[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 51, Issue 17

Josh Hart thejoshhartproject at gmail.com
Wed Mar 14 16:14:36 CDT 2012 

Subject; Layers/Clothing

I've been following the PCT-L for nearly two years. It's a daily read for
me. Last fall I was able to do some solo section hiking in Oregon,
southbound in September and northbound in October, meeting a dozen or so
thru's. Elk Lake to Crater Lake

Last fall was the first time I had ever gone backpacking, ever. My gear is
improving in the direction of UL. I'm hoping you might share your typical
hiking wardrobe as I would like to not under or over pack if I decide to
meet up at the KO this year.

What do you wear and what do you put in the pack to stay dry and warm/cool?
Base Layers, Pants, Jacket, Hats/ Umbrellas/ Rain Gear, Socks, etc.
(brands/product recommendations)

How insulated should my jacket be? 600/700/800/900 down fill?


Thanks & Happy Hiking

Josh (No Trail Name) Hart
Bend, OR


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>   1. Re: alternative to bread?/Lunch foods. (Edward Anderson)
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>   3. Re: alternative to bread? (sabra985)
>   4. Re: Warner Springs Closed... (Jim Banks)
>   5. Re: Warner Springs Closed... (Halfmile)
>   6. Carry a 6" straw or two....... (Pat Wormington)
>   7. Re: Carry a 6" straw or two....... (CHUCK CHELIN)
>   8. Warner Springs (Len Glassner)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 07:13:02 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] alternative to bread?/Lunch foods.
> To: Gideon Scher <gideonscher at gmail.com>,       "pct-l at backcountry.net"
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> Gideon,
> First, I will say that I am not married to bread. I am quite versatile as
> to what I eat on the trail. A thought that has crossed my mind is- why not
> just get your starch at dinner rather than at lunch? I do eat starchy foods
> as an important part of dinners. For lunches I eat various kinds of energy
> bars, various kinds of nuts and also various kinds of dried fruits. Also
> cheese - I have found that the?the BabyBels (I bring three of the
> flavors)?will keep for weeks and even months?without refrigeration. Another
> cheese that I have become aware of recently is sold by Stater Bros. Super
> Markets. It is their brand.?It is sliced and individually packaged in 3/4
> oz sealed packages. I have been rodent?testing it now, unrefrigerated,?for
> nearly two months?with no apparent changes. It is still delicious. Another
> lunch food that I have also been testing is the Mountain House Beef Jerky
> sold by Costco. It is available in a 12-pack - each weighing 1.25 oz. With
>  lunches, I often include Tang as a drink.?Please understand that my
> rodent testing is of the packaging material, not the food. Break open the
> package and the rats and mice will eat the food. The packaging must be of
> the same kind of plastic used to make the OPSaks - which let no food smells
> out. I have previously?tested many other pre-packaged foods this same way.
> I will soon run another series of tests, and this time will document with
> dated pictures that will be taken during several weeks. There will be other
> unprotected foods there too. These will, of course, be eaten. You will also
> see rodent turds in the pictures. What I have learned from previous tests
> is that UNpackaged foods stored in ZipLock freezer bags and Food-Saver
> freezer bags can be detected and eaten by rodents.
> Only OPSaks have passed my tests. As for crackers, which are dry,
> lightweight, and starchy - why not just hang them, in a small net bag,
> outside your pack?
> ?
> MendoRider-Hiker
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Gideon Scher <gideonscher at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:40 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] alternative to bread?
>
> Hi to all
>
> In my hiking, both short and long distance, I carry bread for my lunch as
> my starch (supplemented by tuna for protein) as well as for snacking
> (peanut butter sandwiches). I carry one loaf of whole-wheat bread for 4
> days worth of lunches (i.e 4 slices per lunch, 16 slices in a loaf). I then
> carry more bread for snack stops. My problem is that it takes up lots of
> space in my pack. I have tried less bulky tortillas, but they go moldy
> pretty quickly.
>
> Can anyone please recommend an alternative starch that I can use for lunch
> and snacks? I want it be less bulky than bread, provide the same
> nutritional value and not require the use of a stove or preparation prior
> to eating (no noodles, couscous etc) .
>
> Many thanks,
> Gideon
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:21:54 -0400
> From: <juma3 at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] socal route finding
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> If the trail turns sharply and steeply up, becomes a foot deep trench, or
> there is no horse crap within a quarter mile,
> you may be off the trail.  check your map/gps.
>
> juma
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:06:02 -0400
> From: sabra985 <sabra985 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] alternative to bread?
> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc: Gideon Scher <gideonscher at gmail.com>
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> I've used the Flat Out Bread, which is usually found somewhere near the
> bakery/deli section of the grocery store. I think there are usually six to
> a pack.
>
>
>
> > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Gideon Scher <gideonscher at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi to all
> > >
> > > In my hiking, both short and long distance, I carry bread for my lunch
> as
> > > my starch (supplemented by tuna for protein) as well as for snacking
> > > (peanut butter sandwiches). I carry one loaf of whole-wheat bread for 4
> > > days worth of lunches (i.e 4 slices per lunch, 16 slices in a loaf). I
> > then
> > > carry more bread for snack stops. My problem is that it takes up lots
> of
> > > space in my pack. I have tried less bulky tortillas, but they go moldy
> > > pretty quickly.
> > >
> > > Can anyone please recommend an alternative starch that I can use for
> > lunch
> > > and snacks? I want it be less bulky than bread, provide the same
> > > nutritional value and not require the use of a stove or preparation
> prior
> > > to eating (no noodles, couscous etc) .
> > >
> > > Many thanks,
> > > Gideon
> > >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:36:51 -0700
> From: "Jim Banks" <jbanks4 at socal.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Closed...
> To: <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>, "'joseph kisner'"
>        <lostonthecrest at hotmail.com>,   <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Apparently the sale fell through at the last minute and the Warner Springs
> Ranch company filed for bankruptcy.  See Halfmile's Pacific Crest Trail
> News
> website for details.
>
> I-Beam
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of chiefcowboy at verizon.net
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 1:24 AM
> To: joseph kisner; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Closed...
>
> Several months ago I posted that the Pala Indians have purchased the resort
> (actually they originally owned the land).  It is closed for complete
> remodel but they expect to re-open in May or June depending on how the
> remodel goes (and we all know there will be delays).  If someone has
> actually gone through there they may have an idea of how it is going in
> actuality.  This is the first I heard of a trail re-route or the PO
> closing.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: joseph kisner
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:08 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Warner Springs Closed...
>
>
>   I just hiked section A this past weekend and found Warner Springs to be
> permanently closed. I bet this has already been discussed, but in case it
> has not, they are also considering relocating the trail. I found this out
> from a teacher at the WS school. He also said that the PO will not be there
> much longer as well. Warner Springs was my favorite resort in So Cal, and I
> am sorry to see it go, but I have a feeling that the reason for the
> purchase
>
> of the tribal land, is to someday put up another large casino. It seems
> like
>
> everything is aiming that way. Does anyone have more facts?
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:45:48 -0700
> From: Halfmile <list at lon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Closed...
> To: Jim Banks <jbanks4 at socal.rr.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, joseph kisner <lostonthecrest at hotmail.com>
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> Unfortunately, I don't have much in the way of details other than this
> is from my PCT News twitter feed last week:
> https://twitter.com/#!/pctnews/status/178205901239488512
>
> -Halfmile
> www.pctmap.net
> www.pctnews.com
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Jim Banks <jbanks4 at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> > Apparently the sale fell through at the last minute and the Warner
> Springs
> > Ranch company filed for bankruptcy. ?See Halfmile's Pacific Crest Trail
> News
> > website for details.
> >
> > I-Beam
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:
> pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of chiefcowboy at verizon.net
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 1:24 AM
> > To: joseph kisner; pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Closed...
> >
> > Several months ago I posted that the Pala Indians have purchased the
> resort
> > (actually they originally owned the land). ?It is closed for complete
> > remodel but they expect to re-open in May or June depending on how the
> > remodel goes (and we all know there will be delays). ?If someone has
> > actually gone through there they may have an idea of how it is going in
> > actuality. ?This is the first I heard of a trail re-route or the PO
> closing.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: joseph kisner
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:08 PM
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] Warner Springs Closed...
> >
> >
> > ? I just hiked section A this past weekend and found Warner Springs to be
> > permanently closed. I bet this has already been discussed, but in case it
> > has not, they are also considering relocating the trail. I found this out
> > from a teacher at the WS school. He also said that the PO will not be
> there
> > much longer as well. Warner Springs was my favorite resort in So Cal,
> and I
> > am sorry to see it go, but I have a feeling that the reason for the
> purchase
> >
> > of the tribal land, is to someday put up another large casino. It seems
> like
> >
> > everything is aiming that way. Does anyone have more facts?
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:57:04 -0700
> From: Pat Wormington <airecrew at netzero.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Carry a 6" straw or two.......
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> This dry year carrying a 6" large diameter straw (Seven Eleven type) for
> diverting small rivulets into your water bottle is a must.  I carry two
> because you will run into people who have none and you will have to wait
> around for other hikers to use yours.  There was a water trough with
> dead frogs floating in it so I used my straw on the seeping bank above
> the trough in a depression about the size of a silver dollar.  No frog
> water for me!!
>
> Jollylopper
> ____________________________________________________________
> 57 Year Old Looks 27
> Local Woman Reveals Wrinkle Secret That Has Doctors Angry.
> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4f60bfd57113b1f94961st03vuc
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:12:19 -0700
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Carry a 6" straw or two.......
> To: Pat Wormington <airecrew at netzero.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Good morning, Jollylopper,
>
> That?s a good idea.  I use a little, plastic Jello Pudding cup for the same
> basic purpose:  To dip water out of small trickles, depressions, and
> shallow runs.  http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=264360
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Pat Wormington <airecrew at netzero.net
> >wrote:
>
> > This dry year carrying a 6" large diameter straw (Seven Eleven type) for
> > diverting small rivulets into your water bottle is a must.  I carry two
> > because you will run into people who have none and you will have to wait
> > around for other hikers to use yours.  There was a water trough with
> > dead frogs floating in it so I used my straw on the seeping bank above
> > the trough in a depression about the size of a silver dollar.  No frog
> > water for me!!
> >
> > Jollylopper
> > ____________________________________________________________
> > 57 Year Old Looks 27
> > Local Woman Reveals Wrinkle Secret That Has Doctors Angry.
> > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4f60bfd57113b1f94961st03vuc
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:25:29 -0700
> From: Len Glassner <len5742 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Warner Springs
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>  quick search finds this:
>
>
> http://www.sddt.com/Law/article.cfm?Sourcecode=20120305czc&_t=Warner+Springs+Ranch+files+Chapter+11+after+sale+frustrated
>
>
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