[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 54, Issue 17
Damon Gillan
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Fri Jun 15 13:09:25 CDT 2012
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> 1. Re: Where to put your bear can (CHUCK CHELIN)
> 2. Re: iPhone 4s trail GPS (abiegen at cox.net)
> 3. PCT 2013 (mkwart at gci.net)
> 4. Re: Where to put your bear can (shon mcganty)
> 5. Re: What are the Best Shoes for the PCT? (Eric Lee)
> 6. Re: Animals aren't dumb... (gschenk1 at roadrunner.com)
> 7. critter encounters (mkwart at gci.net)
> 8. message for the forum (Robyn Cantor)
> 9. Re: message for the forum (Eric Lee)
> 10. Re: message for the forum (gschenk1 at roadrunner.com)
> 11. Hikertown (David Evans)
> 12. Re: iPhone 4s (Carl Siechert)
> 13. Re: iPhone 4s (Lindsey Sommer)
> 14. Re: iPhone 4s (Halfmile)
> 15. Restless Leg Syndrome (Greg Hummel)
> 16. Re: Restless Leg Syndrome (Greg Hummel)
> 17. Re: The "Lost" effect on our community (Mike Cunningham)
> 18. Re: The "Lost" effect on our community (Lindsey Sommer)
> 19. Re: What are the Best Shoes for the PCT?
> (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 20. best shoes for the PCT - women's (Christy Georg)
> 21. Planning the PCT 2013 (Halmargolis at aol.com)
> 22. Re: Planning the PCT 2013 (Bill Burge)
> 23. Re: Resupplying at Lone Pine vs. Bishop (Yoshihiro Murakami)
> 24. Re: The "Lost" effect on our community (Thomas Jamrog)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:06:47 -0700
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Where to put your bear can
> To: kathi at pctwalker.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Good morning, Kathi,
>
> Some of my thoughts about bear ?cans can be found at:
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=265401
>
> Enjoy your planning,
>
> Steel-Eye
>
> -Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Kathi <pogo at pctwalker.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi List!
> > Hope everyone is out enjoying this fantastic weather... but I hope
> > someone is left to help answer my question. :)
> >
> > When I store my food I usually place my bear can away from my tent and
> > don't think about it too much. I am going to a very popular area and my
> > permit says it is required to stay in the designated camping areas... so
> > no stealth camping (which is what I usually do). Maybe I am not having
> > much faith in human-kind but I have been in these popular areas before
> > where LOTS of people from all walks of life are and I've overheard
> > people waking to find that not a bear, but a person has stolen some of
> > their food. I didn't worry about it myself that trip because it was the
> > last day and at worst I would lose my snacks. This time it is the
> > beginning of my trip and I don't want to lose my weeks worth of food. I
> > definitely don't want to sleep with my bear can in my tent but am
> > concerned about setting it out away from my tent that a person may see
> > my tasty Snickers and decide to help themselves. Any experience? Am I
> > being a human-kind-phobic weeny?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Kathi
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:19:39 -0400
> From: <abiegen at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] iPhone 4s trail GPS
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Cc: "Jackalope96 at aol.com" <Jackalope96 at aol.com>
> Message-ID: <20120614141939.7L0SD.71130.imail at fed1rmwml304>
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> Jackalope96 wrote:
>
> > Anyone know if the iPhone 4s can serve as a trail GPS? What app's would
> be
> > needed? I can't seem to find anything on search engines.
>
> I took my GPS with Halfmile's maps waypoints on my recent 300 mile section
> on the PCT. I also took my iPhone 4s with PDFs of all of Halfmile's maps
> and scanned PDFs of other resources (water-report, phone service, etc.)
> plus Guthook's PCT iPhone app. I also got Halfmile's iPhone app on my last
> day before leaving.
>
> Guthook's app is great. I found a few minor inaccuracies coming into
> Hikertown but everything else was spot on. He also has photos of key
> milestones on the trail which did help.
>
> Halfmile's app is, I found out later a very early version. I frankly could
> not see the value of using the app and the paper maps at the same time. I
> was anticipating Halfmile's app with excitement but was let down. No
> reflection on Halfmile. I love his maps and have been using them since they
> became available. I look forward to where Halfmile will take the app from
> here.
>
> After a week or so, I sent my GPS home since the iPhone 4s was filling all
> my needs on the trail.
>
> TrailHacker
>
> --
> "When my feet hurt, I can't think straight"
> Abraham Lincoln
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:24:43 -0800 (AKDT)
> From: mkwart at gci.net
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT 2013
> To: gwtmp01 at mac.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hi, Gary:
>
> Yogi's book is a good source to see if you can re-supply along the way.
> A good website that has researched PCT resupply towns is
> http://planyourhike.com. I never mailed myself food, and found even some
> small gas station stores satisfied my needs. If you aren't a picky eater
> and can tolerate eating top ramen, macaroni and cheese, pop tarts and
> other stuff that car campers love and the small convenience stores
> stock, then you're home free. Otherwise, you may need to mail yourself a
> package. You can also mail yourself stuff when you get to a town that
> has good food in a bounce box. Now, I make all my own beef jerky and
> granola, so do mail myself those items. The trade off with buying as you
> go is that you spend a lot of time on your zero day buying and
> re-packaging food instead of relaxing. I also receive my mail at home in
> a private mailbox service, so they will store and send packages to me
> because I pay them a monthly fee.
>
> Another source of info is checking trail journals (trailjournals.com or
> postholer.com) to see where people re-supplied successfully and plan
> your hike to stop at the same places.
> --Fireweed
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:35:06 -0700 (PDT)
> From: shon mcganty <smcganty at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Where to put your bear can
> To: "kathi at pctwalker.com" <kathi at pctwalker.com>,
> "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> Do you know if these examples of a person stealing another hiker's food
> was from a backcountry site (hiker taking another hiker's food) or at or
> near a car CG / road?? I can't imaging a hiker stealing food.? That's
> really low.
> ?
> As far as your question, if I'm in the backcountry I'd still throw my bear
> can off in the woods away from tents.?
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Kathi <pogo at pctwalker.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:40 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] Where to put your bear can
>
> Hi List!
> Hope everyone is out enjoying this fantastic weather... but I hope
> someone is left to help answer my question. :)
>
> When I store my food I usually place my bear can away from my tent and
> don't think about it too much. I am going to a very popular area and my
> permit says it is required to stay in the designated camping areas... so
> no stealth camping (which is what I usually do). Maybe I am not having
> much faith in human-kind but I have been in these popular areas before
> where LOTS of people from all walks of life are and I've overheard
> people waking to find that not a bear, but a person has stolen some of
> their food. I didn't worry about it myself that trip because it was the
> last day and at worst I would lose my snacks. This time it is the
> beginning of my trip and I don't want to lose my weeks worth of food. I
> definitely don't want to sleep with my bear can in my tent but am
> concerned about setting it out away from my tent that a person may see
> my tasty Snickers and decide to help themselves. Any experience? Am I
> being a human-kind-phobic weeny?
>
> Thanks!
> Kathi
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:43:53 -0700
> From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] What are the Best Shoes for the PCT?
> To: "'Thomas Jamrog'" <balrog at midcoast.com>, "'Deborah Leader'"
> <djtphn1 at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Uncle Tom wrote:
> >
> Bigger ones than you have now.
> >
>
> I agree. Everyone's feet are unique so this may not be true for you, but
> I've seen far more foot blisters/injuries caused by shoes that are too
> small
> than by shoes that are too big. For some reason the traditional fitting
> advice is to buy a size that grips your foot snugly so you don't feel
> anything slipping around when you walk, but that tends to be way too small
> for long-distance hiking. Most people do better with shoes that allow some
> room to move around. Having your toes jamming the front of your shoes on
> downhills is always a bad thing and must be fixed. Either try a larger
> shoe
> size or another brand with a different shape.
>
> As far as specific shoes models go, there are certain ones that seem to be
> popular. Brooks Cascadias are spoken highly of. That doesn't necessarily
> mean they'll work for you but it's a good place to start. I personally use
> a lightweight leather boot (Lowa Renegade, leather-lined model) because
> they
> agree well with my feet and ankles, but us boot-users are a minority.
>
> Continued training will help, too. It takes a lot time to get your feet
> accustomed to the kind of punishment that long-distance hiking dishes out.
> Some shoes are better than others but no shoe is going to protect you from
> untrained feet.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:43:56 -0400
> From: <gschenk1 at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Animals aren't dumb...
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <20120614184357.Z2I52.5467.root at hrndva-web08-z02>
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>
>
> ---- Brian Montgomery <bmontgomery746 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > "Animals aren't dumb and I'm convinced that they get pissed off at
> > us, but also have a sense of humor."
> >
> > I heartily agree...
>
> Me, too. Many years ago, in another century, we were car camping at
> Kennedy Meadows. Being as we were car camping, a few more beers were
> consumed than was usual for our trips.
>
> That year had a bumper crop of field mice for some reason. We were looking
> for cheap entertainment, so later that night we used a forked stick to prop
> up a sauce pan by the handle. We tied a string to the stick and placed some
> tasty cheese as bait. Soon enough, a brave mouse made for the cheese, with
> a quick pull he was trapped under the pan. After all the guffawing ended,
> we let the little bugger go and reset the trap.
>
> Another mouse fell into our trap, and we were quite pleased with our
> cleverness.
>
> It was my turn at the string, and I was watching carefully, if a bit
> cross-eyed after all those beers. A mouse scampered out, but he didn't head
> for the cheese. He turned and pivoted back and forth doing a little dance,
> which had us all entranced. Then he scampered off.
>
> Which had us perplexed, then we looked under the pan, and the cheese was
> gone! They'd sent out a decoy and nabbed the cheese when we weren't looking!
>
> I only wish I could tell you it didn't work a second time.
>
> Gary
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:07:40 -0800 (AKDT)
> From: mkwart at gci.net
> Subject: [pct-l] critter encounters
> To: "\"Elderly Ellen\" Shopes" <igellenig at gmail.com>,
> pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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>
> Elderly Ellen wrote: At the campground near Drakesbad, I dutifully put
> our food and water bladder in the bear locker when we went to bed. The
> next day, I noticed the bite piece in the drinking tube had 'broken'
> after I used it. On further inspection, it had been chewed on by a
> rodent, as had our gorp supply...think it would have been safer in the
> tent!
>
> I agree that I think food is sometimes safer in the tent. I have had a
> lot more problem with rodents than I have with bears. Keeping food in
> the tent is anathema to the usual hiking ideas, but I have never had any
> problem. Maybe its also because I usually hike alone. I use a bear
> canister in the Sierras only where it is required by law. I am going on
> a backpack trip to the Red Buttes wilderness south of Ashland, OR in the
> beginning of July and people are talking about how they are taking bear
> canisters! I sure won't. We have a tendancy to judge all bears by the
> Sierra yardstick. Most bears are not acclimatized to the herds of hikers
> like those found in the Sierras and have better things to do with their
> time than bother backpackers.
>
> --Fireweed
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 10:50:55 -0500
> From: "Robyn Cantor" <rcantor at austin.rr.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] message for the forum
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> I plan on hiking the PCT/JMT in a few weeks and this will be the first time
> I have used a bear canister for my food. I am slightly confused as to
> where
> you store it at night? Do you just place it on the ground away from your
> tent? What's to prevent a bear from messing with it and pushing it away so
> you end up losing it or having to search for it? Thanks for the help! robyn
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:06:53 -0700
> From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] message for the forum
> To: "'Robyn Cantor'" <rcantor at austin.rr.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BAY145-ds14C52FC1800310565FBBE3BDF40 at phx.gbl>
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>
> Robyn wrote:
> >
> I plan on hiking the PCT/JMT in a few weeks and this will be the first time
> I have used a bear canister for my food. I am slightly confused as to
> where
> you store it at night? Do you just place it on the ground away from your
> tent?
> >
>
> Yup.
>
> >
> What's to prevent a bear from messing with it and pushing it away so you
> end
> up losing it or having to search for it?
> >
>
> Nothing.
>
> It's probably a good idea to place it far away from cliffs, rivers, and
> other problem areas. Some people paint the can orange or something like
> that to make it easier to find. But the good news is that a bear shouldn't
> be able to pick up and carry a can and it's probably not going to be
> motivated to push/roll it very far. It might sit there and fiddle with it
> for quite a while but the bear's main goal is to open the can, not hide it
> from you. By the way, don't tie ropes or anything else around the can -
> that will just give the bear a handle to grab and if it can get a good hold
> on the can it could end up walking off with it.
>
> Check out this video for an example:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sn7oayAaf4k
> If bears had opposable thumbs they'd probably rule the world. :-)
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 16:54:12 -0400
> From: <gschenk1 at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] message for the forum
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <20120614205412.MMKZL.6967.root at hrndva-web08-z02>
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>
> ---- Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > But the good news is that a bear shouldn't
> > be able to pick up and carry a can and it's probably not going to be
> > motivated to push/roll it very far.
>
> Yeah, I've seen bear tracks where the bear just walked by my canister, not
> even bothering to kick it over to see if something might fall out. In one
> such incident the bear walked by the can to grab a bag of hung food.
>
> That bear was undoubtedly shot by the rangers, all because someone
> couldn't be bothered to carry a canister.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:07:05 -0700
> From: David Evans <sauntrer at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Hikertown
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <E9FE072C-6402-4800-AAD8-B1873B93DC52 at gmail.com>
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> Does anyone know the phone number for hikertown? Also, any advice on
> locating packages that were delivered (according to the tracking number)
> but supposedly not there when I arrived would be helpful.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:58:26 -0700
> From: Carl Siechert <carlito at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] iPhone 4s
> To: Jackalope96 at aol.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <CAK1x7VnT-pCKp3Dvg_Z-09GZkQwFgho3p+3Bt82Rmqrwvz68=w at mail.gmail.com
> >
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>
> Hey Jackalope:
>
> The GPS works for determining location even without available cell
> service--but you won't have any maps, which renders the location
> information kind of useless. I found an article about an app called
> OffMaps, which lets you download maps for a selected area to be used
> offline. I have no personal experience with it and make no guarantees; I'm
> just passing on the info I found:
>
> http://www.ehow.com/how_5963452_use-iphone-gps-service.html
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:19 AM, <Jackalope96 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Anyone know if the iPhone 4s can serve as a trail GPS? What app's would
> > be needed? I can't seem to find anything on search engines. I have
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:01:19 -0700
> From: Lindsey Sommer <lgsommer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] iPhone 4s
> To: Carl Siechert <carlito at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>,
> "Jackalope96 at aol.com" <Jackalope96 at aol.com>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> The app called Topo Maps has the same kind of deal. You pre-download the
> maps and then use the gps features without having any service. It's great!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 14, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Carl Siechert <carlito at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey Jackalope:
> >
> > The GPS works for determining location even without available cell
> > service--but you won't have any maps, which renders the location
> > information kind of useless. I found an article about an app called
> > OffMaps, which lets you download maps for a selected area to be used
> > offline. I have no personal experience with it and make no guarantees;
> I'm
> > just passing on the info I found:
> >
> > http://www.ehow.com/how_5963452_use-iphone-gps-service.html
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:19 AM, <Jackalope96 at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone know if the iPhone 4s can serve as a trail GPS? What app's
> would
> >> be needed? I can't seem to find anything on search engines. I have
> >>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:59:49 -0700
> From: Halfmile <list at lon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] iPhone 4s
> To: Jackalope96 at aol.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Jackalope,
> These apps are commonly used to load my GPS data on iPhones:
>
> Topo Maps (the one by Philip Endecott, note that it only loads
> waypoint data not track data)
>
> Gia GPS (easy to load my GPS data from the links on this page:
> http://www.pctmap.net/iphone/styled/gaia.html )
>
> GPS Kit
>
> MotionX-GPS (note it has a 400 waypoint limit)
>
> The Guthook's PCT app is pretty good too, but it comes preloaded with
> Paul Bodnar's data, not mine.
>
> The free Halfmile PCT app has been getting rave reviews, but it's a
> different kind of app. More like a digital data book that knows where
> you are and calculates distance, elevation gain/loss to other points
> on the trail.
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1ZwzPV8rawHPeN3_z9Paq6F_8OHvOZy2C-IYtrge4F-Q
>
> Basic GPS is another useful app. It's just a simple app that gives UTM
> coordinates to use with your paper maps.
>
> You might find this link useful:
> http://adventurealan.com/iphone4gps.htm
>
> -Halfmile
> www.pctmap.net
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:19 AM, <Jackalope96 at aol.com> wrote:
> > Anyone know if the iPhone 4s can serve as a trail GPS? ?What app's ?would
> > be needed? ?I can't seem to find anything on search engines. ?I ?have
> > Halfmile's waypoints for the JMT ?that I was going to load onto ?another
> GPS that
> > has now crapped out!! ?Thanks, Jackalope
> >
> >
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> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:05:23 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Greg Hummel <bighummel at aol.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Restless Leg Syndrome
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Your president of this local chapter of the Great International Restless
> Leg Society (G.I.R.L.S.) brings you this latest information on our terrible
> disease;
>
>
> - Restless legs syndrome is a neurological disorder characterized by
> throbbing, pulling, creeping, or other unpleasant sensations in the legs
> and an uncontrollable, and sometimes overwhelming, urge to move them. (uh,
> duh!)
>
>
> - Because moving the legs relieves the discomfort, people with RLS often
> keep their legs in motion to minimize or prevent the sensations. They may
> pace the floor, constantly move their legs while sitting, and toss and turn
> in bed. (yep!)
>
>
> - Evidence suggests that RLS is related to a dysfunction in the brain?s
> basal ganglia circuits that use the neurotransmitter dopamine, which is
> needed to produce smooth, purposeful muscle activity and movement.
> Disruption of these pathways frequently results in involuntary movements.
> (I've always known that I was crazy, but this suggests we all are! And, it
> explains why I just walk, I don't know why and can't explain any of it)
>
>
> - RLS may begin at any age. Twice as many women as men are affected.
> Symptoms typically become more frequent and last longer as people get
> older. (explains why the average age of a thru-hiker is increasing)
>
>
> Together we will fight to stay active and keep the dirty wolves of this
> disease from consuming us!
>
>
> Greg Hummel
>
>
>
> ?Sometimes, I guess there just aren't enough rocks in the world?
> ? Forest
> Gump
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 19:06:50 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Greg Hummel <bighummel at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Restless Leg Syndrome
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Apologies to those people who actually do suffer from this and not in the
> way that us, those who enjoy hiking long distances, do.
>
>
> Greg Hummel
>
>
>
> ?Sometimes, I guess there just aren't enough rocks in the world?
> ? Forest
> Gump
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 16:57:43 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mike Cunningham <hikermiker at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] The "Lost" effect on our community
> To: Thomas Jamrog <balrog at midcoast.com>, CJ & Cristy Miller
> <soggy2pair at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Having read up to Chapter 3 I will say that there is a reason it is an
> Oprah book club pick. If this were a film it would be a Meryl Streep film.
> Remember "the Bridges of Madison County?" Meryl Streep trumps Clint
> Eastwood.
> ?
> hm
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Thomas Jamrog <balrog at midcoast.com>
> To: CJ & Cristy Miller <soggy2pair at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 11:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] The "Lost" effect on our community
>
> It's chick-lit, but well written Chick literature.
>
> Uncle Tom
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 8, 2012, at 11:12 AM, CJ & Cristy Miller <soggy2pair at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >?
> > ...this is not not not ...NOT..... the first installment of? "CJ's book
> club review"
> >?
> >?
> >?
> > I'll preface my message with "I'm not bashing Wild" as Cheryl certainly
> has more PCT hiking credibility than many of us section hikers.
> >?
> > And, I'll intentionally be vague as to not be a spoiler on the book, it
> certainly is an entertaining book to read as Cheryl does have a good
> writing style.
> >?
> >?
> > My opinion:
> > I believe it is easily turned into a movie because it is more of a
> life-story rather than a PCT hiking story.? Tragedy, turmoil, bad and good
> decisions, an "escape" to a portion of the trail, and rejoice in what
> appears to be her recovery and success as a best-sellling author.
> >?
> > There entire book is well written but, by way of PCT books I would not
> rank it in the top, not for me.? The trailside readers, cactus eaters are
> more entertaining and more thoroughly cover trail life and conditions.?
> *understanding (of course) that nobody out hiking relies on these type of
> published PCT books for trail conditions, and water.? We'll all leave that
> to asabat, and halfmiles updates, yogi's, data book, eric....and the tried
> and true trail angels.
> >?
> > Wild is a decent read, well written and entertaining.
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> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:22:15 -0700
> From: Lindsey Sommer <lgsommer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] The "Lost" effect on our community
> To: Mike Cunningham <hikermiker at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>, CJ & Cristy
> Miller <soggy2pair at yahoo.com>
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> Apparently it's going to be a film soonish.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 14, 2012, at 4:57 PM, Mike Cunningham <hikermiker at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Having read up to Chapter 3 I will say that there is a reason it is an
> Oprah book club pick. If this were a film it would be a Meryl Streep film.
> Remember "the Bridges of Madison County?" Meryl Streep trumps Clint
> Eastwood.
> >
> > hm
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Thomas Jamrog <balrog at midcoast.com>
> > To: CJ & Cristy Miller <soggy2pair at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 11:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] The "Lost" effect on our community
> >
> > It's chick-lit, but well written Chick literature.
> >
> > Uncle Tom
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jun 8, 2012, at 11:12 AM, CJ & Cristy Miller <soggy2pair at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> ...this is not not not ...NOT..... the first installment of "CJ's
> book club review"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'll preface my message with "I'm not bashing Wild" as Cheryl certainly
> has more PCT hiking credibility than many of us section hikers.
> >>
> >> And, I'll intentionally be vague as to not be a spoiler on the book, it
> certainly is an entertaining book to read as Cheryl does have a good
> writing style.
> >>
> >>
> >> My opinion:
> >> I believe it is easily turned into a movie because it is more of a
> life-story rather than a PCT hiking story. Tragedy, turmoil, bad and good
> decisions, an "escape" to a portion of the trail, and rejoice in what
> appears to be her recovery and success as a best-sellling author.
> >>
> >> There entire book is well written but, by way of PCT books I would not
> rank it in the top, not for me. The trailside readers, cactus eaters are
> more entertaining and more thoroughly cover trail life and conditions.
> *understanding (of course) that nobody out hiking relies on these type of
> published PCT books for trail conditions, and water. We'll all leave that
> to asabat, and halfmiles updates, yogi's, data book, eric....and the tried
> and true trail angels.
> >>
> >> Wild is a decent read, well written and entertaining.
> >> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:40:29 -0700
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] What are the Best Shoes for the PCT?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> You need bigger shoes. At least one size, maybe two. You may also
> need them to be wider if the toes getting beat up are on the side.
>
> And most people start a thru-hike in mid-April to beginning of May. I
> started my big section hike on April 30, 2009 with the goal of
> completing California. I was well within most of the hikers at this
> time. Never really alone.
>
> On Jun 14, 2012, at 8:41 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> >
> > I have started preparing for the 2013 thru-hike of the PCT. I have
> > been on
> > a few major, 8 hour, strenuous day hikes and I have to say, my feet
> > are
> > already throbbing. I think I may have even gotten a blister today
> > hiking
> > the East Questa Ridge in San Luis Obispo County that was very up
> > and down
> > some very steep inclines. I found that hiking up-trail I was fine, but
> > hiking down-trail, my toes were pounding into the tips of my shoes.
> > Any
> > suggestions on which shoes are best?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > *Deborah Leader RN, BSN, PHN*
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:47:43 -0600
> From: Christy Georg <christygeorg007 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] best shoes for the PCT - women's
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>
> Deborah,
>
> The guys are right, you need the best shoes for YOU. As a woman who
> thru-hiked in 2011, I can tell you I loved Patagonia Drifter hiking shoes.
> The previous year I did a 3-week test hike in Merril Moabs and my feet
> throbbed even waking me in the night. I need a very firm hard sole to
> prevent "feeling" the trail later. Maybe because I'm older (37). Be sure
> you have room to wiggle your toes and buy them a 1/2 size too big, maybe a
> full size. As long as your toes wiggle and you practice on the downhill
> ramp, with the laces tight enough so your toes don't ram... You're good.
> In hot weather my feet swell amazingly.
>
> Be sure to change your socks at least once a day, more in SoCal. If you
> can soak them in a stream on lunch break, you'll be doing great. When they
> hurt, elevate them on your pack as you're going to bed.
> cheers
>
> wandering dot
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 21:14:23 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Halmargolis at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Planning the PCT 2013
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> From: Hal "Green Hornet" Margolis _halmargolis at aol.com_
> (mailto:halmargolis at aol.com)
> Gary, I live in L.A. and San Diego County. I am familiar with the climate
> and terrain here. I've done the PCT a few years ago. There are a good
> number of us in southern Cal that went through it all and who will be
> pleased to
> help in different ways. If you hadn't already, I suggest you get
> publications from some great people: (1) the latest Guidebook by Schaffer
> et.al
> (all kinds of info in it), (2) great free downloadable relevant maps from
> "halfmile," providing the latest info on water sources (3) the data book
> by
> "Gentle Ben" (a summary of places, distances, elevations and reliable
> water
> sources), (4) Yogi's compilation of food and supply & other resources
> along
> the trail, by Jackie McDonnell, (5) numerous on-line journals available
> from pcta.org --entertaining and inspiring, and of course, (6) this pctl
> site. There is much more ancillary stuff out there, including my book,
> "Trekking Along the Pacific Crest Trail: The First 700 Miles" on the
> amazing
> oddysey of crash anywhere up and down route over many climates from the
> Mexican
> Border to Kennedy Meadows. All these people have learned to love this
> trail.
> I trust you will, too!
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 6/14/2012 10:00:15 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> pct-l-request at backcountry.net writes:
>
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. Re: PCT 2013 (Gary Wright)
> 2. Animals aren't dumb... (Brian Montgomery)
> 3. Re: Preparing for a thru hike (James Vesely)
> 4. Re: Where to put your bear can (ambery-80243 at mypacks.net)
> 5. Re: iPhone 4s trail GPS (Lindsey Sommer)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:44:53 -0400
> From: Gary Wright <gwtmp01 at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT 2013
> To: patrick griffith <patrickjgriffith at hotmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <C20FD8F8-47AA-47AA-BDF8-3477F7EC12B2 at mac.com>
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>
> On Jun 13, 2012, at 4:48 PM, patrick griffith wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi all, and Travis,
> > I too am planning to do the PCT in 2013, i know it's still months away
> but I can't wait. My planning problem is that I am a Brit, and will be
> flying into LA a week or so before ADZPCTKO, and don't know anyone on the
> west
> cost of the usa who will be able to send me food boxes, maps etc, so I was
> wondering if there any others other there who have done the pct
> resupplying
> from trail towns only?
> > My planning is only just beginning so any help would be most welcome.
>
> You need to get Yogi's Handbook (www.pcthandbook.com). It will answer
> all
> your resupply questions.
>
> It is possible and quite common to 'self supply' on the PCT. Either
> purchase food in town or purchase and send food ahead to your stops where
> purchasing isn't a good option.
>
> Radar
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:22:37 -0700
> From: Brian Montgomery <bmontgomery746 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Animals aren't dumb...
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>
> "Animals aren't dumb and I'm convinced that they get pissed off at
> us, but also have a sense of humor."
>
> I heartily agree... One of the funniest instances I have ever seen was
> while on a school field trip with my students many years ago. While
> stopping for lunch at a popular cinder cone south of Bend, OR, one of my
> students decided the break off a chunk of his chocolate chip cookie and
> offer it to our little chipmunk friend while placing the remaining portion
> in his lap while sitting on the ground. While reaching to extend his
> offering, the student was flabbergasted to find the the little
> guy promptly by passed the minuscule proffered portion, ran up into the
> students lap and ran off with the major portion of the cookie leaving our
> hapless student holding the crumbs. One got the sense, from the practiced
> motions of the rodent, that this was NOT the first time he had pulled this
> trick. I laughed so hard I had to sit down...
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:29:41 -0700
> From: "James Vesely" <JVesely at edmsupply.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Preparing for a thru hike
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> http://www.bushwalking.org.au/FAQ/FAQ_Footwear.htm#Sizes
>
>
>
>
>
> Don't know if this was posted before but the link has lot of info on
> shoe selection and some of it is counter to what a lot of us have been
> told. The author Roger Caffin writes articles for Backpacking Light.
> He has an interesting take on arch support for starters.
>
>
>
> If anyone has read the article I like to know what you think, some of
> his ideas seem to make a lot of sense.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Jamrog
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 11:38 AM
> To: mkwart at gci.net
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Preparing for a thru hike
>
>
>
> Regarding gait:
>
> Having your gait assessed by a knowledgeable sports podiatrist is the
> first thing you should do if you are planning a thru hike. Blisters,
> shin splints, back pain all can be compounded or even caused by gait
> abnormalities. In my case, I had to take longer steps, not smaller,
> widen my gait slightly, and aim my heel placement on the inside of the
> heel. I did serious damage to my left foot on my AT thru hike, and
> corrected my gait and was able to complete my PCT thru hike without a
> blister, or any additional
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.bushwalking.org.au/FAQ/FAQ_Footwear.htm#Sizes
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:35:38 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> From: ambery-80243 at mypacks.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Where to put your bear can
> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> I have never had an issue with humans messing with my bear can, but I
> would suggest just trying to locate it at a not too visible spot, and try
> to
> put it there when no one is paying attention.
>
> As far as being concerned with it not being near your tent.....it never
> should be near your tent. You should never put the thing any closer to you
> than you want the bear to be! Bear cans are not necessarily odor proof,
> and
> savvy bears know what they are. They do sometimes come to investigate
> them. I've seen several people cowboy camp and stick their bear can next
> to
> their head. If a bear wants to check it out, I for one wouldn't want him
> that close.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Kathi <pogo at pctwalker.com>
> >Sent: Jun 14, 2012 8:40 AM
> >To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> >Subject: [pct-l] Where to put your bear can
> >
> >Hi List!
> >Hope everyone is out enjoying this fantastic weather... but I hope
> >someone is left to help answer my question. :)
> >
> >When I store my food I usually place my bear can away from my tent and
> >don't think about it too much. I am going to a very popular area and my
> >permit says it is required to stay in the designated camping areas... so
> >no stealth camping (which is what I usually do). Maybe I am not having
> >much faith in human-kind but I have been in these popular areas before
> >where LOTS of people from all walks of life are and I've overheard
> >people waking to find that not a bear, but a person has stolen some of
> >their food. I didn't worry about it myself that trip because it was the
> >last day and at worst I would lose my snacks. This time it is the
> >beginning of my trip and I don't want to lose my weeks worth of food. I
> >definitely don't want to sleep with my bear can in my tent but am
> >concerned about setting it out away from my tent that a person may see
> >my tasty Snickers and decide to help themselves. Any experience? Am I
> >being a human-kind-phobic weeny?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >Kathi
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:37:16 -0700
> From: Lindsey Sommer <lgsommer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] iPhone 4s trail GPS
> To: "Jackalope96 at aol.com" <Jackalope96 at aol.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Hi Jackalope,
>
> I use a 4S as a gps device and it seems to work great.
>
> Check out GPS Kit and Topo Maps. I know that Topo Maps works with
> halfmile's way points too. GPS kit is great to get your bearings in terms
> of
> altitude, location, etc.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 10, 2012, at 7:44 PM, Jackalope96 at aol.com wrote:
>
> > Anyone know if the iPhone 4s can serve as a trail GPS? What app's would
> be
> > needed? I can't seem to find anything on search engines. I have
> Halfmile's
> > waypoints for the JMT that I was going to load onto another GPS that has
> > now crapped out!! Thanks, Jackalope
> >
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 21:10:17 -0700
> From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Planning the PCT 2013
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Asabat is the go2guy for water data:
>
> http://www.4jeffrey.net/pct/index.htm
>
> SomeGuy
> Bill Burge
> bill at burge.com
>
>
>
> On Jun 14, 2012, at 6:14 PM, Halmargolis at aol.com wrote:
>
> > From: Hal "Green Hornet" Margolis _halmargolis at aol.com_
> > (mailto:halmargolis at aol.com)
> > Gary, I live in L.A. and San Diego County. I am familiar with the
> climate
> > and terrain here. I've done the PCT a few years ago. There are a good
> > number of us in southern Cal that went through it all and who will be
> pleased to
> > help in different ways. If you hadn't already, I suggest you get
> > publications from some great people: (1) the latest Guidebook by
> Schaffer et.al
> > (all kinds of info in it), (2) great free downloadable relevant maps
> from
> > "halfmile," providing the latest info on water sources (3) the data
> book by
> > "Gentle Ben" (a summary of places, distances, elevations and reliable
> water
> > sources), (4) Yogi's compilation of food and supply & other resources
> along
> > the trail, by Jackie McDonnell, (5) numerous on-line journals available
> > from pcta.org --entertaining and inspiring, and of course, (6) this
> pctl
> > site. There is much more ancillary stuff out there, including my book,
> > "Trekking Along the Pacific Crest Trail: The First 700 Miles" on the
> amazing
> > oddysey of crash anywhere up and down route over many climates from the
> Mexican
> > Border to Kennedy Meadows. All these people have learned to love this
> trail.
> > I trust you will, too!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 6/14/2012 10:00:15 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
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> > 1. Re: PCT 2013 (Gary Wright)
> > 2. Animals aren't dumb... (Brian Montgomery)
> > 3. Re: Preparing for a thru hike (James Vesely)
> > 4. Re: Where to put your bear can (ambery-80243 at mypacks.net)
> > 5. Re: iPhone 4s trail GPS (Lindsey Sommer)
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:44:53 -0400
> > From: Gary Wright <gwtmp01 at mac.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT 2013
> > To: patrick griffith <patrickjgriffith at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID: <C20FD8F8-47AA-47AA-BDF8-3477F7EC12B2 at mac.com>
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> >
> > On Jun 13, 2012, at 4:48 PM, patrick griffith wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi all, and Travis,
> >> I too am planning to do the PCT in 2013, i know it's still months away
> > but I can't wait. My planning problem is that I am a Brit, and will be
> > flying into LA a week or so before ADZPCTKO, and don't know anyone on
> the west
> > cost of the usa who will be able to send me food boxes, maps etc, so I
> was
> > wondering if there any others other there who have done the pct
> resupplying
> > from trail towns only?
> >> My planning is only just beginning so any help would be most welcome.
> >
> > You need to get Yogi's Handbook (www.pcthandbook.com). It will answer
> all
> > your resupply questions.
> >
> > It is possible and quite common to 'self supply' on the PCT. Either
> > purchase food in town or purchase and send food ahead to your stops
> where
> > purchasing isn't a good option.
> >
> > Radar
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:22:37 -0700
> > From: Brian Montgomery <bmontgomery746 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] Animals aren't dumb...
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > "Animals aren't dumb and I'm convinced that they get pissed off at
> > us, but also have a sense of humor."
> >
> > I heartily agree... One of the funniest instances I have ever seen was
> > while on a school field trip with my students many years ago. While
> > stopping for lunch at a popular cinder cone south of Bend, OR, one of my
> > students decided the break off a chunk of his chocolate chip cookie and
> > offer it to our little chipmunk friend while placing the remaining
> portion
> > in his lap while sitting on the ground. While reaching to extend his
> > offering, the student was flabbergasted to find the the little
> > guy promptly by passed the minuscule proffered portion, ran up into the
> > students lap and ran off with the major portion of the cookie leaving
> our
> > hapless student holding the crumbs. One got the sense, from the
> practiced
> > motions of the rodent, that this was NOT the first time he had pulled
> this
> > trick. I laughed so hard I had to sit down...
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:29:41 -0700
> > From: "James Vesely" <JVesely at edmsupply.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Preparing for a thru hike
> > To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> > http://www.bushwalking.org.au/FAQ/FAQ_Footwear.htm#Sizes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Don't know if this was posted before but the link has lot of info on
> > shoe selection and some of it is counter to what a lot of us have been
> > told. The author Roger Caffin writes articles for Backpacking Light.
> > He has an interesting take on arch support for starters.
> >
> >
> >
> > If anyone has read the article I like to know what you think, some of
> > his ideas seem to make a lot of sense.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> > [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Jamrog
> > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 11:38 AM
> > To: mkwart at gci.net
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Preparing for a thru hike
> >
> >
> >
> > Regarding gait:
> >
> > Having your gait assessed by a knowledgeable sports podiatrist is the
> > first thing you should do if you are planning a thru hike. Blisters,
> > shin splints, back pain all can be compounded or even caused by gait
> > abnormalities. In my case, I had to take longer steps, not smaller,
> > widen my gait slightly, and aim my heel placement on the inside of the
> > heel. I did serious damage to my left foot on my AT thru hike, and
> > corrected my gait and was able to complete my PCT thru hike without a
> > blister, or any additional
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.bushwalking.org.au/FAQ/FAQ_Footwear.htm#Sizes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:35:38 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> > From: ambery-80243 at mypacks.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Where to put your bear can
> > To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> > I have never had an issue with humans messing with my bear can, but I
> > would suggest just trying to locate it at a not too visible spot, and
> try to
> > put it there when no one is paying attention.
> >
> > As far as being concerned with it not being near your tent.....it never
> > should be near your tent. You should never put the thing any closer to
> you
> > than you want the bear to be! Bear cans are not necessarily odor
> proof, and
> > savvy bears know what they are. They do sometimes come to investigate
> > them. I've seen several people cowboy camp and stick their bear can
> next to
> > their head. If a bear wants to check it out, I for one wouldn't want
> him
> > that close.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Kathi <pogo at pctwalker.com>
> >> Sent: Jun 14, 2012 8:40 AM
> >> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> >> Subject: [pct-l] Where to put your bear can
> >>
> >> Hi List!
> >> Hope everyone is out enjoying this fantastic weather... but I hope
> >> someone is left to help answer my question. :)
> >>
> >> When I store my food I usually place my bear can away from my tent and
> >> don't think about it too much. I am going to a very popular area and my
> >> permit says it is required to stay in the designated camping areas...
> so
> >> no stealth camping (which is what I usually do). Maybe I am not having
> >> much faith in human-kind but I have been in these popular areas before
> >> where LOTS of people from all walks of life are and I've overheard
> >> people waking to find that not a bear, but a person has stolen some of
> >> their food. I didn't worry about it myself that trip because it was the
> >> last day and at worst I would lose my snacks. This time it is the
> >> beginning of my trip and I don't want to lose my weeks worth of food. I
> >> definitely don't want to sleep with my bear can in my tent but am
> >> concerned about setting it out away from my tent that a person may see
> >> my tasty Snickers and decide to help themselves. Any experience? Am I
> >> being a human-kind-phobic weeny?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> Kathi
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:37:16 -0700
> > From: Lindsey Sommer <lgsommer at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] iPhone 4s trail GPS
> > To: "Jackalope96 at aol.com" <Jackalope96 at aol.com>
> > Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> > Hi Jackalope,
> >
> > I use a 4S as a gps device and it seems to work great.
> >
> > Check out GPS Kit and Topo Maps. I know that Topo Maps works with
> > halfmile's way points too. GPS kit is great to get your bearings in
> terms of
> > altitude, location, etc.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jun 10, 2012, at 7:44 PM, Jackalope96 at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone know if the iPhone 4s can serve as a trail GPS? What app's would
> > be
> >> needed? I can't seem to find anything on search engines. I have
> > Halfmile's
> >> waypoints for the JMT that I was going to load onto another GPS that
> has
> >> now crapped out!! Thanks, Jackalope
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 23
> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 15:20:21 +0900
> From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Resupplying at Lone Pine vs. Bishop
> To: John Hoffman <jhoffm at ucla.edu>
> Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net
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> Dear John
>
> I hiked JMT 3 times. Bishop is larger than Lone Pine. There are many
> motels and a large super market (VONS ). Last year, accidentally I
> ended at Bishop, because of my wife's altitude sickness. But we had
> enjoyed very much in Bishop. So I recommend Bishop.
>
>
> > My girlfriend and I will be heading south from Tuolumne on the 24th and
> one of our resupply points will be either Bishop or Lone Pine via Kearsarge
> Pass.
>
> > Second question: This is the first long trip (i.e. long enough to need a
> resupply) we've done. I've seen the 5 gallon buckets recommended by VVR as
> resupply boxes, but is that really the best option? Any other container
> options?
>
> VVR receives any package. Because I am a foreigner, I cannot get an
> American bucket. So I usually send resupplies in a large cardboard
> box. Jim is a very kind man.
>
>
>
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> Message: 24
> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 07:03:43 -0400
> From: Thomas Jamrog <balrog at midcoast.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] The "Lost" effect on our community
> To: Lindsey Sommer <lgsommer at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>, CJ & Cristy
> Miller <soggy2pair at yahoo.com>
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> The movie rights were all set up in November, before the book was even
> published in March. The back story to this deal is constantly unfolding.
> Reese Witherspoon will star as Strayed, with Strayed listed as a producer.
> If interested, I put a link about the director, etc, and more Strayed big
> love on my blog.
> Uncle Tom
>
> I have always held it a crime to anticipate evils. I believe it a good
> comfortable road until I am compelled to believe differently.
> Meriwether Lewis, May 26, 1805.
>
> On Jun 14, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Lindsey Sommer wrote:
>
> > Apparently it's going to be a film soonish.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jun 14, 2012, at 4:57 PM, Mike Cunningham <hikermiker at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Having read up to Chapter 3 I will say that there is a reason it is an
> Oprah book club pick. If this were a film it would be a Meryl Streep film.
> Remember "the Bridges of Madison County?" Meryl Streep trumps Clint
> Eastwood.
> >>
> >> hm
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Thomas Jamrog <balrog at midcoast.com>
> >> To: CJ & Cristy Miller <soggy2pair at yahoo.com>
> >> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> >> Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 11:23 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [pct-l] The "Lost" effect on our community
> >>
> >> It's chick-lit, but well written Chick literature.
> >>
> >> Uncle Tom
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Jun 8, 2012, at 11:12 AM, CJ & Cristy Miller <soggy2pair at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> ...this is not not not ...NOT..... the first installment of "CJ's
> book club review"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'll preface my message with "I'm not bashing Wild" as Cheryl
> certainly has more PCT hiking credibility than many of us section hikers.
> >>>
> >>> And, I'll intentionally be vague as to not be a spoiler on the book,
> it certainly is an entertaining book to read as Cheryl does have a good
> writing style.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My opinion:
> >>> I believe it is easily turned into a movie because it is more of a
> life-story rather than a PCT hiking story. Tragedy, turmoil, bad and good
> decisions, an "escape" to a portion of the trail, and rejoice in what
> appears to be her recovery and success as a best-sellling author.
> >>>
> >>> There entire book is well written but, by way of PCT books I would not
> rank it in the top, not for me. The trailside readers, cactus eaters are
> more entertaining and more thoroughly cover trail life and conditions.
> *understanding (of course) that nobody out hiking relies on these type of
> published PCT books for trail conditions, and water. We'll all leave that
> to asabat, and halfmiles updates, yogi's, data book, eric....and the tried
> and true trail angels.
> >>>
> >>> Wild is a decent read, well written and entertaining.
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