[pct-l] Pct-L Digest, Vol 37, Issue 23

[WBL]

Closure near Idylwild:
Does anyone have any information on the closure of the trail from HWY 74 North?
Dr. Pete

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>   1. Re: Bear question. (Jim Bravo)
>   2. Re: Anyone gotten Giardia on the PCT? (Tortoise)
>   3. Re: Bear question. (albert at survivalcrafters.com)
>   4. Thunderbird inbox problems (Tortoise)
>   5. Re: long stretches bear can (Vermilion Valley Resort)
>   6. Re: long stretches bear can (Vermilion Valley Resort)
>   7. Giardia (jomike at cot.net)
>   8. Night lighting (albert at survivalcrafters.com)
>   9. Re: Giardia (Mary Kwart)
>  10. Re: trail angels: where do we need one that we don'thave	one?
>      (John Abela)
>  11. Re: Thunderbird inbox problems (Scott Williams)
>  12. Re: Night lighting (CHUCK CHELIN)
>  13. Re: Night lighting (Paul Robison)
>  14. Re: The Desert (Paul Robison)
>  15. Re: Night lighting (John Abela)
>  16. Re: Bear question. (gwschenk at socal.rr.com)
>  17. Lets Talk High-End Watches (John Abela)
>  18. Re: Lets Talk High-End Watches (Michael Pinkus)
>  19. Re: Lets Talk High-End Watches (AsABat)
>  20. Re: Lets Talk High-End Watches (Gerry Zamora)
>  21. New outfitter on Mt. Laguna (Jon Smith)
>  22. Re: Trying to enter Canada (Brick Robbins)
>  23. Re: Sauce (Yoshihiro Murakami)
>  24. Maps (mctanker at earthlink.net)
>  25. Re: So. Calif. Desert Water Caches
>      (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
>  26. Re: Lets Talk High-End Watches (Paul Robison)
>  27. Re: Lets Talk High-End Watches (Gerry Zamora)
>  28. Re: (no subject) (Paul Robison)
>  29. Re: social interaction / dealing with disagreeable people...
>      (Paul Robison)
>  30. Re: Brown Bear (Ernie Castillo)
>  31. Re: Lets Talk High-End Watches (Timothy Nye)
>  32. Re: Lets Talk High-End Watches (Paul Robison)
>  33. Re: New outfitter on Mt. Laguna (Michael Pinkus)
>  34. Re: Sauce (Scott Williams)
>  35. Maps (Palomino)
>  36. Re: Maps (Paul Robison)
>  37. Re: Trying to enter Canada (Scott Williams)
>  38. Re: So. Calif. Desert Water Caches (Paul Robison)
>  39. Re: Maps (Scott Williams)
>  40.  Night lighting (Deems)
>  41. Re: So. Calif. Desert Water Caches
>      (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
>  42. Re: Halfmile's PCT maps & GPS data (Tortoise)
>  43. Re: Night lighting (albert at survivalcrafters.com)
>  44. Re: Breaking News!!! (Vermilion Valley Resort)
>  45. Re: Lets Talk High-End Watches (Michael Pinkus)
>
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>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:17:51 -0800
>From: Jim Bravo <jimbravo2 at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear question.
>To: Mike Chapman <altathunder76 at gmail.com>
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
>Message-ID:
>	<AANLkTikxzMUOvQfUNMtJ5Q+XY0nucJkZiis=53t+evVa at mail.gmail.com>
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>On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Mike Chapman <altathunder76 at gmail.com>wrote:
>"but how do you identify one if your eye is in there mouth".
>
>
>Correct me if I am wrong on this, but I believe black bears are the ones who
>coined the phrase "eye candy".
>
>Jim
>
>
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>
>Message: 2
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:21:54 -0800
>From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Anyone gotten Giardia on the PCT?
>To: Bruce 'Buck' Nelson <buck at bucktrack.com>
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <4D2C9FC2.4020500 at charter.net>
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>I wonder if a lot of the "Giardia" sickness is similar to "boot camp 
>cold/flu".
>
>When I was in boot camp decades ago, a lot of us came down with a severe 
>cold/flu. This was attributed to all of us "boots" being in close quarters 
>with other "boots" from all over the country and thus being exposed to 
>numerous strains of germs which we had not developed immunity to.
>
>Tortoise
>
><> Because truth matters! <>
>
>On 01/08/11 08:41, Bruce 'Buck' Nelson wrote:
>> Hikers often talk about whether it is necessary to treat water on the
>> Pacific Crest Trail. I thought we might try to get a feel for how often
>> hikers actually get Giardia in the "real world."
>>
>> Years ago I had Giardia, twice, and vowed to treat all water in the future.
>> I faithfully treated water up until last summer. After reading an article
>> about the low likelihood of getting Giardia from drinking water, I only
>> treated on a case-by-case basis. Instead, I focused on hand hygiene and not
>> passing food back and forth with other hikers.
>>
>> I got sick at Sonora Pass while southbound during my flip. After a couple of
>> days I felt better, but I got sick again in Mammoth. Experience told me it
>> was likely Giardia. The doctor concurred. He gave me Tinidazole and in 24
>> hours I had recovered, if somewhat weakened.
>>
>> Bottom line: beyond a reasonable doubt I got Giardia from untreated drinking
>> water.
>>
>>     - Have any of you, or anyone you know personally, gotten Giardia on the
>>     PCT?
>>     - Were you diagnosed by a doctor?
>>     - Were you treating all water?
>>     - What's your best guess as to how you got it?
>>     - Where on the trail did you get it?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Colter
>>
>> 2010 PCT Thru-hike
>> http://www.bucktrack.com/PCT.html
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>Message: 3
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:22:34 -0800
>From: <albert at survivalcrafters.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear question.
>To: "'Mike Chapman'" <altathunder76 at gmail.com>,	"'David Thibault'"
>	<dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>
>Thanks for all the great bear information updates since I asked the original
>question. It seems to pretty much come down to that if I'm going to see a
>grizzly (brown bear) on the pct I'll have to bring it a leash myself. That's
>what I really wanted to know. 
>
>-Albert (tenetative trailname "Bones" because that's what my family and
>friends are convinced one of you are going to find left of me along the
>trail somewhere.)
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
>On Behalf Of Mike Chapman
>Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 6:49 AM
>To: David Thibault
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear question.
>
>Black bears are the ones who dont care if you play dead,they say to fight em
>or scare them,but how do you identify one if your eye is in there mouth.
>
>On 1/10/11, David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> A lot of people get confused on this.  A brown Bear is another name 
>> for a grizzly bear.  A black bear is the kind most of us in the lower 
>> 48 are used to seeing.  What causes the confusion is that a lot of 
>> black bears are brown in color.  So that brown colored bear you are 
>> seeing is a black bear -  just a brown black bear.  This is starting 
>> to sound like an Abbot and Costello routine so I'll end it.
>>
>>  Day-Late
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I say that a brown bear encounters are almost certain....
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>> We even have Brown Bear in our back yard.....the rest of the NW 
>>> Cascades, too.
>>> .
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>Message: 4
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 10:24:51 -0800
>From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] Thunderbird inbox problems
>To: PCT List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <4D2CA073.8010209 at charter.net>
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>Hi All,
>
>I use Thunderbird on OSX / Mac and lately have been having a lot of 
>problems with my inbox index becoming corrupted. This inbox only has email 
>from the PCT list. Has anyone else been having similar problems?
>-- 
>Tortoise
>
><> Because truth matters! <>
>
>
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>
>Message: 5
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:47:49 -0700
>From: Vermilion Valley Resort <pct-l at edisonlake.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] long stretches bear can
>To: Pct lov1 <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <4D2CA5D5.1080509 at edisonlake.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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>It's NEVER a good idea to lie to the rangers.  Keeping food in bear 
>boxes, where it is indicated, is for the protection of the bears, 
>yourselves, and OTHER hikers, campers, etc.
>
>The rangers are there to HELP... they are part of what it makes it 
>enjoyable for all of us, and for the folks who hike in the future.
>
>Disregarding the rules, lying to the rangers, and planning to harm the 
>bears because you don't want to follow the rules is just STUPID.
>
>In the end, you should hike your own hike... but I hope NOBODY hikes 
>this way...
>
>
>Mike Chapman wrote:
>> I wouldnt suggest lying to the rangers,or smashing the bears face with
>> rocks because you didnt want to follow the rules,but im sure common
>> sence will preclude anyone from taking your advise.
>>
>> On 1/10/11, rizzo rizzo<rizzo1riz at hotmail.com>  wrote:
>>> Me rizzo and bretton carried and shared a bear can from kennedy meadows to
>>> reds meadow, we skipped vvr but snagged food from the buckets at jmt ranch,
>>> there was a ton of stuff, so we basically hiked without re supply from
>>> kennedy meadowa till jmt ranch were we re supplied mostly on snacks and few
>>> more dinners, don't know the exact milage but it was quite far we also did a
>>> side trip to whitney, then resupplied in mammoth for the trip to
>>> yosemite/toulmne, we lied to the rangers and told our food all fit in the
>>> can but the truth was we had food also  in our packs, and one can held about
>>> 1/4 of our total food, eventually it fit, but very hard to fit it all in one
>>> , i wouldn't suggest carring two, we shared it mostly for the cool look it
>>> has and carried it empty on our pack switching off every other day, with
>>> food safely in our packs, which we said would all fit in the can, has long
>>> has u have a food storage device, and your within 3 feet of ur food it's my
>>> understanding ur cool with the rangers, none ever asked to proove the food
>>> fit we also fibbed about how far we were going so the wouldn't think
>>> otherwise like were not going to reds were stopping at kersage 1st then vvr,
>>> niether true, sleep with ur food and a pile of rocks and when a bear comes
>>> around say bad bear and aim for his face!,, rizzo
>>> there's a pic of my food right before whitney, so 70 miles later and 170 or
>>> so to go
>>> and hiker trash feet
>>>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:05:06 -0700
>From: Vermilion Valley Resort <pct-l at edisonlake.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] long stretches bear can
>To: Pct lov1 <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <4D2CA9E2.9000501 at edisonlake.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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>Oh, and I guess I should sign this...
>
>Bill
>Webmaster, VVR
>
>Vermilion Valley Resort wrote:
>> It's NEVER a good idea to lie to the rangers.  Keeping food in bear 
>> boxes, where it is indicated, is for the protection of the bears, 
>> yourselves, and OTHER hikers, campers, etc.
>>
>> The rangers are there to HELP... they are part of what it makes it 
>> enjoyable for all of us, and for the folks who hike in the future.
>>
>> Disregarding the rules, lying to the rangers, and planning to harm the 
>> bears because you don't want to follow the rules is just STUPID.
>>
>> In the end, you should hike your own hike... but I hope NOBODY hikes 
>> this way...
>>
>>
>> Mike Chapman wrote:
>>> I wouldnt suggest lying to the rangers,or smashing the bears face with
>>> rocks because you didnt want to follow the rules,but im sure common
>>> sence will preclude anyone from taking your advise.
>>>
>>> On 1/10/11, rizzo rizzo<rizzo1riz at hotmail.com>  wrote:
>>>> Me rizzo and bretton carried and shared a bear can from kennedy meadows to
>>>> reds meadow, we skipped vvr but snagged food from the buckets at jmt ranch,
>>>> there was a ton of stuff, so we basically hiked without re supply from
>>>> kennedy meadowa till jmt ranch were we re supplied mostly on snacks and few
>>>> more dinners, don't know the exact milage but it was quite far we also did a
>>>> side trip to whitney, then resupplied in mammoth for the trip to
>>>> yosemite/toulmne, we lied to the rangers and told our food all fit in the
>>>> can but the truth was we had food also  in our packs, and one can held about
>>>> 1/4 of our total food, eventually it fit, but very hard to fit it all in one
>>>> , i wouldn't suggest carring two, we shared it mostly for the cool look it
>>>> has and carried it empty on our pack switching off every other day, with
>>>> food safely in our packs, which we said would all fit in the can, has long
>>>> has u have a food storage device, and your within 3 feet of ur food it's my
>>>> understanding ur cool with the rangers, none ever asked to proove the food
>>>> fit we also fibbed about how far we were going so the wouldn't think
>>>> otherwise like were not going to reds were stopping at kersage 1st then vvr,
>>>> niether true, sleep with ur food and a pile of rocks and when a bear comes
>>>> around say bad bear and aim for his face!,, rizzo
>>>> there's a pic of my food right before whitney, so 70 miles later and 170 or
>>>> so to go
>>>> and hiker trash feet
>>>>
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>Message: 7
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:09:31 -0800
>From: <jomike at cot.net>
>Subject: [pct-l] Giardia
>To: <mkwart at gci.net>
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <AD5FE50879BF4464ACFAE04B82FA5F70 at arewethereyePC>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
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>I think the diarrhea after leaving the trail and having consumed different foods in larger amounts, might be the issue, not Guardia. I have problems with that here at home. I really think it's due to major diet change. Way too much food, of different quality are probably causing the boating and diarrhea. Just my thoughts.
>
>are we there yet
>
>
>...going to the mountains is going home.
>
>John Muir
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:23:53 -0800
>From: <albert at survivalcrafters.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Night lighting
>To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <676DA8B511AA4EF286FE0CB726F70DF1 at TOSH1>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>Do any of you carry any kind of flashlights or headlamps like the petzl for
>the nights or do you generally try to get set up and settled down for the
>night before it gets dark. 
>I don't think I would try any night walking myself (even with a headlamp)
>because the risk of a minor ankle twist or loss of direction would be too
>great for me, but it seems like some kind of emergency electric light would
>be a good idea, even if it's just to look around the tent or camp area for
>some misplaced item. I've picked out a headlamp that weighs 2.3 ounces
>including batteries but would like some ideas before spending the 40 dollars
>and adding the weight that I may never use.
>-Albert
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 9
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:51:45 -0800
>From: Mary Kwart <mkwart at gci.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Giardia
>To: jomike at cot.net
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <fc6ef6ab62c.4d2c4451 at gci.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>I've been backpacking for years and changing my diet and eating huge amounts of food only had that effect that one time--that's what made me suspicious. It lasted on a low grade level for weeks. It hasn't re-occurred last summer when I hiked 1000 miles and pigged out on zero days.
>--Fireweed
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: jomike at cot.net
>Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:09 am
>Subject: Giardia
>To: mkwart at gci.net
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>
>> I think the diarrhea after leaving the trail and having consumed 
>> different foods in larger amounts, might be the issue, not Guardia. 
>> I have problems with that here at home. I really think it's due to 
>> major diet change. Way too much food, of different quality are 
>> probably causing the boating and diarrhea. Just my thoughts.
>> 
>> are we there yet
>> 
>> 
>> ...going to the mountains is going home.
>> 
>> John Muir
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 10
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:51:54 -0800
>From: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] trail angels: where do we need one that we
>	don'thave	one?
>To: Pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
>	<AANLkTikAbmHfxDas6o1ADZ81-FXXRFXYigqXb7ouokz- at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>Hey All,
>
>I can understand the "why" of the 3sisters not having anybody... that's kind
>of a different region that most other small communities across the Pacific
>States. Honestly, I have no desire to move to anywhere in OR.
>
>Is there anywhere in the Eastern Sierras that need somebody? I would love to
>move somewhere up into the Sugar Pines and such. Redwood trees where I live
>now are beautiful and all that, but I miss the pine tress from when I lived
>in Big Bear oh so many years ago. Yes, I have thought about Big Bear, but my
>dad who lives in Victorville goes up there a lot and says its just not a
>place to live in these days. Never been able to get a real answer out of him
>as to why though.
>
>Anyway, thanks for the suggestions all. The city of "Etna" is a town I have
>never actually been too in my 15 years of living up here. Once the roads
>open up I am going to try to get up there and spend a couple of days. So
>thanks for the suggestion on that Steel-Eye.
>
>John
>
>
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>
>Message: 11
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:10:58 -0800
>From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thunderbird inbox problems
>To: Tortoise73 at charter.net
>Cc: PCT List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
>	<AANLkTi=Ui745oDg8nJsz8va2O7GCBULmKh_qkMvM1uBG at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>I seem to be able to respond to threads in progress, but tried to post a new
>one this morning, and it doesn't show up on my screen, but my sent mail,
>shows it as having gone out over 5 hours ago.  I'll just send it again here.
> I just got an email from Mango wondering if the list was still operational
>as he hasn't gotten a post in over 2 days.
>
>Shroomer
>
>Plain Slice has begun a series of video shorts on Gadling.com,
>http://www.gadling.com/2011/01/10/hiking-the-pacific-crest-trail-the-gear/.
> It's all about his, and Little Engine's, preparation for the PCT last year.
> They are posting a new one each day this week and did one yesterday on
>gear, today's is on food.  Whether you agree with their choices or not, it's
>great to see them again, and the pictures on trail.  We hiked nearly 2,000
>miles together, and Mango, that's you and me crossing a stream in the High
>Sierra, in the still shot on the gear episode.  We had our shoes in our
>hands, so it must have been early on, 'cause we didn't do that for long.
> They had way too much food, and often gave dinners away, or into the hiker
>boxes, and they were some of the most delicious trail dinners I had all
>summer.  Some rivaled what Yoshihiro's look like.
>
>Shroomer
>
>
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>
>Message: 12
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:33:25 -0800
>From: CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Night lighting
>To: albert at survivalcrafters.com
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID:
>	<AANLkTinDfLKyBa+pzuUaSBKZau3M6fZ1aoEJ7+yiC=CW at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
>Good afternoon, Albert,
>
>I use a Photon Freedom LED light.  In fact since they only weigh 0.263
>ounces each, and usually cost less than $15. I carry two of them.
>
>
>
>Steel-Eye
>
>Hiking the Pct since before it was the PCT ? 1965
>
>http://www.trailjournals.com/steel-eye
>
>http://www.trailjournals.com/SteelEye09
>
>
>On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:23 AM, <albert at survivalcrafters.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Do any of you carry any kind of flashlights or headlamps like the petzl for
>> the nights or do you generally try to get set up and settled down for the
>> night before it gets dark.
>> I don't think I would try any night walking myself (even with a headlamp)
>> because the risk of a minor ankle twist or loss of direction would be too
>> great for me, but it seems like some kind of emergency electric light would
>> be a good idea, even if it's just to look around the tent or camp area for
>> some misplaced item. I've picked out a headlamp that weighs 2.3 ounces
>> including batteries but would like some ideas before spending the 40
>> dollars
>> and adding the weight that I may never use.
>> -Albert
>>
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>Message: 13
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 13:11:15 -0800 (PST)
>From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Night lighting
>To: albert at survivalcrafters.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <510354.22987.qm at web110009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>i used to carry a princetone tech remix,
>
>now i use the princeton tech Byte,  it's plenty bright for finding the bathroom 
>at night,  but not so bright as to be overwhelming in the tnet (on low it's 
>quite nice for abient lighting).
>
>runs on 2 AAA's instead of three,  and lasts 120 hours.  very lightweight and 
>durable  ... also waterproof.
>~Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: "albert at survivalcrafters.com" <albert at survivalcrafters.com>
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 2:23:53 PM
>Subject: [pct-l] Night lighting
>
>
>Do any of you carry any kind of flashlights or headlamps like the petzl for
>the nights or do you generally try to get set up and settled down for the
>night before it gets dark. 
>I don't think I would try any night walking myself (even with a headlamp)
>because the risk of a minor ankle twist or loss of direction would be too
>great for me, but it seems like some kind of emergency electric light would
>be a good idea, even if it's just to look around the tent or camp area for
>some misplaced item. I've picked out a headlamp that weighs 2.3 ounces
>including batteries but would like some ideas before spending the 40 dollars
>and adding the weight that I may never use.
>-Albert
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>Message: 14
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 13:51:59 -0800 (PST)
>From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] The Desert
>To: jason moores <jmmoores at hotmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <722554.38844.qm at web110005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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>as an addendum to this,  ido was a veteran of the isreal national trail where 
>the only water you have is from milk jugs burried in the sand.
>
>it's all about perspective. i know my wife and her family are all form iceland 
>and even the mild temps of socal in 2010 were nearly overwhelming for her.
>~Paul
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: jason moores <jmmoores at hotmail.com>
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 1:47:14 AM
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] The Desert
>
>
>Piper,
>
>This was an excellent addition to the desert thread. I agree wholeheartedly with 
>your points about salty foods and over-hydrating.
>
>I also agree that it seems almost silly to call the trail route a "desert" hike. 
>The majority of the time the trail stays above 4,000 feet and in the mountains, 
>which is what we would normally call high desert. As I am sure that you know 
>(but for the benefit of those who don't), the term desert does not equate to the 
>mental image that most picture when they hear the term-endless sand dunes. 
>Desert refers to the amount of precipitation that falls in the region. I have no 
>idea whether or not So.Cal is officially a desert, but it sure as hell is hot 
>and dry. 
>
>
>In '09 I hiked with an Israeli named Ido who could often could be heard 
>scoffing,"desert? You Americans have no idea what a desert is really like". Ido 
>probably had a point.
>
>Jackass
>
>
>
>> From: diane at santabarbarahikes.com
>> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 15:26:11 -0800
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] The Desert
>> 
>> Jackass,
>> Good info you have shared!
>> 
>> I have lived in So Cal all my life so most of my hiking experience  
>> has been in the so-called "desert". I happen to not believe most of  
>> what people hike through on the PCT in So Cal is desert, but then  
>> hardly anybody will agree with me so I don't bother trying to  
>> convince anybody anymore.
>> 
>> Anyway, one thing I notice is that a lot of people get hyponatremia,  
>> which is when they drink too much water and get their electrolytes  
>> all out of whack. Then they start powering down cliff bars because  
>> they feel a lack of energy. Then drink more water because they are so  
>> thirsty and it's hot. They spiral out of control and get real sick  
>> and have to leave the trail.
>> 
>> My advice is to carry salty food. Don't eat cliff bars when you feel  
>> a lack of energy. Eat some Fritos or salty nuts or something. The  
>> nice thing about salty food is you have a built-in ability to self- 
>> regulate your salt content eating salty food (as opposed to taking  
>> supplements.) If you've had enough, you won't eat any more.
>> 
>> So bring the high-tech supplements and drinks if you want, but also  
>> tuck in some ordinary salty snacks. They will help a lot.
>> 
>> And on the topic of blisters. Don't feel too bad if you get blisters.  
>> I trained. I am used to the environment. I don't get a lot of  
>> blisters normally. I hit the trail in good shape. I got terrible  
>> blisters. Took me 700 miles before they finally went away. I don't  
>> know what is different about the PCT vs say the Sespe or San Rafael  
>> Wilderness, but something must be. I'm pretty sure part of what is  
>> different is the level grade and smooth tread of the PCT. It's a  
>> repetitive motion injury machine.
>> 
>> I've written about this before. What happens is you get a little  
>> blister or hot spot or something and so unconsciously you favor the  
>> hurt side. The trail will make you walk for 10 miles in a row on one  
>> side of a mountain with the trail leaning outward to one side. For 10  
>> miles. Then switch to the other side for 10 more miles. If ever there  
>> was a tool to give someone massive blisters on their little toes,  
>> this is it.
>> 
>> Now you've got these massive blisters, you are favoring one side of  
>> your body a little bit, and the level trail goes on and on  
>> relentlessly, pounding it into you until the next thing you know,  
>> your knees are killing you. Or maybe your hip or your back. It has  
>> nothing to do with your knees, your hip or back, it has to do with  
>> the slight limp you developed from something in your feet. Pretty  
>> soon you are nursing some serious shin splints or some other painful  
>> problem and are thinking about getting off the trail.
>> 
>> Take care of those foot problems as soon as you can. If you get other  
>> problems further up your body, take some time to care for your feet.  
>> Slow down if you have to. Change your shoes around. Carry spare shoes  
>> if you have to so you can have a change during the day. I hiked  
>> wearing Crocs and Flip-flops sometimes. The trail is actually not so  
>> rugged this can't be done.
>> 
>> Good luck everybody. You will find many things to like about the  
>> "desert" if you keep an open mind. No mosquitoes is one of them!
>> 
>> Diane
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>Message: 15
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 13:54:16 -0800
>From: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Night lighting
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID:
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>Ditto what Steel-Eye said. Exactly the same here. One stays in my safety/med
>bag and the other roams.
>
>Oh, and twist off the stupid metal clip that is on them (very easy to do)
>and you can save yourself a wee-bit more grams. (or replace them with a
>lighter McGizmo clip)
>
>And, if you want something indestructible yet still *relatively* light,
>score yourself one of the "Arc-AAA" lights.
>http://www.arcflashlight.com/arc-aaa.shtml - seriously long battery life [2+
>years] and you'll never break this sucker (yes, I have tried on the 5 or so
>that I own)
>
>
>On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:33 PM, CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>wrote:
>
>> I use a Photon Freedom LED light.  In fact since they only weigh 0.263
>> ounces each, and usually cost less than $15. I carry two of them.
>>
>> Steel-Eye
>>
>
>
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>
>Message: 16
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:59:20 +0000
>From: <gwschenk at socal.rr.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Bear question.
>To: David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>, 	Mike Chapman
>	<altathunder76 at gmail.com>
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <20110111215920.9ONX6.161507.root at hrndva-web15-z01>
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>It's very easy to tell the two bears apart.
>
>Run up to the bear you wish to identify and give it a quick kick in the butt. Then climb a tree.
>
>If the bear climbs the tree and rips your face off, it is a black bear. If the bear knocks the tree down and then rips your face off, it is a brown bear.
>
>
>---- Mike Chapman <altathunder76 at gmail.com> wrote: 
>> Black bears are the ones who dont care if you play dead,they say to
>> fight em or scare them,but how do you identify one if your eye is in
>> there mouth.
>> 
>> On 1/10/11, David Thibault <dthibaul07 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > A lot of people get confused on this.  A brown Bear is another name for a
>> > grizzly bear.  A black bear is the kind most of us in the lower 48 are used
>> > to seeing.  What causes the confusion is that a lot of black bears are brown
>> > in color.  So that brown colored bear you are seeing is a black bear -  just
>> > a brown black bear.  This is starting to sound like an Abbot and Costello
>> > routine so I'll end it.
>> >
>> >  Day-Late
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I say that a brown bear encounters are almost certain....
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> .
>> >>
>> >> We even have Brown Bear in our back yard.....the rest of the NW Cascades,
>> >> too.
>> >> .
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>Message: 17
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:19:53 -0800
>From: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Lets Talk High-End Watches
>To: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
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>Hey Everybody,
>
>I have been wanting to bring this up for a few weeks.
>
>I would like to know every bodies thoughts on the higher end watches like
>Suunto Core, Timex Expeditions, Casio Pathfinder and so forth.
>
>None of these watches are cheap and some of them down-right crazy expensive
>(600+ for some).
>
>Me personally, being on the trail I often times (most days) like to know the
>time, the date (hey, days get long sometimes on the trail, eh), what
>elevation I am at, and how freaking cold it is while I am all bundled up
>freezing and trying to sleep.
>
>That said, a person can get by without knowing pretty much most of that -
>and some would say all of that.
>
>
>But, none the less, looking for thoughts from those of you who have dropped
>the money for some of these higher end watches.
>
>If there was a way to get the Suunto Core to display the time & the
>temperature, I'd probably already own one. But, I don't want to fumble
>around when it is 3am and freezing with pressing buttons, just to see the
>time and temp.
>
>John
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 18
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:09:31 -0800
>From: Michael Pinkus <mikepinkus at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lets Talk High-End Watches
>To: <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <SNT127-W42742700B86F96E6A2D518DF0F0 at phx.gbl>
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>
>
>Hi,I have the Casio Pathfinder. It's not a bad watch being a solar powered one. My only beef is the thermometer actually measures your body temp as opposed to the outside temp. For that, you have to take it off your wrist and let it stabilize....
>
>> From: pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com
>> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:19:53 -0800
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Subject: [pct-l] Lets Talk High-End Watches
>> 
>> Hey Everybody,
>> 
>> I have been wanting to bring this up for a few weeks.
>> 
>> I would like to know every bodies thoughts on the higher end watches like
>> Suunto Core, Timex Expeditions, Casio Pathfinder and so forth.
>> 
>> None of these watches are cheap and some of them down-right crazy expensive
>> (600+ for some).
>> 
>> Me personally, being on the trail I often times (most days) like to know the
>> time, the date (hey, days get long sometimes on the trail, eh), what
>> elevation I am at, and how freaking cold it is while I am all bundled up
>> freezing and trying to sleep.
>> 
>> That said, a person can get by without knowing pretty much most of that -
>> and some would say all of that.
>> 
>> 
>> But, none the less, looking for thoughts from those of you who have dropped
>> the money for some of these higher end watches.
>> 
>> If there was a way to get the Suunto Core to display the time & the
>> temperature, I'd probably already own one. But, I don't want to fumble
>> around when it is 3am and freezing with pressing buttons, just to see the
>> time and temp.
>> 
>> John
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>Message: 19
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:24:59 -0800
>From: AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lets Talk High-End Watches
>To: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>, PCT L
>	<pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <832be895-c5f8-45e2-8149-0cd8660f6d70 at email.android.com>
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>I have the Suunto Vector and like it, so I would not hesitate to buy the Suunto Core. 
>
>Any of these altimeters work by changes in barometric pressure so if the weather is changing their accuracy drops. You mitigate this by resetting the altimeter periodically at known elevations. This is easy as the guidebooks have the elevations. I use the altimeter to monitor my progress to a destination. If I have 600 feet to climb and the altimeter days I'm climbing 12 feet I know I will be there in 50 minutes (assuming a steady grade).
>
>The only thing not so useful to me is the thermometer. While wearing the watch it gives the temperature at my wrist, often much higher than air. Often it is above 85 degrees. I can take off the watch but then worry about leaving it behind. But I don't care about the temp much. 
>
>AsABat
>PCT Water Reports SoCal http://pct.4jeffrey.net
>Send water updates to water at 4jeffrey.net
>
>"John Abela" <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Hey Everybody,
>>
>>I have been wanting to bring this up for a few weeks.
>>
>>I would like to know every bodies thoughts on the higher end watches
>>like
>>Suunto Core, Timex Expeditions, Casio Pathfinder and so forth.
>>
>>None of these watches are cheap and some of them down-right crazy
>>expensive
>>(600+ for some).
>>
>>Me personally, being on the trail I often times (most days) like to
>>know the
>>time, the date (hey, days get long sometimes on the trail, eh), what
>>elevation I am at, and how freaking cold it is while I am all bundled
>>up
>>freezing and trying to sleep.
>>
>>That said, a person can get by without knowing pretty much most of that
>>-
>>and some would say all of that.
>>
>>
>>But, none the less, looking for thoughts from those of you who have
>>dropped
>>the money for some of these higher end watches.
>>
>>If there was a way to get the Suunto Core to display the time & the
>>temperature, I'd probably already own one. But, I don't want to fumble
>>around when it is 3am and freezing with pressing buttons, just to see
>>the
>>time and temp.
>>
>>John
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>Message: 20
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:30:37 -0800
>From: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lets Talk High-End Watches
>To: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
>Cc: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
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>I say spend your money on a good gps most have those features u mentioned
>and more and mostlikely cheaper and less weight.  Just my 2?
>On Jan 11, 2011 3:07 PM, "John Abela" <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>
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>
>Message: 21
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:03:31 -0800 (PST)
>From: Jon Smith <jsa106 at sfu.ca>
>Subject: [pct-l] New outfitter on Mt. Laguna
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID:
>	<1198062779.1642889.1294776211284.JavaMail.root at jaguar7.sfu.ca>
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>There is a new outfitter on Mt. Laguna: Laguna Mountain Sport and Supply, about 150 yards south of the Mt. Laguna store/lodge on Sunrise Highway. The owner is a guy named Dave (if I remember correctly), a former SEAL instructor who, unsurprisingly, seems to know a lot about every conceivable outdoor activity, from SCUBA to cross-country skiing. I had come up Laguna in 35 degree rain and 35 mph wind a couple of weeks ago (Dec. 29) when the trail was a river of slush; I had a good Arc'teryx raincoat on and my core was bone dry (thankfully) but not much else. I staggered in borderline hypothermic. Dave offered me a cup of hot chocolate, let me stand in front of the woodstove, called over to the lodge to make sure they had a room, gave my gear a once-over and gently (as in, managing not to imply I'd been an idiot) made a couple of suggestions (waterproof Black Diamond gloves, which I got to replace my soaked, merely windproof MEC ones; surprisingly cheap Helly Hansen rain pants, 
> which I didn't get--I have rain pants at home but didn't bring them--but I should have because I got soaked again from the waist down a few days later, this time in wet snow on Combs barreling through the overgrown part on the way down). "Hike wet, sleep dry" really works best above about 45-50 degrees F, I think. I had on a wicking shirt, midweight polypro, and down sweater under the raincoat, plus a fleece hat under the hood--and because of the wet nylon pants and gloves (and shoes and socks, but that's a given) was still WAY too cold. And that's with the warming effect of going uphill, pretty fast, with a pack full of food to last me to the Palms to Pines. I live in Canada, so I'm not a stranger to cold; I just didn't expect my SoCal vacation to come in the middle of quite such a cold snap. But that's the point, isn't it? 
>
>I don't have contact info for the store--he opened just before Christmas and didn't have business cards printed yet--but it might be nice if some folks in the SoCal PCT community made contact in the next couple of months to give him some tips on what to stock for hikers when the season starts. He's got good gear, not junk, and I think a lot of people might be looking for that as they discover the limits of their starter gear the first few days of their hike. 
>
>Devil 
>
>
>
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>Message: 22
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:43:49 -0800
>From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trying to enter Canada
>To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
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>On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:22 AM, Joshua Pinedo <joshua.pinedo at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> very good advise but I'm still a little uneasy, I'm not really sure about
>> international laws, but I would think that if they catch me in Canada and I
>> shouldn't be there I could face some serious repercussions, but again, I'm
>> figuring worst case scenarios.
>
>
>There is "the law" and there is what really happens.
>
>I have never heard of anyone actually asked for their paperwork in Canada,
>and those surrendering it (per the "law" ) when exiting Canada have often
>been met with confused or interested comments like "wow, never seen one of
>these before, eh.." from the Canadian authorities.
>
>Has anyone on the list every had their Canadian entry paperwork looked at by
>an official in Canada?
>
>Disclaimer: I am not advocating breaking any law in any country for any
>reason whatsoever.
>
>
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>
>Message: 23
>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 08:54:39 +0900
>From: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sauce
>To: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
>Cc: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>, PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID:
>	<AANLkTinxnsOzdHQXapjrQPM8cAXO_C=0hLXnPpTRideq at mail.gmail.com>
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>Thanks Scott
>
>One more my receipt.
>
>http://psycho01.edu.u-toyama.ac.jp/PA151896.jpg
>
>This is a pasta with dry vegetable ( radish leaf ) with chicken soup
>over fish ( vacuum packed ).
>
>
>
>2011/1/12 Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>:
>> That looks delicious Yoshihiro. ?You eat the most scrumptious looking meals
>> of anyone on trail. ?That looks like something I could order in a fine
>> restaurant in North Beach,(Italian neighborhood of SF). ?A trail version of
>> past putanesca maybe. ?Anyone who hasn't seen Yoshihiro's gorgeous pictures
>> of backpacking in Japan, and of his trips on the JMT, should go to his site.
>> ?They are liberally laced with shots of his meals, which will make you crave
>> good trail food.
>> Thanks for making me hungry first thing in the morning. ?Hold on, I'm always
>> hungry first thing in the morning. ?I'm having my "Smiles Special"
>> rehydrated rolled grains, nuts and dried fruit topped with yogurt, as I
>> type. ?I got to love that on trail with her, finished off with a big bag of
>> corn nuts and a pack of peanut butter crackers. ?Breakfast of Champions!
>> Shroomer
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>-- 
>Sincerely
>--------------- --------------------------------------
>Hiro? ? ( Yoshihiro Murakami )
>Blogs http://completewalker.blogspot.com/
>Photo http://picasaweb.google.co.jp/CompleteWalker/
>Backpacking for 30 years in Japan
>2009 JMT, the first America.
>2010 JMT, the second America.
>------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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>
>Message: 24
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:57:23 -0500 (EST)
>From: mctanker at earthlink.net
>Subject: [pct-l] Maps
>To: PCT-L at backcountry.net
>Message-ID:
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>Recommendations for best maps and guides appreciated.  Looking for best bang for my hard earned bucks!
>Thanks
>
>
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>
>Message: 25
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:00:53 -0800
>From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] So. Calif. Desert Water Caches
>To: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID:
>	<1315DB7B-E0AF-4AE7-A0BF-736AE3DBBB29 at santabarbarahikes.com>
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>I will assume you aren't going right now like the original person  
>said. The original person said that they were ready to hike that  
>section now. Right now any stream that was indicated as seasonal  
>would be in season at this moment and there might be a few streams  
>not mentioned in the various guides that would have some bonus water.  
>Also, right now the weather is pretty cool of not downright cold.
>
>As for how much water you need, what you need to do is get the latest  
>water report before you go so you know where the water is. Then you  
>need to know yourself. How much water do you normally drink? Are you  
>from the east coast or the Pacific Northwest and not used to hiking  
>in the warm sun? You can usually reach one water source each day.  
>Even if they are more than 20 miles apart, you will be able to do it.
>
>I am from So Cal, I am used to the conditions, I don't have a problem  
>being a little dehydrated when I hike. It doesn't bother me. I'm used  
>to the hot sun. I wear long pants and long sleeves and a large hat to  
>optimize my ability to stand it. I will drink out of guzzlers and  
>other sources (I can't believe I met hikers who did all of So Cal  
>without ever having to drink out of anything they found objectionable  
>like a guzzler. They did it all on water caches and faucets.) When I  
>hiked in 2008 I didn't find it terribly hot most of the time. It was  
>fairly pleasant. There were a few days that were hot. Deep Creek day  
>was 103. I had 5.5 liters of capacity and that was too much. I  
>managed to keep it close to full, too, out of paranoia. Man, was that  
>heavy! I returned the following year with only 3.5 liters of capacity  
>and made sure I drank a liter at every water source so I didn't have  
>to carry so much. That worked better for me.
>
>Other people carried 9 liters and drank every drop. So to answer the  
>question, you have to know yourself.
>
>Good luck with your hike!
>
>
>On Jan 11, 2011, at 7:22 AM, Melanie Clarke wrote:
>
>> Dear Diane,
>>
>> How much water should I bring during some of those long stretches  
>> of no
>> water?  About 2 gallons?  I don't want to have to depend on water  
>> caches.
>>
>> Melanie
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <
>> diane at santabarbarahikes.com> wrote:
>>
>>> After the rain we've had, you can do that section without water
>>> caches. Heck, you can do it without water caches during thru-hiker
>>> season, too.
>>> Diane
>>>
>>> On Jan 10, 2011, at 6:14 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>> When do the desert water caches begin to be replenished for the 2011
>>>> season...? I'm ready to do Scissors to San Jacinto now.
>>>>
>>>> Oregon Bound
>>>
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>Message: 26
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:03:18 -0800 (PST)
>From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lets Talk High-End Watches
>To: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>, PCT L
>	<pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>you can't put the pahtfinder on the level of the suunto.
>...one is a toy, and one is a tool.
>
>
>i HAD a pathfinder and a suunto observer.  neither of which were that 
>functionally impressive or worth the money, imho.
>
>the termperature readings won't be as accurate as a 5$ thermometer put on your 
>backpack, because your wrist will throw them both off.
>
>the altimeter will not be accurate enough for navigation;  but the suunto is 
>MUUUUCH better at this.  
>
>the suunto seemlessly turns on the altimeter when yo uare in motion and turns it 
>off while you sleep.  meaking it more accurate than a pathfinder which needs 
>recallibrated every 2 or 3 days from a known elevation and is useless if the 
>weather changes.
>mt PG was often off by hundreds of feet after only 3 days on the trail.  suunto 
>was 'usually' within 100 feet.  i returned one and ebayed the other and am much 
>happier for it,
>~Paul
>
>PS, the suunto core is a different setup than the observer, so i dont know about 
>it specifically,  suunto definitely wins in the sexy category.
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
>To: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 5:19:53 PM
>Subject: [pct-l] Lets Talk High-End Watches
>
>Hey Everybody,
>
>I have been wanting to bring this up for a few weeks.
>
>I would like to know every bodies thoughts on the higher end watches like
>Suunto Core, Timex Expeditions, Casio Pathfinder and so forth.
>
>None of these watches are cheap and some of them down-right crazy expensive
>(600+ for some).
>
>Me personally, being on the trail I often times (most days) like to know the
>time, the date (hey, days get long sometimes on the trail, eh), what
>elevation I am at, and how freaking cold it is while I am all bundled up
>freezing and trying to sleep.
>
>That said, a person can get by without knowing pretty much most of that -
>and some would say all of that.
>
>
>But, none the less, looking for thoughts from those of you who have dropped
>the money for some of these higher end watches.
>
>If there was a way to get the Suunto Core to display the time & the
>temperature, I'd probably already own one. But, I don't want to fumble
>around when it is 3am and freezing with pressing buttons, just to see the
>time and temp.
>
>John
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>Message: 27
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:06:36 -0800
>From: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lets Talk High-End Watches
>To: Michael Pinkus <mikepinkus at hotmail.com>
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID:
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>Like I said get your self a nice gps
>On Jan 11, 2011 3:59 PM, "Michael Pinkus" <mikepinkus at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,I have the Casio Pathfinder. It's not a bad watch being a solar powered
>one. My only beef is the thermometer actually measures your body temp as
>opposed to the outside temp. For that, you have to take it off your wrist
>and let it stabilize....
>>
>>> From: pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com
>>> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:19:53 -0800
>>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>>> Subject: [pct-l] Lets Talk High-End Watches
>>>
>>> Hey Everybody,
>>>
>>> I have been wanting to bring this up for a few weeks.
>>>
>>> I would like to know every bodies thoughts on the higher end watches like
>>> Suunto Core, Timex Expeditions, Casio Pathfinder and so forth.
>>>
>>> None of these watches are cheap and some of them down-right crazy
>expensive
>>> (600+ for some).
>>>
>>> Me personally, being on the trail I often times (most days) like to know
>the
>>> time, the date (hey, days get long sometimes on the trail, eh), what
>>> elevation I am at, and how freaking cold it is while I am all bundled up
>>> freezing and trying to sleep.
>>>
>>> That said, a person can get by without knowing pretty much most of that -
>>> and some would say all of that.
>>>
>>>
>>> But, none the less, looking for thoughts from those of you who have
>dropped
>>> the money for some of these higher end watches.
>>>
>>> If there was a way to get the Suunto Core to display the time & the
>>> temperature, I'd probably already own one. But, I don't want to fumble
>>> around when it is 3am and freezing with pressing buttons, just to see the
>>> time and temp.
>>>
>>> John
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>Message: 28
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:16:40 -0800 (PST)
>From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject)
>To: Benjamin Grunbaum <bengrunbaum at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
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>the question is dynamic,
>
>what's your base weight, and how many CU in do you use before food and water?  
>what will be a big determiner in your overall pack and what you need to carry.
>
>the most food you 'MUST' carry is like 6 days if you push it...  but prepping 
>for a few ten day stretches allows you to enjoy the trail more.  zeros on the 
>trail are magical; and much cheaper than zeros in town.
>
>as for containers for the water, the best lightest option are the lightweight 
>gatorade liter bottles.   almost indestructible and replaceable at a whim.  and 
>if your stretch doesn't required quite as much you can ditch a few bottles, and 
>pick up a few more at the next town.  actually lighter but less versatile are 2 
>Liter soda bottles.  and one on either side of a ULA circuit is a nice setup 
>that i use often for shorter hikes.  i like the ocean spray cranberry juice 
>bottle because of their wide mouth's 
>
>
>bear canister the whole time?  an extra 2lb 4 oz for nothing?  my humble opinion 
>is carry the bear canister only as required.  and practice safe techniques in 
>other places.  2lb 4 oz is A HUGE amount of weight; and would be much better 
>spent elsewhere.
>
>the biggest thing is,  how much total weight are you carrying?  with a good 
>base-weight (10 or 12 lbs) the idea of carrying a bear canister for nothing 
>begins to seem more and more unreasonable.  obviously if you already have 30 lbs 
>in your pack is can go almost unnoticed.
>
>my humble opine,
>~Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Benjamin Grunbaum <bengrunbaum at gmail.com>
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Sent: Mon, January 10, 2011 11:03:52 PM
>Subject: [pct-l] (no subject)
>
>Rather than skim through the database of forum entries longer than I already
>have I thought I would ask some questions which I am sure have been asked
>many times before.  I am curious as to what those who have done the PCT
>recommend for those parts of the trail where one may need to carry a little
>extra water or lots of food.  What kind of container and how much water does
>one need to carry on the longer stretches without a source? What is the most
>food that one must carry? I have a Bearvault 500 bear canister and was
>wondering if anyone carries them the whole time?  I carry mine whenever I go
>backpacking know but have never done anything nearly as long as the PCT.
>Any knowledge and suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>Ben
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>Message: 29
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:21:54 -0800 (PST)
>From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] social interaction / dealing with disagreeable
>	people...
>To: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>thanks all for the encouraging replies about this.  it really put me back in the 
>right mood.  i'll just shrug off what happens on here,  adsorb the knowledge i 
>can and try and see what to sift through.  as for actual trail interactions i'll 
>just think on my 2010 experience and not worry about it.
>
>actually echo brought up that i often seem confrontation when i type so maybe 
>it's the fact that emotions are readily read online as well.  so when someone is 
>giving a contracy opinion, what would seem constructive in person ends up being 
>inflammatory in interpretation.  
>
>
>~Paul
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
>To: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Sent: Mon, January 10, 2011 12:45:59 PM
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] social interaction / dealing with disagreeable people...
>
>Good points Tom. And Paul, over the entire trip last year, I only met one
>person I didn't care to spend time with, and it was the constant stonedness,
>and centrality of drugs that was the issue for me as well, but none of the
>flaming rhetoric that occurs on the list.  I didn't meet anyone on trail who
>was a flat out asshole.  And bonding with others on trail was a wonderful
>part of the hike for me.  The morning might be spent talking music,
>philosophy, art, beauty, health, food, sex, politics, love, or be just
>quiet.  But the people and groups I hiked with, I really liked.  And it was
>no problem bonding with new folks when extra zero's or a different pace
>broke up a certain hiking group.  It was just great to get to know the new
>bunch.  Some, however, I traveled 1,500 miles or more with, and felt just as
>good about them at the end as at the begining.
>
>You and Echo are two people who will never have a problem picking up friends
>on trail.  That is clear to me from the begining sections we did together.
>Tom's points about the relative anonymity of email posts is spot on.  It's
>kind of akin to road rage, where the anonymity of not really having to look
>another human in the face, can bring out the real jerk in many people.
>
>Shroomer
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>Message: 30
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 19:22:05 -0500
>From: Ernie Castillo <erniec01 at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Brown Bear
>To: <debrisflowavalanche at gmail.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <COL112-W64C705A611C2AE9B6DE675D8F10 at phx.gbl>
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>
>I wonder if the bears say something similar. 
>Bear One: "Do you think that thru-hiker would taste good dipped in honey?"
>Bear Two: "Nah, let's hold out for a Heavy Trucker."
>
>Ernie Castillo
>PCT Class of 1980
>
>
> 
>> From: debrisflowavalanche at gmail.com
>> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 17:47:05 -0800
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Subject: [pct-l] Brown Bear
>> 
>> Is this type of bear good roasted slowly over the campfire?
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
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>Message: 31
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:29:08 -0800
>From: Timothy Nye <timpnye at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lets Talk High-End Watches
>To: Michael Pinkus <mikepinkus at hotmail.com>, 	Pacific Crest Trail List
>	<pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>Hi John,
>
>I got a Suunto 9 years ago, I don't know what model it is or even if they
>had different models back then.  It does, however, display the temp and time
>concurrently if you set it for the barometric function.  Temperature on top
>and time on the bottom.  Of course, you have to press and hold the button on
>two o'clock position in order to initiate the watch's illumination
>feature so that you can see this.  When hiking I'm concerned about an
>accurate temp (and this affects the accuracy of the altimeter and barometer)
>I loop the watch band on some external piece of clothing, loop, etc.
>
>Perhaps a less expensive option is to see if you can find one of these old
>one's for sale used.  It does have the advantage of a compass feature which
>I've actually relied on in clouds/fog.  There's no point in a lensmatic
>compass as no one's shooting back azimuths on the PCT.  I don't carry a
>GPS.  I find that I do rely on the altimeter function to measure my
>elevation gain of loss and this helpful.
>
>Just a thought.
>
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>Message: 32
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:30:07 -0800 (PST)
>From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lets Talk High-End Watches
>To: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>,	John Abela
>	<pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
>Cc: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>. . . this is a good point,  a nice GPS can be 200$;  and will give you altitude 
>and show you EXACTLY where you are on the trail.  removing all the guesswork
>~Paul
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
>To: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
>Cc: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 6:30:37 PM
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lets Talk High-End Watches
>
>I say spend your money on a good gps most have those features u mentioned
>and more and mostlikely cheaper and less weight.  Just my 2?
>On Jan 11, 2011 3:07 PM, "John Abela" <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
>wrote:
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>Message: 33
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:39:41 -0800
>From: Michael Pinkus <mikepinkus at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] New outfitter on Mt. Laguna
>To: <jsa106 at sfu.ca>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
>Thanks for that update Jon, as a fellow Canadian, I am no stranger to snow either! That outfitter might be a good point to evaluate what I brought and replace if necessary.
>cheers,Mike
>
>> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:03:31 -0800
>> From: jsa106 at sfu.ca
>> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Subject: [pct-l] New outfitter on Mt. Laguna
>> 
>> There is a new outfitter on Mt. Laguna: Laguna Mountain Sport and Supply, about 150 yards south of the Mt. Laguna store/lodge on Sunrise Highway. The owner is a guy named Dave (if I remember correctly), a former SEAL instructor who, unsurprisingly, seems to know a lot about every conceivable outdoor activity, from SCUBA to cross-country skiing. I had come up Laguna in 35 degree rain and 35 mph wind a couple of weeks ago (Dec. 29) when the trail was a river of slush; I had a good Arc'teryx raincoat on and my core was bone dry (thankfully) but not much else. I staggered in borderline hypothermic. Dave offered me a cup of hot chocolate, let me stand in front of the woodstove, called over to the lodge to make sure they had a room, gave my gear a once-over and gently (as in, managing not to imply I'd been an idiot) made a couple of suggestions (waterproof Black Diamond gloves, which I got to replace my soaked, merely windproof MEC ones; surprisingly cheap Helly Hansen rain pants
> , 
>>  which I didn't get--I have rain pants at home but didn't bring them--but I should have because I got soaked again from the waist down a few days later, this time in wet snow on Combs barreling through the overgrown part on the way down). "Hike wet, sleep dry" really works best above about 45-50 degrees F, I think. I had on a wicking shirt, midweight polypro, and down sweater under the raincoat, plus a fleece hat under the hood--and because of the wet nylon pants and gloves (and shoes and socks, but that's a given) was still WAY too cold. And that's with the warming effect of going uphill, pretty fast, with a pack full of food to last me to the Palms to Pines. I live in Canada, so I'm not a stranger to cold; I just didn't expect my SoCal vacation to come in the middle of quite such a cold snap. But that's the point, isn't it? 
>> 
>> I don't have contact info for the store--he opened just before Christmas and didn't have business cards printed yet--but it might be nice if some folks in the SoCal PCT community made contact in the next couple of months to give him some tips on what to stock for hikers when the season starts. He's got good gear, not junk, and I think a lot of people might be looking for that as they discover the limits of their starter gear the first few days of their hike. 
>> 
>> Devil 
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>Message: 34
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:50:04 -0800
>From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Sauce
>To: Yoshihiro Murakami <completewalker at gmail.com>
>Cc: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>, PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>You eat so well!  It's dinner time in CA, and now I'm really hungry.
>
>Nice to hear from you.
>
>Shroomer
>
>On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Yoshihiro Murakami <
>completewalker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Scott
>>
>> One more my receipt.
>>
>> http://psycho01.edu.u-toyama.ac.jp/PA151896.jpg
>>
>> This is a pasta with dry vegetable ( radish leaf ) with chicken soup
>> over fish ( vacuum packed ).
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/1/12 Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>:
>> > That looks delicious Yoshihiro.  You eat the most scrumptious looking
>> meals
>> > of anyone on trail.  That looks like something I could order in a fine
>> > restaurant in North Beach,(Italian neighborhood of SF).  A trail version
>> of
>> > past putanesca maybe.  Anyone who hasn't seen Yoshihiro's gorgeous
>> pictures
>> > of backpacking in Japan, and of his trips on the JMT, should go to his
>> site.
>> >  They are liberally laced with shots of his meals, which will make you
>> crave
>> > good trail food.
>> > Thanks for making me hungry first thing in the morning.  Hold on, I'm
>> always
>> > hungry first thing in the morning.  I'm having my "Smiles Special"
>> > rehydrated rolled grains, nuts and dried fruit topped with yogurt, as I
>> > type.  I got to love that on trail with her, finished off with a big bag
>> of
>> > corn nuts and a pack of peanut butter crackers.  Breakfast of Champions!
>> > Shroomer
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sincerely
>> --------------- --------------------------------------
>> Hiro    ( Yoshihiro Murakami )
>> Blogs http://completewalker.blogspot.com/
>> Photo http://picasaweb.google.co.jp/CompleteWalker/
>> Backpacking for 30 years in Japan
>> 2009 JMT, the first America.
>> 2010 JMT, the second America.
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>
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>Message: 35
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:53:58 -0800
>From: Palomino <palomino.pct at gmail.com>
>Subject: [pct-l] Maps
>To: PCT-L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>I carry Halfmile's maps plus the relevant data book pages plus Yogi's
>laminated info cards. In So Cal I carry AsABat's water report, too. I have
>read and re-read and re-read the guidebook pages, so now I leave them at
>home.
>
>Jim Ostdick
>Palomino
>San Juan Bautista, CA
>
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>Message: 36
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:01:27 -0800 (PST)
>From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Maps
>To: mctanker at earthlink.net, PCT-L at backcountry.net
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>without a doubt,  halfmile's maps;  and with the possible addition of select 
>parts of Yogi's guide.
>~Paul
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: "mctanker at earthlink.net" <mctanker at earthlink.net>
>To: PCT-L at backcountry.net
>Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 6:57:23 PM
>Subject: [pct-l] Maps
>
>Recommendations for best maps and guides appreciated.  Looking for best bang for 
>my hard earned bucks!
>Thanks
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>Message: 37
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:10:32 -0800
>From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Trying to enter Canada
>To: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
>Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>That was my experience, and everyone else's I've spoken too from last year
>Brick.  No one was asked for a thing, and no one at the border had ever seen
>the forms we handed them.  They only wanted our pass ports to get back into
>the US.  That's not to say that won't change, maybe they are following this
>discussion, and will change policy.  But to hire a border officer to check
>for PCT hikers papers in the middle of nowhere in BC, when the smugglers, or
>whoever they are targeting, are coming over at the peace arch, seems very
>counterproductive.
>
>Shroomer
>
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>Message: 38
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:11:02 -0800 (PST)
>From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] So. Calif. Desert Water Caches
>To: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>,
>	Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>i have heard several people say 3 miles per liter.
>
>personally i couldn't drink more than 4 miles per liter...   in temperate 
>weather i would go 2 liters for ten miles.
>
>... this assumes you camp somewhere where you can drink your fill.
>
>one opinion of many;
>make your own decisions about safety;  lack of water is no joke.  this is what i 
>do, and not a recommendation , blah blah ; )
>~Paul
>
>
>
>On Jan 11, 2011, at 7:22 AM, Melanie Clarke wrote:
>
>> Dear Diane,
>>
>> How much water should I bring during some of those long stretches  
>> of no
>> water?  About 2 gallons?  I don't want to have to depend on water  
>> caches.
>>
>> Melanie
>
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>Message: 39
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:11:22 -0800
>From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Maps
>To: mctanker at earthlink.net
>Cc: PCT-L at backcountry.net
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>Halfmile's by far.
>
>Shroomer
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>Message: 40
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:23:44 -0800
>From: "Deems" <losthiker at sisqtel.net>
>Subject: [pct-l]  Night lighting
>To: "pct" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>Message-ID: <8F4FFCAD6AD54D0FBD17195F8960E7A3 at S0029439031>
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>I really like the 3oz 3AAA Black Diamond Spot, it has an incredible pencil 
>beam to point out the culprits making those frighting night time forest 
>noises. You'll see their eyes a mile away! I run it on lithium AAAs, which 
>last longer, and weigh less. I used it for my climb on Mt Rainier and it 
>worked perfect for hours. Petzl doesn't recommend lithium for their lights 
>which makes it a poor choice, imo.  I have also carried the 1oz Black 
>Diamond Ion, but it takes a pricey battery, but it has worked well for me. 
>I carry one of the little fingernail lights in my camera bag, weighs 
>nothing, as my backup; but I really don't like it for my nighttime 
>lifestyle. 
>
>
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>Message: 41
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:26:47 -0800
>From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] So. Calif. Desert Water Caches
>To: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID:
>	<E38A08AA-8E2A-4C77-97D3-CAA5AE390A97 at santabarbarahikes.com>
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>I don't think I could drink a liter every 3 or 4 miles. I would get  
>very sick. 3 liters in a whole day, including meals, plus a liter of  
>lemonade at a water source is about right. For ME.
>On Jan 11, 2011, at 5:11 PM, Paul Robison wrote:
>
>> i have heard several people say 3 miles per liter.
>>
>> personally i couldn't drink more than 4 miles per liter...   in  
>> temperate
>> weather i would go 2 liters for ten miles.
>>
>> ... this assumes you camp somewhere where you can drink your fill.
>>
>> one opinion of many;
>> make your own decisions about safety;  lack of water is no joke.   
>> this is what i
>> do, and not a recommendation , blah blah ; )
>> ~Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2011, at 7:22 AM, Melanie Clarke wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Diane,
>>>
>>> How much water should I bring during some of those long stretches
>>> of no
>>> water?  About 2 gallons?  I don't want to have to depend on water
>>> caches.
>>>
>>> Melanie
>>
>>
>
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>Message: 42
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:30:08 -0800
>From: Tortoise <Tortoise73 at charter.net>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Halfmile's PCT maps & GPS data
>To: enyapjr at comcast.net
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <4D2D0420.3040105 at charter.net>
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>and a thousand kudos to Halfmile for all his great work.
>
>Tortoise
>
><> Because truth matters.  <>
>
>On 01/10/11 07:45, enyapjr at comcast.net wrote:
>> FYI...
>>
>> Halfmile's maps and GPS data for Oregon have been updated as of 1/9/11...
>> (California updates were previously completed 12/12/10)
>> "Washington will be updated later in January."
>>
>> The updates include "additional points for campsites, water resources and other important hiker landmarks."
>>
>> See<http://www.pctmap.net/>  ...
>>
>> Happy trails!!!
>> Jim (PITA)
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>Message: 43
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:31:32 -0800
>From: <albert at survivalcrafters.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Night lighting
>To: "'John Abela'" <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>,
>	<pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
>I'm checking out the options now and will probably go with 1 headlamp and
>one Arc-AAA or similar light for a backup. No one said they don't carry any
>light at all and that was my main question, to see if it might not be
>needed. Thanks for the link. 
>
>-Albert
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
>On Behalf Of John Abela
>Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:54 PM
>To: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Night lighting
>
>Ditto what Steel-Eye said. Exactly the same here. One stays in my safety/med
>bag and the other roams.
>
>Oh, and twist off the stupid metal clip that is on them (very easy to do)
>and you can save yourself a wee-bit more grams. (or replace them with a
>lighter McGizmo clip)
>
>And, if you want something indestructible yet still *relatively* light,
>score yourself one of the "Arc-AAA" lights.
>http://www.arcflashlight.com/arc-aaa.shtml - seriously long battery life [2+
>years] and you'll never break this sucker (yes, I have tried on the 5 or so
>that I own)
>
>
>On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:33 PM, CHUCK CHELIN <steeleye at wildblue.net>wrote:
>
>> I use a Photon Freedom LED light.  In fact since they only weigh 0.263 
>> ounces each, and usually cost less than $15. I carry two of them.
>>
>> Steel-Eye
>>
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>Message: 44
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:33:57 -0700
>From: Vermilion Valley Resort <pct-l at edisonlake.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Breaking News!!!
>To: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Hiker97 <hiker97 at aol.com>
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>WOW... what did you do to Jim?
>
>Reinhold Metzger wrote:
>> Bill,
>> Please accept my humble apology,.....it was Jim.
>> That louse didn't even give me the customery free beer or soda you 
>> give JMT and PCT thru hikers.
>>
>> JMT Reinhold
>> ........................................
>>
>> Huh?
>> I wasn't at VVR last summer.... it's the one year since Jim bought the 
>> place that I didn't go...
>>
>> Bill
>> ........................................................
>>  Reinhold Metzger wrote
>> /Say Bill, //
>> Why did you call me "The Trouble Maker" when I picked up my 
>> //resupplies at VVR last summer? //
>> I am hurt and deeply offended....I DEMAND A APOLOGY!!!!!!! //
>> I know Switchback is the list's "enemy #1"....but I should at least 
>> //rank #2....not just merely a "Trouble Maker". ////
>> JMT Reinhold //Enemy #2
>> .........................................................
>> //
>> On 1/5/2011 7:20 PM, Vermilion Valley Resort wrote: //
>> Hiro,//
>> I cringe to think of the "English" you're learning at VVR ;) //
>>
>> Bill /
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>Message: 45
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:34:45 -0800
>From: Michael Pinkus <mikepinkus at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lets Talk High-End Watches
>To: <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>, <gerry0625 at gmail.com>,
>	<pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
>Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
>Message-ID: <SNT127-W65A59EC1DEB41F389E38DCDFF10 at phx.gbl>
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>
>Not owning a gps or having much experience with them other that when I was in the military, what would be a good one for the pct?
>
>> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:30:07 -0800
>> From: paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com
>> To: gerry0625 at gmail.com; pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com
>> CC: pct-l at backcountry.net
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lets Talk High-End Watches
>> 
>> . . . this is a good point,  a nice GPS can be 200$;  and will give you altitude 
>> and show you EXACTLY where you are on the trail.  removing all the guesswork
>> ~Paul
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
>> To: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
>> Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 6:30:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lets Talk High-End Watches
>> 
>> I say spend your money on a good gps most have those features u mentioned
>> and more and mostlikely cheaper and less weight.  Just my 2?
>> On Jan 11, 2011 3:07 PM, "John Abela" <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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