[pct-l] budget gear list for PCT?
Sam Griffin
samgriffin4 at gmail.com
Sat Mar 5 01:00:07 CST 2011
I hear that ULB makes an excellent scimitar. Titanium, sleek, fm radio in
the scabbard (headphoned 10 dollars extra :( ).
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> 1. Re: tent or eyore hut (John Abela)
> 2. Re: budget gear list for pct? (Eric)
> 3. Re: budget gear list for pct? (John Abela)
> 4. Back From Canada (TOM AND JOANNE BALCOM)
> 5. Sleeping bag liner (Edward Anderson)
> 6. Re: SoBo Border? (ron guay)
> 7. Re: Sleeping bag liner (John Abela)
> 8. Re: One last joke.. (Kevin Cook)
> 9. Hammock Tents in State Parks (bighummel at aol.com)
> 10. I was wrong ok?? Lol. (Brian Gill)
> 11. Re: budget gear list for pct? (Gary Swing)
> 12. Re: tent or eyore hu (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> 13. Re: Hammock Tents in State Parks (Kevin Cook)
> 14. Contact Lenses ???? ('Sourdough' Foster)
> 15. 2011 PCT Hiker Hosting in San Diego (Pea Hicks)
> 16. Re: powdered sour creme, powdered pure maple syrup....
> (dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com)
> 17. Re: Warner Springs Address (patti kulesz)
> 18. Re: Sleeping bag liner ('Sourdough' Foster)
> 19. Re: Kickoff sign up! (Kevin Renfrow)
> 20. Re: tent or eyore hu (Gerry Zamora)
> 21. Re: Sleeping bag liner (Ron)
> 22. tarp rain Floor (Amanda L Silvestri)
> 23. Ross Late angeling update (Jon Smith)
> 24. Re: Raingear: Parcho Questions (Ken Marlow)
> 25. Re: budget gear list for pct? (dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com)
> 26. Re: budget gear list for pct? (Austin Williams)
> 27. Re: SoBo Border? (Paul Robison)
> 28. Re: San Gorgonio Pass to Hwy 74 (Pines to Palms Highway)
> (Brick Robbins)
> 29. Re: San Gorgonio Pass to Hwy 74 (Pines to Palms Highway)
> (Paul Robison)
> 30. Food question from Mid life Crisis (David Mason)
> 31. Re: tent or eyore hut (Jason Moores)
> 32. Re: tent or eyore hut (Austin Williams)
> 33. PCT Rituals (hiker97 at aol.com)
> 34. Re: San Gorgonio Pass to Hwy 74 (Pines to Palms Highway)
> (Jason Moores)
> 35. Re: budget gear list for pct? (Ate Tuna)
> 36. Wide shoes (Kim Hastings)
> 37. Re: San Gorgonio Pass to Hwy 74 (Pines to Palms Highway)
> (Eric Lee)
> 38. Re: San Gorgonio Pass to Hwy 74 (Pines to Palms Highway)
> (Jason Moores)
> 39. Fw: Sleeping bag liner (Edward Anderson)
> 40. Email (CHARLES MILLER)
> 41. Fw: Sleeping bag liner (Paul Robison)
> 42. Re: budget gear list for pct? (Paul Robison)
> 43. test - ignore (Brick Robbins)
> 44. Weight question (Eric)
> 45. posts? (shelly skye)
> 46. Warner Springs Resort (hiker97 at aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 13:15:54 -0800
> From: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] tent or eyore hut
> To: Zack Ziegler <zrziegler at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Anymore, the tarp/tent issue comes down to one factor:
>
> flying insects
>
>
> To me, "weight" is just no longer an argument in the "tent/tarp" issue
> - except for those who are XUL.
>
> I own a double wall, three season, fully enclosed tent that weights 14
> ounces [0.88 pounds / 399 grams]. (zpacks hexanet solo)
>
> Can I go lighter than that? Sure. 3.4 ounces for a mld solo cf tarp.
>
> But does that protect me from the flying insects? No.
>
> Your only option than is to huddle up with full clothing, gloves (if
> you cannot keep your hands in your sleeping bag) and face/neck nets.
>
> If you can do that and feel like you are enjoying your tip, go for it!
> Your entire sleeping setup can weigh under 20 ounces [16oz quilt, 3oz
> tarp, 0.8oz head net].
>
> That is the route I take for my 3 pound base weight setup, but when
> the bugs start to fly, for me, I'll take the additional 8 ounces for
> an insert.
>
> There is also the option of the Gatewood Cape at 11 oz, plus the
> insert for the bug season/area at an additional 7 ounces. This gives
> you a double wall three season fully enclosed solo setup at 18 ounces,
> part of which can double-duty as a rain cover for hiking.
>
> John
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Christopher Swope <sswwooppee at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Definitely, the eyore tent!
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Zack Ziegler <zrziegler at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> im debating on whether to bring a tent or just a rainproof fort thing.
> (for
> >> weight) but i dont want shit crawlin in there. suggestions?
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 13:15:54 -0800
> From: Eric <johner27 at evergreen.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] budget gear list for pct?
> To: Zack Ziegler <zrziegler at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> http://planyourhike.com/gear/
>
> They've got budget options listed. Also departmentofgoods.com, ebay,
> craigslist, or the BPL gear swap forums. Second Ascent if you're near
> Seattle. Skip REI, they overcharge for most gear; it's good to abuse their
> return policy though!
>
> Lastly, PLEASE don't take a machete. The woods will thank you.
>
> Regards,
> Eric
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Zack Ziegler <zrziegler at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > i'm paying for myself and a friend to hike the pct. so budget is key.
> know
> > where
> > to find some used gear? tents, pack, machetes.
> >
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 13:16:45 -0800
> From: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] budget gear list for pct?
> To: Zack Ziegler <zrziegler at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Zack Ziegler <zrziegler at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > i'm paying for myself and a friend to hike the pct. so budget is key.
> know where
> > to find some used gear? tents, pack, machetes.
>
>
> http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/display_forum.html?forum=19
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 13:18:01 -0800
> From: TOM AND JOANNE BALCOM <tombalcom785 at msn.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Back From Canada
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> From: tombalcom785 at msn.com
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:08:37 -0800
>
>
>
> Regarding "back from Canada:"
>
> In 2003, when I reached Stehekin in early September, a fire was burning
> across the PCT at Harts Pass. The rangers gave me maps of an alternate
> trail from High Pass. I took the Thunder Creek Trail to Diablo Lake, then
> hiked about 4 miles east on Hwy 20 to Ross Lake. Then took the East Bank
> Trail which follows the shoreline of Ross Lake. After about 5 hours, I
> reached the Lightning Creek Trail Junction. I followed Lightning Creek for
> a mile or two, then took the Three Fools Trail. The Three Fools Trail is
> about 25 miles long paralleling the border and ties to the PCT at Castle
> Pass. In 2003, the trail was not well maintained. It was brushy with a lot
> of blow downs. It rained all day and when I reached 6000 ft elevation the
> rain turned to rain-snow mix. I was crossing a prairie and lost the trail as
> there was also a thick fog coming and going. It took me several minutes to
> find rock cairns spaced about 100 yds apart to find the trail again.
> Diablo Lake has a large campground and it shouldn't be too hard to catch a
> ride.
>
> Stretch
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 13:19:59 -0800 (PST)
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Sleeping bag liner
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hi All,
>
> During the past few weeks there has been a lot of discussion regarding
> sleeping
> bags and various kinds of sleeping pads and inflatable air mattresses.? I
> didn't
> recall any mention of sleeping bag liners.?For my rides in?2008 and 2009 I
> brought a sleeping bag LINER that I bought at REI. It is called a Cocoon.?I
> will
> be bringing it again this summer.
>
> The use I have had for it are:? 1)?Of course, by lining my down bag it
> helps to
> keep it clean.?And the liner is very easy to rinse out on the trail - it
> drys
> quickly. I don't use soap.?2)? It provides an extra layer for warmth and if
> it
> is really cold you can sleep in your clothes without bringing trail dirt
> into
> your bag.? 3)? If it is?a warm night I sometimes slept in just the liner on
> top
> of my bag - if it became cooler later?I could easily slip into my ?bag.
>
> It only weighs 8 ounces.
>
> MendoRider/Ed Anderson
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 15:21:19 -0600
> From: ron guay <ron.a.guay2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] SoBo Border?
> To: Spring <kjssail at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Cetaris paribus, I (US citizen, passport, no CA border permit) would rather
> go up to Manning and on to BC...hostel...I-5...etc) then turn around and
> return back into the US via PCT.
> On Mar 3, 2011 12:45 PM, "Spring" <kjssail at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > According to the PCTA "Trail Dirt" news "U.S. Customs and Border
> Protection no longer allows hikers and horseback riders to cross the
> international border from Canada into the United States" They go on to
> state that hikers were fined (imprisoned) for violating this rule.
> >
> > Anyone have experience with this?
> >
> > And, how do they (the border guards) know if you came from Canada or
> walked up from Highway 20, and are just on the return? Do they now
> maintain
> patrols on the section south of the border?
> >
> > Thanks, Spring
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 13:26:44 -0800
> From: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleeping bag liner
> To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I have considered them, but at 1/3rd the weight of my bag, it just did
> not make any sense.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > During the past few weeks there has been a lot of discussion regarding
> sleeping
> > bags and various kinds of sleeping pads and inflatable air mattresses.? I
> didn't
> > recall any mention of sleeping bag liners.?For my rides in?2008 and 2009
> I
> > brought a sleeping bag LINER that I bought at REI. It is called a
> Cocoon.?I will
> > be bringing it again this summer.
> >
> > The use I have had for it are:? 1)?Of course, by lining my down bag it
> helps to
> > keep it clean.?And the liner is very easy to rinse out on the trail - it
> drys
> > quickly. I don't use soap.?2)? It provides an extra layer for warmth and
> if it
> > is really cold you can sleep in your clothes without bringing trail dirt
> into
> > your bag.? 3)? If it is?a warm night I sometimes slept in just the liner
> on top
> > of my bag - if it became cooler later?I could easily slip into my ?bag.
> >
> > It only weighs 8 ounces.
> >
> > MendoRider/Ed Anderson
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 14:38:36 -0700
> From: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] One last joke..
> To: hikertrsh at gmail.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> bahhahaahha
>
> That was great :)
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Randy Forsland <hikertrsh at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Switchback had worked hard his whole life....
> > Finally sick of the stress he quits his job and buys 50 acres of land in
> > Alaska as far from humanity as possible. He sees the postman once a week
> > and
> > gets groceries once a month. Otherwise it's total peace and quiet.
> > After six months or so of almost total isolation, someone knocks on his
> > door. He opens it and a huge, bearded man is standing there.
> > Name's Lars, your neighbor from forty miles up the road. Having a
> Christmas
> > party Friday night. Thought you might like to come. About 5:00.'
> > 'Great', says Switchback, 'After six months out here I'm ready to meet
> some
> > local folks. Thank you.'
> > As Lars is leaving, he stops. 'Gotta warn you, Gonna be some drinkin'.'
> > Not a problem,' says Switchback. ' I can drink with the best of 'em.'
> > Again, the big man starts to leave and stops. 'More'n' likely gonna be
> some
> > fightin' too.'
> > 'Well, I get along with people, but if I need to, I can go toe to toe
> with
> > anyone. I'll be there. Thanks again.'
> > 'More'n likely gonna be some wild sex, too,'
> > 'Now that's really not a problem,' says Switchback, warming to the idea.
> > I've been all alone for six months! I'll definitely be there.' 'By the
> way,
> > what should I wear?'
> > 'Don't much matter. Just gonna be the two of us.'
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 16:40:36 -0500
> From: bighummel at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Hammock Tents in State Parks
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Cc: adzpctko at yahoogroups.com
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> I just called Lake Morena to check in before the kickoff as I always do
> every year and feel them out for how everything is going. Jane says
> everything is fine and they're looking forward to the kickoff too. I
> brought up the subject of hammocks and Jane says for someone to write a
> cover letter explaining the hammock and how it is attached to a tree with
> photos and propose to do a demonstration of it for them. Send it to
> berylbuchanan at sdcounty.ca.gov and cc'd janeengelton at sdcounty.ca.gov. She
> sounded encouraging that they might consider an exception.
>
>
> Greg Hummel
>
>
> Those three little words
> Never said enough
> By themselves, never enough
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 13:48:21 -0800
> From: Brian Gill <pctpanama at aol.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] I was wrong ok?? Lol.
> To: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <F2F91A4B-F743-4D18-9F5D-1133E824C7A9 at aol.com>
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> I was wrong about the twitter thing I guess. ! Lol Someone was pulling
> my chain. It's a new account at bank of America you have to have to hike
> trail or attend kickoff .. Lol. Panama
>
>
>
> Sent From My IPhone
> Brian
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 14:52:41 -0800 (PST)
> From: Gary Swing <homelessontherange at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] budget gear list for pct?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Whereabouts do you live? And when are you starting out on the PCT?
>
> I'm in Denver and I've found a lot of good deals at seasonal gear sales.
> The Colorado Mountain Club has gear swaps in the spring and fall. REI stores
> have member only gear sales that are kind of hit or miss. Other
> mountaineering stores sometimes have seasonal gear swaps. Denver has
> Wilderness Exchange. Boulder has Neptune Mountaineering. If you live in a
> metropolitan area, I'd suggest checking with local mountaineering/outdoor
> gear stores and any large local hiking club to see if they have used gear
> sales before your departure date. If you have any backpacking gear
> manufacturers based near you, you might check if they have special gear
> sales, too. GoLite is based about 30 miles from me and they have periodic
> gear sale days with deep discounts on backpacks and tents. Also, try looking
> on Craigs List, or forums of hiking clubs. I've gotten most of my gear,
> including clothing, tents, and backpacks at local gear exchanges. I found a
> Big Agnes SL2 tent
> cheaply at the Price Insanity website a few years ago, but had to
> backorder it.
>
> There are plenty of used machetes in Rwanda that you could probably buy
> cheaply, but the shipping costs may be prohibitive, and you should clean off
> the dried blood thoroughly. If you're flying, remember to put the machetes
> in your checked luggage. Don't try to carry them onboard. However, you
> probably won't need machetes on the PCT unless you end up with particularly
> irritating hiking partners, or you have an insatiable bloodlust.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 3/3/11, Zack Ziegler <zrziegler at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Zack Ziegler <zrziegler at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] budget gear list for pct?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 2:11 PM
>
> i'm paying for myself and a friend to hike the pct. so budget is key. know
> where
> to find some used gear? tents, pack, machetes.
>
>
> ? ? ?
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 15:04:53 -0800
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] tent or eyore hu
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> The ants are probably the most likely to crawl on you. You get pretty
> used to ants crawling all over you just because they do every time
> you sit down to take a break. As they say, "Welcome to Giant Ant
> World." I'd bring the "rainproof fort thing" and have a tent in a
> package up the trail at the next town or ready to be mailed to you.
> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Zack Ziegler <zrziegler at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> im debating on whether to bring a tent or just a rainproof fort
> >> thing. (for
> >> weight) but i dont want shit crawlin in there. suggestions?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 16:08:13 -0700
> From: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hammock Tents in State Parks
> To: bighummel at aol.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, adzpctko at yahoogroups.com
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> Cool! I'll get that email out Saturday, after I can take some pics and
> shoot
> some video. Need to take pics of my hammock suspension anyway, so this will
> be the motivation to get it done! LOL
>
> I hope other hammockers do it too! Can't hurt for them to hear multiple
> voices all preaching the same methods. I don't know any hammockers that
> don't use webbing around the tree.
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 2:40 PM, <bighummel at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > I just called Lake Morena to check in before the kickoff as I always do
> > every year and feel them out for how everything is going. Jane says
> > everything is fine and they're looking forward to the kickoff too. I
> > brought up the subject of hammocks and Jane says for someone to write a
> > cover letter explaining the hammock and how it is attached to a tree with
> > photos and propose to do a demonstration of it for them. Send it to
> > berylbuchanan at sdcounty.ca.gov and cc'd janeengelton at sdcounty.ca.gov.
> She
> > sounded encouraging that they might consider an exception.
> >
> >
> > Greg Hummel
> >
> >
> > Those three little words
> > Never said enough
> > By themselves, never enough
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> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 18:05:22 -0800 (PST)
> From: 'Sourdough' Foster <athruhiker2006 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Contact Lenses ????
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <347804.24587.qm at web39702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Just Curious......Wondering if I am in for any surprises dealing with
> wearing
> contacts on the trail. Know they will be a pain in the butt at times,
> but?any
> suggestions, advice or words of wisdom would be greatly appreciated !! I do
> have
> the extended wear type,?if at least one positive?thing. :-)
>
> Thanks!!
> S'do
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 15:23:34 -0800
> From: Pea Hicks <phix at optigan.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] 2011 PCT Hiker Hosting in San Diego
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <4D7022F6.3000501 at optigan.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> To all 2011 PCT Hikers-
>
> My trailname is Girlscout (I'm a guy, btw). I thru-hiked the PCT in 2006
> and have subsequently been hosting incoming hikers (free of charge) at
> my house in San Diego. I'll come get you at the airport or wherever
> you're arriving, take you to whatever last minute errands you need, put
> you up at my house for a night (or two, if needed), and get you to Campo
> (or any other PCT trailhead in Section A) bright and early in the morning.
>
> If you'd like to take advantage of my services, please send along your
> complete arrival info (ie, flight number, arrival time, etc) and also
> your cell phone number if you're going to have one with you. Be sure to
> let me know what date you plan to start your hike, and any other
> pertinent information. I won't be able to add you to my schedule until I
> have all this info. Feel free to send along any packages to be held at
> my house until your arrival.
>
> My contact information:
>
> Pea Hicks (aka Girlscout)
> 2722 Ridge View Dr.
> San Diego, cA
> 92105
> 619-840-4288
> phix at optigan.com
>
> Cheers, and good luck to the Class of 2011!!
>
> Girlscout
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 16:25:23 -0700
> From: <dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] powdered sour creme, powdered pure maple
> syrup....
> To: "'Scott Williams'" <baidarker at gmail.com>, "'CHUCK CHELIN'"
> <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Cc: 'pctl' <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <3C00A1B97A1F401BAD8A3EB1E193FE71 at DB2>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>
>
> Ah yes, I almost forgot about food trade on the trail. Not sure what the
> current value is of a strawberry frosted pop tart but in the old days you
> could often trade for a buddy's girlfriend about day 5 as the trail dirt
> had brought their value into check. At least offers were made but I don't
> know if that was ever enough to secure the pop tart.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Scott Williams
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:00 AM
> To: CHUCK CHELIN
> Cc: pctl
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] powdered sour creme, powdered pure maple syrup....
>
> Yes, I used them last year, and loved the sour cream, and cheese pdr.
> Shipping is kind of pricey, but the products I tried were great. What I
> didn't see on a quick glance was my favorite, which was their actual
> "Cheddar Powder" which is the same as Kraft mac and cheese pdr. With the
> addition of that I could make my mac and cheese or Lipton sides, and
> numerous other dishes, much higher in protein and much cheesier. It was so
> popular on trail I'd have Katie send out more than I needed and trade on
> trail.
>
> Now, the "Cheddar Powder" is not what they call "Cheese Sauce Powder." I
> found out about this company last year on an East Coast Hikers forum, and
> they recommended against buying the "cheese sauce powder" because it's
> actually much less actual cheese, and has a lot of thickeners and other
> stuff in it. I never tried it, but any sauce is usually full of starch of
> some kind. I just thickened my dishes with the pure cheddar cheese powder,
> and loved it. It seemed to me that I had to go hunting on their web site
> to
> find it, and that like the page Sugar Momma posted, it wasn't with the
> cheese sauce powder. Don't know why they do that, but the product was a
> real hit on trail, and I never got tired of it.
>
> Shroomer
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> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 15:30:49 -0800 (PST)
> From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Address
> To: abiegen at cox.net, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <597923.28650.qm at web161417.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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>
> I wish I would have known that last year so I could have gone about things
> a
> little differently. They still haven't paid us back for our loss. It sux!
> not to
> mention that I am on a special diet b/c of allergies and other health
> issues. I
> couldn't find anything I needed in that rinky dink store they have in that
> town.
> Good thing it was only three days to the next resupply!
>
> Sugar Moma
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "abiegen at cox.net" <abiegen at cox.net>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Cc: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 10:48:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Warner Springs Address
>
> Sugar Momma wrote:
>
> >Just some FYI...I don't suggest mailing any packages to the ranch. Last
> year,
> >they placed all the resupply boxes right next to the hiker box. myself and
> a
> >few others had our boxes rummaged through and not just food but also some
> gear
> >stolen. They weren't very helpful when this occurred either and told us
> that
> >they did it this way for many years with no issues. Didn't even offer us a
> soda
> >much less something to eat after we reported all our food was gone. They
> may
> >have changed their procedure since then but be weary. Losing ur food and
> gear
> >while hiking and being in the middle of no where in a rinky dink town is
> NO
> FUN!
>
> I was at Warner Springs when this happened or just a little after I left.
> When I
> first got there I got my package that I had dropped off. They keep the
> hiker
> packages in a room that is off the lobby but is not locked. They also have
> the
> hiker box there. They have a sign on a post that says, "Hiker box" on it.
> When I
> got my box the sign and the hiker box were separated from the resupply
> boxes. I
> looked through the hiker box and it was mostly stuff I wasn't interested
> in.
>
> When I checked out, Uncle Tom and some of his crew were on the front porch
> eating life savers. I went to check out and there was a new employee
> working at
> the front desk. She couldn't figure out how to work the register. She
> couldn't
> print out a receipt. I still don't know exactly what my bill for $400 was
> for
> (Yes we were stuck there for three days because of snow and rain). While
> she was
> screwing around with that, I went into the hiker room. All the resupply
> boxes
> were gone except one and that one box had the sign on it that said, "Hiker
> Box."
> I thought that was odd. The resupply box was properly labeled and sealed. I
> took
> the sign off the box and got some Life Savers from the Hiker Box and was on
> my
> way.
>
>
> I suspect that the new employee had put the sign on the box while vacuuming
> the
> floor and had no idea what she was doing. I also suspect that even though I
> took
> it off the box, later or the next day she did the same thing again. I
> suspect
> that hikers seeing the lone resupply box with the Hiker Box sign on it
> assumed
> that it was abandoned and looted it. Yes, the probably should have known
> better
> but I think it was just an unfortunate series of events and misjudgments
> rather
> than outright theft.
>
> I believe I heard that the staff at WS tightened up their procedures but
> cannot
> say for sure.
>
> TrailHacker
> "When my feet hurt, I can't think straight"
> Abraham Lincoln
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 18:20:19 -0800 (PST)
> From: 'Sourdough' Foster <athruhiker2006 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleeping bag liner
> To: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>, Edward Anderson
> <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <881531.9504.qm at web39703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Must say I agree with MendoRider.........For everything he mentioned and
> one
> more very maj. reason.?
> Ponder what you are going to do 1st night out?on a 5?day?run and you have a
> 'litl intestinal "Shart" situation?inside your nice down bag??
>
> Hmmm. Now check out this 4.7 oz silk one available at Campmor!?
> http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___45914
> You?may send me a thank you note for this bit of advice.....one morning.
> :-)
> S'do
> ?
>
> ?
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
> To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 4:26:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleeping bag liner
>
> I have considered them, but at 1/3rd the weight of my bag, it just did
> not make any sense.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > During the past few weeks there has been a lot of discussion regarding
> sleeping
> > bags and various kinds of sleeping pads and inflatable air mattresses.? I
> >didn't
> > recall any mention of sleeping bag liners.?For my rides in?2008 and 2009
> I
> > brought a sleeping bag LINER that I bought at REI. It is called a
> Cocoon.?I
> >will
> > be bringing it again this summer.
> >
> > The use I have had for it are:? 1)?Of course, by lining my down bag it
> helps
> to
> > keep it clean.?And the liner is very easy to rinse out on the trail - it
> drys
> > quickly. I don't use soap.?2)? It provides an extra layer for warmth and
> if it
> > is really cold you can sleep in your clothes without bringing trail dirt
> into
> > your bag.? 3)? If it is?a warm night I sometimes slept in just the liner
> on
> top
> > of my bag - if it became cooler later?I could easily slip into my ?bag.
> >
> > It only weighs 8 ounces.
> >
> > MendoRider/Ed Anderson
> >
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 16:10:49 -0800
> From: Kevin Renfrow <kevinrenfrow at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Kickoff sign up!
> To: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTin9GetVLbLvQ1yOo=EAqMYOCjJc_k-gWBCHg5zG at mail.gmail.com>
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> Can I send you an ARRL radiogram over amateur radio to sign up?
>
> -Kevin
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I started a big fire, but I'm not sure if you can see my smoke signals
> all
> > the way in CA.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Carl Siechert <carlito at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> We're still configuring the telegraph lines. Thanks for your patience.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Via dial-up?
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Scott "Squatch" Herriott <
> >> > yetifan7 at gmail.com
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Panama queried:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > <It it true that you must sign up to twitter to sign up for
> kickoff?>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Uh, no. ?The first announcement, though, will come through Twitter.
> >> > >
> >> > > You'll have to sign up through AOL.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Squatch
> >> > >
> >> > > www.walkpct.com
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 15:47:29 -0800
> From: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] tent or eyore hu
> To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTimmA1XJvfHks=5CpwBJ_jUCWV8FgZ9JCyH3avJS at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Shit crawling on me...lol that's is classic.
> On Mar 3, 2011 3:05 PM, "Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes" <
> diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 16:17:03 -0800
> From: Ron <chiefcowboy at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleeping bag liner
> To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <2oj8n19s905faquliaroq69s.1299197823033 at email.android.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> My liner weighs 4 ounces and adds 10 degrees of comfort. Won' go out
> without it.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>
> Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi All,
> >
> >During the past few weeks there has been a lot of discussion regarding
> sleeping
> >bags and various kinds of sleeping pads and inflatable air mattresses.? I
> didn't
> >recall any mention of sleeping bag liners.?For my rides in?2008 and 2009 I
> >brought a sleeping bag LINER that I bought at REI. It is called a
> Cocoon.?I will
> >be bringing it again this summer.
> >
> >The use I have had for it are:? 1)?Of course, by lining my down bag it
> helps to
> >keep it clean.?And the liner is very easy to rinse out on the trail - it
> drys
> >quickly. I don't use soap.?2)? It provides an extra layer for warmth and
> if it
> >is really cold you can sleep in your clothes without bringing trail dirt
> into
> >your bag.? 3)? If it is?a warm night I sometimes slept in just the liner
> on top
> >of my bag - if it became cooler later?I could easily slip into my ?bag.
> >
> >It only weighs 8 ounces.
> >
> >MendoRider/Ed Anderson
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 22
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 19:22:09 -0800 (PST)
> From: Amanda L Silvestri <aslive at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] tarp rain Floor
> To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <315391.32752.qm at web80801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I have been using a tarp for several years now.? Fortunately, I have had
> little experience with rain.? When selecting as camp site, I always look for
> a level spot to pitch.??I use Tyvak (sp) as a ground cloth.? When there is
> rain,?I place rocks on both sides of my floor to hold?it up and make a sort
> of?bathtub.? I wonder what other tarp users do.
> ?
> Shepherd
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 17:50:22 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jon Smith <jsa106 at sfu.ca>
> Subject: [pct-l] Ross Late angeling update
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
> <110714419.548053.1299203422079.JavaMail.root at jaguar7.sfu.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Simpler solution to the Ross Lake trail angeling thing: the Dinsmores now
> have my contact info if anyone needs it.
>
> --Devil
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 20:06:01 -0800
> From: Ken Marlow <pcthiker at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Raingear: Parcho Questions
> To: PCT-L List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <3822FCA4-2ED4-44E2-A25F-461CFFA68B30 at cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Yes I did. And Bill sent the 20-page (wew!) instruction set. Thankfully
> about half of it appears to be aids in getting the right size down.
>
> On Mar 3, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Kevin Cook wrote:
>
> > Did you find this?
> > http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/resp320s/ParchoSeworBuyInfo.pdf
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 21:20:25 -0700
> From: <dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] budget gear list for pct?
> To: "'Gary Swing'" <homelessontherange at yahoo.com>,
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <02B69D9E3CDA439AB579885FE953119D at DB2>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
>
> I did not know we were allowed to bring our machetes but mine is now
> packed.
> I love those things.
>
>
> One item on the budget front I have been testing out is the $20 frogg Toggs
> rain suit. Did two pretty heavy rain hikes lately(walked about 8mi each
> with
> it on) and so far I like it better than the gortex/precip stuff, breaths
> better and does not get as sticky inside or "wet out" as bad. It would
> never work in heavy brush busting but it has been great on the open trail.
> I also use the jacket as my windshirt and with the front zip and hood on or
> off options it controls temp well with one long sleeve shirt and beene,
> temps 40 -50 range (while walking). The pants and jacket togather weight
> less than my previous jacket, about 10 oz. If you get the cheapest one
> without the eleastic at the legs you can get the pants on and off over
> boots
> and shoes. I am not ready to give it a full seal of approval but so far it
> has worked good for me. Maybe someone else has more experience with this
> product or can speak specifically about any brush/abrasion issues on the
> PCT. $20 at Sports Authority.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Gary Swing
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:53 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] budget gear list for pct?
>
> Whereabouts do you live? And when are you starting out on the PCT?
>
> I'm in Denver and I've found a lot of good deals at seasonal gear sales.
> The
> Colorado Mountain Club has gear swaps in the spring and fall. REI stores
> have member only gear sales that are kind of hit or miss. Other
> mountaineering stores sometimes have seasonal gear swaps. Denver has
> Wilderness Exchange. Boulder has Neptune Mountaineering. If you live in a
> metropolitan area, I'd suggest checking with local mountaineering/outdoor
> gear stores and any large local hiking club to see if they have used gear
> sales before your departure date. If you have any backpacking gear
> manufacturers based near you, you might check if they have special gear
> sales, too. GoLite is based about 30 miles from me and they have periodic
> gear sale days with deep discounts on backpacks and tents. Also, try
> looking
> on Craigs List, or forums of hiking clubs. I've gotten most of my gear,
> including clothing, tents, and backpacks at local gear exchanges. I found a
> Big Agnes SL2 tent
> cheaply at the Price Insanity website a few years ago, but had to
> backorder
> it.
>
> There are plenty of used machetes in Rwanda that you could probably buy
> cheaply, but the shipping costs may be prohibitive, and you should clean
> off
> the dried blood thoroughly. If you're flying, remember to put the machetes
> in your checked luggage. Don't try to carry them onboard. However, you
> probably won't need machetes on the PCT unless you end up with particularly
> irritating hiking partners, or you have an insatiable bloodlust.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 3/3/11, Zack Ziegler <zrziegler at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Zack Ziegler <zrziegler at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] budget gear list for pct?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 2:11 PM
>
> i'm paying for myself and a friend to hike the pct. so budget is key. know
> where
> to find some used gear? tents, pack, machetes.
>
>
> ? ? ?
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> Message: 26
> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 09:43:24 -0800
> From: Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] budget gear list for pct?
> To: Zack Ziegler <zrziegler at yahoo.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hi, so here is the info I have on cutting trip costs:
> http://planyourhike.com/planning/financing.php
>
> I'm convinced even a broke hobo could thru-hike the pacific crest trail if
> he/she were innovative and motivated enough.
>
> :)
>
> Austin Williams
>
> www.PlanYourHike.com <http://www.planyourhike.com/>
> Info on PCT gear, resupply points, maps, movies, etc.
>
> "*Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a
> fruit salad.*"
> -Proverb
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 27
> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 15:40:26 -0500
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] SoBo Border?
> To: ron guay <ron.a.guay2 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>, Spring
> <kjssail at yahoo.com>
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> This article is not about going into BC... it's for southbounders planning
> of walking into the USA FROM BC.
>
> America doesn't care who enters Canada... You do not need American govts
> permission to leave.
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On 2011-03-03, at 4:21 PM, ron guay <ron.a.guay2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Cetaris paribus, I (US citizen, passport, no CA border permit) would
> rather
> > go up to Manning and on to BC...hostel...I-5...etc) then turn around and
> > return back into the US via PCT.
> > On Mar 3, 2011 12:45 PM, "Spring" <kjssail at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> According to the PCTA "Trail Dirt" news "U.S. Customs and Border
> > Protection no longer allows hikers and horseback riders to cross the
> > international border from Canada into the United States" They go on to
> > state that hikers were fined (imprisoned) for violating this rule.
> >>
> >> Anyone have experience with this?
> >>
> >> And, how do they (the border guards) know if you came from Canada or
> > walked up from Highway 20, and are just on the return? Do they now
> maintain
> > patrols on the section south of the border?
> >>
> >> Thanks, Spring
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 28
> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 01:27:19 -0800
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] San Gorgonio Pass to Hwy 74 (Pines to Palms
> Highway)
> To: Devon Taig <devon.taig at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I think northbound would be better.
>
> I'm thinking the area between Apache Peak and Red Tahquitz might be
> "interesting" on show shoes, and might actually be rather technical in
> that much snow. Ropes, Pickets, Crampons?
>
> Also the section between Saddle Junction and the Marion Ridge trail
> looked to me like it might have a pretty high avalanche danger.
>
> Sounds like a hellava trip. Have Fun!
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Devon Taig <devon.taig at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have 7 days next week, and am seriously considering a (largely)
> snow-shoe
> > journey consisting of the 60 miles or so between Interstate 10 (San
> Gorgonio
> > Pass) and Hwy 74 (Pine to Palms). ?My guess is that at least 75% of this
> > will be under snow. ?I haven't been up there in 20 years so my memory is
> a
> > little sketchy on what to expect. ?I remember something dark and
> foreboding
> > about Fuller Ridge though. ?I'll be taking a GPS with Halfmile's GPS
> tracks
> > / waypoints loaded, so even if there isn't a trail visible, I'm hoping
> not
> > to get too far off route.
> >
> > Would anyone care to comment on the fool-hardiness of this endeavor (e.g.
> > "we'll try not to trip over your body when we hike by in May")? ? I'm
> > wondering specifically about avalanche potential and snow-shoe traverses
> > along and across steep slopes. I'm normally comfortable walking 20 miles
> a
> > day, so hopefully 10 mpd won't be more than I can handle in snow.
> >
> > Devon
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> Message: 29
> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 15:44:45 -0500
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] San Gorgonio Pass to Hwy 74 (Pines to Palms
> Highway)
> To: Devon Taig <devon.taig at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <FED50822-F021-4C94-9399-1F3352C0365E at yahoo.com>
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> My comment in the foolheartedlyness of the trip is this:
>
> Know your own skill set, know how to use your tools and bring the right
> tools for serious mountaineering... It'll be one he'll of an adventure for
> sure...
>
> Wether the up for the adventure, or able to do it... Only you can judge.
>
> I didn't see anything about doing this with a 6 lb baseweight, so that's
> good : )
>
> I never use this for pct stuff, but I'll make an exception...
>
> ... Be prepared and bring appropriate survival tools
> Other than that, no real advice to lend, as I don't know your skillet,
>
> ~Paul
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On 2011-03-03, at 1:22 PM, Devon Taig <devon.taig at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I have 7 days next week, and am seriously considering a (largely)
> snow-shoe
> > journey consisting of the 60 miles or so between Interstate 10 (San
> Gorgonio
> > Pass) and Hwy 74 (Pine to Palms). My guess is that at least 75% of this
> > will be under snow. I haven't been up there in 20 years so my memory is
> a
> > little sketchy on what to expect. I remember something dark and
> foreboding
> > about Fuller Ridge though. I'll be taking a GPS with Halfmile's GPS
> tracks
> > / waypoints loaded, so even if there isn't a trail visible, I'm hoping
> not
> > to get too far off route.
> >
> > Would anyone care to comment on the fool-hardiness of this endeavor (e.g.
> > "we'll try not to trip over your body when we hike by in May")? I'm
> > wondering specifically about avalanche potential and snow-shoe traverses
> > along and across steep slopes. I'm normally comfortable walking 20 miles
> a
> > day, so hopefully 10 mpd won't be more than I can handle in snow.
> >
> > Devon
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> Message: 30
> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 10:48:01 -0800
> From: "David Mason" <Bigdave at bigdavemason.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Food question from Mid life Crisis
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Thanks to your feedback I've found someplace to take my (puny) 100 mile
> walkabout to celebrate my half century on the planet..the San Rafael
> Wilderness. Now I have food question...
>
> I've made a proposed food list...Just want to see if you guys think I have
> it right...
>
> 10 day walk (stroll)
> 100 Miles
> 3,600 Calories per day
> 16.8 Lbs of food
> 134 calories per ounce
> $17.64 Per day
> .66 cent per calorie
>
> Homeostasis is around 2,800 calories for me (I'm 6'6" 320 {down from 350
> it's amazing what walking a lot will do for you}) I'll burn another 2,000
> calories per day walking. Despite my efforts I'll still be carrying a nice
> chunk of body fat around with me for my trip.
>
> A few questions..
>
> 1- Am I safe planning to consume body fat or will I be starving every day?
> 2- Does my calories per ounce ratio look ok?
> 3- Does my $'s per ounce look ok?
>
>
> Shaka Zulu
> Aka Mid Life Crisis
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 31
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 22:24:10 -0700
> From: Jason Moores <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] tent or eyore hut
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Solo cf tarp, bug net and ground sheet = 11.2oz + 7oz rain anorak
>
> I'm not arguing what John said, I just find this combo more versatile.
>
> Jackass
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 2:15 PM, John Abela
> <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Anymore, the tarp/tent issue comes down to one factor:
> >
> > flying insects
> >
> >
> > To me, "weight" is just no longer an argument in the "tent/tarp" issue
> > - except for those who are XUL.
> >
> > I own a double wall, three season, fully enclosed tent that weights 14
> > ounces [0.88 pounds / 399 grams]. (zpacks hexanet solo)
> >
> > Can I go lighter than that? Sure. 3.4 ounces for a mld solo cf tarp.
> >
> > But does that protect me from the flying insects? No.
> >
> > Your only option than is to huddle up with full clothing, gloves (if
> > you cannot keep your hands in your sleeping bag) and face/neck nets.
> >
> > If you can do that and feel like you are enjoying your tip, go for it!
> > Your entire sleeping setup can weigh under 20 ounces [16oz quilt, 3oz
> > tarp, 0.8oz head net].
> >
> > That is the route I take for my 3 pound base weight setup, but when
> > the bugs start to fly, for me, I'll take the additional 8 ounces for
> > an insert.
> >
> > There is also the option of the Gatewood Cape at 11 oz, plus the
> > insert for the bug season/area at an additional 7 ounces. This gives
> > you a double wall three season fully enclosed solo setup at 18 ounces,
> > part of which can double-duty as a rain cover for hiking.
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Christopher Swope <sswwooppee at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Definitely, the eyore tent!
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Zack Ziegler <zrziegler at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> im debating on whether to bring a tent or just a rainproof fort thing.
> > (for
> > >> weight) but i dont want shit crawlin in there. suggestions?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> Message: 32
> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 10:06:37 -0800
> From: Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] tent or eyore hut
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> So to weigh in on the flying-insects thing:
>
> I'm a tarp lover and I deal with bugs by simply wearing a bug-head-net to
> sleep (usually over a hat).
>
> Again, not for everybody. Works just fine for me, but you should try it
> out
> before you commit (if you have the opportunity). Another reason I prefer
> tarps is because they are inexpensive (depending on the kind you get). A
> 5x8 piece of tyveck costs, what, $16? A fully enclosed shelter of
> comparable weight would cost quite a bit more.
>
> If money isn't an issue, then you could get a cuben fiber "eyore" shelter
> that weighs less than 4 oz for about the same cost as a tent that weighs
> 1lb.
>
> If weight AND money aren't issues for you then I suppose I'd steer you
> towards a tent.
>
> Full disclosure: I am in the minority here. About 66% of thruhikers
> (roughly) bring a tent, while about 27% bring tarps.
>
> Here's what I've got for "Tents vs Tarps":
> http://planyourhike.com/gear/shelter.php
>
> If you plan to use your shelter every night, then you are probably the kind
> of hiker that would enjoy a tent more. If you only use your shelter when
> it's threatening rain, then I suspect you'd be much happier with a tarp.
> I'm of latter persuasion. I only used my shelter about 9-10 times in '08.
>
>
> Austin Williams
>
> www.PlanYourHike.com <http://www.planyourhike.com/>
> Info on PCT gear, resupply points, maps, movies, etc.
>
> "*Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a
> fruit salad.*"
> -Proverb
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 33
> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 12:17:48 -0500
> From: hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] PCT Rituals
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <8CDA8A738719315-F3C-6350 at webmail-d095.sysops.aol.com>
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>
>
> I was thinking that we need more rituals and hiking tribe standards on the
> trail. For example, we we greet each other on the trail, we should have
> hiking business cards to exchange with email addresses, etc. This would
> create unity and the card weight would only be a fraction for the good it
> would do and friendships it would generate.
>
> Even in the animal kingdom, there are rituals. For example, did you ever
> wonder why you never see dead penguins in documentaries of Antarctica? It
> is a known fact that the penguin is a very ritualistic. These birds live an
> extremely ordered and complex life. The penguin is very committed to its
> family and will mate for life, as well as maintaining a form of
> compassionate contact with its offspring throughout its life.
>
> If a penguin is found dead on the ice surface, other members of the family
> and social circle have been known to dig holes in the ice, using their
> vestigial wings and beaks, until the hole is deep enough for the dead bird
> to be rolled into and buried.
>
> The male penguins then gather in a circle around the fresh grave and sing:
> "Freeze a jolly good fellow! Freeze a jolly good fellow!" Then they kick
> him in the ice hole.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, cough, burp, "pardon". Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,
> ha, ha. Switchback strikes again.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 34
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 22:04:56 -0700
> From: Jason Moores <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] San Gorgonio Pass to Hwy 74 (Pines to Palms
> Highway)
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I would think that the snow cover would be 100% from Apache to Black
> Mountain Road. I would definitely call about avalanche conditions, the
> trail
> stays on the north/eastern exposure along the last mile and a half.
>
> Last year the trail was 98% under snow when we crossed, we had little
> problem holding to the route, but it was all consolidated with no real
> avalanche exposure. Due to the steepness of the terrain along the Castle
> section of the ridge many hikers chose to just stick to the top of the
> ridge
> and didn't bother to follow the trail route.
>
> Having done Fuller from both directions I found southbound the easiest for
> route finding but Halfmile is right about the climb, though I would rather
> walk up to the ridge instead of down to Snow Canyon. Two of my hiking
> partners had shinsplints by the time we reached the water fountain. It's a
> grind ether direction, but what a view! San Jacinto is one of my favorite
> places, I wish I was going with you.
>
> Jackass
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Halfmile <list at lon.net> wrote:
>
> > Devon,
> > Sounds like a fun adventure to me.
> >
> > A couple of comments:
> > If you hiked northbound from Hwy 74 you would have 3,500 feet less
> > climbing and a more gradual climb to start. You would also have the
> > option of bailing down the Spitler Peak trail and walking an alternate
> > route into Idyllwild (see my Section B Maps) if the you decide you are
> > not comfortable going on when you get to Apache Peak.
> >
> > You could run into ice and want crampons/ice axe. They might have more
> > info here:
> > http://www.mtsanjacinto.info/
> >
> > -Halfmile
> > www.pctmap.net
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Devon Taig <devon.taig at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > I have 7 days next week, and am seriously considering a (largely)
> > snow-shoe
> > > journey consisting of the 60 miles or so between Interstate 10 (San
> > Gorgonio
> > > Pass) and Hwy 74 (Pine to Palms). My guess is that at least 75% of
> this
> > > will be under snow. I haven't been up there in 20 years so my memory
> is
> > a
> > > little sketchy on what to expect. I remember something dark and
> > foreboding
> > > about Fuller Ridge though. I'll be taking a GPS with Halfmile's GPS
> > tracks
> > > / waypoints loaded, so even if there isn't a trail visible, I'm hoping
> > not
> > > to get too far off route.
> > >
> > > Would anyone care to comment on the fool-hardiness of this endeavor
> (e.g.
> > > "we'll try not to trip over your body when we hike by in May")? I'm
> > > wondering specifically about avalanche potential and snow-shoe
> traverses
> > > along and across steep slopes. I'm normally comfortable walking 20
> miles
> > a
> > > day, so hopefully 10 mpd won't be more than I can handle in snow.
> > >
> > > Devon
> > > _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 35
> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 04:35:17 -0800
> From: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] budget gear list for pct?
> To: Zack Ziegler <zrziegler at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> Making your own gear could save you a lot of money, especially since you're
> making gear for two. BPL has a great "make your own gear" forum. They
> also
> have a great gear swap forum.
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Zack Ziegler <zrziegler at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > i'm paying for myself and a friend to hike the pct. so budget is key.
> know
> > where
> > to find some used gear? tents, pack, machetes.
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 36
> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:32:26 -0800
> From: Kim Hastings <kim at stikine.org>
> Subject: [pct-l] Wide shoes
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Montrail Sabinos are on sale at REI outlet right now for 69.93, plus
> an additional 20% off first item this week.
>
> I've worn New Balance 8##AT's in a 4E for the last five years and been
> happy with those, but they aren't cheap and the design keeps drifting
> farther and farther from what I like. Thanks to this list, I ordered a
> pair of Sabinos to check them out, and they just arrived today. I
> tried them on and immediately went back to the computer to order
> another pair.
>
> Look for me in a pair of nice, wide Sabinos in northern Washington
> this summer, along with everyone else who is choosing revisit that
> most excellent section of the best trail ever.
>
> Twodog
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 37
> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 12:30:27 -0800
> From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] San Gorgonio Pass to Hwy 74 (Pines to Palms
> Highway)
> To: "'Devon Taig'" <devon.taig at gmail.com>, "'pct-l'"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BAY145-ds1702C3ED76C6758F74D84CBDC20 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Devon wrote:
> >
> I have 7 days next week, and am seriously considering a (largely) snow-shoe
> journey consisting of the 60 miles or so between Interstate 10 (San
> Gorgonio
> Pass) and Hwy 74 (Pine to Palms). My guess is that at least 75% of this
> will be under snow. I haven't been up there in 20 years so my memory is a
> little sketchy on what to expect. I remember something dark and foreboding
> about Fuller Ridge though. I'll be taking a GPS with Halfmile's GPS tracks
> / waypoints loaded, so even if there isn't a trail visible, I'm hoping not
> to get too far off route.
> >
>
> I haven't been through there when it's under snow so my comments are based
> on hear-say throughout the years. That said, I'm thinking it wouldn't be
> an
> easy trip.
>
> The whole area just got a lot of new snow recently. If it remains fairly
> soft and unconsolidated and you have to break trail, then 10 mpd is going
> to
> be a workout. Be prepared for lower mileage than you expect.
>
> On the other hand, if that snow does what it often does in that area and
> goes through a series of melt-freeze cycles, then you're looking at
> extremely steep, very icy traverses, the kind where you want full
> mountaineering crampons, ice axe, and the experience to use them
> effectively. SoCal gets more than its fair share of deaths from people
> falling off icy peaks.
>
> Bottom line: sounds like an interesting experiment but I'd suggest going
> into it fully prepared to bail if the conditions don't match what you
> expected.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 38
> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 22:37:58 -0700
> From: Jason Moores <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] San Gorgonio Pass to Hwy 74 (Pines to Palms
> Highway)
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> One more thought:
>
> Halfmile maps are great for navigation on SJ but I found the Tom Harrison
> series map for the mountain to be very useful. The TH map folds out to show
> the whole mountain which made for better line of sight navigation. I
> believe
> that they sell for $8-$9..
>
> Jackass
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Jason Moores <jmmoores1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I would think that the snow cover would be 100% from Apache to Black
> > Mountain Road. I would definitely call about avalanche conditions, the
> trail
> > stays on the north/eastern exposure along the last mile and a half.
> >
> > Last year the trail was 98% under snow when we crossed, we had little
> > problem holding to the route, but it was all consolidated with no real
> > avalanche exposure. Due to the steepness of the terrain along the Castle
> > section of the ridge many hikers chose to just stick to the top of the
> ridge
> > and didn't bother to follow the trail route.
> >
> > Having done Fuller from both directions I found southbound the easiest
> for
> > route finding but Halfmile is right about the climb, though I would
> rather
> > walk up to the ridge instead of down to Snow Canyon. Two of my hiking
> > partners had shinsplints by the time we reached the water fountain. It's
> a
> > grind ether direction, but what a view! San Jacinto is one of my favorite
> > places, I wish I was going with you.
> >
> > Jackass
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Halfmile <list at lon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Devon,
> >> Sounds like a fun adventure to me.
> >>
> >> A couple of comments:
> >> If you hiked northbound from Hwy 74 you would have 3,500 feet less
> >> climbing and a more gradual climb to start. You would also have the
> >> option of bailing down the Spitler Peak trail and walking an alternate
> >> route into Idyllwild (see my Section B Maps) if the you decide you are
> >> not comfortable going on when you get to Apache Peak.
> >>
> >> You could run into ice and want crampons/ice axe. They might have more
> >> info here:
> >> http://www.mtsanjacinto.info/
> >>
> >> -Halfmile
> >> www.pctmap.net
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Devon Taig <devon.taig at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > I have 7 days next week, and am seriously considering a (largely)
> >> snow-shoe
> >> > journey consisting of the 60 miles or so between Interstate 10 (San
> >> Gorgonio
> >> > Pass) and Hwy 74 (Pine to Palms). My guess is that at least 75% of
> this
> >> > will be under snow. I haven't been up there in 20 years so my memory
> is
> >> a
> >> > little sketchy on what to expect. I remember something dark and
> >> foreboding
> >> > about Fuller Ridge though. I'll be taking a GPS with Halfmile's GPS
> >> tracks
> >> > / waypoints loaded, so even if there isn't a trail visible, I'm hoping
> >> not
> >> > to get too far off route.
> >> >
> >> > Would anyone care to comment on the fool-hardiness of this endeavor
> >> (e.g.
> >> > "we'll try not to trip over your body when we hike by in May")? I'm
> >> > wondering specifically about avalanche potential and snow-shoe
> traverses
> >> > along and across steep slopes. I'm normally comfortable walking 20
> miles
> >> a
> >> > day, so hopefully 10 mpd won't be more than I can handle in snow.
> >> >
> >> > Devon
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> Message: 39
> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:51:07 -0800 (PST)
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Fw: Sleeping bag liner
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> During the past few weeks there has been a lot of discussion regarding
> sleeping
> bags and various kinds of sleeping pads and inflatable air mattresses.? I
> didn't
> recall any mention of sleeping bag liners.?For my rides in?2008 and 2009 I
> brought a sleeping bag LINER that I bought at REI. It is called a Cocoon.?I
> will
> be bringing it again this summer.
>
> The use I have had for it are:? 1)?Of course, by lining my down bag it
> helps to
> keep it clean.?And the liner is very easy to rinse out on the trail - it
> drys
> quickly. I don't use soap.?2)? It provides an extra layer for warmth and if
> it
> is really cold you can sleep in your clothes without bringing trail dirt
> into
> your bag.? 3)? If it is?a warm night I sometimes slept in just the liner on
> top
> of my bag - if it became cooler later?I could easily slip into my ?bag.
>
> It only weighs 8 ounces.
>
> MendoRider/Ed Anderson
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 40
> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:05:12 -0600
> From: "CHARLES MILLER" <chuck-miller at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Email
> To: "pct" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <96B3479EE04B442685A857C71CF94EB1 at ChuckMillerPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I have suddenly stopped receiving PCT email from backcountry.
>
> How do I get started again?
>
> Chuck-miller at earthlink.net
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 41
> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 14:37:41 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Fw: Sleeping bag liner
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <480132.1413.qm at web110016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 5:36:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sleeping bag liner
>
>
> Ed,
>
> easy to shrug off 8 ounces for you... you had a horse to carry it !
>
>
> i used a liner in 2010, and will not use one in 2011. i was plenty warm
> without
> it ... as for a dirty sleeping bag, i have a top quilt, so dirt etc. is
> not
> trapped in the bag.
>
> my top quilt weighs 19 ounces, so splurging for a liner was way too much
> weight. i'd be better off putting 8 more ounces down in the top quilt.
>
> ~Paul
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 4:19:59 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Sleeping bag liner
>
> Hi All,
>
> During the past few weeks there has been a lot of discussion regarding
> sleeping
> bags and various kinds of sleeping pads and inflatable air mattresses. I
> didn't
>
> recall any mention of sleeping bag liners. For my rides in 2008 and 2009 I
> brought a sleeping bag LINER that I bought at REI. It is called a Cocoon. I
> will
>
> be bringing it again this summer.
>
> The use I have had for it are: 1) Of course, by lining my down bag it
> helps to
> keep it clean. And the liner is very easy to rinse out on the trail - it
> drys
> quickly. I don't use soap. 2) It provides an extra layer for warmth and if
> it
> is really cold you can sleep in your clothes without bringing trail dirt
> into
> your bag. 3) If it is a warm night I sometimes slept in just the liner on
> top
> of my bag - if it became cooler later I could easily slip into my bag.
>
> It only weighs 8 ounces.
>
> MendoRider/Ed Anderson
>
>
>
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> Message: 42
> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 14:38:50 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] budget gear list for pct?
> To: Gary Swing <homelessontherange at yahoo.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <586876.62161.qm at web110008.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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>
> before this goes too far,
>
> the OP isn't planning on bringing an actual machete is he ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gary Swing <homelessontherange at yahoo.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 5:52:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] budget gear list for pct?
>
> Whereabouts do you live? And when are you starting out on the PCT?
>
> I'm in Denver and I've found a lot of good deals at seasonal gear sales.
> The
> Colorado Mountain Club has gear swaps in the spring and fall. REI stores
> have
> member only gear sales that are kind of hit or miss. Other mountaineering
> stores
> sometimes have seasonal gear swaps. Denver has Wilderness Exchange. Boulder
> has
> Neptune Mountaineering. If you live in a metropolitan area, I'd suggest
> checking
> with local mountaineering/outdoor gear stores and any large local hiking
> club to
> see if they have used gear sales before your departure date. If you have
> any
> backpacking gear manufacturers based near you, you might check if they have
> special gear sales, too. GoLite is based about 30 miles from me and they
> have
> periodic gear sale days with deep discounts on backpacks and tents. Also,
> try
> looking on Craigs List, or forums of hiking clubs. I've gotten most of my
> gear,
> including clothing, tents, and backpacks at local gear exchanges. I found a
> Big
> Agnes SL2 tent
> cheaply at the Price Insanity website a few years ago, but had to backorder
> it.
>
> There are plenty of used machetes in Rwanda that you could probably buy
> cheaply,
> but the shipping costs may be prohibitive, and you should clean off the
> dried
> blood thoroughly. If you're flying, remember to put the machetes in your
> checked
> luggage. Don't try to carry them onboard. However, you probably won't need
> machetes on the PCT unless you end up with particularly irritating hiking
> partners, or you have an insatiable bloodlust.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 3/3/11, Zack Ziegler <zrziegler at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Zack Ziegler <zrziegler at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] budget gear list for pct?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 2:11 PM
>
> i'm paying for myself and a friend to hike the pct. so budget is key. know
> where
>
> to find some used gear? tents, pack, machetes.
>
>
>
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> Message: 43
> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 15:33:50 -0800
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] test - ignore
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> I said, "ignore"
>
> :-)
>
>
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> Message: 44
> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 15:38:21 -0800
> From: Eric <johner27 at evergreen.edu>
> Subject: [pct-l] Weight question
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> But not packweight - this one is querying those experienced thru-hikers:
>
> Is it better to put on some bodyfat before hiking the trail? I can gain
> and
> lose weight pretty easily, so I was wondering if people found it was better
> to lose weight to have less to cart around on the trail, or to gain a bit
> of
> fat they could then burn off while hiking and not be as hungry/rely on if
> they didn't have enough food.
>
> Thoughts? Opinions?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Regards,
> Eric
>
> --
> Because we don't think about future generations, they will never forget us.
> ~Henrik Tikkanen
>
> ?The things you own end up owning you.?* -*Tyler Durden, *Fight Club*
>
> "The three most harmful addictions are heroin, carbohydrates, and a monthly
> salary."?David Hieatt
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 45
> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 15:53:24 -0800
> From: shelly skye <shelbel26 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] posts?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hi there. I haven't received any posts since yesterday and I wasn't able to
> access the site this morning. Does anyone know what is up? Or is it just
> me... Thanks.
> Shelly
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 46
> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 13:34:35 -0500
> From: hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Warner Springs Resort
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>
> FYI: I got my PCT reservation at Warner Springs. The PCT discount is
> $76.00 per night (I think that is what she said). I will be there
> Wednesday, April 27 and Thursday, April 28. Should be copious amounts of
> fun. I will be out on the road/trail helping hikers with cool pastries,
> etc. Nice and fattening for power on the trail.
>
> On Friday I will make my grand entrance to the Kickoff. :-)
>
> Your obedient servant.
>
> Switchback the Trail Pirate
>
>
>
>
> =
>
>
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