[pct-l] Post Offices
Sam Griffin
samgriffin4 at gmail.com
Mon Nov 28 12:37:19 CST 2011
Amiratti's in Castella definitely holds packages, I sent mine there. Or you
could just hitch into Mt. Shasta, which is a really cool town (or do both,
like me!). Spent a day here with a group of hikers. I wouldn't worry about
Old Station, most of the people I hiked with didn't have boxes here, and
the one that did left without it (had it forwarded, PO there has funky
hours). Send it to Drakesbad or just hitch in to Burney. Despite all the
nay saying about the hitch into that town, it's really not bad. Got a ride
in minutes (all of us did, 7+ hikers going in pairs). As far as Stehekin
goes, if the PO closes hikers are going to have to start taking the ferry
into Chelan, which could be a cool adventure anyhow. So there will still be
supplies to be had, no one will be screwed, and thus no one should be
freaking out.
--Rattler
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> 1. Yesterdays snow depth vs 1 year ago (Scott)
> 2. Re: ED compensation (Andy Johnson)
> 3. Re: ED compensation (Charles Doersch)
> 4. Re: ED compensation (Charles Williams)
> 5. Re: Yesterdays snow depth vs 1 year ago (Scott Williams)
> 6. History of Backpacking (Reinhold Metzger)
> 7. Re: PCTA Leadership (hiker97 at aol.com)
> 8. Re: Hiker Trash Thanks (hiker97 at aol.com)
> 9. Re: Post Offices (Cosmic Cat)
> 10. HEY shroomer (John Casterline)
> 11. Re: some stats on a few trail non-profits (Dennis Phelan)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:13:06 -0800
> From: Scott <public at postholer.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Yesterdays snow depth vs 1 year ago
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Here's the snow depth for yesterday:
> http://postholer.com/gmap/gmap.php?trail_id=1&depth=20111126
>
> ...and 1 year ago yesterday:
> http://postholer.com/gmap/gmap.php?trail_id=1&depth=20101126
>
> -postholer
>
> --
> www.postholer.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:24:49 -0800
> From: "Andy Johnson" <andyj92 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ED compensation
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <F7703E6537814F91BE2CDC5C929F7CC1 at MARGIE>
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>
> I think people should look at the value for money vs price alone.
>
> Nobody complains about executive compensation of gear makers or their
> distributers.
> Nobody complains about compensation of rangers and SAR people who come out
> to save those in trouble.
>
> Look at the discussions about weight and best gear for the trail.
> NONE of the lightweight and good stuff is cheap. Yet, somehow the money is
> found to pay for saving 10 lbs on every step.
> Look at the prices paid and money wasted for the food and stuff donated
> along the trail.
> You bought it. You didn't use it. You threw it away. Others came along and
> said a silent "Thank You".
>
> What value do you get from the association-? Is it worth what -you- are
> paying-?
> What changes would you suggest-?
>
> When you complain about something add a suggestion on how to improve it.
> Anyone can complain with scant facts and moral outrage. Get the facts and
> learn more.
> Then complain and offer a corrective idea.
> Your statements will carry much more weight and you will be given more
> attention.
>
> If you ran the association what would you do differently-?
>
> Personally, I like what they do and how they do it.
> They have taken a very complex situation and made it simple and easy to
> transit.
> They have negotiated the rules and rights and protections so that everyone
> knows what is expected of them.
> The Rangers do not have to deal with many different people all asking the
> same questions and arguing about it.
> We all know where we need bear cannisters, where to find info on everything
> we'll need...almost.
> And what conditions are likely to be up the trail ahead of us.
>
> That is a lot of work for the peanuts we pay as members.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:46:42 -0700
> From: Charles Doersch <charles.doersch at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ED compensation
> To: Andy Johnson <andyj92 at aol.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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>
> Andy, that's a cool way of thinking about it. I'd never thought of it that
> way before.
>
> For my part, I'm ready to renew with the PCTA, and gladly.
>
> I did a heap of research -- comparing non-profit sector executive
> compensation, with an eye to gross revenue and assets, and keeping the
> comparison in "like enterprises" (organizations with a similar mission to
> the PCTA). I also compared the Form 990s of all of the organizations that
> showed up on the like enterprises list (Appalachian Trail Conservancy,
> EcoLogic Development Fund, Grand Canyon Trust, Island Institute (Maine),
> and others).
>
> No question that the PCTA has some financial challenges -- and needs more
> money. But executive compensation is not the problem. That pay is
> comparable to the pay of comparable non-profit organizations. In some
> important ways, we get more for the dollars we donate than do other
> organizations. It is a complex picture, of course -- and one or two of the
> board's financial decisions I wonder about. But that's always the case in
> any organization.
>
> All in all, three cheers for the PCTA.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Andy Johnson <andyj92 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > I think people should look at the value for money vs price alone.
> >
> > Nobody complains about executive compensation of gear makers or their
> > distributers.
> > Nobody complains about compensation of rangers and SAR people who come
> out
> > to save those in trouble.
> >
> > Look at the discussions about weight and best gear for the trail.
> > NONE of the lightweight and good stuff is cheap. Yet, somehow the money
> is
> > found to pay for saving 10 lbs on every step.
> > Look at the prices paid and money wasted for the food and stuff donated
> > along the trail.
> > You bought it. You didn't use it. You threw it away. Others came along
> and
> > said a silent "Thank You".
> >
> > What value do you get from the association-? Is it worth what -you- are
> > paying-?
> > What changes would you suggest-?
> >
> > When you complain about something add a suggestion on how to improve it.
> > Anyone can complain with scant facts and moral outrage. Get the facts and
> > learn more.
> > Then complain and offer a corrective idea.
> > Your statements will carry much more weight and you will be given more
> > attention.
> >
> > If you ran the association what would you do differently-?
> >
> > Personally, I like what they do and how they do it.
> > They have taken a very complex situation and made it simple and easy to
> > transit.
> > They have negotiated the rules and rights and protections so that
> everyone
> > knows what is expected of them.
> > The Rangers do not have to deal with many different people all asking the
> > same questions and arguing about it.
> > We all know where we need bear cannisters, where to find info on
> everything
> > we'll need...almost.
> > And what conditions are likely to be up the trail ahead of us.
> >
> > That is a lot of work for the peanuts we pay as members.
> >
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:20:37 -0800 (PST)
> From: Charles Williams <charlesnolie at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] ED compensation
> To: Andy Johnson <andyj92 at aol.com>, Charles Doersch
> <charles.doersch at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>
> So, in short, we should all jump at the chance to renew our memberships,
> even early if we can.
> ?
> But as the inspired, we can do more...call and email all our hiking
> friends and convince them the PCTA needs?their?help to complete their
> mission: to protect, preserve, and promote the Pacific Crest Trail!
> ?
> How can we set foot on the trail (for those of us that do) and not
> appreciate the volunteerism that the PCTA coordinates?
> ?
> my two cents...
> Charles Williams
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:41:53 -0800
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Yesterdays snow depth vs 1 year ago
> To: Scott <public at postholer.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>
> Wow! That's dramatic. It's still early, but maybe we'll just have a
> normal year this year. At least I can hope.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shroomer
>
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Scott <public at postholer.com> wrote:
>
> > Here's the snow depth for yesterday:
> > http://postholer.com/gmap/gmap.php?trail_id=1&depth=20111126
> >
> > ...and 1 year ago yesterday:
> > http://postholer.com/gmap/gmap.php?trail_id=1&depth=20101126
> >
> > -postholer
> >
> > --
> > www.postholer.com
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 02:32:46 -0800
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] History of Backpacking
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>, "Hiker97 at aol.com" <Hiker97 at aol.com>,
> Deems <losthiker at sisqtel.net>, MONTE DODGE <montedodge at msn.com>,
> scott williamson <duckface99 at gmail.com>, Acu4harmony at aol.com
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> To my hiking buddies, those who like history and those who don't know
> much about history.
> Here is a condensed version (a refresher course for some) on the
> history of backpacking.
>
> Before addressing the history of backpacking one must first address the
> history of man, to see the parallels.
>
> Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic
> hunters/gatherers.
> They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to
> the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.
>
> The two most important events in all of history were the invention of
> beer and the invention of the wheel.
> The wheel was invented to get man to the beer.
> These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the
> catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:
> 1. Liberals
> 2. Conservatives
>
> Once beer was invented it required grain and that was the beginning of
> agriculture.
> Neither the glass bottle or aluminum can were invented yet.
> So while early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be
> invented they just stayed close to the brewery.......that's how villages
> were formed.
>
> Some men spend their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at night
> while they were drinking beer.
> This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement.
>
> Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live of
> the conservatives by showing up for the nightly BBQ's and doing the
> sewing, fetching, and hair dressing.
> This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.
>
> Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women and became known
> as girlie-men.
> Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats,
> the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of
> democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that the
> conservatives provided.
>
> Over the years conservatives became to be symbolized by the largest,
> most powerful land animal, on earth....the elephant.
> Liberals are symbolized by the jackass for obvious reasons.
>
> Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer
> white wine or imported bottled water.
> They eat raw fish and like their beef well done.
> Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare.
> Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have
> higher testosterone levels than their men.
> Most social workers, personal attorneys, journalists, dreamers in
> Hollywood and group therapists are liberals.
> Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to
> make the pitcher also bat.
>
> Conservatives drink domestic beer, mostly Bud or Miller.
> They ear red meat and still provide for their women.
> Conservatives are big game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks,
> construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers,
> engineers, corporate executives, athletes, members of the military,
> airline pilots and generally anyone who works productively.
> Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to
> work for a living.
>
> Liberals produce little or nothing....they like to govern the producers
> and decide what to do with the production.
> Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans.
> That is why most the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were
> coming to America.
> They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of
> trying to get more for nothing.
>
> Early backpackers were robust hardcore men like Switchback and Reinhold
> that ventured into the wilderness with everything they needed, to
> survive anything Mother Nature would throw at them, carried in big wood
> or metal frame backpacks.
> Then, similar to the American settlement, after the wilderness was tamed
> by the likes of Switchback and Reinhold, the liberals crept in.
> The liberals thought it was not fair that only hardcore Mountain Men
> like Switchback and Reinhold should be able to venture into the
> wilderness because the weaker, less robust could not carry such heavy
> packs.
> They thought it was not fair for the weaker, less robust to have to
> carry such heavy packs.
> That was the beginning of the "UL (ultra light) Revolution".
> Also, unlike the conservative hikers who eat things with "horse power"
> like Beef Stroganoff, Beef Steak and Noodles, Lasagna with Meat Sauce,
> etc,....the liberals tend to eat things like Tofu, Sushi, Humus and like
> to filter their water......they say it is more civilized.
> They also think that their way of hiking is the correct and civilized
> way and and like to criticize the conservatives way of hiking.
>
> And there you have it folks...."The History of Backpacking" as seen
> through the eyes of JMT Reinhold.
>
> It should be noted that a liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily
> respond to the above.
>
> A conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute
> truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other
> true believers and to more liberals just to tick them off.
>
> I think I will now sign off and retreat to the safety of my "Lurker
> Bunker" for I hear the distant thunder of the
> "Heavy Artillery", aimed at me by those that don't believe in the
> absolute truth of this history lesson.
>
> Hope to see you all on the trail someday.
>
> JMT Reinhold
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:33:01 -0500 (EST)
> From: hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] PCTA Leadership
> To: reinholdmetzger at cox.net
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, MThiel at marcusmillichap.com
> Message-ID: <8CE7BE96240EA5E-1D24-7925D at webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com>
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>
>
> JMT Super Senior Reinhold writes: You make me laugh....."I CANNOT BE
> BRIBED".....this is so funny!!!
> You are just like "Sgt. Schultz" in "Hogans Heros". One candy bar got
> Hogan everything he wanted from "Schultz"....in your case it's a Snickers
> Bar. Well, in any case, if you refuse the nomination, I withdraw my
> nomination.
> My plan will not work without you as the treasurer. This is sad news for
> the PCTA.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Switchback replies: That is a good point. But I like ProBars and Laura
> Bars like Scott. Us professional hikers only do organic and super power
> foods. Snickers bars are for the rookies. And Snow Bunnies like you.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:42:03 -0500 (EST)
> From: hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hiker Trash Thanks
> To: reinholdmetzger at cox.net, pct-l at backcountry.net,
> baidarker at gmail.com
> Message-ID: <8CE7BEAA553B5AE-1D24-7953B at webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> JMT Super Senior Reinhold writes: Shroomer, although we also have a few
> "Looney Birds" on this list.
> You may be old, but not nearly as old as Switchback and I. You may be
> impressed by the Internet but hey, I'm so old, I'm still impressed by
> running water. As far as us being a rare bunch, you can say that
> again.....you only need to look at Switchback to realize that that is
> so....he is rare....very rare.
> ------------------------------------------
> Switchback replies: Boy, this must be cabin fever time on the PCT-L. But
> I must admit us old timers who broke PCT trail for others, like the Class
> of 1974, are a rare breed of mountainmen. I go back so far that I remember
> the "Ice Man" bringing a block of ice to my grandmother's "ice box" in her
> kitchen. There was an iron horse pole and ring in the front of the house
> to tie your horse to when you came to visit. Yes, us PCT mountainmen are
> the real thing, not uber light wimpy techies.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 07:19:08 -0700
> From: Cosmic Cat <cosmic.cat144 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Post Offices
> To: Jackie McDonnell <yogihikes at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Eli Conlee <elijahconlee at gmail.com>
> Message-ID:
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> Out of all of those, I find stehekin to be the most worrisome.
>
> Amiratti's might be able to hold packages at Castella. They seemed pretty
> hiker friendly to me.
>
> Old Station could be skipped by sending a
> On Nov 26, 2011 2:49 AM, "Jackie McDonnell" <yogihikes at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This site shows the PO's which could potentially be closed:
> >
> > http://about.usps.com/news/**electronic-press-kits/**
> > expandedaccess/statelist.htm<
> >
> http://about.usps.com/news/electronic-press-kits/expandedaccess/statelist.htm
> > >
> >
> > The PCT towns affected are:
> >
> > Stehekin WA
> > Old Station CA
> > Castella CA
> >
> > Yogi
> > www.pcthandbook.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Eli Conlee <elijahconlee at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > This is my first time on here and I'm planning a thru-hike for 2012,
> so I
> > > am certain that it will not be my last. But one question I haven't been
> > > able to track down an answer to is this:
> > >
> > > With all of the budget cuts in the US Postal Service, does anyone know
> > how
> > > and/or if this will affect any of the PO's that I'll be using as a
> > > thru-hiker?
> > >
> > > Or if you know where to find that sort of information...
> > >
> > > Thanks. Looking forward to becoming part of the hallowed crew of PCT
> > folks.
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:55:07 -0500
> From: John Casterline <tnx4asking at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] HEY shroomer
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I think all hikers and especially shoomer will get a kick out of the link
> below re mushrooms.
>
>
> http://www.ted.com/talks/paul_stamets_on_6_ways_mushrooms_can_save_the_world.html
>
> 3C
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 07:41:00 -0800
> From: Dennis Phelan <dennis.phelan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] some stats on a few trail non-profits
> To: jimniedbalski at aol.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> The only problem I see is that PCTA is short on revenue. We need to do
> something about that and put our money where our hearts are and ramp up our
> giving.
>
> Dennis Phelan
>
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 3:40 PM, <jimniedbalski at aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Not to feed either side of the fire, but here are some stats to think
> > about to add context to the question, all from Charity Navigator:
> >
> > Appalachian Mountain Club (New England and mid-Atlantic states, based in
> > Boston), Executive director/president salary, $278,000; salary's
> percentage
> > of expenses, 1.52 percent; organization's revenue, $20.8 million.
> > American Hiking Society, $110,000; 9.35 %; $1.1 million;
> > Appalachian Trail Conservancy, $114,000; 2.41 %; $4.9 million;
> > Green Mountain Club (Vermont), $80,000; 5.07 %; $1.7 million;
> > PCTA, $99,000; 5.82 %; $1.7 million.
> >
> > Make of this what you will.
> > For what it's worth, I think the difference between the ED salary and the
> > other paid empIoyee salaries also should be considered.
> >
> > Jim
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