[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 50, Issue 33 long term parking in Old Station
Janette Storer
janettestorer at yahoo.com
Tue Feb 28 16:02:09 CST 2012
If nothing opens up in Old Station you can leave your car at my residence in Redding and I could pick you guys up there and bring you back to your car...
Janette Storer
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Today's Topics:
1. Fwd: Re: Admin Note: Cabin fever, dogs, alcohol stoves, guns
and Reinhold (Reinhold Metzger)
2. Trail Etiquette Top Ten for a Rookie (Reinhold Metzger)
3. Re: PCT Thur Hike (Reinhold Metzger)
4. Re: Park rangers (Brick Robbins)
5. Re: Trail Angel (Greg Hummel)
6. Re: Trail Angel (T.Rem)
7. Re: Protein shakes as trail food? (Scott Williams)
8. Re: A boot tale and acceptable language (Scott Williams)
9. A great boot and beer story (Georgi Heitman)
10. illegal copies of ANYthing, oh, and YOGI (Georgi Heitman)
11. Re: illegal copies of ANYthing, oh, and YOGI (Bob Bankhead)
12. PCT Film Night in Bellevue and Seattle (Chris Caviezel)
13. Park rangers (Suzi Swinehart)
14. Re: Poodle bush (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
15. a pot for two and newbie questions (Suzi Swinehart)
16. Poodle bush (Suzi Swinehart)
17. Re: Service Dogs (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
18. Re: Food ideas! (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
19. Your hike from VVR to Ebbetts Pass (Douglas Tow)
20. Re: Your hike from VVR to Ebbetts Pass (Paul Bodnar)
21. Long term parking at Old Station (jamesfmiller at hotmail.com)
22. Re: Your hike from VVR to Ebbetts Pass (CHUCK CHELIN)
23. Re: acceptable language...a side story (sabra985)
24. Re: Service Dogs (Tortoise)
25. San Diego PCT gets lots of snow (Brick Robbins)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 07:20:31 -0800
From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Fwd: Re: Admin Note: Cabin fever, dogs, alcohol
stoves, guns and Reinhold
To: treerings at gmail.com, PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>, Yoshihiro
Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F4A4DBF.5070703 at cox.net>
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Yes, Treerings,
But what if they do catch me?.....I'm not as fast as I used to
be.....they'll have their way with me.
Yogi is pretty fast....not as fast as I am, but she is getting faster
faster and I am slowing down.
What if Yogi catches me???
Besides, I never had my hips replaced....I can still wiggle them as good
as ever.
It's the shoulders that I trashed (needed reconstructive surgeries)
during some high speed ski crashes.
JMT Reinhold
Your nervous trail companion
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Treerings wrote:
Hike on, Reinhold, hike on!
You are getting slower, but so are the babes.
But they'll never catch you.
You're better looking and have more modern hip replacements than they.
Let their tongues wag like "quivering virgins" (thanks CHUCK) all the
while.
They'll never catch you!
Hike on!
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Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net
<mailto:reinholdmetzger at cox.net>> wrote:
Brick, it is not "CABIN FEVER"....it is "BARN FEVER"!!!!
Barn Fever breaks out every year, about this time of the year, when the
"HERD" is getting nervous and anxious to break out of the barn and
stampede down the trail toward "HIKER HEAVEN".
Hey,....I may be controversial, but only with the guys, never with the
girls.
The girls have no problem with me...they seem to like me and are always
chasing me on the trail.
As a matter of fact, that is how I got to be a "SPEED
HIKER"...trying to
prevent from being captured by "On The Trail To Long Hiker Babes"
So far I have managed to outrun them.
But, as I'm getting older, I'm afraid that sooner or later they will
catch me and have their way with me.
And yes,....I have my opponents and proponents, but did you ever notice
that my opponents are usually the guys and the girls are always my
proponents?
That seems to aggravate the guys and makes them mad at me.
But hey,....it's not my fault that I'm good looking and the girls like
me.....is it?
BTW.....What's dirty about...."Chickens on a leash"...."Ten good uses
for dead hiker husbands"...."Ten reason why men are happier campers than
women"...."The adventures of Peaches and Grumpy" and the "Switchback
after action reports"?
IT'S CLEAN TRAIL HUMOR.....that is what it is.
Like I said the guys, not the girls, are my opponents.....you are a
guy, "AREN'T" you Brick?....Just wondering, that's all.
He,he,he,he.....I just had to sneak that one in.
JMT Reinhold
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Brick wrote:
It seems cabin fever has kicked in again.....
Please remember that all posts to the list need to be polite, and on
topic.
I know that dogs, alcohol stoves, guns and Reinhold are all
controversial topics, all with their opponents and
proponents.................................................
HOWEVER, browbeating folks is simply not polite. The choices each hiker
makes are his own, whether to hike in shoes, boots, or barefoot, with or
without a dog, to tote a 20mm Vulcan mini-gun, whether to follow the
rules and risk the potential consequences. ..... or even to exchange
dirty jokes on the trail with Reinhold and Switchback
(horrors!).............
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:16:17 -0800
From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
Subject: [pct-l] Trail Etiquette Top Ten for a Rookie
To: pct-l at backcountry.net, mcrkdr at yahoo.com, "Hiker97 at aol.com"
<Hiker97 at aol.com>, Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
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Diane,
If you follow the following rules you will be meet all the basic
trail etiquette.
Be nice to Switchback& Reinhold.
Respect your elder.
Do not get mad at Switchback if he raids and plunders you in the
middle of the night...it's not his fault...he can't help it.
Accept Yoshi's offer to share a cup of coffee on the trail.
Be nice to dogs on the trail.
If you meet a "Heavy Trucker" on the trail, struggling under his
heavy load, offer to carry some of his gear.
And yes, share your Snickers bars with Switchback& Reinhold and
comfort them when they are in distress.
JMT Reinhold
Your Etiquette Counselor
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Diane wrote:
Hi Everyone,
My name is Diane and I will be going on my first thru-hike this April.
I am greatly blessed to be hiking with 2 Triple Crown hikers.
I have been reading all the informative and very amusing posts and would
like to learn more on basic trail etiquette.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Kind Regards,
Diane (no trail name yet)
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:07:45 -0800
From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCT Thur Hike
To: hiker97 at aol.com
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Yes,
Switchback,....the "Hard-Core" hiker....turned "Hard-Core" biker.
Say, will long suffering Mrs. Switchback accompany you on this mind
boggling journey?
If the answer is YES, may I suggest you do this on one of those
"German World War II Military Sidewinders"?
You know, the 3 wheel motorcycle with the sidecar attached to one side.
Mrs. Switchback would be much more comfortable in the sidecar than
hanging on to you on the back seat.
May I further suggest that for your and Mrs. Switchback's protection you
both wear the "German Military World War II Spiked Helmets" and the
Field Marshall Rommel goggles?
You and Mrs. Switchback will look so Cooool.
But hey,.....you have to live up to that that "Hard-Core" hiker
reputation.
BTW....Bikers have a tendency to use their helmets to sit on....may I
suggest you not do that?
JMT Reinhold
Your envious trail companion
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Switchback wrote:
> Say, I would just like to mention that when I do my big PCT thru hike,
> it will not be the weak and timid variety or a simple yo-yo. The PCT
> from south to north stops at the Canadian border. This is really sad
> and much too short. I am planning on going on to Deadhorse Alaska on
> the North Slope. This is a much more acceptable hike. In other
> words, you hike until you run out of land at the Arctic Ocean. I also
> plan to recon the route by the Alcan Highway and the Haul Road out of
> Fairbanks. I will do this on my motorcycle trike and pop up Mini Mate
> camper. No problem. The PCT should go on up to the far north to
> separate the boys/girls from the men/women.
> Your obedient servant,
> Switchback the Trail Pirate
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:34:36 -0800
From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Park rangers
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 4:42 PM, CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net> wrote:
> While it?s true that wilderness rangers are part of the law enforcement
> fraternity, some local and state officers I know refer to them as ?chipmunk
> cops?.
It was my experience that the Wilderness rangers tended to be the
types with Forestry degrees from Humbolt State who really resented
having to carry a heavy gun in their packs.
The LEO rangers in The Valley tended to be former Marine MPs
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:38:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Greg Hummel <bighummel at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Angel
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Hear! Hear! JoAnn and her husband, Emory, are two of THE nicest people. They go out of their way to help and have a wonderful home with a breathtaking view of Mt Shasta from their back yard. Oh, and I completely agree with JoAnn, this list is not the place for fowl language. If you can't keep it clean here, you've been in your cabin too long. Treat people kindly and you're likely to get the same back.
Subject: [pct-l] Trail Angel
To: <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
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It?s the time of year I advise that there is at least some help here in northern
CA. I live in Lake Shasta which is about 17 north of Mt. Shasta. I can access
the PCT at Castle Crags; Scott Mt. Summit; Seiad Valley and occasionally
Callahan?s. My husband and I are always willing to help primarily section hikers
who need to be taken to/from a TH . . .
Greg Hummel
?Sometimes, I guess there just aren't enough rocks in the world?
? Forest Gump
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:49:46 -0800
From: "T.Rem" <toddremy at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trail Angel
To: Greg Hummel <bighummel at aol.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Uh Oh, I had to go and mess with a Trail Angel. Like I said, I had
serious doubts about the wisdom of putting in my two-cents on the matter.
Did I say my name was Todd? I meant Bob... Bob Smith. As in, Bob "Never
Uses Bad Language" Smith. :)
I typically don't talk about birds, poultry, or fowl of any other kind
either...
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Greg Hummel <bighummel at aol.com> wrote:
> Hear! Hear! JoAnn and her husband, Emory, are two of THE nicest people.
> They go out of their way to help and have a wonderful home with a
> breathtaking view of Mt Shasta from their back yard. Oh, and I completely
> agree with JoAnn, this list is not the place for fowl language. If you
> can't keep it clean here, you've been in your cabin too long. Treat people
> kindly and you're likely to get the same back.
>
>
> Subject: [pct-l] Trail Angel
> To: <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <E1C6A0A4E81F4C379B2079A9DED7E760 at JoAnnPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> It?s the time of year I advise that there is at least some help here in
> northern
> CA. I live in Lake Shasta which is about 17 north of Mt. Shasta. I can
> access
> the PCT at Castle Crags; Scott Mt. Summit; Seiad Valley and occasionally
> Callahan?s. My husband and I are always willing to help primarily section
> hikers
> who need to be taken to/from a TH . . .
>
>
>
> Greg Hummel
>
>
>
> "Sometimes, I guess there just aren't enough rocks in the world"
> -- Forest
> Gump
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:10:09 -0800
From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Protein shakes as trail food?
To: James Vesely <JVesely at edmsupply.com>
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Fantastic article. Thanks for sharing the link. I've only had time to
read a couple of sections, but what I read was great information.
Shroomer
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:01 AM, James Vesely <JVesely at edmsupply.com>wrote:
> http://thru-hiker.com/articles/pack_light_eat_right.php
>
> Someone else posted this but I have read it years ago and it is a really
> good article on hiking nutrition. If you want a light weight high in
> calories diet I suggest you read it, protein is not the answer.
>
> Jim
>
>
> One note of caution for using protein shakes - they are hard on the
> kidneys
> over time. So, if you are using bleach or iodine to purify water (also
> hard on kidneys) in addition to protein shakes be careful. It probably
> won't be too harmful if you have two health kidneys and drink lots of
> water, but if you have any kidney problems or only have one it might not
> be
> a good idea. I only use pump water purifiers and never drink protein
> shakes. Of course I'm not a doctor, so this isn't medical advice.
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Shian Sung <shian.sung at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Protein shakes make great trail food! I went a step further and
> > combined some carbs and caffeine with that.
> >
> > For almost all of Oregon and Washington, I would wake up and combine
> > the following in a Gatorade bottle:
> >
> > 2 packets brown sugar oatmeal
> > 2 tblsp instant coffee
> > 2 tblsp vanilla protein powder
> >
> > Fill to the top with water (I used cold water), shake it up real good
> > and you've got yourself a great morning shake!
> >
> > It looks disgusting (and the texture/consistency takes a little
> > getting used to) but it's a great on-the-go meal :)
> >
> > -Shian
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:25:18 -0800
From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] A boot tale and acceptable language
To: "T.Rem" <toddremy at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Well, knowing Jackass and loving his writing and intellect in general, it
just wouldn't be right without all those four letter words. As an "old
vet" who is getting more grizzled by the day, and spent a career working
with felons, those words have been a part of my life for a long time. I
certainly try to contain them in church or around folks I know might not
appreciate them, but when reading something from Jackass, it's just part of
the flavor of a wonderful guy whose got some great stories to tell. But
beware, he might say something even worse than those four letter words.
It's usually something really pithy and worth wading through the rough to
hear, however.
Anybody who calls a visit to City Lights Books a pilgrimage is good by me.
Shroomer
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:51 AM, T.Rem <toddremy at gmail.com> wrote:
> "All about perspective..." Indeed, indeed. No argument with that from me!
> Sounds like you are doing some good work, thanks Jeff.
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu> wrote:
>
> > Gotcha! I teach social work at a tribal college and one of the things
> we
> > always move through is swearing. Most people swear, and do it without
> > really thinking about why. I teach its a socially approved way/norm to
> > inflict personal suffering on another person. Grizzled vets - to be sure
> > it's totally normal. In my world though, they're still inflicting pain
> on
> > each other. Just a thought - not "T"ruth. It's all about perspective...
> >
> > Jeff.
> >
> > On 2/27/2012 12:43 PM, T.Rem wrote:
> >
> > A good point also, Jeffrey, thanks. I guess after spending years in the
> > military and now around a bunch of grizzled old vets at a VA hospital I
> > concede that my reality includes a good deal more cussing then you might
> > find in other areas of society.
> > However, a lot of those cussing, spitting, cantankerous old vets have
> > earned their right to cuss as far as I'm concerned and I wouldn't want it
> > any other way :)
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Jeffrey Olson <jolson at olc.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Todd:
> >>
> >> I see your point and won't argue. I do what you suggest and have filter
> >> three or four guy's posts into the trash folder. However, a
> philosophical
> >> point - my reality doesn't include swearing, and it's pretty real! LOL
> >>
> >> Just a thought in passing...
> >>
> >> Go well and thrive!!!
> >>
> >> Jeff.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/27/2012 12:26 PM, T.Rem wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi there,
> >>>
> >>> I really don't wish to start another flame-war, in fact I have serious
> >>>> doubts concerning the wisdom of putting in my two-cents, but could
> there
> >>>> possibly be an alternative course of action, JoAnn? I suggest that
> >>>> perhaps
> >>>> you could stop reading his posts, now that you know that they may
> >>>> contain
> >>>> things you don't approve of, and let the rest of us decide for
> >>>> ourselves if
> >>>> we find the language offensive or not?
> >>>>
> >>>> While I understand that the language is not for everyone, I for one
> >>>> found
> >>>> the story entertaining and fun partly because it contained language
> and
> >>>> dialogue that one would find in reality.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:17 AM, JoAnn<jomike at cot.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> It's so fuckin big
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At this point I stopped reading your tale. Clean up your act or
> please
> >>>>> do
> >>>>> not post.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> are we there yet
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:45:41 -0800
From: Georgi Heitman <bobbnweav at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] A great boot and beer story
To: janettestorer at yahoo.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
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Janette et al,
You're right a really funny story, made even better when I remember that
all three of the principal 'characters' came thru the Hideaway.... Never
saw a Snake tho...maybe his feet failed him. ;-)
Thank you, Jackass, Molasses and Yogi Beer....for the memories.
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:49:20 -0800
From: Georgi Heitman <bobbnweav at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] illegal copies of ANYthing, oh, and YOGI
To: littleleum at yahoo.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
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O.K....I've been letting this sit for the last 24 hours to be sure I really
wanted to sent it, just did a re-read and I'm still mad, so here it goes.
An Open Letter to Lenny the Little:
Lenny,
Anyone who has read this list or hiked the trail at all, also knows exactly
who Yogi is, and I for one would suspect it might best that you don't be
forgettin' all that's been written here since you posted, 'Don't forget who
you are, Yogi'. Since you obviously don't know who Yogi is, I'll tell
you. This is the woman who has taken some notes that she really only
intended to make for one friend one time and, because she was asked to,
refined those notes, re re-searched her research and for several years,
operated at a loss in order to provide the most comprehensive and
up-to-date guide available on the PCT. Anything else out there was at
that time openly called 'The Book of Lies'. Be aware that her friends on
this trail are legion, she and her right to copyright will be defended
again and again from Mexico to Canada, whether she makes a profit or not,
if for no other reason than that we can remember when she didn't and she
still kept on researching, revising and reprinting because she knew it made
a difference in the hiker community. An apology to her would be a smart
move about now if you want to hike this trail in peace .
I've tried for years not to blast any one specific person or topic here, my
biggest failure being alcohol stoves, but in this case I think I'm willing
to state that not only are you just plain WRONG, but that I've come to
notice your email address and I will agree with you on one thing, in my
mind you are indeed 'little'...a very little individual indeed, both small
and small-minded. Here is where I would normally close with something like
'happy trails', but in this case I'll make an exception, it would be more
apropos to say ' while I like to think I'm the forgiving type I can't be
sure, so you might want to stay out of my way'.
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:14:44 -0800
From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] illegal copies of ANYthing, oh, and YOGI
To: "'Georgi Heitman'" <bobbnweav at gmail.com>, <littleleum at yahoo.com>,
<pct-l at backcountry.net>
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And thus endeth the reading of the scriptures!
-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of Georgi Heitman
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 2:49 PM
To: littleleum at yahoo.com; pct-l at backcountry.net
Subject: [pct-l] illegal copies of ANYthing, oh, and YOGI
O.K....I've been letting this sit for the last 24 hours to be sure I really
wanted to sent it, just did a re-read and I'm still mad, so here it goes.
An Open Letter to Lenny the Little:
Lenny,
Anyone who has read this list or hiked the trail at all, also knows exactly
who Yogi is, and I for one would suspect it might best that you don't be
forgettin' all that's been written here since you posted, 'Don't forget who
you are, Yogi'. Since you obviously don't know who Yogi is, I'll tell you.
This is the woman who has taken some notes that she really only intended to
make for one friend one time and, because she was asked to, refined those
notes, re re-searched her research and for several years, operated at a loss
in order to provide the most comprehensive and
up-to-date guide available on the PCT. Anything else out there was at
that time openly called 'The Book of Lies'. Be aware that her friends on
this trail are legion, she and her right to copyright will be defended again
and again from Mexico to Canada, whether she makes a profit or not, if for
no other reason than that we can remember when she didn't and she still kept
on researching, revising and reprinting because she knew it made a
difference in the hiker community. An apology to her would be a smart move
about now if you want to hike this trail in peace .
I've tried for years not to blast any one specific person or topic here, my
biggest failure being alcohol stoves, but in this case I think I'm willing
to state that not only are you just plain WRONG, but that I've come to
notice your email address and I will agree with you on one thing, in my mind
you are indeed 'little'...a very little individual indeed, both small and
small-minded. Here is where I would normally close with something like
'happy trails', but in this case I'll make an exception, it would be more
apropos to say ' while I like to think I'm the forgiving type I can't be
sure, so you might want to stay out of my way'.
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:30:56 -0800
From: Chris Caviezel <nordic.chris at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] PCT Film Night in Bellevue and Seattle
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Six Million Steps will be shown in Bellevue, WA on March 9th and in
Seattle, WA on March 16th.
For additional info, please visit:
http://www.foothillsmountaineers.org/hiking/pct-film-night.html
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:35:59 -0800
From: Suzi Swinehart <suz_quz at hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Park rangers
To: <steeleye at wildblue.net>, PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Message-ID: <BAY167-W1334F9E896E1DBEEBF8210F926E0 at phx.gbl>
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Uh-oh...should I be afraid?
-Chipmunk
---------------------
> Good evening,
>
> While it?s true that wilderness rangers are part of the law enforcement
> fraternity, some local and state officers I know refer to them as
> ?chipmunk
cops?.
>
> Steel-Eye
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:54:44 -0800
From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Poodle bush
To: aslive at charter.net
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Whew! That would have been horrible. I'm so lucky I never touched it
either. I was so fasciinated by how beautiful they were and I
remember sniffing to see if they were fragrant and walking up to the
prettiest ones to take a picture. It's a wonder I didn't touch any.
Diane
On Feb 27, 2012, at 9:47 AM, aslive at charter.net wrote:
> Diane
>
> Thanks for the picture of Poodle brush. I live in the mountains
> and have been tempted to transplant some of this to my yard. It
> was only my personal belief that one should not take from the
> forest that kept me from experiencing the blistering and itching
> that I would have well disserved had I tried to transplant it.
>
> Shepherd
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes
> wrote:
>
>> I have a picture. This was near Hikertown and was in full bloom.
>> The flowers make you want to get close to them, but don't. Pay
>> attention to the leaves although I didn't get very many in the
>> shot. It sort of looks like yerba santa, which is also common on
>> the trail. Easy to find pictures online.
>> http://tinyurl.com/7zd7g8t
>>
>>
>> On Feb 25, 2012, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>>
>>> Just a reminder that there are huge amiunts of poodle bush in
>>> the area of the Station Fire in the San Gabriels. This is a
>>> plant whose seeds germinate after a fire. They can be up to 5
>>> or 6 feet in height, green drooping leaves, purple flowers (I
>>> think flowerring might be over). They can cause reactions such
>>> as the blistering and itching one gets from poison oak, which
>>> can last up to 2 weeks. Not sure if there is an oil involved,
>>> but I think they have tiny hairs. I was up there this past w/e
>>> and it was growing very close beside a lot of the trail, and in
>>> some cases the trail is very narrow indeed. I'll try and find a
>>> link to pics.
>>>
>>> Boomerang
>>
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:57:40 -0800
From: Suzi Swinehart <suz_quz at hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] a pot for two and newbie questions
To: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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I can think of another exception: parent-child partnerships. While it's possible that one might become injured and get off trail, it's not likely that they're going to just "split up" the way that most trail partnerships can...even the romantic ones. Balls never would have taken a step without Sunshine, and neither my dad nor I would ever leave the other behind. :)
-Chipmunk
>> Very often hiking partners separate: Maybe sooner, maybe
>> later, maybe temporarily, maybe forever, but usually
>> while remaining friends. In the event of separation
>> what's to be done about shared gear?
> I agree with this completely, with perhaps one exception,
> and that being a committed romantic couple. That being
> said, I have seen the trail bring couples together in a
> bond incredible close, and I have seen the trail destroy
> romantic relationships. It is really a "trial by fire."
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:05:28 -0800
From: Suzi Swinehart <suz_quz at hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Poodle bush
To: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Oh Shepherd, that made me laugh! It would be like an Oregonian transplanting poison oak to their yard for the pretty, shiny red leaves :) I don't know poodle bush personally but have heard enough horror stories about it. I'm so glad your wilderness ethics worked out in your favor - now that is good karma!
- Chipmunk, who after quietly stalking the list for about the past year has now posted THREE TIMES in one day! Woooo! Must be getting close to hiking season...
> Diane
> Thanks for the picture of Poodle brush. I live in
> the mountains and have been tempted to transplant
> some of this to my yard. It was only my personal
> belief that one should not take from the forest
> that kept me from experiencing the blistering and
> itching that I would have well disserved had I
> tried to transplant it.
> Shepherd
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:07:09 -0800
From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Service Dogs
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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I met a guy at Mt. Laguna with a service dog. The dog apparently had
the ability to sense when the man's illness would have a flare-up
thus giving him time to take some medication to prevent it. I don't
remember what he said the illness was. I don't think this gentleman
made it as far as Washington.
On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:21 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> Been watching this thread about Service Animals. I only have a
> question.
> If you have the ability to hike 2,650 miles with lots of major
> obstacles
> why would you need a Service Animal to accompany you ? I know I
> don't have
> the knowledge of all the areas Service Animals are used
> for..........but it
> seems to be an oxymoron. The hikers who make it all the way up
> here are in
> extremely good physical shape. Aren't Service Animals used by folks
> who may
> be in need of medical assistance ??
>
> I am NOT downing anyone's needs for their partner. Just curious
> what the
> need is. You can email me off line if you like. I'm not looking for
> a fired
> up discussion.....just an education.
>
> andrea (at) dinsmoreshikerhaven (dot) com
>
> PCT MOM
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:09:56 -0800
From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Food ideas!
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Dicentra to the rescue!
http://onepanwonders.com
On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:21 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
> Hi All!
> This forum rocks- thanks everyone for all the great info and
> advice!? This
> topic has probably been beat to death a million times so sorry
> 'bout that.
> How do I search the archives?
>
> Anyway, I've about run out of meal ideas while trying to keep my menu
> some-what fresh and varied so I'm looking for suggestions??
> Specifically
> lunch-type food, obviously high calorie and light yet also cheap??
> Thanks!
>
> Todd
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:19:32 -0800
From: Douglas Tow <douglastow at gmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Your hike from VVR to Ebbetts Pass
To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Good afternoon!
If you have personally hiked the PCT from VVR to Ebbetts Pass, and can
remember the number of days it took you to go that distance (including
zeros and diversions), please let me know, if you don't mind sharing onlist
or off. Part of my strategy in setting up trail magic at Ebbetts Pass
again this summer is to follow journals, and to inquire of the nice folks
at VVR what the thru-traffic has been. That way, I can be sure to choose
my time up there when I will see a good number of hikers, and have enough
supplies to avoid having to shorten my stay.
I already know the mileage, and can do my own speculating about how long it
might take, so real information from past hikers is what I can use best.
Thanks,
Doug
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 20:24:32 -0500
From: Paul Bodnar <paulbodnar at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Your hike from VVR to Ebbetts Pass
To: <douglastow at gmail.com>, pct-L backcountry.net
<pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Here is a link to a pdf that shows the typical migration of the the PCT thru-hiker.
http://hikethru.com/about-the-pct/pct-hiker-migration/2010%20PCT%20Migration.pdf
For more detail of how I conducted the study you can go to the link below.
http://hikethru.com/about-the-pct/pct-hiker-migration
Paul
Hikethru.com
> Good afternoon!
>
> If you have personally hiked the PCT from VVR to Ebbetts Pass, and can
> remember the number of days it took you to go that distance (including
> zeros and diversions), please let me know, if you don't mind sharing onlist
> or off. Part of my strategy in setting up trail magic at Ebbetts Pass
> again this summer is to follow journals, and to inquire of the nice folks
> at VVR what the thru-traffic has been. That way, I can be sure to choose
> my time up there when I will see a good number of hikers, and have enough
> supplies to avoid having to shorten my stay.
>
> I already know the mileage, and can do my own speculating about how long it
> might take, so real information from past hikers is what I can use best.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Doug
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:38:51 -0800
From: "jamesfmiller at hotmail.com" <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>
Subject: [pct-l] Long term parking at Old Station
To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
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Dona and I plan to hike from Kennedy Meadows to Old Station as our section
hike this year.
The plan is to drive to Kennedy and at some point a friend will get our car
there and move it to Old Station where we would claim it.
Is there a place in Old Station to leave a car for several weeks?
After we get home to Seattle we will be leading PCT trail projects for the
North 350 Blades until the snow flies.
Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:39:07 -0800
From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Your hike from VVR to Ebbetts Pass
To: Douglas Tow <douglastow at gmail.com>
Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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Good evening, Doug,
I departed VVR 9 June after taking the afternoon boat
http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=189006 , and I camped 4 miles
past Ebbetts Pass the evening of 17 June
http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=190283
Steel-Eye
-Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09/
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Douglas Tow <douglastow at gmail.com> wrote:
> Good afternoon!
>
> If you have personally hiked the PCT from VVR to Ebbetts Pass, and can
> remember the number of days it took you to go that distance (including
> zeros and diversions), please let me know, if you don't mind sharing onlist
> or off. Part of my strategy in setting up trail magic at Ebbetts Pass
> again this summer is to follow journals, and to inquire of the nice folks
> at VVR what the thru-traffic has been. That way, I can be sure to choose
> my time up there when I will see a good number of hikers, and have enough
> supplies to avoid having to shorten my stay.
>
> I already know the mileage, and can do my own speculating about how long it
> might take, so real information from past hikers is what I can use best.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Doug
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:42:33 -0500
From: sabra985 <sabra985 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] acceptable language...a side story
To: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>, pct-l
<pct-l at backcountry.net>
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One of my favorite moments on the trail last year (and perhaps...you had to
be there):
I do my best to be kind and respectful to the people I meet along the trail
(and off it, too), whether they are day hikers, thru-hikers, trail
angels...etc., assuming, of course, that they treat me with the same.
I remember being in Mojave, on the balcony of the motel. Looking down, I
waved at the hiker below me on the lawn and said without a trace of the
sarcasm you might expect in the off-trail world, "Good morning, Jackass!"
It's not a sentence one would usually say so pleasantly :)
~evenstar
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, knowing Jackass and loving his writing and intellect in general, it
> just wouldn't be right without all those four letter words. As an "old
> vet" who is getting more grizzled by the day, and spent a career working
> with felons, those words have been a part of my life for a long time. I
> certainly try to contain them in church or around folks I know might not
> appreciate them, but when reading something from Jackass, it's just part of
> the flavor of a wonderful guy whose got some great stories to tell. But
> beware, he might say something even worse than those four letter words.
> It's usually something really pithy and worth wading through the rough to
> hear, however.
>
> Anybody who calls a visit to City Lights Books a pilgrimage is good by me.
>
> Shroomer
>
>
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 20:56:11 -0800
From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Service Dogs
To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>,
Pacific Crest Trail List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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While doing my volunteer rove here in Redwood parks, I met a family with a
well-behaved dogs. I started to remind them of the no-dogs rule and I
corrected myself and apologized. They said their dog detected signs of
their daughter haveing seizure before any of them was aware and so the
daughter could take appropriated meds. A well justified exception to the
general rule.
Then there are others with dogs who should loose their dogs and pay a hefty
fine. My 2?.
Tortoise
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable
President John F Kennedy, 1962
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On 2012.02.27 17:07, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes wrote:
> I met a guy at Mt. Laguna with a service dog. The dog apparently had
> the ability to sense when the man's illness would have a flare-up
> thus giving him time to take some medication to prevent it. I don't
> remember what he said the illness was. I don't think this gentleman
> made it as far as Washington.
>
> On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:21 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>
>> Been watching this thread about Service Animals. I only have a
>> question.
>> If you have the ability to hike 2,650 miles with lots of major
>> obstacles
>> why would you need a Service Animal to accompany you ? I know I
>> don't have
>> the knowledge of all the areas Service Animals are used
>> for..........but it
>> seems to be an oxymoron. The hikers who make it all the way up
>> here are in
>> extremely good physical shape. Aren't Service Animals used by folks
>> who may
>> be in need of medical assistance ??
>>
>> I am NOT downing anyone's needs for their partner. Just curious
>> what the
>> need is. You can email me off line if you like. I'm not looking for
>> a fired
>> up discussion.....just an education.
>>
>> andrea (at) dinsmoreshikerhaven (dot) com
>>
>> PCT MOM
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 09:19:48 -0800
From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
Subject: [pct-l] San Diego PCT gets lots of snow
To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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Up to a foot in Mt Laguna, with snow all the way down to Buckman
Springs (where the PCT passes under the freeway bridges just north of
Lake Morena)
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/feb/28/storm-drops-9-inches-snow-mountains/
Mt Laguna webcam http://hpwren.ucsd.edu/cameras/MtLaguna.html
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