[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 42, Issue 9

Thu Jun 9 13:08:36 CDT 2011

Any info on the fires at lake Isabella?

Johanna

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>   1. Estimated snow levels mid July: I-80 to Burney Falls (Jan)
>   2. Doing the pacific coast trail on horseback
>      (jackson_logan at hotmail.co.uk)
>   3. Re: hiker trash (THE JOHN LOVES)
>   4. SoBo Border crossing???? (Spring)
>   5. Re: Snow (robwid at comcast.net)
>   6. Getting to the trail from Inyokern (pct-l at hradecky.net)
>   7. Re: Doing the pacific coast trail on horseback (Sir Mix-a-lot)
>   8. Re: Snow (CHUCK CHELIN)
>   9. Re: Getting to the trail from Inyokern (Edward Anderson)
>  10. Re: SoBo Border crossing???? (Brick Robbins)
>  11. The thaw is On! (ned at mountaineducation.org)
>  12. Re: SoBo Border crossing???? (Eric Lee)
>  13. Re: Doing the pacific coast trail on horseback (Eric Lee)
>  14. Re: 2011 SOBO census (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 21:33:29 -0700
>From: "Jan" <long2hike at hotmail.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Estimated snow levels mid July: I-80 to Burney Falls
>To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>Can the future be estimated?  I would like to hike I-80 to Burney Falls starting mid July.  Given the current snow levels I am thinking this is unrealistic.  Would the beginning of August be doable?  Since I am recovering from a broken ankle Jan 1, 2011, I am not interested in post-holing or slogging through the snow.  I called the national forest at Lake Tahoe.  They said the snow was five feet deep at 1000-2000 feet elevation, and that they were about a month behind schedule.  So, what are your opinions?  When will the trail there be relatively snow free?  I thought about reversing the hike, but I don?t think I would gain anything.  Waiting until August to decide is not an option as I need to plan and make travel arrangements.  And, I would rather not hike in September as it is colder and the days are shorter.  
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>Thanks,
>Jan
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>Message: 2
>Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 10:37:32 +0100
>From: jackson_logan at hotmail.co.uk 	<jackson_logan at hotmail.co.uk>
>Subject: [pct-l] Doing the pacific coast trail on horseback
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>Hi guys,
>
>I am wondering if anyone here can give me some information on doing the trail on horseback. Any information would be very gratefully received from whether its best to buys horses or if its possible to lease them as it were. 
>Thanks guys
>
>Logan 
>
>Sent from my HTC
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>Message: 3
>Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:56:55 +0000
>From: THE JOHN LOVES <jloveusmc at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiker trash
>To: <dsaufley at sprynet.com>, <charles.doersch at gmail.com>,
>	<jomike at cot.net>
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>Wow, that is an awesome email--well contemplated, well said.  My 24-year-old, wonderful son (trail name "Push") is on the thru-trail, and I hope to high heaven he is not one of these hiker trash people.  I sincerely doubt it, but loving mothers can be delirious.  Thank you all for what you do, and I personally despise and reject the trash, all the time sincerely appreciating those who continue to care for the people on the trail.  Thank you.
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>> From: dsaufley at sprynet.com
>> To: charles.doersch at gmail.com; jomike at cot.net
>> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 10:12:28 -0700
>> CC: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiker trash
>> 
>> If you are going to host hikers, you are going to have hiker trash. I find
>> the outrage about hikers behaving like human beings to be misplaced. Any
>> expectation that they are perfect models of cleanliness or consideration is
>> flatly wrong. They are probably slobs in their own homes and in their
>> mother's homes too. My son has been a total slob in my home, despite my
>> admonitions, though the Army helped him immensely in this regard. For all
>> we know the hikers' mothers or family are slobs. My son has friends whose
>> parents are hoarders and live in squalor. How could their offspring have
>> learned differently? 
>> 
>> Individuals tend to be more conscientious about leaving things neat and in
>> order. Groups are something else altogether. Everyone thinks someone else
>> is drinking that abandoned drink, or eating from that plate of food sitting
>> on the table. Oddly, they ARE being considerate of others by leaving it
>> there. If you're lucky, there's someone in the group (typically young women
>> but not always) who will take responsibility for cleaning up. But you can't
>> count on that. Some twenty-something kid's idea of clean and my idea of
>> clean are definitely not the same.
>> 
>> My dad had a saying that has helped me mentally in dealing with hiker and
>> their trash: if you want something done the way you want it done, you have
>> to do it yourself. No one else knows what you want unless you instruct them.
>> I don't have the time to train everyone that comes through on how I want
>> things cleaned, so I've found it easier to handle cleaning myself. The past
>> few years I've had volunteers who've stayed during the season to help with
>> the cleaning and laundry chores. They've been an absolute godsend. 
>> 
>> There is another popular saying that is also applicable: if you can't stand
>> the heat, get out of the kitchen. 
>> 
>> L-Rod
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
>> On Behalf Of Charles Doersch
>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 4:37 PM
>> To: jomike at cot.net
>> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiker trash
>> 
>> Has anyone seen the film _Dogville_? It might relate, I think, to this
>> question of some folks taking advantage of generosity and grace. I teach at
>> the university, and an important challenge each year with my freshmen is
>> teaching my students that as young adults they now live in a world where
>> there are consequences. One way I can do that for them as a professor is to
>> hold them accountable and not shelter them from the consequences of their
>> behavior. I notice how little understanding some of my students have of
>> consequences. They want to be treated as adults -- until they want to be
>> "taken care of." No, I say, you can't have it both ways. Grace is
>> reciprocal.
>> 
>> I also recognize that as they pass through university, the best of them come
>> to respect those who hold them accountable for their achievement, their
>> successes, and for their failures. Some people just don't respect a kind and
>> caring heart.
>> 
>> I rather think the trail community hasn't "created" or fostered young men
>> who don't have common courtesy -- perhaps, among the many grateful, gracious
>> hikers on the PCT, there will inevitably and always be some who are
>> attracted to folks who dole out goodies, and take advantage, as long as
>> there are no consequences. So yes, PCT Mom, some of these guys and gals
>> would indeed be (and are) slobs in their parents' homes. If they can get
>> away with it.
>> 
>> But, since I'm still a PCT virgin (2012 here we come), I have no
>> constructive or practical insight, I think, on how there can be
>> consequences. The PCT trail culture is still something I have only read
>> about.
>> 
>> ~Charles & the gang.
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 4:25 PM, <jomike at cot.net> wrote:
>> 
>> > You wouldn't be a slob in your
>> > Mom's or Gramma's house. Don't do it out here.
>> >
>> > PCT MOM
>> > ---------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > You're more of an optimist than I about this issue...I believe they would
>> > be just as inappropriate, by our standards, at their family's homes. I
>> think
>> > "we", the trail community at large, have created mainly young men who do
>> > feel they are some how above what we'd call common courtesy. There is
>> > absolutely no denying that they will have accomplished something very few
>> > people can/will do, none-the-less, it exempts them from nothing. They
>> should
>> > not feel exempt from trail work, thank you, LNT ethics, and to simply
>> > cleaning up after themselves.
>> >
>> > E-gads, I'm sounding old! (but I believe accurate)
>> >
>> > are we there yet
>> >
>> >
>> > ...going to the mountains is going home.
>> >
>> > John Muir
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>Message: 4
>Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 11:17:46 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Spring <kjssail at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] SoBo Border crossing????
>To: PCT LIST <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>Hi -? So I am thinking of hiking SoBo from the US/Canadian border.? Anybody with recent experience hiking SoBo that can tell me about what is or isn't being enforced??? 
>Thanks, Spring
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>Message: 5
>Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 02:41:24 +0000 (UTC)
>From: robwid at comcast.net
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snow
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: robwid at comcast.net 
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net 
>Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2011 7:10:26 PM 
>Subject: Snow 
>
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>My wife and I are planning to hike the Oregon section of the PCT beginning this July 15th at the Ore/Calif boarder. With the heavy snow this year would anyone like to speculate about the trail conditions as we begin our hike. Will the trail still be under snow? 
>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:00:09 -0400
>From: pct-l at hradecky.net
>Subject: [pct-l] Getting to the trail from Inyokern
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>Hi all -
>I will by flying into the Inyokern airport on Sat June 25th (landing
>at 11:45 am) and I am looking into my options of getting to the trail,
>either at Walker Pass or Kennedy Meadows. Is there somebody in a
>similar situation who would like to pool resources? Does somebody have
>any good advice on transportation in that area? (I found a cab in
>Ridgecrest that may be an option, if hitching doesn't work out.)
>Btw, I will be hiking north for about 5 weeks, looking forward to
>meeting some of you guys on the trail!
>Vit
>
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>Message: 7
>Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:56:52 -0700
>From: Sir Mix-a-lot <atetuna at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Doing the pacific coast trail on horseback
>To: "jackson_logan at hotmail.co.uk" <jackson_logan at hotmail.co.uk>
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <BANLkTiki2y_HbZVRg3Tf2XzGd-7XFSF=8Q at mail.gmail.com>
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>On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:37 AM, jackson_logan at hotmail.co.uk <
>jackson_logan at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
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>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I am wondering if anyone here can give me some information on doing the
>> trail on horseback. Any information would be very gratefully received from
>> whether its best to buys horses or if its possible to lease them as it were.
>> Thanks guys
>>
>> Logan
>>
>> Sent from my HTC
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