[pct-l] going for it 2011

[reed gokey]

hey guys
section hiker here in oregon looking to thru this year was wondering if there was anybody heading to the kickoff from the northwest who would want to rideshare ill pay for a share of the gas of course, this thread has already been a big help for gear and desert info thanks guys.
reed 
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>    1. hiker smell (lavilin) (shelly skye)
>    2. Re: How many? (albert at survivalcrafters.com)
>    3. Successful Thru hikers -annually (enyapjr at comcast.net)
>    4. Re: AA battery cell phone chargers
> (Paul Robison)
>    5. Re: Successful Thru hikers -annually
> (Paul Robison)
>    6. Re: Bear Cans (albert at survivalcrafters.com)
>    7. Re: Erik the Black's Maps (dnlcyclone at aol.com)
>    8. Re: Energy bars at whole sale-2 (Trekker4 at aol.com)
>    9. Re: Successful Thru hikers -annually
> (Andrea Dinsmore)
>   10. Re: Mice (Brick Robbins)
>   11. Re: Successful Thru hikers -annually (Paul
> Bodnar)
>   12. Re: Energy bars at whole sale (Paul Robison)
>   13. Re: Bear Cans (Paul Robison)
>   14.   Bear Cans (Tow, Doug)
>   15. Washing Self and Clothes (CHUCK CHELIN)
>   16. Re: Lets Talk High-End Watches (Paul Robison)
>   17. Re: Bear Cans (CHUCK CHELIN)
>   18. Re: Bear Cans (jamesfmiller at hotmail.com)
>   19. Re: Energy bars at whole sale (Paul Robison)
>   20. Re: 103 days to go...... (Paul Robison)
>   21. Re: So. Calif. Desert Water Caches (Eugene
> Leafty)
>   22. Re: hiker smell (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara
> Hikes)
>   23. underwear on the trail? (Michael Pinkus)
>   24. Re: Lets Talk High-End Watches (Paul Robison)
>   25. 2 person stove setup (Mike)
>   26. Re: underwear on the trail? (Paul Robison)
>   27. Re: Mice (Brick Robbins)
>   28. Re: 103 days to go...... (Alphabetsoup)
>   29. Re: Lets Talk High-End Watches (Yoshihiro
> Murakami)
>   30. Alcohol stoves (Colin Stryker)
>   31. Re: underwear on the trail? (Eric Lee)
>   32. Re: 2010 thru hiker updates - PCT Blues
>       (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
>   33.  2 person stove setup (Deems)
>   34. Re: 2 person stove setup (Paul Robison)
>   35. Re: 2 person stove setup (James F. Miller)
>   36. Re: Alcohol stoves (Paul Robison)
>   37. Re: 2 person stove setup (Kevin Cook)
>   38. Re: 2 person stove setup (Robert Bellingham)
>   39. Re: Bear Cans (Ken Powers)
>   40. Message for Iceaxe (Robert Bellingham)
>   41. Re: 2 person stove setup (James F. Miller)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 10:03:24 -0800
> From: shelly skye <shelbel26 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] hiker smell (lavilin)
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I looked on their site and see that the product doesn't use
> aluminum and
> that it claims to control the bacteria that makes the
> smell, but doesn't
> claim to inhibit sweat which is also important to me. The
> trial sizes are
> good for any situation where you don't want to take the
> larger jar. The only
> downside I can see is using yet another plastic container
> when not
> necessary, which is not a particularly sound ecological
> practice. However,
> once you have the small containers you can re-use them if
> you want to do so.
> This stuff really works.
> And no, I don't work for them ;-}
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 10:08:52 -0800
> From: <albert at survivalcrafters.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] How many?
> To: <dvsteven at hotmail.com>,   
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <139629612B4141DE9421EC606519217B at TOSH1>
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> 
> 
> I found this list on the PCT site awhile back and found it
> interesting from
> a historical perspective. I suppose it only shows hikers
> that registered
> with pcta.org but I'm not sure. 
> 
> http://www.pcta.org/about_trail/miler_list/
> 
> - Albert 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Steven dvsteven
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:24 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] How many?
> 
> 
> Does anyone have any idea how many people have (year/total)
> hiked the PCT?
> >From beginning to end?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Flying Tortoise    
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:10:15 +0000 (UTC)
> From: enyapjr at comcast.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Successful Thru hikers -annually
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> > Does anyone have any idea how many people have
> (year/total) hiked the PCT?  From beginning to end?
> 
> There really isn't a definitive answer - there is no
> 'official' record keeping...
> Also no requirement or serious request for thrus to 'report
> in' after their trek...
> Many hike 'under the radar' - they don't sign registers,
> have an online journal, nor tell the PCTA 
> of their successful trek...
> 
> One can, however, get somewhat of a perspective looking at
> <http://www.pcta.org/about_trail/miler_list/>...
> 
> It has also been stated in the past that more people have
> successfully summited Everest 
> than have thru-hiked the PCT...
> 
> Happy trails!!!
> Jim (PITA)
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:26:07 -0500
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] AA battery cell phone chargers
> To: "James F. Miller" <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <CF896C7A-B004-4154-ACFE-F7B326F3ACA2 at yahoo.com>
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> I use the similar product but it's 'igo' brand... 
> Weighs under 1 ounce and has functioned flawlessly , the
> advantage to Igo being that you just buy different tips for
> whatever you want to charge be it an iPod cell phone etc the
> tips weigh like8 grams
> ~ Paul
> Sent from my iPod
> 
> On 2011-01-13, at 11:51 AM, "James F. Miller" <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Anyone ever use one of these:
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.buy.com/prod/aa-battery-powered-emergency-cell-phone-charger-for-samsung-messager/q/sellerid/22498279/loc/111/210904163.html
> > 
> > 
> > how did it work         
>            
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:27:47 -0500
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Successful Thru hikers -annually
> To: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>,
>     "dvsteven at hotmail.com"
> <dvsteven at hotmail.com>
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> I know it's 300 a year for the pct, success rates vary
> wildly... For the at it's like1800 to 2500 depending which
> websight you believe : )
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
> On 2011-01-13, at 12:07 PM, Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > You're a congressman?!?!? Cool! ;)
> > 
> > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Steven dvsteven
> <dvsteven at hotmail.com>wrote:
> > 
> >> 
> >> Hi Mike and thanks for the response,
> >> 
> >> I was looking for totals of both last and all
> years.  On the AT they use
> >> trail registers (with one in the middle at
> Damacus) and a fact I had read
> >> (don't ask me where) it was said that there were
> less thru-hikers then there
> >> had been total members of congress (an elite group
> that I'm proud to be a
> >> part of).
> >> 
> >> Happy Trails,
> >> 
> >> Flying Tortoise
> >> 
> >>> Subject: Successful Thru hikers -annually
> >>> From: debrisflowavalanche at gmail.com
> >>> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 06:30:17 -0800
> >>> To: dvsteven at hotmail.com
> >>> 
> >>> Flying Tortoise, interesting question. I'm
> wondering if they use the
> >> trail register at either end of the PCT. I'm
> assuming you were wondering
> >> about last years hikers and not in general too.
> I'll be interest in what
> >> this number is for this year and how they obtain
> it since not everyone
> >> bothers with the registers and many hike sections
> which may not be specified
> >> in their entries all the time. Sorry I couldn't
> help!
> >>> 
> >>> Mike
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 10:54:36 -0800
> From: <albert at survivalcrafters.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear Cans
> To: "'Scott Williams'" <baidarker at gmail.com>,   
> "'CHUCK CHELIN'"
>     <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> 
> Good timing. I'm down to the final days of deciding between
> the Circuit and
> the Catalyst and was just going to check on the bear-can
> fits. The ad on the
> ULA site for the Catalyst says that it's "bear canister
> friendly" and it
> doesn't say that on the Circuit (which I realize doesn't
> mean much because
> it's just and ad) but I was glad to see your post. Can you
> post a link to
> steeleye's site and tell me which canister it is that fits
> horizontally in
> the Circuit?
> 
> Also, any pro/con opinions you have about these packs would
> be appreciated.
> >From all the research I've done it seems to come down
> to them being equal
> quality backpacks with the Catalyst having a little more
> weight with a lot
> more room. Reviews say some people tend to fill up the
> Catalyst with stuff
> they don't need just because they have that space available
> to fill. That's
> why I'm 97% decided on the Circuit but still lingering on
> that 3% of me
> saying "Just get the biggest one and don't use the extra
> space if you don't
> need it.", but I don't want to carry the extra weight of
> the pack itself
> just to have room available I may not need. Yeah, I'm a
> little stressed over
> this decision. (sigh) 
> 
> Thanks,
> Albert   
>  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Scott Williams
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:15 PM
> To: CHUCK CHELIN
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear Cans
> 
> Good info on your site Steel-Eye.  The old black bear
> can in the picture is
> what I still use, and it fits inside of the ULA Circuit,
> horizontally.  Fit
> just perfectly above all the rest of my stuff.
> 
> Shroomer
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:04:25 -0500 (EST)
> From: dnlcyclone at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Erik the Black's Maps
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <8CD816BD426C102-1664-250 at Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
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> 
> Erik the Black's maps are excellent.  Why were people
> incredibly disappointed?  Everyone I've talked to
> that's used them have absolutely loved them.  Both
> Halfmile and Erik do a fine job with their maps.  I
> would encourage all those who haven't chosen their maps of
> choice to go to www.pacificcresttrailmap.com, and purchase
> Erik's maps while you can: he only has several left that he
> has reprinted while he stocks up for his 3rd edition
> incarnations that will be ready for 2012.  Erik's a
> great guy and has really done a nice job with these
> maps.  
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> David L.
> 
> 
> I have not hiked the entire trail yet, but I have hiked a
> lot of it using
> Eric the Black's PCT Atlas and I have nothing but positive
> things to say
> about it.  I also like Half-mile's maps.  Many
> times I use both of them.
> 
> I-Beam
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Paul Robison
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:28 AM
> To: Kea; mctanker at earthlink.net
> Cc: PCT-L at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Maps
> 
> the three people i hiked with who used eric the black's
> maps were incredibly
> 
> disappointed  in them.
> 
> i've yet to hear anything close to a positive review of
> them on the trail.
> ~Paul
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>  
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:21:42 -0500 (EST)
> From: Trekker4 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Energy bars at whole sale-2
> To: jomike at cot.net
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <d2408.71f79613.3a60aac5 at aol.com>
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> 
> I've had ProBars sit around for over 2 years and 
> taste fine to me; I keep 
> all hike food in the freezer or fridge most of the 
> time, regardless of what 
> brand or type of food it is. I eat 4 oz of Soya Kaas 
> (soy cheese) daily 
> when hiking; I've had it sit in the freezer for close to
> 2  years maybe, and 
> taste fine; I've had it be out of the freezer/fridge for
> at  least 3 weeks 
> one time, and it was fine. Even Kettle Extreme Trail Mix
> (the best  damn trail 
> mix around) keeps okay in the freezer. Thaw, pack, mail,
> put  burden on 
> back, and walk. 
>     I have over 30 days worth of hike food, in
> daily qt  ziplocks, sitting 
> in the freezer right now; I'll rebuild that to at least
> 80  days worth in 
> the next 6-7 weeks, and hope to start eating the oldest on
> the AZT  in Mar, 
> and on the NM CDT from Snow Lake north in Apr-May (Right
> now the Gilas  are at 
> 150% of normal snowpack, but it's way too early to
> extrapolate that to  
> Apr-May). 
>  
> Bob "Trekker"  Brewer
> Big Bend Desert Denizen, and...
> Naturalized Citizen - Republic of  Texas
> 
> "Government cripples you, then hands you a crutch and says,
> 'See,  if it 
> wasn't for us, you couldn't walk.' " -- Harry Browne
> 
> "If you think  health care is expensive now, wait
> until you see what it 
> costs when its free."  -- P J O'Rourke
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 1/13/2011 11:45:01 A.M. Central Standard
> Time,  
> jomike at cot.net
> writes:
> 
> Also, 20% discount by the case from REI.
> 
> Bob "Trekker"   Brewer
> Naturalized Citizen - Republic of Texas
> ______________________________________
>  
> Can any body tell me how long  they remain fresh? If
> you buy now will they 
> be some what soft, or hard as a  rock come April/May?
>  
> are we there  yet
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ...going to the mountains is  going home.
>  
> John  Muir
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:42:55 -0800
> From: Andrea Dinsmore <andrea at dinsmoreshikerhaven.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Successful Thru hikers -annually
> To: enyapjr at comcast.net
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
>     <AANLkTimaSbiCvsGTL1d9wi17F23fpce1pMvEMVSPQHb2 at mail.gmail.com>
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> 
> I take pics of most and allowing for 3 that missed my
> camera we at least 300
> hikers last season. We also had 7 cross country cyclists. 2
> of those had
> been past hikers here. We had about 24? SOBO. The rest were
> mainly NOBO with
> a few section hikers.
> 
> Here's pics of all who came through here in 2010. You can
> tell by the photo
> date who's the early SOBO.
> 
> http://www.dinsmoreshikerhaven.com/GenWebPage.ihtml?formid=82
> 
> PCT MOM
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:55:07 -0800
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mice
> To: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
> Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> 
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I'm using a bucket for my bounce "box", but are you
> saying all food
> > shipments should be in a bucket?
> > That's going to increase the cost of shipping
> significantly.
> 
> I would suggest that shipments to any place that might have
> a rodent
> problem might be a good idea.
> 
> For example Muir Trail Ranch requires it.
> 
> I never had a problem with shipped food to Post Offices
> being
> bothered. I would imagine that Federal Postal Facilities
> probably have
> different standards for pest eradication than ranger's
> huts.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:00:50 -0500
> From: Paul Bodnar <paulbodnar at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Successful Thru hikers -annually
> Cc: pct-L backcountry.net <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BAY150-w8DF67FBAAE0D474E3CEA1D3F00 at phx.gbl>
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> 
> 
> I have looked at the success rate of thru-hikers by
> analyzing trail journals for the last few years.  In
> general the success rate for a thru-hiker is near 40%. 
> You can look at the study by looking at the link shown
> below.  I will be posting new data for the 2010 season
> shortly.  Preliminary results show an increase in the
> success rate to around 50% for thru-hikers in the 2010
> season.  Which appears to be a significant increase.
>  
> Exact totals are difficult to determine because people
> don't always sign the trail registers.  I'm guessing
> that there was about 500 permitted thru-hikers in 2010 so
> one can estimate (500 X 50%) about 250 thru-hikers finished
> in 2010.
>   
> http://hikethru.com/about-the-pct/thru-hike-success-rate
>  
> > >> I was looking for totals of both last and all
> years. 
>  
> Paul
>  
> hikethru.com    
>         
>           
>   
> 
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:29:29 -0500
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Energy bars at whole sale
> To: "jomike at cot.net"
> <jomike at cot.net>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>,
>     "<Trekker4 at aol.com>"
> <Trekker4 at aol.com>
> Message-ID: <7F0E50BA-736C-4A6D-A140-50C08D640FC8 at yahoo.com>
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> 
> I bought 640 larabars in def 2009 and I'm still eating
> them... Harder texture but still taste good and nit rancid
> 
> It will depend on he individual ingredients ... For which
> few beat larabar at the price point they sell at
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
> On 2011-01-13, at 12:44 PM, <jomike at cot.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > Also, 20% discount by the case from REI.
> > 
> > Bob "Trekker"  Brewer
> > Naturalized Citizen - Republic of Texas
> > ______________________________________
> > 
> > Can any body tell me how long they remain fresh? If
> you buy now will they be some what soft, or hard as a rock
> come April/May?
> > 
> > are we there yet
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ...going to the mountains is going home.
> > 
> > John Muir
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> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:33:02 -0500
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear Cans
> To: "<albert at survivalcrafters.com>"
> <albert at survivalcrafters.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net"
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> I LOVE my circuit... And have trouble filling it even with
> 5 liters of water and 5 days worth of food
> 
> It really is a lot of space,  I can't imagine how much
> space the bigger one must have
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
> On 2011-01-13, at 1:54 PM, <albert at survivalcrafters.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Good timing. I'm down to the final days of deciding
> between the Circuit and
> > the Catalyst and was just going to check on the
> bear-can fits. The ad on the
> > ULA site for the Catalyst says that it's "bear
> canister friendly" and it
> > doesn't say that on the Circuit (which I realize
> doesn't mean much because
> > it's just and ad) but I was glad to see your post. Can
> you post a link to
> > steeleye's site and tell me which canister it is that
> fits horizontally in
> > the Circuit?
> > 
> > Also, any pro/con opinions you have about these packs
> would be appreciated.
> >> From all the research I've done it seems to come
> down to them being equal
> > quality backpacks with the Catalyst having a little
> more weight with a lot
> > more room. Reviews say some people tend to fill up the
> Catalyst with stuff
> > they don't need just because they have that space
> available to fill. That's
> > why I'm 97% decided on the Circuit but still lingering
> on that 3% of me
> > saying "Just get the biggest one and don't use the
> extra space if you don't
> > need it.", but I don't want to carry the extra weight
> of the pack itself
> > just to have room available I may not need. Yeah, I'm
> a little stressed over
> > this decision. (sigh) 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Albert   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of Scott Williams
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:15 PM
> > To: CHUCK CHELIN
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear Cans
> > 
> > Good info on your site Steel-Eye.  The old black
> bear can in the picture is
> > what I still use, and it fits inside of the ULA
> Circuit, horizontally.  Fit
> > just perfectly above all the rest of my stuff.
> > 
> > Shroomer
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> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:51:36 -0800
> From: "Tow, Doug" <DTow at americanriverbank.com>
> Subject: [pct-l]   Bear Cans
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> This is not a direct response to the pack models cited, but
> I have a
> BV500 that fits fine in my Osprey Kestrel 68, either
> vertically or
> horizontally should I not choose to have it on the
> outside.  The Kestrel
> 68 is very light for not being ultralight, and has the fit
> necessary to
> my 6'5", long torso, more than 36 inch waist frame. 
> The backpanel on
> the Kestrel is such that the bear can will not telegraph
> through to my
> back in any position.
>  
> For what it's worth...
>  
> Doug Tow
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> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:04:00 -0800
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Washing Self and Clothes
> To: PCT listserve <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Good afternoon, All,
> 
> Personal grooming is one?s own decision; I can only
> describe what I do --
> how and why.
> 
> 
> 
> Much hiker odor is the result of the fabric in one?s
> garments.  Some fabrics
> retain and exacerbate odor, while other fabrics seem to
> tolerate and even
> suppress odor.  I don?t know exactly which fabric is
> which without
> experimenting, but as I recall there is some kind of
> technical explanation.
>  I do know that some of the earlier poly fabrics got really
> funky, really
> quickly.  Over the years, that attribute of poly
> fabrics kept me wearing
> wool far longer than I could have.
> 
> 
> 
> I don?t carry many redundant garments on the trail.  I
> have one poly
> tee-shirt, one pair of light athletic shorts which have a
> built-in jock
> liner, 2-3 pairs of socks, a handkerchief, one ?Class of?
> bandana, and one
> broad-brimmed hat.  I have no ?town clothes?.
> 
> 
> 
> On the trail, most of my clothes washing is really clothes
> rinsing.  I
> seldom get things as clean as Mom would want, but for
> hiking comfort I find
> it?s important to rinse the residual perspiration salt from
> my clothes ? and
> usually there?s quite a lot of it.
> http://www.trailjournals.com/photos.cfm?id=258181 
> For this purpose plain
> water is excellent.  Salt has a great affinity for
> moisture, and if it were
> left in the fabric the garment would almost immediately
> feel clammy,
> regardless of how clean the skin may be.
> 
> 
> 
> When I have an opportunity to bathe ? on the trail or in
> town ? I do so
> either wearing my shorts and tee-shirt, or ? modesty
> permitting ? I remove
> those garments and wash them along with my skin; often
> using the items as
> washcloths.  Sometimes I just continue hiking with the
> clothes dripping wet
> ? and mercifully cool.  Other times I wring them out
> so they can very
> quickly dry while I?m wearing them; that?s in town or on
> the trail.
> 
> 
> 
> I carry Purrell-type gel and/or cleansing wipe packets for
> day-to-day
> clean-up.  They reduce stink as well as reduce the
> possibility of becoming
> sick.  At a resupply point I receive ? or buy ? a
> fresh batch of Purrell or
> wipes.  As a result, at some convenient place just
> before hitching to town
> or otherwise entering polite company, I exhaust my
> remaining supply of
> cleaning supplies in an attempt to reduce the funk to
> socially-acceptable
> maximum.  My nose isn?t the best judge so just in case
> my cleaning is
> ineffective I try to stay down-wind, and sit in the back
> seat with the
> windows open.
> 
> 
> 
> It?s well known that most male hikers let their facial
> whiskers grow during
> a hike; shaving seldom, if ever.  That?s no change for
> me since I have
> whiskers of varying length all the time, but for the female
> long-distance
> hikers the situation is a bit different.  Many women
> make a significant
> departe? from American customs by not shaving legs and
> ?pits during a
> long-distance hike.  In fact, they seem to wear the
> ever-increasing fuzz as
> a thru-hikerette?s badge of honor; proudly ignoring the
> stares and gasps of
> the tourists, townies?, week-enders, and day-hikers.
> 
> 
> 
> Steel-Eye
> 
> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
> 
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> 
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:16:58 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lets Talk High-End Watches
> To: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>,
> PCT L
>     <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> 
> just happened to notice the pathfinder is deal of the week
> are REI like 89$ free 
> shipping no tax.
> 
> that's pretty good deal;   that said, 
> it is not functionally accurate in either 
> altitude or temperature.
> 
> but if you did want one you'd be hard pressed to find it
> for that price with a 
> money back unconditional return policy.
> http://www.rei.com/product/810885
> get one, try it, and send it back if you'd like...
> ~Paul
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
> To: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 5:19:53 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Lets Talk High-End Watches
> 
> Hey Everybody,
> 
> I have been wanting to bring this up for a few weeks.
> 
> I would like to know every bodies thoughts on the higher
> end watches like
> Suunto Core, Timex Expeditions, Casio Pathfinder and so
> forth.
> 
> None of these watches are cheap and some of them down-right
> crazy expensive
> (600+ for some).
> 
> Me personally, being on the trail I often times (most days)
> like to know the
> time, the date (hey, days get long sometimes on the trail,
> eh), what
> elevation I am at, and how freaking cold it is while I am
> all bundled up
> freezing and trying to sleep.
> 
> That said, a person can get by without knowing pretty much
> most of that -
> and some would say all of that.
> 
> 
> But, none the less, looking for thoughts from those of you
> who have dropped
> the money for some of these higher end watches.
> 
> If there was a way to get the Suunto Core to display the
> time & the
> temperature, I'd probably already own one. But, I don't
> want to fumble
> around when it is 3am and freezing with pressing buttons,
> just to see the
> time and temp.
> 
> John
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> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:25:39 -0800
> From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear Cans
> To: albert at survivalcrafters.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Good afternoon, Albert,
> 
> I usually hike with a rather small Go-Lite Breeze pack; one
> which is
> insufficiently wide at the bottom for a crosswise bear
> ?can.  Early tests
> indicated that crosswise was the best way to carry
> it.  As a result, for my
> first trip through the SIBBG-control area I changed to a
> larger, wider Glen
> Van Peski GVP-4 pack during resupply at Mojave.
> 
> 
> I like the pack well enough, and the ?can fit and rode well
> across the
> bottom, but overall it was much too large and seemed to
> hang like a
> half-empty sack most of the time.  Worse, with the
> hard can in the bottom
> against the pack?s fabric, every time I bumped the bottom
> or butt-scooted
> off a boulder, the fabric would get cut.  I remember
> spending quite a bit of
> time at VVR ,with the GVP-4 inside-out, applying Gorilla
> Tape to numerous
> cuts.
> 
> 
> 
> I subsequently experimented with the ?can standing upright
> inside the Breeze
> with soft stuff padding the bottom, and with the sleeping
> bag poked around
> it.
> 
> 
> 
> Steel-Eye
> 
> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
> 
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> 
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:54 AM, <albert at survivalcrafters.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Good timing. I'm down to the final days of deciding
> between the Circuit and
> > the Catalyst and was just going to check on the
> bear-can fits. The ad on
> > the
> > ULA site for the Catalyst says that it's "bear
> canister friendly" and it
> > doesn't say that on the Circuit (which I realize
> doesn't mean much because
> > it's just and ad) but I was glad to see your post. Can
> you post a link to
> > steeleye's site and tell me which canister it is that
> fits horizontally in
> > the Circuit?
> >
> > Also, any pro/con opinions you have about these packs
> would be appreciated.
> > From all the research I've done it seems to come down
> to them being equal
> > quality backpacks with the Catalyst having a little
> more weight with a lot
> > more room. Reviews say some people tend to fill up the
> Catalyst with stuff
> > they don't need just because they have that space
> available to fill. That's
> > why I'm 97% decided on the Circuit but still lingering
> on that 3% of me
> > saying "Just get the biggest one and don't use the
> extra space if you don't
> > need it.", but I don't want to carry the extra weight
> of the pack itself
> > just to have room available I may not need. Yeah, I'm
> a little stressed
> > over
> > this decision. (sigh)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Albert
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of Scott Williams
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:15 PM
> > To: CHUCK CHELIN
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear Cans
> >
> > Good info on your site Steel-Eye.  The old black
> bear can in the picture is
> > what I still use, and it fits inside of the ULA
> Circuit, horizontally.  Fit
> > just perfectly above all the rest of my stuff.
> >
> > Shroomer
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:28:43 -0800
> From: "jamesfmiller at hotmail.com"
> <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear Cans
> To: "Paul Robison"<paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>,
>     "<albert at survivalcrafters.com>"<albert at survivalcrafters.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> The BV 450/500 fits nicely horizontily in the bottom of the
> Catalyst . It  
> would have to be vertical in the Circuit.
> ..I believe 
> 
> 
> -----Original message-----
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> To: "<albert at survivalcrafters.com>"
> <albert at survivalcrafters.com>
> Cc: "pct-l at backcountry.net"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 13, 2011 21:33:02 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear Cans
> 
> I LOVE my circuit... And have trouble filling it even with
> 5 liters of water  
> and 5 days worth of food
> 
> It really is a lot of space,  I can't imagine how much
> space the bigger one  
> must have
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
> On 2011-01-13, at 1:54 PM, <albert at survivalcrafters.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Good timing. I'm down to the final days of deciding
> between the Circuit  
> and
> > the Catalyst and was just going to check on the
> bear-can fits. The ad on  
> the
> > ULA site for the Catalyst says that it's "bear
> canister friendly" and it
> > doesn't say that on the Circuit (which I realize
> doesn't mean much because
> > it's just and ad) but I was glad to see your post. Can
> you post a link to
> > steeleye's site and tell me which canister it is that
> fits horizontally in
> > the Circuit?
> > 
> > Also, any pro/con opinions you have about these packs
> would be  
> appreciated.
> >> From all the research I've done it seems to come
> down to them being equal
> > quality backpacks with the Catalyst having a little
> more weight with a lot
> > more room. Reviews say some people tend to fill up the
> Catalyst with stuff
> > they don't need just because they have that space
> available to fill.  
> That's
> > why I'm 97% decided on the Circuit but still lingering
> on that 3% of me
> > saying "Just get the biggest one and don't use the
> extra space if you  
> don't
> > need it.", but I don't want to carry the extra weight
> of the pack itself
> > just to have room available I may not need. Yeah, I'm
> a little stressed  
> over
> > this decision. (sigh) 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Albert   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of Scott Williams
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:15 PM
> > To: CHUCK CHELIN
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear Cans
> > 
> > Good info on your site Steel-Eye.  The old black
> bear can in the picture  
> is
> > what I still use, and it fits inside of the ULA
> Circuit, horizontally.   
> Fit
> > just perfectly above all the rest of my stuff.
> > 
> > Shroomer
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> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:52:20 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Energy bars at whole sale
> To: jomike at cot.net
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <961205.40265.qm at web110004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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> 
> Larabars are all natural,  minimally cooked health
> food bars.
> 
> they typically contain only 3 or 4 ingredients total, 
> are 110 to 120 calories 
> an ounce, and full of complex carbs and sugars;
> 
> and can be had for close to 1$ a bar on amazon
> !   i get them when they go on 
> sale ten for ten at walmart;  in a health food store
> they are like $1.79
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/Larabar-Fruit-Food-Cherry-1-7-Ounce/dp/B000ENWSBW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1294958911&sr=8-1
> 
> 
> they come in tons of flavours, and each one actually tastes
> differently...
> 
> ingredients like
> "Dates, almonds, Cherries"   ...and nothing
> else. are their real seling point,
> 
> give 'em a try ; )
> 
> ~Paul
> http://www.larabar.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: "jomike at cot.net"
> <jomike at cot.net>
> To: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 5:25:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Energy bars at whole sale
> 
> Paul,
> What's a larabar? I don't think I've heard of them.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> are we there yet
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Robison" <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> To: <jomike at cot.net>
> Cc: <Trekker4 at aol.com>;
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Energy bars at whole sale
> 
> 
> I bought 640 larabars in def 2009 and I'm still eating
> them... Harder 
> texture but still taste good and nit rancid
> 
> It will depend on he individual ingredients ... For which
> few beat larabar 
> at the price point they sell at
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
> On 2011-01-13, at 12:44 PM, <jomike at cot.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > Also, 20% discount by the case from REI.
> >
> > Bob "Trekker"  Brewer
> > Naturalized Citizen - Republic of Texas
> > ______________________________________
> >
> > Can any body tell me how long they remain fresh? If
> you buy now will they 
> > be some what soft, or hard as a rock come April/May?
> >
> > are we there yet
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ...going to the mountains is going home.
> >
> > John Muir
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> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:53:04 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 103 days to go......
> To: Whitnee Goode <whitneegoode at yahoo.com>,
> PCT-L at backcountry.net
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> 
> i have major cabin fever;  too cold to do anything
> outside and I'm loosing my 
> conditioning that i had built up so well.
> 
> forgive my irritability everyone, btw.   i
> don't do well in captivity.  2.5 
> months until the trail season begins !!~!~
> ~Paul
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Whitnee Goode <whitneegoode at yahoo.com>
> To: PCT-L at backcountry.net
> Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 11:57:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 103 days to go......
> 
> Oh gosh, it's horrible... I'm depressed, I'm not planning
> well, and I'm not 
> enjoying anything... I think I'm getting anxious. Won't be
> too long though!
> 
> --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Michael Pinkus <mikepinkus at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Michael Pinkus <mikepinkus at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] 103 days to go......
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 2:46 PM
> 
> 
> 
> Who else has cabin fever and itchy feet besides me?
> cheers,Mike             
>              
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> Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:13:54 -0800
> From: Eugene Leafty <atetuna at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] So. Calif. Desert Water Caches
> To: "'Pct-l'" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Here's how I look at it.
> 
> If the water report says there was recently a lot of water
> running at a
> creek, I trust that it will still be running when I get
> there.  Same with
> pipe springs.
> 
> I don't trust that unnatural water sources will have water
> left, even if the
> water report said it had plenty.  This includes
> caches, tanks and troughs.
> It just takes one greedy, sloppy or malicious person to
> mess these up.
> Unless I have the stamina to reach the next source without
> any water without
> a lot of discomfort, and I often do not, I'll carry extra
> water.
> 
> Two parting thoughts:
> 
> 1. Use the water report
> 
> 2. Update the water report
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 22
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:15:55 -0800
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] hiker smell
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> 
> I think I might have tried that Lavilin product, or
> something like  
> it, once. Is it a white cream?
> 
> I use baking soda in regular life. Just wet your pits and
> rub some  
> on. I've heard it has other uses on the trail, too, but I'm
> not sure  
> what for. Maybe teeth, but I've heard it will damage your
> teeth with  
> long-term use.
> 
> On Jan 13, 2011, at 10:00 AM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net
> wrote:
> 
> > My concern is it talks about controlling perspiration.
> I don't want  
> > to do
> > that! I just want to minimize my funk. :)
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:32 AM, shelly skye <shelbel26 at gmail.com> 
> 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I found this product which I use on the trail and
> at home. It is  
> >> called
> >> Lavilin and it is a cream which you only have to
> use every 5-7 days.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 23
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:24:15 -0800
> From: Michael Pinkus <mikepinkus at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] underwear on the trail?
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> 
> Hello All,This may seem like a dumb question but....does
> anyone wear underwear out there? I've recently been looking
> at shorts that have a very light mesh liner inside them and
> was considering these to wear and not underwear. Logic being
> hygiene and weight.
> thoughts?
> cheers,Mike    
>         
>           
>   
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 24
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:38:33 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lets Talk High-End Watches
> To: John Casterline <tnx4asking at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <581104.60794.qm at web110016.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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> 
> if you hang it off your pack the temperature would be
> accurate, but the altitude 
> would not.
> 
> ... the compass's have worked great,  as does the
> compass on my 22$ timex, btw.
> 
> for altitude, i did a 3 day, two night hike with my
> pathfinder... and when i 
> returned to my starting point my elevation was off 450 feet
> to what it said when 
> i started.  standing at the car,  exact same
> point.
> ... basically useless for any kind of navigating, 
> finding where you are on a 
> contour map etc.
> 
> i didn't use the suunto long enough to knwo how quickly it
> degrades, but it's 
> essentially the same sensor,  the only difference is,
> the altitude is 'locked' 
> when you are standing still ...  so weather changes
> while you sleep won't throw 
> it off come morning.  weather changes while you walk
> still will obviously.
> 
> by contrast my GPS not only shows me my elevation; 
> but it has halfmile's maps 
> on it,  so it shows me right where i am,  and
> says i am "mile 122.5,  6.7 miles 
> from next camp-sight,  and 3 hrs 22 minutes until
> sunset"  makes planning your 
> day a non issue.
> the convenience is awesome ...  i will carry it for
> the tougher sections and 
> bounce it ahead when i feel comfortable.
> 
> ~Paul
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: John Casterline <tnx4asking at gmail.com>
> To: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 6:08:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lets Talk High-End Watches
> 
> so if you want one that measures altitude fairly accurate,
> any suggestions?  How 
> bad is the accuracy of the pathfinder?
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> just happened to notice the pathfinder is deal of the week
> are REI like 89$ free
> >shipping no tax.
> >
> >that's pretty good deal;   that
> said,  it is not functionally accurate in 
> either
> >altitude or temperature.
> >
> >but if you did want one you'd be hard pressed to find
> it for that price with a
> >money back unconditional return policy.
> >http://www.rei.com/product/810885
> >get one, try it, and send it back if you'd like...
> >~Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> >From: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
> >To: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> >Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 5:19:53 PM
> >Subject: [pct-l] Lets Talk High-End Watches
> >
> >Hey Everybody,
> >
> >I have been wanting to bring this up for a few weeks.
> >
> >I would like to know every bodies thoughts on the
> higher end watches like
> >Suunto Core, Timex Expeditions, Casio Pathfinder and so
> forth.
> >
> >None of these watches are cheap and some of them
> down-right crazy expensive
> >(600+ for some).
> >
> >Me personally, being on the trail I often times (most
> days) like to know the
> >time, the date (hey, days get long sometimes on the
> trail, eh), what
> >elevation I am at, and how freaking cold it is while I
> am all bundled up
> >freezing and trying to sleep.
> >
> >That said, a person can get by without knowing pretty
> much most of that -
> >and some would say all of that.
> >
> >
> >But, none the less, looking for thoughts from those of
> you who have dropped
> >the money for some of these higher end watches.
> >
> >If there was a way to get the Suunto Core to display
> the time & the
> >temperature, I'd probably already own one. But, I don't
> want to fumble
> >around when it is 3am and freezing with pressing
> buttons, just to see the
> >time and temp.
> >
> >John
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> Message: 25
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:37:04 -0800
> From: Mike <fox15rider at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] 2 person stove setup
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> So I am torn up on what stove setup to bring..  Since
> there is two of us
> hiking, my soon to be wife and I.   I cant
> decide on an alcohol stove or a
> canister stove..   I would love to take an
> alcohol stove but I cant find
> one  or find a design that holds enough fuel to bring
> 4 cups of water to a
> boil..
> 
> The only reason I really don't like canister stoves is
> because you never
> know how much fuel you have left.. and if you are starting
> a section but
> have a half empty fuel bottle.. you still need a fresh one
> but will have to
> take the half empty as well to use it up.  With
> alcohol I like that you can
> start each section with a set amount of fuel and no half
> empty fuel
> bottles..
> 
> Any thoughts?
> Anyone know a good 2 person alcohol design?
> 
> Thanks
> Thumper and Stumbling Goat
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 26
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:45:05 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] underwear on the trail?
> To: Michael Pinkus <mikepinkus at hotmail.com>,
> pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <795952.28040.qm at web110007.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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> 
> before i got called crass,
> 
> my previous signature was "freeballing since 1983"
> 
> i think that says it all... waste of weight... less
> breathable
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Michael Pinkus <mikepinkus at hotmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 6:24:15 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] underwear on the trail?
> 
> 
> Hello All,This may seem like a dumb question but....does
> anyone wear underwear 
> out there? I've recently been looking at shorts that have a
> very light mesh 
> liner inside them and was considering these to wear and not
> underwear. Logic 
> being hygiene and weight.
> thoughts?
> cheers,Mike             
>              
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> Message: 27
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:55:57 -0800
> From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Mice
> To: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>,
> PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Contact VVR and see what they say.
> 
> I always used MTR which is right on the trail and doesn't
> require a
> boat ride (but they charge more) They are the ones that
> started the
> 5gallon bucked trend many years ago
> 
> I didn't have any packages molested by mice  in a post
> office, but I
> do recommend MARKING them in some way really really
> obvious, like
> yellow day-glo paint. Finding your among all the others can
> be an
> effort for some postmasters.
> 
> in one post office, the postmaster couldn't find mine till
> I mentioned
> the rainbow tape I had used to mark it.
> 
> I saw some boxes painted, and those stood out the best, and
> were
> probably the easiest to see, but mark ALL sides cause you
> don't know
> what side they will be able to see. And there are LOTS of
> boxes in
> some places.
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > ah OK. So for VVR I might want to use a bucket, but if
> all my other packages
> > are going to a PO, a box is sufficient, right?
> > I had just planned to line each box with a trash bag,
> and all the food will
> > of course also be individually bagged as well.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > I'm using a bucket for my bounce "box", but
> are you saying all food
> >> > shipments should be in a bucket?
> >> > That's going to increase the cost of shipping
> significantly.
> >>
> >> I would suggest that shipments to any place that
> might have a rodent
> >> problem might be a good idea.
> >>
> >> For example Muir Trail Ranch requires it.
> >>
> >> I never had a problem with shipped food to Post
> Offices being
> >> bothered. I would imagine that Federal Postal
> Facilities probably have
> >> different standards for pest eradication than
> ranger's huts.
> >
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 28
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:56:17 -0800
> From: Alphabetsoup <alphabetsoupmmm at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 103 days to go......
> To: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Cc: PCT-L at backcountry.net
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> 
> I was suffering from cabin fever as well, when the
> pineapple express rolled
> into california, it soaked everything so badly that I
> couldn't get out, then
> some fool gave me a cold... finally today I got to Cuyamaca
> Rancho SP for a
> short hike up Oakzanita Peak. I'm taking the North County
> Wilderness basics
> course too, so that gives me 4 overnight trips along with
> all the training
> hikes that are included with tuition over the next 9 weeks.
> Good stuff and
> one of the many reason I love San Diego so much...
> 
> Paul A
> 
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>wrote:
> 
> > i have major cabin fever;  too cold to do
> anything outside and I'm loosing
> > my
> > conditioning that i had built up so well.
> >
> > forgive my irritability everyone,
> btw.   i don't do well in captivity. 
> 2.5
> > months until the trail season begins !!~!~
> > ~Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Whitnee Goode <whitneegoode at yahoo.com>
> > To: PCT-L at backcountry.net
> > Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 11:57:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] 103 days to go......
> >
> > Oh gosh, it's horrible... I'm depressed, I'm not
> planning well, and I'm not
> > enjoying anything... I think I'm getting anxious.
> Won't be too long though!
> >
> > --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Michael Pinkus <mikepinkus at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Michael Pinkus <mikepinkus at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] 103 days to go......
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 2:46 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Who else has cabin fever and itchy feet besides me?
> > cheers,Mike
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> Message: 29
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:59:44 +0900
> From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lets Talk High-End Watches
> To: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Dear Paul
> 
> Casio releases so many slightly different models every
> year, that most
> people cannot discern which is the latest model. This type
> of watch is
> called "Pro Trek" in Japan.  The reasons of  the
> cheapness of REI are
> the thickness, not solar powered, not corresponded to
> electric wave,
> and it may be a old model. But, the exactness of sensors
> must be
> similar to recent models.
> 
> I have a basic model of "Pro Trek" ( Pathfinder ).
> http://psycho01.edu.u-toyama.ac.jp/PB292098.jpg I had
> selected my
> watches based on some basic mechanism.
>   1. slim and light ( and plastic belt type is cheap)
>   2. solar powered ( You need not worry about the
> battery consumption. )
>   3. triple sensors ( The performance may be the same
> in all models )
>   4. multiband ( Time is automatically corrected by
> the electric wave
> in USA, Japan etc., I bought this type of model before the
> flight to
> USA )
> 
> The majority of hiker in Japan wear "Pro Trek" ( Pathfinder
> ).  There
> are many variations in this models, from the cheap plastic
> models  to
> the expensive titan models. The performance is almost
> same.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2011/1/14 Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>:
> > if you hang it off your pack the temperature would be
> accurate, but the altitude
> > would not.
> >
> > ... the compass's have worked great, ?as does the
> compass on my 22$ timex, btw.
> >
> > for altitude, i did a 3 day, two night hike with my
> pathfinder... and when i
> > returned to my starting point my elevation was off 450
> feet to what it said when
> > i started. ?standing at the car, ?exact same point.
> > ... basically useless for any kind of navigating,
> ?finding where you are on a
> > contour map etc.
> >
> > i didn't use the suunto long enough to knwo how
> quickly it degrades, but it's
> > essentially the same sensor, ?the only difference is,
> the altitude is 'locked'
> > when you are standing still ... ?so weather changes
> while you sleep won't throw
> > it off come morning. ?weather changes while you walk
> still will obviously.
> >
> > by contrast my GPS not only shows me my elevation;
> ?but it has halfmile's maps
> > on it, ?so it shows me right where i am, ?and says i
> am "mile 122.5, ?6.7 miles
> > from next camp-sight, ?and 3 hrs 22 minutes until
> sunset" ?makes planning your
> > day a non issue.
> > the convenience is awesome ... ?i will carry it for
> the tougher sections and
> > bounce it ahead when i feel comfortable.
> >
> > ~Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: John Casterline <tnx4asking at gmail.com>
> > To: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> > Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 6:08:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lets Talk High-End Watches
> >
> > so if you want one that measures altitude fairly
> accurate, any suggestions? ?How
> > bad is the accuracy of the pathfinder?
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > just happened to notice the pathfinder is deal of the
> week are REI like 89$ free
> >>shipping no tax.
> >>
> >>that's pretty good deal; ? that said, ?it is not
> functionally accurate in
> > either
> >>altitude or temperature.
> >>
> >>but if you did want one you'd be hard pressed to
> find it for that price with a
> >>money back unconditional return policy.
> >>http://www.rei.com/product/810885
> >>get one, try it, and send it back if you'd like...
> >>~Paul
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>________________________________
> >>From: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
> >>To: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> >>Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 5:19:53 PM
> >>Subject: [pct-l] Lets Talk High-End Watches
> >>
> >>Hey Everybody,
> >>
> >>I have been wanting to bring this up for a few
> weeks.
> >>
> >>I would like to know every bodies thoughts on the
> higher end watches like
> >>Suunto Core, Timex Expeditions, Casio Pathfinder
> and so forth.
> >>
> >>None of these watches are cheap and some of them
> down-right crazy expensive
> >>(600+ for some).
> >>
> >>Me personally, being on the trail I often times
> (most days) like to know the
> >>time, the date (hey, days get long sometimes on the
> trail, eh), what
> >>elevation I am at, and how freaking cold it is
> while I am all bundled up
> >>freezing and trying to sleep.
> >>
> >>That said, a person can get by without knowing
> pretty much most of that -
> >>and some would say all of that.
> >>
> >>
> >>But, none the less, looking for thoughts from those
> of you who have dropped
> >>the money for some of these higher end watches.
> >>
> >>If there was a way to get the Suunto Core to
> display the time & the
> >>temperature, I'd probably already own one. But, I
> don't want to fumble
> >>around when it is 3am and freezing with pressing
> buttons, just to see the
> >>time and temp.
> >>
> >>John
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> Message: 30
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:05:27 -0800
> From: "Colin Stryker" <colin.stryker at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Alcohol stoves
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> Hey all, 
> 
> I'm looking for recommendations on alcohol stoves for my
> 2011 thru-hike.  I've considered building my own, but
> I'm not particularly handy and my time is valuable, so it
> might just be worth it to plunk down the money and avoid the
> trouble.  The stove would have to serve two people
> (must support a larger pot...).  As far as manufactured
> stoves go, the Evernew Titanium seems like a pretty good
> contender, along with their little EBY253 stand. 
> Anyone have any experience with these?  I'm also
> intrigued by the Vargo Triad, seems pretty stable, but I
> read a review that said it was hard to light.  Any
> experience with these?  Any other words of wisdom?
> 
> Thanks!
> Colin
> 
> PS: I've read several posts talking about how people are
> suffering from PCT fever.  Me too.  Dominates my
> thoughts every day.  Can't wait for Campo!
>   
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 31
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:05:34 -0800
> From: Eric Lee <saintgimp at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] underwear on the trail?
> To: "'Michael Pinkus'" <mikepinkus at hotmail.com>,
>     <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BAY145-ds1562519A322ABB2BCCC26BBDF30 at phx.gbl>
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> 
> Mike wrote:
> >
> Hello All,This may seem like a dumb question but....does
> anyone wear
> underwear out there? I've recently been looking at shorts
> that have a very
> light mesh liner inside them and was considering these to
> wear and not
> underwear. Logic being hygiene and weight.
> >
> 
> You can wear whatever you want as long as you don't have
> chafing issues when
> you're hot, sweaty, and walking all day long. 
> Personally, I find that
> wearing boxer/brief type underwear like this
> (http://www.rei.com/product/796597) works very well for
> me.  Your mileage
> may vary.
> 
> Eric
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 32
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:17:34 -0800
> From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2010 thru hiker updates - PCT Blues
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> 
> I don't even know you, Iceaxe, or Shroomer or Slow and
> Steady, or the  
> lot of you ex-PCT thru-hikers (except Chuck who I actually
> met!). But  
> I feel like we're all old friends in a way. I so envy you,
> Iceaxe!  
> This time next year you'll have your triple crown.
> 
> I've had the PCT blues pretty bad lately. Regular life just
> seems so  
> tedious sometimes. I joined a discussion forum for people
> who live in  
> RVs recently just so I could read the posts and dream a
> little about  
> another nomadic way of life. Reading their discussions has
> given me  
> the blues. I suspect there are a few there on that
> discussion who are  
> former thru-hikers. Something about when you find out about
> this  
> simple, nomadic way of life, if you took to it at all, it
> stays with  
> you.
> 
> One thing about reading that discussion is there are so
> many people  
> on it who look to solve all their problems by throwing
> money and  
> stuff at it. I find myself wanting to say, No no! You don't
> have to  
> buy XYZ for that. You can make it out of <insert some
> hiker trashy  
> thing>.
> 
> What gives me the blues is having to live in that world of
> buy-to- 
> solve, sometimes finding its thinking encroaching on me
> again. "I  
> need X so I'll go to the store and buy it." I miss the life
> of  
> solving my problems with the meager bag of tricks on my
> back and  
> being totally self-contained and not being surrounded by
> such a  
> clamor to spend and acquire. Feeling happy even though I
> stink, my  
> clothes are stained and dirty and all I've eaten for 4 days
> is Mac- 
> and-cheese.
> 
> ~ Going on my 2nd year not being a hiker :(
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:23 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net
> wrote:
> > I think the only cure for the trail blues is to plan
> another  
> > adventure.
> > The economy is in the dumps here in California as far
> as new  
> > construction plumbing goes so don't feel bad about
> work.
> > I can't think of anything else in the world i would
> rather do than  
> > hike this year anyways so.. I am hiking the AT.
> > Maybe I will see you out there.
> > Slow and Steady.. awesome trail names!
> > Cheers to you both!
> > -Iceaxe
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 33
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:17:59 -0800
> From: "Deems" <losthiker at sisqtel.net>
> Subject: [pct-l]  2 person stove setup
> To: "pct" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> 
>  I would love to take an alcohol stove but I cant find
> one  or find a design that holds enough fuel to bring
> 4 cups of water to a
> boil..
> ~~~~^^~~^^~~^^^
> The Fat Pika can boil a couple quarts with each fuel load
> with ease. The Mad 
> Pika is a great 4-5cup boiler. One of my Fat Pikas has
> completed the CDT 
> with a couple. You can even build these stoves yourself.
> The FP design has 
> changed recently due to feedback from my test hikers, and
> the website isn't 
> updated for this version.  If interested, contact me
> offline. No sales.
> http://users.sisqtel.net/losthiker/pikastove/ 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 34
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:22:24 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2 person stove setup
> To: Mike <fox15rider at gmail.com>,
> pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <952859.59239.qm at web110003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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> 
> i used a canister stove in 2010, for my wife and i. 
> and will be switching to a 
> cat can style for 2011.  
> 
> 
> making 2 batches of 2 boiling cups is easy, the stove cools
> in minutes; and 
> allows the food to be packed in a more modular fashion
> anyways.  
> 
> 
> 3/4 ounces boils the 2 cups of water in good weather; 
> and one ounce works in 
> wind and cold.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Mike <fox15rider at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 7:37:04 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] 2 person stove setup
> 
> So I am torn up on what stove setup to bring..  Since
> there is two of us
> hiking, my soon to be wife and I.   I cant
> decide on an alcohol stove or a
> canister stove..   I would love to take an
> alcohol stove but I cant find
> one  or find a design that holds enough fuel to bring
> 4 cups of water to a
> boil..
> 
> The only reason I really don't like canister stoves is
> because you never
> know how much fuel you have left.. and if you are starting
> a section but
> have a half empty fuel bottle.. you still need a fresh one
> but will have to
> take the half empty as well to use it up.  With
> alcohol I like that you can
> start each section with a set amount of fuel and no half
> empty fuel
> bottles..
> 
> Any thoughts?
> Anyone know a good 2 person alcohol design?
> 
> Thanks
> Thumper and Stumbling Goat
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> Message: 35
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:42:16 -0800
> From: "James F. Miller" <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2 person stove setup
> To: <fox15rider at gmail.com>,
> pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> 
> Look at Trail Designs Tri-Ti stove set ups 
>  
> I believe you can boil 4 cups of water with 2oz of fuel
>  
> > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:37:04 -0800
> > From: fox15rider at gmail.com
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] 2 person stove setup
> > 
> > So I am torn up on what stove setup to bring.. Since
> there is two of us
> > hiking, my soon to be wife and I. I cant decide on an
> alcohol stove or a
> > canister stove.. I would love to take an alcohol stove
> but I cant find
> > one or find a design that holds enough fuel to bring 4
> cups of water to a
> > boil..
> > 
> > The only reason I really don't like canister stoves is
> because you never
> > know how much fuel you have left.. and if you are
> starting a section but
> > have a half empty fuel bottle.. you still need a fresh
> one but will have to
> > take the half empty as well to use it up. With alcohol
> I like that you can
> > start each section with a set amount of fuel and no
> half empty fuel
> > bottles..
> > 
> > Any thoughts?
> > Anyone know a good 2 person alcohol design?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Thumper and Stumbling Goat
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> Message: 36
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:49:07 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Alcohol stoves
> To: Colin Stryker <colin.stryker at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <472029.60903.qm at web110005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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> 
> 
> 
> zelph stoves are cheap, reliable and good quality...
> 
> http://www.woodgaz-stove.com/
> 
> but making your own is really easy.  i really like the
> more open style of the 
> cat can stove.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Colin Stryker <colin.stryker at gmail.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 8:05:27 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Alcohol stoves
> 
> Hey all, 
> 
> I'm looking for recommendations on alcohol stoves for my
> 2011 thru-hike.  I've 
> considered building my own, but I'm not particularly handy
> and my time is 
> valuable, so it might just be worth it to plunk down the
> money and avoid the 
> trouble.  The stove would have to serve two people
> (must support a larger 
> pot...).  As far as manufactured stoves go, the
> Evernew Titanium seems like a 
> pretty good contender, along with their little EBY253
> stand.  Anyone have any 
> experience with these?  I'm also intrigued by the
> Vargo Triad, seems pretty 
> stable, but I read a review that said it was hard to
> light.  Any experience with 
> these?  Any other words of wisdom?
> 
> Thanks!
> Colin
> 
> PS: I've read several posts talking about how people are
> suffering from PCT 
> fever.  Me too.  Dominates my thoughts every
> day.  Can't wait for Campo!
>   
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> Message: 37
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:07:18 -0700
> From: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2 person stove setup
> To: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Mike <fox15rider at gmail.com>,
> pct-l at backcountry.net
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> My soda can stove will boil an entire grease pot full of
> water in one shot.
> Seems like it would be enough for 2.
> Are you willing/able to make your own? I can share my
> thoughts and ideas on
> the ideal design ;)
> 
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>wrote:
> 
> > i used a canister stove in 2010, for my wife and
> i.  and will be switching
> > to a
> > cat can style for 2011.
> >
> >
> > making 2 batches of 2 boiling cups is easy, the stove
> cools in minutes; and
> > allows the food to be packed in a more modular fashion
> anyways.
> >
> >
> > 3/4 ounces boils the 2 cups of water in good
> weather;  and one ounce works
> > in
> > wind and cold.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Mike <fox15rider at gmail.com>
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 7:37:04 PM
> > Subject: [pct-l] 2 person stove setup
> >
> > So I am torn up on what stove setup to bring.. 
> Since there is two of us
> > hiking, my soon to be wife and I.   I
> cant decide on an alcohol stove or a
> > canister stove..   I would love to take
> an alcohol stove but I cant find
> > one  or find a design that holds enough fuel to
> bring 4 cups of water to a
> > boil..
> >
> > The only reason I really don't like canister stoves is
> because you never
> > know how much fuel you have left.. and if you are
> starting a section but
> > have a half empty fuel bottle.. you still need a fresh
> one but will have to
> > take the half empty as well to use it up.  With
> alcohol I like that you can
> > start each section with a set amount of fuel and no
> half empty fuel
> > bottles..
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> > Anyone know a good 2 person alcohol design?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Thumper and Stumbling Goat
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 38
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:12:46 +0800
> From: Robert Bellingham <bbandbbpct at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2 person stove setup
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> As newbie hikers last year we had the same dilemma.
> Ended up getting the Caldera Cone with 1.3 ltr titanium
> pot.
> We used it the whole 5 1/2 months, Campo to Manning Park.
> We only wanted to boil water for cooking rice, noodles and
> generally rehydrating dried food, not cooking meat/baking
> etc. 
> +'s
> - lightweight and compact it all fits into the pot with
> matches/lighter.
> - we used Heet that was pretty much available everywhere.
> - can also use Esbit cubes or wood.
> - pot and lid strong and still looks new although blackened
> from fire.
> - cone design gives pretty good wind protection
> 
> -'s
> - took a few days for non-hiking "gumby" to get proficient.
> (I had ordered it online and picked it up at the kick-off
> party so no chance to play around with it pre-hike, we ate
> luke warm cous-cous the first night)
> - 1.3 litre too deep and sits too close to flame, you need
> to use titanium pegs through side of cone to give it air
> space.
> - a full reservoir will just boil 1 ltr of water, you need
> to add more fuel to simmer. 
> 
> Recommendation:
> No hesitation in using this type of stove again, but I
> would use wood for fuel at every opportunity and keep Heet
> for other times. In the Sierra we planned our days as best
> we could to be below 10,000 ft to legally be able to light a
> wood fire. Sometimes we had our main meal of the day any
> time we dropped low enough if we new we'd be camping high
> that night. We had no luck with the Esbit cubes but I've
> read that others have used them without problem. For a solo
> hiker boiling only a pint, this would be an ideal stove as
> you could boil and simmer on one fuel fill-up.
> 
> This stove worked well for us, but at times I did envy
> those with gas stoves that boiled quickly.
> You're going to love PCT
> 
> Bob
> (Slow and Steady - PCT 2010)
> www.trailjournals.com/BOBandBARBOn 14/01/2011, at 8:37 AM,
> Mike wrote:
> 
> > So I am torn up on what stove setup to bring.. 
> Since there is two of us
> > hiking, my soon to be wife and I.   I
> cant decide on an alcohol stove or a
> > canister stove..   I would love to take
> an alcohol stove but I cant find
> > one  or find a design that holds enough fuel to
> bring 4 cups of water to a
> > boil..
> > 
> > The only reason I really don't like canister stoves is
> because you never
> > know how much fuel you have left.. and if you are
> starting a section but
> > have a half empty fuel bottle.. you still need a fresh
> one but will have to
> > take the half empty as well to use it up.  With
> alcohol I like that you can
> > start each section with a set amount of fuel and no
> half empty fuel
> > bottles..
> > 
> > Any thoughts?
> > Anyone know a good 2 person alcohol design?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Thumper and Stumbling Goat
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> Message: 39
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:30:04 -0800
> From: Ken Powers <ken at gottawalk.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear Cans
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> In 2007 I carried our Garcia bear canister upright in a ULA
> Circuit. I 
> stuffed our tent between my back and the bear canister. It
> wasn't great, but 
> it wasn't nearly as bad as I envisioned.
> 
> In 2000 Marcia carried the same Garcia in a REI Half Dome
> day pack. We met 
> the packs designer crossing Wood Creek bridge. He stopped
> her and took a 
> picture of his pack carrying a bear canister.  By the
> way, she carried the 
> Garcia from Mexico to Canada.
> 
> Ken
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "CHUCK CHELIN" <steeleye at wildblue.net>
> To: <albert at survivalcrafters.com>
> Cc: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 2:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear Cans
> 
> 
> Good afternoon, Albert,
> 
> I usually hike with a rather small Go-Lite Breeze pack; one
> which is
> insufficiently wide at the bottom for a crosswise bear
> ?can.  Early tests
> indicated that crosswise was the best way to carry
> it.  As a result, for my
> first trip through the SIBBG-control area I changed to a
> larger, wider Glen
> Van Peski GVP-4 pack during resupply at Mojave.
> 
> 
> I like the pack well enough, and the ?can fit and rode well
> across the
> bottom, but overall it was much too large and seemed to
> hang like a
> half-empty sack most of the time.  Worse, with the
> hard can in the bottom
> against the pack?s fabric, every time I bumped the bottom
> or butt-scooted
> off a boulder, the fabric would get cut.  I remember
> spending quite a bit of
> time at VVR ,with the GVP-4 inside-out, applying Gorilla
> Tape to numerous
> cuts.
> 
> 
> 
> I subsequently experimented with the ?can standing upright
> inside the Breeze
> with soft stuff padding the bottom, and with the sleeping
> bag poked around
> it.
> 
> 
> 
> Steel-Eye
> 
> Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
> 
> http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
> 
> http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:54 AM, <albert at survivalcrafters.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Good timing. I'm down to the final days of deciding
> between the Circuit 
> > and
> > the Catalyst and was just going to check on the
> bear-can fits. The ad on
> > the
> > ULA site for the Catalyst says that it's "bear
> canister friendly" and it
> > doesn't say that on the Circuit (which I realize
> doesn't mean much because
> > it's just and ad) but I was glad to see your post. Can
> you post a link to
> > steeleye's site and tell me which canister it is that
> fits horizontally in
> > the Circuit?
> >
> > Also, any pro/con opinions you have about these packs
> would be 
> > appreciated.
> > From all the research I've done it seems to come down
> to them being equal
> > quality backpacks with the Catalyst having a little
> more weight with a lot
> > more room. Reviews say some people tend to fill up the
> Catalyst with stuff
> > they don't need just because they have that space
> available to fill. 
> > That's
> > why I'm 97% decided on the Circuit but still lingering
> on that 3% of me
> > saying "Just get the biggest one and don't use the
> extra space if you 
> > don't
> > need it.", but I don't want to carry the extra weight
> of the pack itself
> > just to have room available I may not need. Yeah, I'm
> a little stressed
> > over
> > this decision. (sigh)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Albert
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of Scott Williams
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:15 PM
> > To: CHUCK CHELIN
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear Cans
> >
> > Good info on your site Steel-Eye.  The old black
> bear can in the picture 
> > is
> > what I still use, and it fits inside of the ULA
> Circuit, horizontally. 
> > Fit
> > just perfectly above all the rest of my stuff.
> >
> > Shroomer
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> Message: 40
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:30:39 +0800
> From: Robert Bellingham <bbandbbpct at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Message for Iceaxe
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> You may remember dropping us off in the rain and sleet at
> the PCT Monument, Campo last year.
> As total newbies to hiking (flew from Australia, bought our
> gear in San Diego, headed north) we could't have had a
> better "seasoned hiker" trio to meet on our first day - you,
> Rhino and Yogi.
> What an inspiration we thank you for the that, the laughs
> and the heads up on Ben & Jerry's - Chunky Monkey.
> I'm so close to getting on the AT this year - just looking
> for half an excuse; may see you there.
> 
> Take care
> Bob
> (Slow and Steady - PCT 2010)
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> Message: 41
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:47:39 -0800
> From: "James F. Miller" <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2 person stove setup
> To: <bbandbbpct at gmail.com>,
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> I understood you can use a wood stove anywhere in the
> Sierra's because its a stove.
>  
> Not true in the Olympic National Park
>  
> > From: bbandbbpct at gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:12:46 +0800
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] 2 person stove setup
> > 
> > As newbie hikers last year we had the same dilemma.
> > Ended up getting the Caldera Cone with 1.3 ltr
> titanium pot.
> > We used it the whole 5 1/2 months, Campo to Manning
> Park.
> > We only wanted to boil water for cooking rice, noodles
> and generally rehydrating dried food, not cooking
> meat/baking etc. 
> > +'s
> > - lightweight and compact it all fits into the pot
> with matches/lighter.
> > - we used Heet that was pretty much available
> everywhere.
> > - can also use Esbit cubes or wood.
> > - pot and lid strong and still looks new although
> blackened from fire.
> > - cone design gives pretty good wind protection
> > 
> > -'s
> > - took a few days for non-hiking "gumby" to get
> proficient. (I had ordered it online and picked it up at the
> kick-off party so no chance to play around with it pre-hike,
> we ate luke warm cous-cous the first night)
> > - 1.3 litre too deep and sits too close to flame, you
> need to use titanium pegs through side of cone to give it
> air space.
> > - a full reservoir will just boil 1 ltr of water, you
> need to add more fuel to simmer. 
> > 
> > Recommendation:
> > No hesitation in using this type of stove again, but I
> would use wood for fuel at every opportunity and keep Heet
> for other times. In the Sierra we planned our days as best
> we could to be below 10,000 ft to legally be able to light a
> wood fire. Sometimes we had our main meal of the day any
> time we dropped low enough if we new we'd be camping high
> that night. We had no luck with the Esbit cubes but I've
> read that others have used them without problem. For a solo
> hiker boiling only a pint, this would be an ideal stove as
> you could boil and simmer on one fuel fill-up.
> > 
> > This stove worked well for us, but at times I did envy
> those with gas stoves that boiled quickly.
> > You're going to love PCT
> > 
> > Bob
> > (Slow and Steady - PCT 2010)
> > www.trailjournals.com/BOBandBARBOn 14/01/2011, at 8:37
> AM, Mike wrote:
> > 
> > > So I am torn up on what stove setup to bring..
> Since there is two of us
> > > hiking, my soon to be wife and I. I cant decide
> on an alcohol stove or a
> > > canister stove.. I would love to take an alcohol
> stove but I cant find
> > > one or find a design that holds enough fuel to
> bring 4 cups of water to a
> > > boil..
> > > 
> > > The only reason I really don't like canister
> stoves is because you never
> > > know how much fuel you have left.. and if you are
> starting a section but
> > > have a half empty fuel bottle.. you still need a
> fresh one but will have to
> > > take the half empty as well to use it up. With
> alcohol I like that you can
> > > start each section with a set amount of fuel and
> no half empty fuel
> > > bottles..
> > > 
> > > Any thoughts?
> > > Anyone know a good 2 person alcohol design?
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > Thumper and Stumbling Goat
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