[pct-l] Bag/Quilt Warmth

Mon Jul 18 23:22:01 CDT 2011

Hi Steel-Eye,

I haven't experienced the problem that you describe.  You must move around in your sleep more than I do. The liner definitely helps to keep the inside of my bag clean. And I do rinse it out and take a shower fairly often while on the trail. Since I travel on the PCT with a horse-companion, we mostly live on the trail.  I try to reach camp early to give Primo plenty of time to graze.  I also take my "0" days near the trail (preferably out of sight of it) rather than where the hikers camp.  I think perhaps you like the accumulation of "human smell" inside your bag because you believe that it keeps the wild bears away. . . . . . . . and, you save the weight of the mothballs that I carry.

I say, keep on doing whatever works for you.

MendoRider

From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
To: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bag/Quilt Warmth

Good evening, MendoRider,
I don’t know how you do it.  Because people – apparently people who sell the things -- say they are a good idea, at various times I’ve tried a flannel bag liner, a silk bag liner, and a nylon bag liner.  Unfortunately, as I move around inside the bag at night they all ended up getting twisted around me like a cocoon around a caterpillar.  I even had one equipped with little ties to attach it along the zipper-edges of the bag and it REALLY got me twisted.  About 1 hour into the first night I used that thing I ripped it out and never used it again.  
I also question the supposed gains in insulating value.  I’m a big supporter of using the loft dimension for judging insulation.  For me the critical areas for insulation are where the bag/robe drapes over my shoulder and upper arm, and over my hip and upper thigh. The popular, thin liners will be trapped between my body and the inside of the bag, adding approximately 0.0015 inches of loft which hardly seems to justify the associated 4-5 ounces of weight increase. 
However, some people like them – and they probably do keep the bag cleaner – so give one a try.  For me, I’ve been there, done that, and survived the aggravation
Steel-Eye
-Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT – 1965
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On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com> wrote:

The best combination is to bring a 20 degree bag and also a 4.7 ounce silk sleeping bag liner. That's what I bring.  Then, effectively, you have a 10 degree bag and a 30 degree bag as well as the 20 degree bag.  The liner is rated at 9.5 degrees of warmth.  Sleep in just liner on top of your bag on a warm night. Use the liner on a cold night.  The liner keeps the inside of your bag clean and is easy to rinse and dries quickly.
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>MendoRider
>From: Austin Williams <austinwilliams123 at gmail.com>
>To: John Abela <abela at johnabela.com>; pct-l at backcountry.net
>Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 9:57 AM
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bag/Quilt Warmth
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>According to the polls (http://planyourhike.com/polls/), 20 degrees F seems
>to be the most popular.
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>I personally used a 15 degree Marmot Helium (~2lbs) and loved it.
>
>Austin Williams
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>On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:58 PM, John Abela <abela at johnabela.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I just wanted to throw out a question and see what everybody feels
>> about the issue of what temp bag/quilt you feel you should would use
>> on the PCT if you were to (re)hike it in the next year or two.
>>
>> I realize that some folks sleep warm and some sleep cold, so my
>> question is here is specifically what would *you* use?
>>
>> I also realize that a person could take a 40 degree bag and use it in
>> combination with a WM/MB down jacket/pants to get a sub-freezing
>> rating, so if you feel that is what you would do, by all means, share
>> that as well.
>>
>> I will admit that, for me, this is perhaps one of the hardest issues I
>> face each time I am planning a trip. I am often torn between whether I
>> should take my highly beloved MontBell UL SuperSpiral #3 (a 30f bag)
>> or my Nunatak Arc Ghost (32f quilt). I really really love my MBULSS
>> but at 21 ounces verses 13 ounces for my Arc, its often a hard choice
>> for me unless I know for sure its going to get sub freezing, at which
>> point the MBULSS goes w/o hesitation.
>>
>> So, anyway, just wondering "if you were going to hike the PCT next
>> year, which temperature bag would you take?"
>>
>> This is not a "what brand/model bag/quilt would you take"... but
>> rather a "what temperature bag/quilt would you take" question - I
>> think that is more important than the name on the bag/quilt, eh!
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
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