[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 51, Issue 17

CHUCK CHELIN steeleye at wildblue.net
Wed Mar 14 18:17:49 CDT 2012 

Good afternoon, Josh,

Items that I wear are discusses at:
http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=263807

Clothing that I carry is at:
http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=263874

Enjoy your planning,

Steel-Eye

-Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT – 1965

http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye

http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/


On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Josh Hart <thejoshhartproject at gmail.com>wrote:

> Subject; Layers/Clothing
>
> I've been following the PCT-L for nearly two years. It's a daily read for
> me. Last fall I was able to do some solo section hiking in Oregon,
> southbound in September and northbound in October, meeting a dozen or so
> thru's. Elk Lake to Crater Lake
>
> Last fall was the first time I had ever gone backpacking, ever. My gear is
> improving in the direction of UL. I'm hoping you might share your typical
> hiking wardrobe as I would like to not under or over pack if I decide to
> meet up at the KO this year.
>
> What do you wear and what do you put in the pack to stay dry and warm/cool?
> Base Layers, Pants, Jacket, Hats/ Umbrellas/ Rain Gear, Socks, etc.
> (brands/product recommendations)
>
> How insulated should my jacket be? 600/700/800/900 down fill?
>
>
> Thanks & Happy Hiking
>
> Josh (No Trail Name) Hart
> Bend, OR
>
>
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> >   1. Re: alternative to bread?/Lunch foods. (Edward Anderson)
> >   2. socal route finding (juma3 at cox.net)
> >   3. Re: alternative to bread? (sabra985)
> >   4. Re: Warner Springs Closed... (Jim Banks)
> >   5. Re: Warner Springs Closed... (Halfmile)
> >   6. Carry a 6" straw or two....... (Pat Wormington)
> >   7. Re: Carry a 6" straw or two....... (CHUCK CHELIN)
> >   8. Warner Springs (Len Glassner)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 07:13:02 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] alternative to bread?/Lunch foods.
> > To: Gideon Scher <gideonscher at gmail.com>,       "pct-l at backcountry.net"
> >        <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID:
> >        <1331734382.2767.YahooMailNeo at web111610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > Gideon,
> > First, I will say that I am not married to bread. I am quite versatile as
> > to what I eat on the trail. A thought that has crossed my mind is- why
> not
> > just get your starch at dinner rather than at lunch? I do eat starchy
> foods
> > as an important part of dinners. For lunches I eat various kinds of
> energy
> > bars, various kinds of nuts and also various kinds of dried fruits. Also
> > cheese - I have found that the?the BabyBels (I bring three of the
> > flavors)?will keep for weeks and even months?without refrigeration.
> Another
> > cheese that I have become aware of recently is sold by Stater Bros. Super
> > Markets. It is their brand.?It is sliced and individually packaged in 3/4
> > oz sealed packages. I have been rodent?testing it now,
> unrefrigerated,?for
> > nearly two months?with no apparent changes. It is still delicious.
> Another
> > lunch food that I have also been testing is the Mountain House Beef Jerky
> > sold by Costco. It is available in a 12-pack - each weighing 1.25 oz.
> With
> >  lunches, I often include Tang as a drink.?Please understand that my
> > rodent testing is of the packaging material, not the food. Break open the
> > package and the rats and mice will eat the food. The packaging must be of
> > the same kind of plastic used to make the OPSaks - which let no food
> smells
> > out. I have previously?tested many other pre-packaged foods this same
> way.
> > I will soon run another series of tests, and this time will document with
> > dated pictures that will be taken during several weeks. There will be
> other
> > unprotected foods there too. These will, of course, be eaten. You will
> also
> > see rodent turds in the pictures. What I have learned from previous tests
> > is that UNpackaged foods stored in ZipLock freezer bags and Food-Saver
> > freezer bags can be detected and eaten by rodents.
> > Only OPSaks have passed my tests. As for crackers, which are dry,
> > lightweight, and starchy - why not just hang them, in a small net bag,
> > outside your pack?
> > ?
> > MendoRider-Hiker
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: Gideon Scher <gideonscher at gmail.com>
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:40 PM
> > Subject: [pct-l] alternative to bread?
> >
> > Hi to all
> >
> > In my hiking, both short and long distance, I carry bread for my lunch as
> > my starch (supplemented by tuna for protein) as well as for snacking
> > (peanut butter sandwiches). I carry one loaf of whole-wheat bread for 4
> > days worth of lunches (i.e 4 slices per lunch, 16 slices in a loaf). I
> then
> > carry more bread for snack stops. My problem is that it takes up lots of
> > space in my pack. I have tried less bulky tortillas, but they go moldy
> > pretty quickly.
> >
> > Can anyone please recommend an alternative starch that I can use for
> lunch
> > and snacks? I want it be less bulky than bread, provide the same
> > nutritional value and not require the use of a stove or preparation prior
> > to eating (no noodles, couscous etc) .
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Gideon
> >
> > PS: feel free to reply off list too
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> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:21:54 -0400
> > From: <juma3 at cox.net>
> > Subject: [pct-l] socal route finding
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID: <20120314102154.5PFYR.587106.imail at eastrmwml207>
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> >
> > If the trail turns sharply and steeply up, becomes a foot deep trench, or
> > there is no horse crap within a quarter mile,
> > you may be off the trail.  check your map/gps.
> >
> > juma
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:06:02 -0400
> > From: sabra985 <sabra985 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] alternative to bread?
> > To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Cc: Gideon Scher <gideonscher at gmail.com>
> > Message-ID:
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> CAKrd9Jt1tdEAmOJCVFhEdNkK+29FH23NY4qnOweMKYhadZorDg at mail.gmail.com
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> >
> > I've used the Flat Out Bread, which is usually found somewhere near the
> > bakery/deli section of the grocery store. I think there are usually six
> to
> > a pack.
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Gideon Scher <gideonscher at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi to all
> > > >
> > > > In my hiking, both short and long distance, I carry bread for my
> lunch
> > as
> > > > my starch (supplemented by tuna for protein) as well as for snacking
> > > > (peanut butter sandwiches). I carry one loaf of whole-wheat bread
> for 4
> > > > days worth of lunches (i.e 4 slices per lunch, 16 slices in a loaf).
> I
> > > then
> > > > carry more bread for snack stops. My problem is that it takes up lots
> > of
> > > > space in my pack. I have tried less bulky tortillas, but they go
> moldy
> > > > pretty quickly.
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone please recommend an alternative starch that I can use for
> > > lunch
> > > > and snacks? I want it be less bulky than bread, provide the same
> > > > nutritional value and not require the use of a stove or preparation
> > prior
> > > > to eating (no noodles, couscous etc) .
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks,
> > > > Gideon
> > > >
> > > > PS: feel free to reply off list too
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> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:36:51 -0700
> > From: "Jim Banks" <jbanks4 at socal.rr.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Closed...
> > To: <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>, "'joseph kisner'"
> >        <lostonthecrest at hotmail.com>,   <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> >
> > Apparently the sale fell through at the last minute and the Warner
> Springs
> > Ranch company filed for bankruptcy.  See Halfmile's Pacific Crest Trail
> > News
> > website for details.
> >
> > I-Beam
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:
> pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of chiefcowboy at verizon.net
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 1:24 AM
> > To: joseph kisner; pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Closed...
> >
> > Several months ago I posted that the Pala Indians have purchased the
> resort
> > (actually they originally owned the land).  It is closed for complete
> > remodel but they expect to re-open in May or June depending on how the
> > remodel goes (and we all know there will be delays).  If someone has
> > actually gone through there they may have an idea of how it is going in
> > actuality.  This is the first I heard of a trail re-route or the PO
> > closing.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: joseph kisner
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:08 PM
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] Warner Springs Closed...
> >
> >
> >   I just hiked section A this past weekend and found Warner Springs to be
> > permanently closed. I bet this has already been discussed, but in case it
> > has not, they are also considering relocating the trail. I found this out
> > from a teacher at the WS school. He also said that the PO will not be
> there
> > much longer as well. Warner Springs was my favorite resort in So Cal,
> and I
> > am sorry to see it go, but I have a feeling that the reason for the
> > purchase
> >
> > of the tribal land, is to someday put up another large casino. It seems
> > like
> >
> > everything is aiming that way. Does anyone have more facts?
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> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:45:48 -0700
> > From: Halfmile <list at lon.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Closed...
> > To: Jim Banks <jbanks4 at socal.rr.com>
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, joseph kisner <lostonthecrest at hotmail.com>
> > Message-ID:
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> > >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Unfortunately, I don't have much in the way of details other than this
> > is from my PCT News twitter feed last week:
> > https://twitter.com/#!/pctnews/status/178205901239488512
> >
> > -Halfmile
> > www.pctmap.net
> > www.pctnews.com
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Jim Banks <jbanks4 at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> > > Apparently the sale fell through at the last minute and the Warner
> > Springs
> > > Ranch company filed for bankruptcy. ?See Halfmile's Pacific Crest Trail
> > News
> > > website for details.
> > >
> > > I-Beam
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:
> > pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > > On Behalf Of chiefcowboy at verizon.net
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 1:24 AM
> > > To: joseph kisner; pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Closed...
> > >
> > > Several months ago I posted that the Pala Indians have purchased the
> > resort
> > > (actually they originally owned the land). ?It is closed for complete
> > > remodel but they expect to re-open in May or June depending on how the
> > > remodel goes (and we all know there will be delays). ?If someone has
> > > actually gone through there they may have an idea of how it is going in
> > > actuality. ?This is the first I heard of a trail re-route or the PO
> > closing.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: joseph kisner
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:08 PM
> > > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Subject: [pct-l] Warner Springs Closed...
> > >
> > >
> > > ? I just hiked section A this past weekend and found Warner Springs to
> be
> > > permanently closed. I bet this has already been discussed, but in case
> it
> > > has not, they are also considering relocating the trail. I found this
> out
> > > from a teacher at the WS school. He also said that the PO will not be
> > there
> > > much longer as well. Warner Springs was my favorite resort in So Cal,
> > and I
> > > am sorry to see it go, but I have a feeling that the reason for the
> > purchase
> > >
> > > of the tribal land, is to someday put up another large casino. It seems
> > like
> > >
> > > everything is aiming that way. Does anyone have more facts?
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> > Message: 6
> > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:57:04 -0700
> > From: Pat Wormington <airecrew at netzero.net>
> > Subject: [pct-l] Carry a 6" straw or two.......
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID: <4F60BFD0.1000200 at netzero.net>
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> >
> > This dry year carrying a 6" large diameter straw (Seven Eleven type) for
> > diverting small rivulets into your water bottle is a must.  I carry two
> > because you will run into people who have none and you will have to wait
> > around for other hikers to use yours.  There was a water trough with
> > dead frogs floating in it so I used my straw on the seeping bank above
> > the trough in a depression about the size of a silver dollar.  No frog
> > water for me!!
> >
> > Jollylopper
> > ____________________________________________________________
> > 57 Year Old Looks 27
> > Local Woman Reveals Wrinkle Secret That Has Doctors Angry.
> > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4f60bfd57113b1f94961st03vuc
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:12:19 -0700
> > From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Carry a 6" straw or two.......
> > To: Pat Wormington <airecrew at netzero.net>
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID:
> >        <CABc=HN=
> 9VQLOsM688rO9BudZzTqbraNtMt3PrSfWX+B5w2Kq2g at mail.gmail.com
> > >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> >
> > Good morning, Jollylopper,
> >
> > That?s a good idea.  I use a little, plastic Jello Pudding cup for the
> same
> > basic purpose:  To dip water out of small trickles, depressions, and
> > shallow runs.  http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=264360
> >
> > Steel-Eye
> >
> > -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
> >
> > http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> >
> > http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Pat Wormington <airecrew at netzero.net
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > This dry year carrying a 6" large diameter straw (Seven Eleven type)
> for
> > > diverting small rivulets into your water bottle is a must.  I carry two
> > > because you will run into people who have none and you will have to
> wait
> > > around for other hikers to use yours.  There was a water trough with
> > > dead frogs floating in it so I used my straw on the seeping bank above
> > > the trough in a depression about the size of a silver dollar.  No frog
> > > water for me!!
> > >
> > > Jollylopper
> > > ____________________________________________________________
> > > 57 Year Old Looks 27
> > > Local Woman Reveals Wrinkle Secret That Has Doctors Angry.
> > >
> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4f60bfd57113b1f94961st03vuc
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:25:29 -0700
> > From: Len Glassner <len5742 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] Warner Springs
> > To: pct-l <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> >  quick search finds this:
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.sddt.com/Law/article.cfm?Sourcecode=20120305czc&_t=Warner+Springs+Ranch+files+Chapter+11+after+sale+frustrated
> >
> >
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