the Secretary of the Interior under FDR.
>
> The effort in lobbying Congress was successful, and (I think) Kings Canyon
> was the first National Park designated as a Wilderness Area, a fortunate
> thing because developers wanted to commercialize it ala Yosemite and the
> Grand Canyon.
>
> FDR was shown the Ickes' copy of the book, and was so captivated that he
> (FDR) refused to return it.
>
> While the Ansel Adams book is now in reproduction, the original 1938 volume
> is a stunning masterpiece, comprised only of a short foreword, and 50
> titled photographs tipped in.
>
> Doug
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:50:21 -0400 (EDT)
> From: aslive at charter.net
> Subject: [pct-l] crocs or...?
> To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <76155241.5046a7.13660ddf8dd.Webtop.46 at charter.net>
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>
> Anyone know of an inexpensive source for crocs? My quick review of the
> Internet places them at about $35 which seems higher than I remember
> from last year. Perhaps people are hiking with something different this
> year? I need something as my feet won't allow me to wear trail runners,
> and so I need to change out of my boots at creek crossings and into
> something light weight that, like the crocs, allow the water to pass
> through the shoe and not be ripped off my feet. Although the strap tore
> off my last year's pair.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 16:52:40 -0700
> From: "Deems" <losthiker at sisqtel.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Drivability of Seiad Creek Rd (48N20) to PCT (mile
> 1677.25)
> To: "pct" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> The Cook n' Green Pass road as we locals know it is passable by a car. You
> may have to roll an occasional rock off the road tho. It looked fine when I
> drove up it in Jan2012 for my 37th full moon hike. However, it has never
> been recognized as a PCT section; it's vaguely at best an alternate
> shortcut route. The Devils climb trail from Hwy96 to Kangaroo Springs is a
> very old trail and has been the original PCT for many decades long before I
> first hiked it in 1976.
> http://www.pbase.com/losthiker/image/72979837
> ~~
> some people posted about driving up the Seiad Creek Rd to the PCT to avoid
> the steep climb out of Seiad Valley. My wife and I are planning on doing
> some section hiking this summer and this option is appealing. I have
> traveled back country forest service roads before and understand they
> usually are full of potholes; but how drivable is this road? Can a normal
> road car make it or does it require a high road clearance car?
>
> thanks,
> Dennis
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 17:41:19 -0700 (PDT)
> From: branko grujcic <xo4xx at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Any news on Stehekin post office closure?
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <1333068079.16465.YahooMailNeo at web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> Is this PO still on the list of potential closures, anyone knows?
> Cheers!
> Branko
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:23:31 -0700 (PDT)
> From: linsey <mowoggirl at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] alternative to bread?
> To: pct list serve <pct-l at backcountry.net>, "gideonscher at gmail.com"
> <gideonscher at gmail.com>
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> Dear Gideon,
>
> Dried bread crumbs or?croutons keep for a very long time. Since I dumpster dive day old bread from the?Essential Bakery in Seattle,? I made my own for free from super healthy whole grain breads with lots of seeds and used them on top of cold soaked dried beans (cooked and dehydrated previously at home) with lots of olive oil, balsamic?vinegar?and dried greens. ?They would also go great on mac and cheese, mashed potatoes, soups, or lots of other dishes and do a great job of sopping up lots of olive oil.
>
>
> Sincerely, Lollygag
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:10:29 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Nathan Miller <erccmacfitheal at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Drivability of Seiad Creek Rd (48N20) to PCT
> (mile 1677.25)
> To: PCT List <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>, Weathercarrot -
> <weathercarrot at hotmail.com>
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>> (wanted to check out new territory - heard it
>> was the old PCT).? Turned out to be one of the most
>> well-maintained FS roads I'd ever seen. Once you get past
>> the residential zone and the pavement ends, there are lots
>> of nice views, woods, water sources,? a few waterfalls,
>> and virtually no traffic.
>
> Really? Do you know why it might have been re-routed? I guess the current route is more crest-ish, but it sounds like this old route would have been much more enjoyable.
>
> -Nate the Trail Zombie
> Newberg, OR
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 23:18:54 -0400
> From: Weathercarrot - <weathercarrot at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Drivability of Seiad Creek Rd (48N20) to PCT
> (mile 1677.25)
> To: <erccmacfitheal at yahoo.com>, PCT List
> <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BAY156-W34F583A8A97BD1748EFB04AE490 at phx.gbl>
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>
> I wasn't actually sure about it being the old trail, just something I'd heard years ago but never confirmed. The actual PCT is spectacular
> and highly recommended, especially for a first timer - but on a hot day, start super early in the morning or late afternoon as an evening
> short walk out of town. I took the road because I'd heard about it, wanted to see something new, and there was lots of lightning that day.
>
> wc
>
>> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:10:29 -0700
>> From: erccmacfitheal at yahoo.com
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Drivability of Seiad Creek Rd (48N20) to PCT (mile 1677.25)
>> To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net; weathercarrot at hotmail.com
>>
>>> (wanted to check out new territory - heard it
>>> was the old PCT). Turned out to be one of the most
>>> well-maintained FS roads I'd ever seen. Once you get past
>>> the residential zone and the pavement ends, there are lots
>>> of nice views, woods, water sources, a few waterfalls,
>>> and virtually no traffic.
>>
>> Really? Do you know why it might ha
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