[pct-l] "Stiches" Pct-L Digest, Vol 38, Issue 50
Kimberly Sorbello
ksorbello at hotmail.com
Wed Feb 23 12:29:39 CST 2011
I have had the unfortunate experience of a significant gouging in the calf by an unnoticed jagged 1" diameter bush stump. Because my legs were very pumped up (it happened at the TOP of the
climb) what would have been a deep scratch pulled wide open from the
surface tension and tautness of the skin surface. After stopping the bleeding, we flushed it with filtered water, used the bandages including a full-calf wrap to maintain pressure. Thankfully I was on a local 5-mile mountainous training loop only 1/2 hour from a hospital. I hiked down the mountain a bit more slowly, and in the ER the wound was cleaned more thoroughly and I received several stitches, but the ER doc said that stitches are primarily for cosmetic purposes, to minimize scarring, and the wounds actually heal better if left open. He gave me steristrips and a very tiny tube (almost like a large clear capped capsule or pipette) of a betadyne-looking liquid which helps the steri strips stick to the skin and stay put a long time. It is what is used in hospital settings, and what was used on my child's chest after open-heart surgery. Steristrips aren't individually wrapped, but come grouped on a small piece of plasticized paper, and you can cut it to take 10 or fewer. The combo of steristrips and pipette barely weigh grams together. It is the combo we always carry in our minimalist 1st aid kit. I haven't done the PCT, but the JMT, so similarly weight-and-risk conscious. Our most recent Wilderness First Aid instructor also said they no longer recommend alcohol, but she also rolled her eyes a bit as she said it and said that was just what she had to teach. We carried a tiny amount anyway.
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> 1. Re: Stitches (Kevin Cook)
> 2. Re: SPOT Alternatives (Kevin Cook)
> 3. Re: Stitches (Eric)
> 4. Current snow conditions (Michael Herrera)
> 5. Re: Current snow conditions (Alphabetsoup)
> 6. Re: Fwd: Canadian Border (Ryan Tinkle)
> 7. singing the ultralight blues (Tow, Doug)
> 8. singing the ultralight blues (Matthew Edwards)
> 9. Re: singing the ultralight blues (Paul Robison)
> 10. Re: singing the ultralight blues (Rod Belshee)
> 11. SPOT vs Cell info. (Edward Anderson)
> 12. Re: Stitches (Rod Belshee)
> 13. stitches (Amanda L Silvestri)
> 14. Re: singing the ultralight blues (dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com)
> 15. Re: (no subject) (Paul Robison)
> 16. Re: Stitches (Kathi)
> 17. Re: SPOT vs Cell Phone (Jim Bravo)
> 18. Re: Stitches (Melanie Clarke)
> 19. Re: For those rejected by Canada... (Gregory Wilson)
> 20. Re: Stitches (Melanie Clarke)
> 21. Hardcore Hiker Test (hiker97 at aol.com)
> 22. Re: Hardcore Hiker Test (Melanie Clarke)
> 23. Re: Hardcore Hiker Test (J M)
> 24. Re: For those rejected by Canada... (Bob Bankhead)
> 25. Re: Hardcore Hiker Test (Randy Forsland)
> 26. Re: Help getting to Campo (Ken Marlow)
> 27. Downloading pictures from cameras? (Eric)
> 28. Re: singing the ultralight blues (Eric)
> 29. Re: Downloading pictures from cameras? (Gerry Zamora)
> 30. Re: singing the ultralight blues (John Abela)
> 31. Re: Downloading pictures from cameras? ('Sourdough' Foster)
> 32. PHONES - Straight Talk Vs/ Verizon ('Sourdough' Foster)
> 33. Re: Thru Hikers by date: revised. ('Sourdough' Foster)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:56:30 -0700
> From: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stitches
> To: Eric <johner27 at evergreen.edu>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I got my info about super glue from my WOFR instructor. It was awhile ago
> (like 20 years almost), but that's what I know.
> I've used super glue to close wounds. It works great. This was after
> applying "well aimed, direct pressure" and getting the bleeding to stop. The
> glue just kept the wound from reopening. I also bandage them as well. I
> don't recall being told NOT to use alcohol, but that the time I didn't carry
> alcohol. We just flushed with the cleanest water available as per
> instructions. I'm willing to give up the alcohol idea. Seems like there is a
> reason they use it in the hospital though.
>
> I'm gonna have to question the glue needing to be surgically removed. When I
> used it on myself, it came off like a scab as the cut healed. I'm not
> suggesting you pour it into the bottom of the wound. I use it to just close
> the wound at the skin. I've only done it twice. Both times on cuts that were
> going to likely keep reopening without the aid of super glue.
>
> If you really want the "good stuff" there is this:
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00061MUAG/ref=nosim/kkorg-20
> This is like the stuff used everywhere outside the US for years. The FDA
> never approved super glue because it can cause skin irritation. They have
> finally approved this new variant:
> http://www.amazon.com/Dermabond-Topical-Adhesive-5ml-vial/dp/B0024L19I0
>
> HYOH, and do NOT listen to me for medical advice, ever! I'm not spending the
> extra $$ though. I'll carry the tiny little bottle of super glue the same as
> I have for almost 20 years. It can be used for lots of other things besides
> wound care as well. Multi purpose is the goal, right? ;)
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Eric <johner27 at evergreen.edu> wrote:
>
> > Paul, I definitely agree with you. I recently completed a WFA course and
> > our
> > professor repeatedly told us to just clean with water. Also, as far as
> > super glue goes, I hope everyone would NOT use it as if you close a wound
> > with this, the glue will need to be surgically removed. The better
> > solution
> > would be to stop the bleeding, wrap the wound, and get out of the
> > backcountry ASAP.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Eric
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry to chime in like this but it is VERY VERY important you don't clean
> > > with alcohol if medical attention is not near...
> > > ...Secondary infections like gangrene and other worse options are caused
> > by
> > > alcohol cured wounds. Alcohol destroys simple bacteria but t also
> > destroys
> > > your body's antibodies in the area, leaving your wound as basically a
> > Petrie
> > > dish for whatever the strongest thing there happens to be
> > >
> > > Unless broad spectrum Antibiotics are available within a day, DO NOT
> > clean
> > > with alcohol. Irrigate with water and leave he bacteria alone until
> > medical
> > > help is around...
> > >
> > > About superglue... Try make a non toxic glue made from
> > > polyacrimides<(spelling?). That are inert, but it's like 60$ a tube at
> > > amazon.
> > >
> > > I'll take a little blood poisoning on the far outside chance that could
> > > happen. Superglue is mildly carcinogenic in the blood stream, but so are
> > > thousands of other polymer based products we put on our skin.
> > >
> > >
> > > ... Btw, this is much more important in bush situations, but assess your
> > > own safety... Most likely if you get hurt you'll be found in an hour or
> > two,
> > > but in some places it could be a while. First aid is a seriously
> > important
> > > skill and I recommend everyone study what he us marines do for medical
> > > attention... Their field medics (navy medics I believe? Unsure) are the
> > > best.
> > > Sent from my iPod
> > >
> > > On 2011-02-22, at 12:24 PM, Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mr Bulk is right, use super glue. Some alcohol can be used to
> > disinfect,
> > > > then close the wound with super glue. The medical industry won't openly
> > > > endorse this, but it's a pretty common practice. There are 2 concerns
> > > with
> > > > this though. First, it creates a very well sealed closure to the wound.
> > > > While this is good for keeping things out, it also keeps anything in.
> > > > Irrigate and clean the wound well before closing! Second, the medical
> > > folks
> > > > are concerned about the glue being absorbed into the body. While I
> > > haven't
> > > > heard anyone say it's bad, it's reasonable for them to err on the side
> > of
> > > > caution. My theory is, we're exposed to so many toxins in modern
> > society,
> > > > the risk associated with using super glue to close a wound is probably
> > > > smaller than the risk of not dealing with the wound.
> > > >
> > > > I carry a tiny bottle of super glue in my first aid kit. Actually,
> > thanks
> > > > for reminding me of this, I should probably get a new one. Mine is
> > > several
> > > > years old. It's unopened, but for $2, I think I'll replace it ;)
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Nitnoid1 <nitnoid1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Super glue may work but you would have to look it up. I've heard it
> > > being
> > > >> used in emergency situations far from an ER.
> > > >>
> > > >> The Incredible Bulk
> > > >>
> > > >> On Feb 22, 2011, at 8:03 AM, Amanda L Silvestri <aslive at sbcglobal.net
> > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> I have always been careful while out hiking/backpacking and so have
> > > never
> > > >> yet been cut much worse that a scape or scratch, never the less, it
> > > seems to
> > > >> me that the possibility of tripping or falling (off a slick log or
> > loose
> > > >> rock cliff or whatever) or impaling oneself with a branch, is a
> > > possibility.
> > > >> Even so, I have yet to see in the content list for a First Aid kit, a
> > > >> curved needle for stitching up lacerations. I would not enjoy having
> > to
> > > do
> > > >> this, but I can imagine a situation where a butterfly bandage might
> > not
> > > be
> > > >> enough. It is likewise not hard to imagine this happening some days
> > > away
> > > >> from a road crossing/trail head. Does anyone carry anything for
> > > stitches in
> > > >> their First Aid kit or do most people just use regular needle and
> > thread
> > > (or
> > > >> dental floss) hoping that will do the trick?
> > > >>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:59:04 -0700
> From: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] SPOT Alternatives
> To: "James F. Miller" <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>
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> hmm tent fire, better carry a spare tent! ;)
>
> How far do we carry this? LOL
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:42 PM, James F. Miller
> <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> >
> > Probably should carry a spare set of paper maps in case of a tent fire!
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:33:21 -0800
> > > From: paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com
> > > To: devon.taig at gmail.com
> > > CC: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] SPOT Alternatives
> > >
> > > i would like to respectfully disagree,
> > > i've broken a lot more compasses than garmins in the past... and have
> > dropped
> > > both about the same number of times. compass's do shatter / break / leak
> > fluid
> > > ... and i'm often replacing my compass's when i take a spill (at 60 bucks
> > a
> > > piece for the brunton TDCL i use). my last eTrex fell about 15 foot onto
> > > granite and was fine, and later washed away in a "creek" (waist deep
> > snowmelt)
> > > and i recovered it the next day in the water and it ran once i opened it
> > up and
> > > dried it out.
> > >
> > > so far my dakota has only taken one good spill about 12 foot onto a stone
> > > wash... it didn't even reboot. many compass's would not have held up to
> > that.
> > >
> > > ... that said you could carry 2 compass's for the weight of a GPS. of
> > course
> > > once you add in paper maps the compass route is FAR heavier (like 0.03
> > > micrograms heavier! j/k )
> > >
> > > a compass that you're using for real navigation is going to be 3 ish
> > ounces, at
> > > least 2.5 " 0.03 micrograms " is a drastic understatement. a compass's
> > weight
> > > is real and significant. those 2 dollar micro compass's aren't going to
> > help
> > > you if you have to cover a long distance.
> > >
> > >
> > > ... there was a time when people didn't trust cell phones... they wanted
> > a land
> > > line... compass's are going this way too. btw, by the time you add in a
> > bunch
> > > of paper maps, and 2 compass's, you could carry 2 GPS's as a backup ; )
> > >
> > > My humble opine,
> > > ~Paul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Devon Taig <devon.taig at gmail.com>
> > > To: James F. Miller <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>
> > > Cc: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > > Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 5:16:57 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [pct-l] SPOT Alternatives
> > >
> > > I've been told by sources that if you can hike 2650 miles on the PCT,
> > then
> > > you aren't too old to import .gpx data into your Droid. This apparently
> > > spells doom for me though since I'm still struggling to program my VHS
> > > recorder (but if I ever do figure it out, I'll be taping Miami Vice and
> > > that's gonna be radical, man!).
> > >
> > > Anyway, just a word from a wise old man who hiked the PCT in 1991...carry
> > a
> > > compass and the knowledge to use it. The .03 micrograms won't break your
> > > back, and the likelihood of the earth's magnetic pole shifting is
> > > considerably less than running out of batteries or breaking your GPS.
> > Back
> > > in 91' on the trail, by gum, we didn't have no fancy GPS thingies. And we
> > > had to carry a compass! Built character, yes-sir-ee. And the trail was
> > > uphill in *both* directions back then too...30 foot drifts of snow (and
> > that
> > > was in the Mojave)...
> > >
> > > Devon
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 2:15 PM, James F. Miller
> > > <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I have Backcountry Navigator (BN) on my Droid X. I have started the
> > work to
> > > >
> > > > to put the halfmile maps and data on it, but I haven't figure out the
> > > > importing of the maps to BN.
> > > >
> > > > Am I too old?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:49:43 -0600
> > > > > From: ron.a.guay2 at gmail.com
> > > > > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > > > Subject: [pct-l] SPOT Alternatives
> > > > >
> > > > > Those with android devices... Consider using backcountry navigator...
> > It
> > > > > allows you to import gpx data... and download maps off-line... I have
> > my
> > > > > phone setup with the entire p c t... using my topo maps and half
> > miles
> > > > > data... his way points and track data. In theory this should be
> > cool...
> > > > > since I can see all the water icons trail junctions..etc... relative
> > to
> > > > my
> > > > > location. It is a lot of work... but it was fun...
> > > > >
> > > > > However, in practice this could all fail... and that is why I have
> > > > packets
> > > > > of paper data... as described in yogi's handbook.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you want to record tracks/waypoints...you may want to
> > > > > consider...oruxmaps. The apps take a bit to get comfortable using...
> > take
> > > > > your time.
> > > > >
> > > > > (Typed using google voice)
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:59:14 -0800
> From: Eric <johner27 at evergreen.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stitches
> To: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I should also say that this is just my personal opinion about super glue,
> based on what I was told by *my* WFA instructor. Not intended to be medical
> advice. Good idea on the multi-purpose though!
>
> Regards,
> Eric
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I got my info about super glue from my WOFR instructor. It was awhile ago
> > (like 20 years almost), but that's what I know.
> > I've used super glue to close wounds. It works great. This was after
> > applying "well aimed, direct pressure" and getting the bleeding to stop. The
> > glue just kept the wound from reopening. I also bandage them as well. I
> > don't recall being told NOT to use alcohol, but that the time I didn't carry
> > alcohol. We just flushed with the cleanest water available as per
> > instructions. I'm willing to give up the alcohol idea. Seems like there is a
> > reason they use it in the hospital though.
> >
> > I'm gonna have to question the glue needing to be surgically removed. When
> > I used it on myself, it came off like a scab as the cut healed. I'm not
> > suggesting you pour it into the bottom of the wound. I use it to just close
> > the wound at the skin. I've only done it twice. Both times on cuts that were
> > going to likely keep reopening without the aid of super glue.
> >
> > If you really want the "good stuff" there is this:
> > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00061MUAG/ref=nosim/kkorg-20
> > This is like the stuff used everywhere outside the US for years. The FDA
> > never approved super glue because it can cause skin irritation. They have
> > finally approved this new variant:
> > http://www.amazon.com/Dermabond-Topical-Adhesive-5ml-vial/dp/B0024L19I0
> >
> > HYOH, and do NOT listen to me for medical advice, ever! I'm not spending
> > the extra $$ though. I'll carry the tiny little bottle of super glue the
> > same as I have for almost 20 years. It can be used for lots of other things
> > besides wound care as well. Multi purpose is the goal, right? ;)
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Eric <johner27 at evergreen.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> Paul, I definitely agree with you. I recently completed a WFA course and
> >> our
> >> professor repeatedly told us to just clean with water. Also, as far as
> >> super glue goes, I hope everyone would NOT use it as if you close a wound
> >> with this, the glue will need to be surgically removed. The better
> >> solution
> >> would be to stop the bleeding, wrap the wound, and get out of the
> >> backcountry ASAP.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Eric
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> > Sorry to chime in like this but it is VERY VERY important you don't
> >> clean
> >> > with alcohol if medical attention is not near...
> >> > ...Secondary infections like gangrene and other worse options are caused
> >> by
> >> > alcohol cured wounds. Alcohol destroys simple bacteria but t also
> >> destroys
> >> > your body's antibodies in the area, leaving your wound as basically a
> >> Petrie
> >> > dish for whatever the strongest thing there happens to be
> >> >
> >> > Unless broad spectrum Antibiotics are available within a day, DO NOT
> >> clean
> >> > with alcohol. Irrigate with water and leave he bacteria alone until
> >> medical
> >> > help is around...
> >> >
> >> > About superglue... Try make a non toxic glue made from
> >> > polyacrimides<(spelling?). That are inert, but it's like 60$ a tube at
> >> > amazon.
> >> >
> >> > I'll take a little blood poisoning on the far outside chance that could
> >> > happen. Superglue is mildly carcinogenic in the blood stream, but so
> >> are
> >> > thousands of other polymer based products we put on our skin.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ... Btw, this is much more important in bush situations, but assess
> >> your
> >> > own safety... Most likely if you get hurt you'll be found in an hour or
> >> two,
> >> > but in some places it could be a while. First aid is a seriously
> >> important
> >> > skill and I recommend everyone study what he us marines do for medical
> >> > attention... Their field medics (navy medics I believe? Unsure) are the
> >> > best.
> >> > Sent from my iPod
> >> >
> >> > On 2011-02-22, at 12:24 PM, Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Mr Bulk is right, use super glue. Some alcohol can be used to
> >> disinfect,
> >> > > then close the wound with super glue. The medical industry won't
> >> openly
> >> > > endorse this, but it's a pretty common practice. There are 2 concerns
> >> > with
> >> > > this though. First, it creates a very well sealed closure to the
> >> wound.
> >> > > While this is good for keeping things out, it also keeps anything in.
> >> > > Irrigate and clean the wound well before closing! Second, the medical
> >> > folks
> >> > > are concerned about the glue being absorbed into the body. While I
> >> > haven't
> >> > > heard anyone say it's bad, it's reasonable for them to err on the side
> >> of
> >> > > caution. My theory is, we're exposed to so many toxins in modern
> >> society,
> >> > > the risk associated with using super glue to close a wound is probably
> >> > > smaller than the risk of not dealing with the wound.
> >> > >
> >> > > I carry a tiny bottle of super glue in my first aid kit. Actually,
> >> thanks
> >> > > for reminding me of this, I should probably get a new one. Mine is
> >> > several
> >> > > years old. It's unopened, but for $2, I think I'll replace it ;)
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Nitnoid1 <nitnoid1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Super glue may work but you would have to look it up. I've heard it
> >> > being
> >> > >> used in emergency situations far from an ER.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> The Incredible Bulk
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Feb 22, 2011, at 8:03 AM, Amanda L Silvestri <
> >> aslive at sbcglobal.net>
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> I have always been careful while out hiking/backpacking and so have
> >> > never
> >> > >> yet been cut much worse that a scape or scratch, never the less, it
> >> > seems to
> >> > >> me that the possibility of tripping or falling (off a slick log or
> >> loose
> >> > >> rock cliff or whatever) or impaling oneself with a branch, is a
> >> > possibility.
> >> > >> Even so, I have yet to see in the content list for a First Aid kit, a
> >> > >> curved needle for stitching up lacerations. I would not enjoy having
> >> to
> >> > do
> >> > >> this, but I can imagine a situation where a butterfly bandage might
> >> not
> >> > be
> >> > >> enough. It is likewise not hard to imagine this happening some days
> >> > away
> >> > >> from a road crossing/trail head. Does anyone carry anything for
> >> > stitches in
> >> > >> their First Aid kit or do most people just use regular needle and
> >> thread
> >> > (or
> >> > >> dental floss) hoping that will do the trick?
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Shepherd
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> >> us.
> >> ~Henrik Tikkanen
> >>
> >> ?The things you own end up owning you.?* -*Tyler Durden, *Fight Club*
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> ~Henrik Tikkanen
>
> ?The things you own end up owning you.?* -*Tyler Durden, *Fight Club*
>
> "The three most harmful addictions are heroin, carbohydrates, and a monthly
> salary."?David Hieatt
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:23:38 -0800
> From: "Michael Herrera" <mikeh at casaherrera.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Current snow conditions
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <FE9DD0B6424A404FA464CE27F818E7C9 at CASAHERRERA.LOCAL>
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> your right thats why i posted the info , to let other hikers that just because its socal you can still get in trouble if you are not ready for the weather
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:30:52 -0800
> From: Alphabetsoup <alphabetsoupmmm at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Current snow conditions
> To: Michael Herrera <mikeh at casaherrera.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Another thing, in the desert areas of socal, it does not have to be cloudy
> directly overhead to rain. This past weekend storm brought rain/sleet to the
> desert from 30 miles away! there was not a cloud in the sky, yet rain gear
> and warm layers were needed. It came in sideways and boy was it cold!
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Michael Herrera <mikeh at casaherrera.com>wrote:
>
> > your right thats why i posted the info , to let other hikers that just
> > because its socal you can still get in trouble if you are not ready for the
> > weather
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:03:24 -0500
> From: Ryan Tinkle <ryantinkle at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Fwd: Canadian Border
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Thanks for your insightful responses, everybody. Now I'm struggling to
> remember if I DUI'd in 2000 (in which case I'd be good to go) or 2001. If
> I could only recall what I was driving...or where I was living then...or
> where all those hoof marks came from...maybe I'm not sufficiently
> rEhaBilitaTEdeDed after all.
>
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:59 PM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Hi Ryan,
> >
> > When we got to the border, there was no one to greet us, and no one waiting
> > at Manning Park to check our papers, and no one at the border ever asked to
> > see them. That being said, I know of 5 people who turned around at the
> > border because they didn't want to have trouble because they didn't have the
> > paperwork. Several more just got it in time to be able to cross over
> > legally.
> >
> > What we all do is totally up to each of us. I wouldn't have crossed
> > without the proper paperwork because I kayak and hike BC almost every year,
> > and the thought of being denied entrance for years to come, to one of my
> > favorite places on the planet, just because of a paperwork snafu that
> > mushroomed into something bigger, is not worth it. Will you be stopped?
> > From what I saw, probably not, but personally I really like Canada, and if
> > they tell me to get my U.S. crap in order, I just go ahead and do it. I
> > really like that country to the north, and just feel it's the right thing to
> > do what they ask.
> >
> > Anyway, it's totally a personal decision. Some chose to cross anyway, and
> > 5 others within a few days of me chose not to. I know of 4 who crossed
> > without the papers, and never heard of any problems.
> >
> > Shroomer
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:05:11 -0800
> From: "Tow, Doug" <DTow at americanriverbank.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] singing the ultralight blues
> To: "PCT L" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <491C59E014AB2543B1B8BF4CE829E212767522 at amrbmail1.AMRB.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Some gentle humor about my betters:
>
> Though not having personally met the dedicated ultralighters on this
> forum, I have formed a pretty good picture. They are experienced,
> strong, skilled, fit, nutritionally correct, walk tons and tons, and
> possess startling good looks. Am I right so far?
>
> They have the new NASA titanium 3 mil-walled 750 ml cup (58 grams,
> $117.95), and use it as a bowl, cooking vessel, bathtub, pillow, hat,
> latrine, signalling mirror, chair, varmint trap, and map case.
>
> Now, let's assess them further. Possessing legs of iron, they
> nevertheless consider it a threat to personal happiness, welfare and
> odds of success if their pack weight is over, say, 9.3376 pounds.
> Despite hiking 2,600 of the world's most beautiful miles, they can't
> stop thinking (sorry, I can't spell obbsesing) about how to take another
> pound off next year. How, by going lighter, they can go from 32 to 33
> miles per day, cutting their total trip by...less than 20 hours hiking
> time.
>
> "I go light so that I won't have to think about my pack." You are
> kidding, right? If I said that there's a new Photon that's 2 grams
> lighter than last year's model, you're already on the web looking for
> it, aren't you?
>
> I'm 56, a big fellow, 6' 5" and over 200 pounds. My pack base weight is
> 20 pounds. I know the pack is there, but that's it, even when I am
> chock full of water and food. If I carried a two-pound pack, I would
> still weigh more than you fully loaded. I have tried lightweight shoes,
> and I put my boots back on in relief-filled gratitude, swinging out the
> miles. My back is fine, my feet are fine, and my knees are fine. Yours
> might be too if you were carrying a few more pounds.
>
> We few, we happy few, we band of brothers.....
>
> Doug
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:24:47 -0800
> From: "Matthew Edwards" <Hetchhetchyman at aol.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] singing the ultralight blues
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <8B363469B3B841C3A440348F4798CDF0 at OwnerPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Some gentle humor about my betters:
>
> Though not having personally met the dedicated ultralighters on this
> forum, I have formed a pretty good picture. They are experienced,
> strong, skilled, fit, nutritionally correct, walk tons and tons, and
> possess startling good looks. Am I right so far?
>
> They have the new NASA titanium 3 mil-walled 750 ml cup (58 grams,
> $117.95), and use it as a bowl, cooking vessel, bathtub, pillow, hat,
> latrine, signalling mirror, chair, varmint trap, and map case.
>
> Now, let's assess them further. Possessing legs of iron, they
> nevertheless consider it a threat to personal happiness, welfare and
> odds of success if their pack weight is over, say, 9.3376 pounds.
> Despite hiking 2,600 of the world's most beautiful miles, they can't
> stop thinking (sorry, I can't spell obbsesing) about how to take another
> pound off next year. How, by going lighter, they can go from 32 to 33
> miles per day, cutting their total trip by...less than 20 hours hiking
> time.
>
> "I go light so that I won't have to think about my pack." You are
> kidding, right? If I said that there's a new Photon that's 2 grams
> lighter than last year's model, you're already on the web looking for
> it, aren't you?
>
> I'm 56, a big fellow, 6' 5" and over 200 pounds. My pack base weight is
> 20 pounds. I know the pack is there, but that's it, even when I am
> chock full of water and food. If I carried a two-pound pack, I would
> still weigh more than you fully loaded. I have tried lightweight shoes,
> and I put my boots back on in relief-filled gratitude, swinging out the
> miles. My back is fine, my feet are fine, and my knees are fine. Yours
> might be too if you were carrying a few more pounds.
>
> We few, we happy few, we band of brothers.....
>
> Doug
>
> No need to feel insecure about your pack weight.
> Nobody on the trail is going to care what you carry.
> I met hikers with packs much heavier than mine and some with packs
> much lighter than mine. We all enjoyed the PCT.
> All of the vitriolic UL VS Heavy Trucker stuff vanishes once you are on the trail.
> It might surprise you to know Doug, that at 20lbs base
> you are at the same weight as Ray and Jenny Jardine were for their
> "controversial-UL" PCT hike back in 1992.
> Congratulations.. you are among the lightweight crowd!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:31:41 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] singing the ultralight blues
> To: Matthew Edwards <Hetchhetchyman at aol.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <959471.60467.qm at web110009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> This may be a good time to ask if anyone has any good "Ultralite remorse"
> stories. i'd been meaning to ask about this...
>
> ... like a time when you tried to save weight and took it just a bit too far.
>
> i can remember saying "eh forget about a mat, my sleeping bag is plenty warm"
> and ending up with a sopping down blanket frozen to the ground in the morning ;
> ) i swore i'd never use down again ! (it didn't last and i'm back on down...
> i did go without it for 5.5 years). i wasn't in the ultralight camp then, just
> stoopid and tired of a heavy pack.
>
> i'm sure some of the more experienced ultralighter have some fun ones...
>
> ?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Matthew Edwards <Hetchhetchyman at aol.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 8:24:47 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] singing the ultralight blues
>
> Some gentle humor about my betters:
>
> Though not having personally met the dedicated ultralighters on this
> forum, I have formed a pretty good picture. They are experienced,
> strong, skilled, fit, nutritionally correct, walk tons and tons, and
> possess startling good looks. Am I right so far?
>
> They have the new NASA titanium 3 mil-walled 750 ml cup (58 grams,
> $117.95), and use it as a bowl, cooking vessel, bathtub, pillow, hat,
> latrine, signalling mirror, chair, varmint trap, and map case.
>
> Now, let's assess them further. Possessing legs of iron, they
> nevertheless consider it a threat to personal happiness, welfare and
> odds of success if their pack weight is over, say, 9.3376 pounds.
> Despite hiking 2,600 of the world's most beautiful miles, they can't
> stop thinking (sorry, I can't spell obbsesing) about how to take another
> pound off next year. How, by going lighter, they can go from 32 to 33
> miles per day, cutting their total trip by...less than 20 hours hiking
> time.
>
> "I go light so that I won't have to think about my pack." You are
> kidding, right? If I said that there's a new Photon that's 2 grams
> lighter than last year's model, you're already on the web looking for
> it, aren't you?
>
> I'm 56, a big fellow, 6' 5" and over 200 pounds. My pack base weight is
> 20 pounds. I know the pack is there, but that's it, even when I am
> chock full of water and food. If I carried a two-pound pack, I would
> still weigh more than you fully loaded. I have tried lightweight shoes,
> and I put my boots back on in relief-filled gratitude, swinging out the
> miles. My back is fine, my feet are fine, and my knees are fine. Yours
> might be too if you were carrying a few more pounds.
>
> We few, we happy few, we band of brothers.....
>
> Doug
>
> No need to feel insecure about your pack weight.
> Nobody on the trail is going to care what you carry.
> I met hikers with packs much heavier than mine and some with packs
> much lighter than mine. We all enjoyed the PCT.
> All of the vitriolic UL VS Heavy Trucker stuff vanishes once you are on the
> trail.
> It might surprise you to know Doug, that at 20lbs base
> you are at the same weight as Ray and Jenny Jardine were for their
> "controversial-UL" PCT hike back in 1992.
> Congratulations.. you are among the lightweight crowd!
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:44:19 -0800
> From: "Rod Belshee" <rbelshee at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] singing the ultralight blues
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <SNT128-DS7E5C3D1083E573857048ACDDB0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> "Ultralite remorse" - one example: I'm back in waterproof boots in rainy
> weather (for PCT thrus, that means Washington). Sneakers are crazy for
> sustained wet and cold weather.
>
> Steady Sr
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Robison
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:31 PM
> To: Matthew Edwards ; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] singing the ultralight blues
>
> This may be a good time to ask if anyone has any good "Ultralite remorse"
> stories. i'd been meaning to ask about this...
>
> ... like a time when you tried to save weight and took it just a bit too
> far.
>
> i can remember saying "eh forget about a mat, my sleeping bag is plenty
> warm"
> and ending up with a sopping down blanket frozen to the ground in the
> morning ;
> ) i swore i'd never use down again ! (it didn't last and i'm back on
> down...
> i did go without it for 5.5 years). i wasn't in the ultralight camp then,
> just
> stoopid and tired of a heavy pack.
>
> i'm sure some of the more experienced ultralighter have some fun ones...
>
> ?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Matthew Edwards <Hetchhetchyman at aol.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 8:24:47 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] singing the ultralight blues
>
> Some gentle humor about my betters:
>
> Though not having personally met the dedicated ultralighters on this
> forum, I have formed a pretty good picture. They are experienced,
> strong, skilled, fit, nutritionally correct, walk tons and tons, and
> possess startling good looks. Am I right so far?
>
> They have the new NASA titanium 3 mil-walled 750 ml cup (58 grams,
> $117.95), and use it as a bowl, cooking vessel, bathtub, pillow, hat,
> latrine, signalling mirror, chair, varmint trap, and map case.
>
> Now, let's assess them further. Possessing legs of iron, they
> nevertheless consider it a threat to personal happiness, welfare and
> odds of success if their pack weight is over, say, 9.3376 pounds.
> Despite hiking 2,600 of the world's most beautiful miles, they can't
> stop thinking (sorry, I can't spell obbsesing) about how to take another
> pound off next year. How, by going lighter, they can go from 32 to 33
> miles per day, cutting their total trip by...less than 20 hours hiking
> time.
>
> "I go light so that I won't have to think about my pack." You are
> kidding, right? If I said that there's a new Photon that's 2 grams
> lighter than last year's model, you're already on the web looking for
> it, aren't you?
>
> I'm 56, a big fellow, 6' 5" and over 200 pounds. My pack base weight is
> 20 pounds. I know the pack is there, but that's it, even when I am
> chock full of water and food. If I carried a two-pound pack, I would
> still weigh more than you fully loaded. I have tried lightweight shoes,
> and I put my boots back on in relief-filled gratitude, swinging out the
> miles. My back is fine, my feet are fine, and my knees are fine. Yours
> might be too if you were carrying a few more pounds.
>
> We few, we happy few, we band of brothers.....
>
> Doug
>
> No need to feel insecure about your pack weight.
> Nobody on the trail is going to care what you carry.
> I met hikers with packs much heavier than mine and some with packs
> much lighter than mine. We all enjoyed the PCT.
> All of the vitriolic UL VS Heavy Trucker stuff vanishes once you are on the
> trail.
> It might surprise you to know Doug, that at 20lbs base
> you are at the same weight as Ray and Jenny Jardine were for their
> "controversial-UL" PCT hike back in 1992.
> Congratulations.. you are among the lightweight crowd!
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:45:28 -0800 (PST)
> From: Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] SPOT vs Cell info.
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I brought both a SPOT and a regular cell phone with AT&T service on my PCT rides
> in 2008 & 2009.
>
> Early in 2008 my?local SPOT representative gave me a SPOT for free.? In return I
> only had to check in with an "OK." message every night when I reached camp.?
> They also gave one to ZACK, the 17 year old?young man who sailed a boat around
> the world. His location and mine both appeared on the website along with a
> picture and a short description of our journeys. Followers could "see where Ed
> is now".
>
> I found the SPOT to be dead reliable in that all of my messages got through to
> my "team", which included SPOT, my wife and eight others. It certainly gave my
> wife real peace of mind to know that I was OK every day. I still have a record
> of all of the GPS locations showing, by satellite pictures, each camp.
>
>
> To send a signal it is recommended that you place the SPOT horizontally for 20
> minutes?with a clear sky above.? I did not always have a completely clear
> sky;?sometimes there were a few small branches above - but the signal always got
> through.?And I could tell by the lights when the message was successfully sent.?
>
> While on the hiker detour of Section K in Washington I used the OK signal as
> well as the tracker mode effectively to let an Angel follow my progress north of
> Stevens Pass and down Indian Creek so she could pick Primo and I up at the White
> River TH and trailer us around the Little Giant part to the Buck Creek TH.? The
> Little Giant was notoriously dangerous to horses.? A woman who was bold enough
> to try it not long after we passed through that Section killed both of her
> horses when they fell several hundred feet.
>
> My cell phone seldom worked for me - but when I had service, being able to call
> my wife made it worth having brought it.
>
> MendoRider/Ed Anderson
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:52:44 -0800
> From: "Rod Belshee" <rbelshee at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stitches
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> I have carry sutures when traveling in developing parts of the world, either
> to use myself or to hand to medical personnel to ensure it is sterile.
>
> For thru-hiking, I'm comfortable I can patch up most anything with butterfly
> bandages. In the field, sutures are less advised since sterility is tough so
> the wound must be allowed to ooze. That is also a reason to be careful with
> the super-glue approach -- be sure to leave drainage openings if you use
> super-glue.
>
> Steady Sr
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Amanda L Silvestri
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 8:03 AM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] Stitches
>
> I have always been careful while out hiking/backpacking and so have never
> yet been cut much worse that a scape or scratch, never the less, it seems to
> me that the possibility of tripping or falling (off a slick log or loose
> rock cliff or whatever) or impaling oneself with a branch, is a possibility.
> Even so, I have yet to see in the content list for a First Aid kit, a curved
> needle for stitching up lacerations. I would not enjoy having to do this,
> but I can imagine a situation where a butterfly bandage might not be enough.
> It is likewise not hard to imagine this happening some days away from a road
> crossing/trail head. Does anyone carry anything for stitches in their First
> Aid kit or do most people just use regular needle and thread (or dental
> floss) hoping that will do the trick?
>
> Shepherd
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> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:42:25 -0800 (PST)
> From: Amanda L Silvestri <aslive at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] stitches
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> I did a search on the WEB for suture needles and was able to make a purchase through a veterinary supply site.? I would hope to never need to use this but it weighs nothing and I feel better having it just in case.? I am not real comfortable with superglue as it is not designed for wound repair and is not sterile.? Flushing with water and applying pressure are standard approaches and hopefully would be enough, along with a bandage and some antiseptic gel.? But who knows?? I saw a guy miss a leap across a stream two years ago and his knee was a mess after it hit the rocks.? Things can happen.? My philosophy?? Be prepared, but watch your step.
> ?
> Shepherd
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:39:38 -0700
> From: <dnielsen at djmurphycompany.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] singing the ultralight blues
> To: "'Tow, Doug'" <DTow at americanriverbank.com>, "'PCT L'"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
>
> Does this mean that I can bring my change of underware that I had in the
> gear list before. God I hope so.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Tow, Doug
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 6:05 PM
> To: PCT L
> Subject: [pct-l] singing the ultralight blues
>
> Some gentle humor about my betters:
>
> Though not having personally met the dedicated ultralighters on this
> forum, I have formed a pretty good picture. They are experienced,
> strong, skilled, fit, nutritionally correct, walk tons and tons, and
> possess startling good looks. Am I right so far?
>
> They have the new NASA titanium 3 mil-walled 750 ml cup (58 grams,
> $117.95), and use it as a bowl, cooking vessel, bathtub, pillow, hat,
> latrine, signalling mirror, chair, varmint trap, and map case.
>
> Now, let's assess them further. Possessing legs of iron, they
> nevertheless consider it a threat to personal happiness, welfare and
> odds of success if their pack weight is over, say, 9.3376 pounds.
> Despite hiking 2,600 of the world's most beautiful miles, they can't
> stop thinking (sorry, I can't spell obbsesing) about how to take another
> pound off next year. How, by going lighter, they can go from 32 to 33
> miles per day, cutting their total trip by...less than 20 hours hiking
> time.
>
> "I go light so that I won't have to think about my pack." You are
> kidding, right? If I said that there's a new Photon that's 2 grams
> lighter than last year's model, you're already on the web looking for
> it, aren't you?
>
> I'm 56, a big fellow, 6' 5" and over 200 pounds. My pack base weight is
> 20 pounds. I know the pack is there, but that's it, even when I am
> chock full of water and food. If I carried a two-pound pack, I would
> still weigh more than you fully loaded. I have tried lightweight shoes,
> and I put my boots back on in relief-filled gratitude, swinging out the
> miles. My back is fine, my feet are fine, and my knees are fine. Yours
> might be too if you were carrying a few more pounds.
>
> We few, we happy few, we band of brothers.....
>
> Doug
>
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:43:12 -0500
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] (no subject)
> To: Dan Kayser <kayser at ameslab.gov>
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> I had considered this but rejected it because the add on for your phone weighs more than the stand alone spot... May as well carry each separately at that point
>
> ~Outpost
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On 2011-02-22, at 3:26 PM, Dan Kayser <kayser at ameslab.gov> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have any experience using this device? I'd be interested
> > in hearing your review.
> >
> > On 2/21/2011 9:15 PM, Mike Smelser wrote:
> >> Another option might be this combination:
> >>
> >> http://www.findmespot.com/en/index.php?cid=116
> >>
> >> It would give you the advantages of having a cell phone when you are in range, but also allow you to check in periodically via the SPOT messaging system.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> PCT thru-hiker wannabe
> >>
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:41:45 -0600
> >> From: Dan Kayser <kayser at ameslab.gov>
> >> Subject: [pct-l] SPOT vs Cell Phone
> >> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> >> Message-ID: <4D626B99.1050105 at ameslab.gov>
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> >> I am trying to decide which one to take. I really do not want to take
> >> either but my family wants peace of mind that I am safe even though I
> >> have assured them I am not going to some remote location where I will
> >> not see another human for days. I know the pros and cons of each
> >> (satellite vs towers, etc..) but wanted to know what others have carried
> >> and how each device worked for them?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dan Kayser
> > Environmental Specialist
> > Ames Laboratory - DOE
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> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:42:50 -0800
> From: Kathi <pogo at pctwalker.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stitches
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Another option is to use Steri-strips as your "suture" kit. Doesn't hurt
> like sewing up your own flesh... OUCH! and it will be able to drain if
> needed and with a bandage should stay nice and clean. I had a surgery a
> year ago and had an 8.5 inch (long) incision and they only used
> steri-strips to close it up. No stitches! I thought that was kinda weird
> but it worked great and my scaring is actually not too bad all
> considered. If you already have superglue you could use that to put on
> the edges of the steri-strips to keep them from slipping or use Benzoin
> Tincture which is what the surgeons use.
>
> Kathi
>
> On 2/22/11 5:52 PM, Rod Belshee wrote:
> > I have carry sutures when traveling in developing parts of the world, either
> > to use myself or to hand to medical personnel to ensure it is sterile.
> >
> > For thru-hiking, I'm comfortable I can patch up most anything with butterfly
> > bandages. In the field, sutures are less advised since sterility is tough so
> > the wound must be allowed to ooze. That is also a reason to be careful with
> > the super-glue approach -- be sure to leave drainage openings if you use
> > super-glue.
> >
> > Steady Sr
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Amanda L Silvestri
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 8:03 AM
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] Stitches
> >
> > I have always been careful while out hiking/backpacking and so have never
> > yet been cut much worse that a scape or scratch, never the less, it seems to
> > me that the possibility of tripping or falling (off a slick log or loose
> > rock cliff or whatever) or impaling oneself with a branch, is a possibility.
> > Even so, I have yet to see in the content list for a First Aid kit, a curved
> > needle for stitching up lacerations. I would not enjoy having to do this,
> > but I can imagine a situation where a butterfly bandage might not be enough.
> > It is likewise not hard to imagine this happening some days away from a road
> > crossing/trail head. Does anyone carry anything for stitches in their First
> > Aid kit or do most people just use regular needle and thread (or dental
> > floss) hoping that will do the trick?
> >
> > Shepherd
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> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:45:09 -0800
> From: Jim Bravo <jimbravo2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] SPOT vs Cell Phone
> To: John Casterline <tnx4asking at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:04 AM, John Casterline <tnx4asking at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
> > Many places on the PCT, the phone will say something like "For Emergency
> > Purposes Only". I am not sure what this means and I certainly didnt test
> > it.
>
>
> John:
>
> My A&T phone did the same thing one time when, unbeknownst to me, the SIMM
> card under the battery was loose and not making a connection...so the phone
> itself was okay, and it had a signal, but AT&T didn't recognize my phone as
> having service with them. The phone read "For emergency use only". Weirdly,
> I was on a trip and forced to use land lines for 2-3 days until I figured it
> out. I kept thinking "They've GOT to have cell service here, it's a
> big town!!" Now that I have Verizon service I shouldn't have that issue as
> they don't use Simm cards.
>
> Could be different with your service provider. You could ask them about
> it, maybe their phones are designed to say that when there is no roaming
> agreement with the tower whose range you are within...
>
> Jim
>
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:49:17 -0800
> From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stitches
> To: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Dear PCT,
>
> My son's Cardiologist (congenital heart defect) told me how they were using
> "superglue" (surgical grade) in pediatric heart surgeries in the same year
> that I hiked the JMT. I told him how Superglue was part of my first aid kit
> for the JMT. He wasn't too disturbed and I think mentioned that it was the
> same stuff except for the guaranteed sterility of the surgical grade stuff.
> I think there are going to be more pathogens introduced by the dirt on the
> trail than from the superglue tube. Surgical grade has to be used in open
> heart surgeries where health is fragile and the health and immune system is
> already compromised. You are not going to get a doctor to prescribe regular
> superglue for you as they can get sued but my son's Cardiologist did not try
> to stop me. He thought my UL first aid kit was great and clever!
>
> Melanie
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I got my info about super glue from my WOFR instructor. It was awhile ago
> > (like 20 years almost), but that's what I know.
> > I've used super glue to close wounds. It works great. This was after
> > applying "well aimed, direct pressure" and getting the bleeding to stop.
> > The
> > glue just kept the wound from reopening. I also bandage them as well. I
> > don't recall being told NOT to use alcohol, but that the time I didn't
> > carry
> > alcohol. We just flushed with the cleanest water available as per
> > instructions. I'm willing to give up the alcohol idea. Seems like there is
> > a
> > reason they use it in the hospital though.
> >
> > I'm gonna have to question the glue needing to be surgically removed. When
> > I
> > used it on myself, it came off like a scab as the cut healed. I'm not
> > suggesting you pour it into the bottom of the wound. I use it to just close
> > the wound at the skin. I've only done it twice. Both times on cuts that
> > were
> > going to likely keep reopening without the aid of super glue.
> >
> > If you really want the "good stuff" there is this:
> > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00061MUAG/ref=nosim/kkorg-20
> > This is like the stuff used everywhere outside the US for years. The FDA
> > never approved super glue because it can cause skin irritation. They have
> > finally approved this new variant:
> > http://www.amazon.com/Dermabond-Topical-Adhesive-5ml-vial/dp/B0024L19I0
> >
> > HYOH, and do NOT listen to me for medical advice, ever! I'm not spending
> > the
> > extra $$ though. I'll carry the tiny little bottle of super glue the same
> > as
> > I have for almost 20 years. It can be used for lots of other things besides
> > wound care as well. Multi purpose is the goal, right? ;)
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Eric <johner27 at evergreen.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > Paul, I definitely agree with you. I recently completed a WFA course and
> > > our
> > > professor repeatedly told us to just clean with water. Also, as far as
> > > super glue goes, I hope everyone would NOT use it as if you close a wound
> > > with this, the glue will need to be surgically removed. The better
> > > solution
> > > would be to stop the bleeding, wrap the wound, and get out of the
> > > backcountry ASAP.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Eric
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Paul Robison <
> > paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sorry to chime in like this but it is VERY VERY important you don't
> > clean
> > > > with alcohol if medical attention is not near...
> > > > ...Secondary infections like gangrene and other worse options are
> > caused
> > > by
> > > > alcohol cured wounds. Alcohol destroys simple bacteria but t also
> > > destroys
> > > > your body's antibodies in the area, leaving your wound as basically a
> > > Petrie
> > > > dish for whatever the strongest thing there happens to be
> > > >
> > > > Unless broad spectrum Antibiotics are available within a day, DO NOT
> > > clean
> > > > with alcohol. Irrigate with water and leave he bacteria alone until
> > > medical
> > > > help is around...
> > > >
> > > > About superglue... Try make a non toxic glue made from
> > > > polyacrimides<(spelling?). That are inert, but it's like 60$ a tube at
> > > > amazon.
> > > >
> > > > I'll take a little blood poisoning on the far outside chance that could
> > > > happen. Superglue is mildly carcinogenic in the blood stream, but so
> > are
> > > > thousands of other polymer based products we put on our skin.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ... Btw, this is much more important in bush situations, but assess
> > your
> > > > own safety... Most likely if you get hurt you'll be found in an hour or
> > > two,
> > > > but in some places it could be a while. First aid is a seriously
> > > important
> > > > skill and I recommend everyone study what he us marines do for medical
> > > > attention... Their field medics (navy medics I believe? Unsure) are the
> > > > best.
> > > > Sent from my iPod
> > > >
> > > > On 2011-02-22, at 12:24 PM, Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Mr Bulk is right, use super glue. Some alcohol can be used to
> > > disinfect,
> > > > > then close the wound with super glue. The medical industry won't
> > openly
> > > > > endorse this, but it's a pretty common practice. There are 2 concerns
> > > > with
> > > > > this though. First, it creates a very well sealed closure to the
> > wound.
> > > > > While this is good for keeping things out, it also keeps anything in.
> > > > > Irrigate and clean the wound well before closing! Second, the medical
> > > > folks
> > > > > are concerned about the glue being absorbed into the body. While I
> > > > haven't
> > > > > heard anyone say it's bad, it's reasonable for them to err on the
> > side
> > > of
> > > > > caution. My theory is, we're exposed to so many toxins in modern
> > > society,
> > > > > the risk associated with using super glue to close a wound is
> > probably
> > > > > smaller than the risk of not dealing with the wound.
> > > > >
> > > > > I carry a tiny bottle of super glue in my first aid kit. Actually,
> > > thanks
> > > > > for reminding me of this, I should probably get a new one. Mine is
> > > > several
> > > > > years old. It's unopened, but for $2, I think I'll replace it ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Nitnoid1 <nitnoid1 at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Super glue may work but you would have to look it up. I've heard it
> > > > being
> > > > >> used in emergency situations far from an ER.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The Incredible Bulk
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Feb 22, 2011, at 8:03 AM, Amanda L Silvestri <
> > aslive at sbcglobal.net
> > > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> I have always been careful while out hiking/backpacking and so have
> > > > never
> > > > >> yet been cut much worse that a scape or scratch, never the less, it
> > > > seems to
> > > > >> me that the possibility of tripping or falling (off a slick log or
> > > loose
> > > > >> rock cliff or whatever) or impaling oneself with a branch, is a
> > > > possibility.
> > > > >> Even so, I have yet to see in the content list for a First Aid kit,
> > a
> > > > >> curved needle for stitching up lacerations. I would not enjoy
> > having
> > > to
> > > > do
> > > > >> this, but I can imagine a situation where a butterfly bandage might
> > > not
> > > > be
> > > > >> enough. It is likewise not hard to imagine this happening some days
> > > > away
> > > > >> from a road crossing/trail head. Does anyone carry anything for
> > > > stitches in
> > > > >> their First Aid kit or do most people just use regular needle and
> > > thread
> > > > (or
> > > > >> dental floss) hoping that will do the trick?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Shepherd
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> > us.
> > > ~Henrik Tikkanen
> > >
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> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:50:42 -0800
> From: Gregory Wilson <banditsquirrel at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] For those rejected by Canada...
> To: PCT <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> If you get rejected, is it a really bad idea to just continue to Manning Park? To those that have already completed a NOBO thru hike, have you ever been checked for your permit to enter Canada or ID??
>
>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:50:51 -0800
> From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stitches
> To: Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I forgot to add. Superglue sloughs off the skin after a day or so. It will
> stop the bleeding.
>
> Melanie
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Dear PCT,
> >
> > My son's Cardiologist (congenital heart defect) told me how they were using
> > "superglue" (surgical grade) in pediatric heart surgeries in the same year
> > that I hiked the JMT. I told him how Superglue was part of my first aid kit
> > for the JMT. He wasn't too disturbed and I think mentioned that it was the
> > same stuff except for the guaranteed sterility of the surgical grade stuff.
> > I think there are going to be more pathogens introduced by the dirt on the
> > trail than from the superglue tube. Surgical grade has to be used in open
> > heart surgeries where health is fragile and the health and immune system is
> > already compromised. You are not going to get a doctor to prescribe regular
> > superglue for you as they can get sued but my son's Cardiologist did not try
> > to stop me. He thought my UL first aid kit was great and clever!
> >
> > Melanie
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I got my info about super glue from my WOFR instructor. It was awhile ago
> >> (like 20 years almost), but that's what I know.
> >> I've used super glue to close wounds. It works great. This was after
> >> applying "well aimed, direct pressure" and getting the bleeding to stop.
> >> The
> >> glue just kept the wound from reopening. I also bandage them as well. I
> >> don't recall being told NOT to use alcohol, but that the time I didn't
> >> carry
> >> alcohol. We just flushed with the cleanest water available as per
> >> instructions. I'm willing to give up the alcohol idea. Seems like there is
> >> a
> >> reason they use it in the hospital though.
> >>
> >> I'm gonna have to question the glue needing to be surgically removed. When
> >> I
> >> used it on myself, it came off like a scab as the cut healed. I'm not
> >> suggesting you pour it into the bottom of the wound. I use it to just
> >> close
> >> the wound at the skin. I've only done it twice. Both times on cuts that
> >> were
> >> going to likely keep reopening without the aid of super glue.
> >>
> >> If you really want the "good stuff" there is this:
> >> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00061MUAG/ref=nosim/kkorg-20
> >> This is like the stuff used everywhere outside the US for years. The FDA
> >> never approved super glue because it can cause skin irritation. They have
> >> finally approved this new variant:
> >> http://www.amazon.com/Dermabond-Topical-Adhesive-5ml-vial/dp/B0024L19I0
> >>
> >> HYOH, and do NOT listen to me for medical advice, ever! I'm not spending
> >> the
> >> extra $$ though. I'll carry the tiny little bottle of super glue the same
> >> as
> >> I have for almost 20 years. It can be used for lots of other things
> >> besides
> >> wound care as well. Multi purpose is the goal, right? ;)
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Eric <johner27 at evergreen.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Paul, I definitely agree with you. I recently completed a WFA course and
> >> > our
> >> > professor repeatedly told us to just clean with water. Also, as far as
> >> > super glue goes, I hope everyone would NOT use it as if you close a
> >> wound
> >> > with this, the glue will need to be surgically removed. The better
> >> > solution
> >> > would be to stop the bleeding, wrap the wound, and get out of the
> >> > backcountry ASAP.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Eric
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Paul Robison <
> >> paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com
> >> > >wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Sorry to chime in like this but it is VERY VERY important you don't
> >> clean
> >> > > with alcohol if medical attention is not near...
> >> > > ...Secondary infections like gangrene and other worse options are
> >> caused
> >> > by
> >> > > alcohol cured wounds. Alcohol destroys simple bacteria but t also
> >> > destroys
> >> > > your body's antibodies in the area, leaving your wound as basically a
> >> > Petrie
> >> > > dish for whatever the strongest thing there happens to be
> >> > >
> >> > > Unless broad spectrum Antibiotics are available within a day, DO NOT
> >> > clean
> >> > > with alcohol. Irrigate with water and leave he bacteria alone until
> >> > medical
> >> > > help is around...
> >> > >
> >> > > About superglue... Try make a non toxic glue made from
> >> > > polyacrimides<(spelling?). That are inert, but it's like 60$ a tube at
> >> > > amazon.
> >> > >
> >> > > I'll take a little blood poisoning on the far outside chance that
> >> could
> >> > > happen. Superglue is mildly carcinogenic in the blood stream, but so
> >> are
> >> > > thousands of other polymer based products we put on our skin.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ... Btw, this is much more important in bush situations, but assess
> >> your
> >> > > own safety... Most likely if you get hurt you'll be found in an hour
> >> or
> >> > two,
> >> > > but in some places it could be a while. First aid is a seriously
> >> > important
> >> > > skill and I recommend everyone study what he us marines do for medical
> >> > > attention... Their field medics (navy medics I believe? Unsure) are
> >> the
> >> > > best.
> >> > > Sent from my iPod
> >> > >
> >> > > On 2011-02-22, at 12:24 PM, Kevin Cook <hikelite at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Mr Bulk is right, use super glue. Some alcohol can be used to
> >> > disinfect,
> >> > > > then close the wound with super glue. The medical industry won't
> >> openly
> >> > > > endorse this, but it's a pretty common practice. There are 2
> >> concerns
> >> > > with
> >> > > > this though. First, it creates a very well sealed closure to the
> >> wound.
> >> > > > While this is good for keeping things out, it also keeps anything
> >> in.
> >> > > > Irrigate and clean the wound well before closing! Second, the
> >> medical
> >> > > folks
> >> > > > are concerned about the glue being absorbed into the body. While I
> >> > > haven't
> >> > > > heard anyone say it's bad, it's reasonable for them to err on the
> >> side
> >> > of
> >> > > > caution. My theory is, we're exposed to so many toxins in modern
> >> > society,
> >> > > > the risk associated with using super glue to close a wound is
> >> probably
> >> > > > smaller than the risk of not dealing with the wound.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I carry a tiny bottle of super glue in my first aid kit. Actually,
> >> > thanks
> >> > > > for reminding me of this, I should probably get a new one. Mine is
> >> > > several
> >> > > > years old. It's unopened, but for $2, I think I'll replace it ;)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Nitnoid1 <nitnoid1 at yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> Super glue may work but you would have to look it up. I've heard it
> >> > > being
> >> > > >> used in emergency situations far from an ER.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> The Incredible Bulk
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> On Feb 22, 2011, at 8:03 AM, Amanda L Silvestri <
> >> aslive at sbcglobal.net
> >> > >
> >> > > >> wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>> I have always been careful while out hiking/backpacking and so
> >> have
> >> > > never
> >> > > >> yet been cut much worse that a scape or scratch, never the less, it
> >> > > seems to
> >> > > >> me that the possibility of tripping or falling (off a slick log or
> >> > loose
> >> > > >> rock cliff or whatever) or impaling oneself with a branch, is a
> >> > > possibility.
> >> > > >> Even so, I have yet to see in the content list for a First Aid kit,
> >> a
> >> > > >> curved needle for stitching up lacerations. I would not enjoy
> >> having
> >> > to
> >> > > do
> >> > > >> this, but I can imagine a situation where a butterfly bandage might
> >> > not
> >> > > be
> >> > > >> enough. It is likewise not hard to imagine this happening some
> >> days
> >> > > away
> >> > > >> from a road crossing/trail head. Does anyone carry anything for
> >> > > stitches in
> >> > > >> their First Aid kit or do most people just use regular needle and
> >> > thread
> >> > > (or
> >> > > >> dental floss) hoping that will do the trick?
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Shepherd
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> >> us.
> >> > ~Henrik Tikkanen
> >> >
> >> > ?The things you own end up owning you.?* -*Tyler Durden, *Fight Club*
> >> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:52:37 -0500
> From: hiker97 at aol.com
> Subject: [pct-l] Hardcore Hiker Test
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <8CDA1243EB9FF76-D2C-13E4B at Webmail-m108.sysops.aol.com>
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>
> Of course, I easily passed this test, but I have my doubts about you.
>
> Hardcore Hiker Test
> How fast can you guess these words?
>
> 1. F_ _K
> 2. PU_S_
> 3. S_X
> 4. P_N_S
> 5. BOO_S
> 6. _ _NDOM
>
> -------------------------
> -------------------------
> -------------------------
>
> Answers:
>
> 1. FORK
> 2. PULSE
> 3. SIX
> 4. PANTS
> 5. BOOKS
> 6. RANDOM
>
> You got all 6 wrong....didn't you? Very weak. You need to do more backpackihng.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:20:34 -0800
> From: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hardcore Hiker Test
> To: hiker97 at aol.com
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hey, I only missed 5. I guessed "books" correctly.
>
> Melanie
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:52 PM, <hiker97 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Of course, I easily passed this test, but I have my doubts about you.
> >
> > Hardcore Hiker Test
> > How fast can you guess these words?
> >
> > 1. F_ _K
> > 2. PU_S_
> > 3. S_X
> > 4. P_N_S
> > 5. BOO_S
> > 6. _ _NDOM
> >
> > -------------------------
> > -------------------------
> > -------------------------
> >
> > Answers:
> >
> > 1. FORK
> > 2. PULSE
> > 3. SIX
> > 4. PANTS
> > 5. BOOKS
> > 6. RANDOM
> >
> > You got all 6 wrong....didn't you? Very weak. You need to do more
> > backpackihng.
> >
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:48:28 -0800 (PST)
> From: J M <evilempress2003 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hardcore Hiker Test
> To: hiker97 at aol.com, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <732811.19825.qm at web111512.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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>
> *sigh*
>
>
> "Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."
> www.explorationmonkey.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "hiker97 at aol.com" <hiker97 at aol.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 7:52:37 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Hardcore Hiker Test
>
>
> Of course, I easily passed this test, but I have my doubts about you.
>
> Hardcore Hiker Test
> How fast can you guess these words?
>
> 1. F_ _K
> 2. PU_S_
> 3. S_X
> 4. P_N_S
> 5. BOO_S
> 6. _ _NDOM
>
> -------------------------
> -------------------------
> -------------------------
>
> Answers:
>
> 1. FORK
> 2. PULSE
> 3. SIX
> 4. PANTS
> 5. BOOKS
> 6. RANDOM
>
> You got all 6 wrong....didn't you? Very weak. You need to do more
> backpackihng.
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 21:08:53 -0800
> From: "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] For those rejected by Canada...
> To: "'Gregory Wilson'" <banditsquirrel at hotmail.com>, "'PCT'"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> YES! The risk/benefit analysis is not in your favor.
>
> If you were to get checked and found not to have the necessary permit,
> they're bound to investigate you to determine the associated risk. Once they
> enter your name, don't you think that their computers would know you had
> applied but been rejected. Now you are really up the polluted tributary.
>
> Stop playing foolish games with your future. Follow the rules and turn
> around.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Gregory Wilson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 7:51 PM
> To: PCT
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] For those rejected by Canada...
>
>
> If you get rejected, is it a really bad idea to just continue to Manning
> Park? To those that have already completed a NOBO thru hike, have you ever
> been checked for your permit to enter Canada or ID??
>
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> Message: 25
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 21:11:12 -0800
> From: Randy Forsland <hikertrsh at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Hardcore Hiker Test
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> I had:
>
> FOLK
> PURSE
> SIX
> PINTS
> BOOTS
> ..OK...I'LL give you that one....
>
> at least I'm a medium core hiker
>
> Redwood
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:52 PM, <hiker97 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Of course, I easily passed this test, but I have my doubts about you.
> >
> > Hardcore Hiker Test
> > How fast can you guess these words?
> >
> > 1. F_ _K
> > 2. PU_S_
> > 3. S_X
> > 4. P_N_S
> > 5. BOO_S
> > 6. _ _NDOM
> >
> > -------------------------
> > -------------------------
> > -------------------------
> >
> > Answers:
> >
> > 1. FORK
> > 2. PULSE
> > 3. SIX
> > 4. PANTS
> > 5. BOOKS
> > 6. RANDOM
> >
> > You got all 6 wrong....didn't you? Very weak. You need to do more
> > backpackihng.
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 21:49:01 -0800
> From: Ken Marlow <pcthiker at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Help getting to Campo
> To: Vicky mattson <vicky.mattson at gmail.com>
> Cc: PCT-L List <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <6C6FBD3C-49E0-4F24-A305-67F984EBEDB4 at cox.net>
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> Hi Vicky,
> Just came-across your's and Jay's request for a ride to Campo (and a ride from San Diego International the day before?). I wasn't following your thread so not sure if any
> That Saturday looks free. Are you bringing your dog as well? I work on Friday's till 3:30 but there's alternatives for you (such as hanging there or catching a trolly to my end of town, La Mesa (I'm about 30 minutes, by car, from the airport, an hour to Campo). Shouldn't be an issue hosting, Friday night, as well. Guessing you'll want an early push-off on Saturday). Lemme know.
>
> Ken Marlow (class of '82) & Debbie Marlow
>
> On Feb 18, 2011, at 5:43 AM, Vicky mattson wrote:
>
> > My 12 year old son and I plan on starting the PCT at Campo on March 26. I
> > stupidly planned a flight on Friday the 25th into san Diego International.
> > This leaves us hanging around San Diego until Monday if we have to wait for
> > the bus.
> >
> > Is there an alternative way to get to the trailhead (Southern Terminus,
> > Campo) on the weekend?
> >
> > Vicky, Jay and Utah Mattson (Utah is a dog)
> > - Show quoted text -
> > --
> > Vicky Mattson
> > 740-818-6737
> > --
> > Vicky Mattson
> > 740-818-6737
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> Message: 27
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 23:55:02 -0800
> From: Eric <johner27 at evergreen.edu>
> Subject: [pct-l] Downloading pictures from cameras?
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Hey all,
>
> My hiking partner and I are discussing how to get our pictures off our
> cameras. So far, the method we think would work the best is carrying 2 SD
> cards, mailing one back to our support people when the first one is full,
> then rotating cards as we go along. How do you manage your picture
> downloads?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Regards,
> Eric
>
> --
> Because we don't think about future generations, they will never forget us.
> ~Henrik Tikkanen
>
> ?The things you own end up owning you.?* -*Tyler Durden, *Fight Club*
>
> "The three most harmful addictions are heroin, carbohydrates, and a monthly
> salary."?David Hieatt
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 28
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 23:59:04 -0800
> From: Eric <johner27 at evergreen.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] singing the ultralight blues
> To: "Tow, Doug" <DTow at americanriverbank.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID:
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> I'm an ultralighter, but I thought this was hilarious! I'm glad I'm not
> THAT hardcore. I think what you're describing here is not ultralighters,
> but GRAM WEENIES! :)
>
> Regards,
> Eric
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Tow, Doug <DTow at americanriverbank.com>wrote:
>
> > Some gentle humor about my betters:
> >
> > Though not having personally met the dedicated ultralighters on this
> > forum, I have formed a pretty good picture. They are experienced,
> > strong, skilled, fit, nutritionally correct, walk tons and tons, and
> > possess startling good looks. Am I right so far?
> >
> > They have the new NASA titanium 3 mil-walled 750 ml cup (58 grams,
> > $117.95), and use it as a bowl, cooking vessel, bathtub, pillow, hat,
> > latrine, signalling mirror, chair, varmint trap, and map case.
> >
> > Now, let's assess them further. Possessing legs of iron, they
> > nevertheless consider it a threat to personal happiness, welfare and
> > odds of success if their pack weight is over, say, 9.3376 pounds.
> > Despite hiking 2,600 of the world's most beautiful miles, they can't
> > stop thinking (sorry, I can't spell obbsesing) about how to take another
> > pound off next year. How, by going lighter, they can go from 32 to 33
> > miles per day, cutting their total trip by...less than 20 hours hiking
> > time.
> >
> > "I go light so that I won't have to think about my pack." You are
> > kidding, right? If I said that there's a new Photon that's 2 grams
> > lighter than last year's model, you're already on the web looking for
> > it, aren't you?
> >
> > I'm 56, a big fellow, 6' 5" and over 200 pounds. My pack base weight is
> > 20 pounds. I know the pack is there, but that's it, even when I am
> > chock full of water and food. If I carried a two-pound pack, I would
> > still weigh more than you fully loaded. I have tried lightweight shoes,
> > and I put my boots back on in relief-filled gratitude, swinging out the
> > miles. My back is fine, my feet are fine, and my knees are fine. Yours
> > might be too if you were carrying a few more pounds.
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> Message: 29
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:39:37 -0800
> From: Gerry Zamora <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Downloading pictures from cameras?
> To: Eric <johner27 at evergreen.edu>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Why not just get a 16-32gb memory card and u should be good to go for your
> whole thru hike. Other wise ya keep swapping the cards out and mailing
> them... use a smart phone and u can upload and post to facebook from the
> trail..
> On Feb 22, 2011 11:55 PM, "Eric" <johner27 at evergreen.edu> wrote:
> > Hey all,
> >
> > My hiking partner and I are discussing how to get our pictures off our
> > cameras. So far, the method we think would work the best is carrying 2 SD
> > cards, mailing one back to our support people when the first one is full,
> > then rotating cards as we go along. How do you manage your picture
> > downloads?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Eric
> >
> > --
> > Because we don't think about future generations, they will never forget
> us.
> > ~Henrik Tikkanen
> >
> > ?The things you own end up owning you.?* -*Tyler Durden, *Fight Club*
> >
> > "The three most harmful addictions are heroin, carbohydrates, and a
> monthly
> > salary."?David Hieatt
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> Message: 30
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:53:58 -0800
> From: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] singing the ultralight blues
> To: "Tow, Doug" <DTow at americanriverbank.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> Oh man, a 0.11 ounce photon light... can I be first in line!!! (giggle)
>
> I think most SUL/XUL guys are not out there carrying around a 750 ml
> cup... that's freaking huge... its either the MSR Titan Cup or the SP
> 400 - if one at all :-P -- better yet.. use a ziplock bag lolol
>
>
> Humor aside (and I did enjoy your post - got me laughing)... just
> remember, your 20 pound pack starts off as a 50 pound pack (using the
> average of 2.5lbs per day of food) for the long 12+ days of no town in
> the Sierras...whereas our 5 pound packs become 35 pounds. Before the
> first week is out our packs are already lower than your normal base
> pack weight.
>
> And you will get no argument from me on the boots/verses shoes issue.
> While I have switched to using shoes, I am still a firm believer in
> boots preventing ankle twists!!
>
>
> Enjoyed your post - thanks for the chuckles!!
>
> John
> www.RedwoodOutdoors.com
>
>
> > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Tow, Doug <DTow at americanriverbank.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Some gentle humor about my betters:
> >>
> >> Though not having personally met the dedicated ultralighters on this
> >> forum, I have formed a pretty good picture. ?They are experienced,
> >> strong, skilled, fit, nutritionally correct, walk tons and tons, and
> >> possess startling good looks. ?Am I right so far?
> >>
> >> They have the new NASA titanium 3 mil-walled 750 ml cup (58 grams,
> >> $117.95), and use it as a bowl, cooking vessel, bathtub, pillow, hat,
> >> latrine, signalling mirror, chair, varmint trap, and map case.
> >>
> >> Now, let's assess them further. ?Possessing legs of iron, they
> >> nevertheless consider it a threat to personal happiness, welfare and
> >> odds of success if their pack weight is over, say, 9.3376 pounds.
> >> Despite hiking 2,600 of the world's most beautiful miles, they can't
> >> stop thinking (sorry, I can't spell obbsesing) about how to take another
> >> pound off next year. ?How, by going lighter, they can go from 32 to 33
> >> miles per day, cutting their total trip by...less than 20 hours hiking
> >> time.
> >>
> >> "I go light so that I won't have to think about my pack." ?You are
> >> kidding, right? ?If I said that there's a new Photon that's 2 grams
> >> lighter than last year's model, you're already on the web looking for
> >> it, aren't you?
> >>
> >> I'm 56, a big fellow, 6' 5" and over 200 pounds. ?My pack base weight is
> >> 20 pounds. ?I know the pack is there, but that's it, even when I am
> >> chock full of water and food. ?If I carried a two-pound pack, I would
> >> still weigh more than you fully loaded. ?I have tried lightweight shoes,
> >> and I put my boots back on in relief-filled gratitude, swinging out the
> >> miles. ?My back is fine, my feet are fine, and my knees are fine. ?Yours
> >> might be too if you were carrying a few more pounds.
> >>
> >> We few, we happy few, we band of brothers.....
> >>
> >> Doug
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 31
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 04:11:33 -0800 (PST)
> From: 'Sourdough' Foster <athruhiker2006 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Downloading pictures from cameras?
> To: Eric <johner27 at evergreen.edu>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <483915.5866.qm at web39704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> :-)? You just described the perfect plan. In addition to?saving my pics on their
> hard drive, I had them save them on a memory stick that we mailed?back and forth
> with the SD card exchanges. That way?I could have a simply way to upload pics to
> Trailjournals during town stops and/or to easily share all my pics with folks or
> fellow hikers during town stops.
>
> Happy Trails,
> S'do?
> ?
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Eric <johner27 at evergreen.edu>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Wed, February 23, 2011 2:55:02 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] Downloading pictures from cameras?
>
> Hey all,
>
> My hiking partner and I are discussing how to get our pictures off our
> cameras.? So far, the method we think would work the best is carrying 2 SD
> cards, mailing one back to our support people when the first one is full,
> then rotating cards as we go along.? How do you manage your picture
> downloads?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Regards,
> Eric
>
> --
> Because we don't think about future generations, they will never forget us.
> ~Henrik Tikkanen
>
> ?The things you own end up owning you.?* -*Tyler Durden, *Fight Club*
>
> "The three most harmful addictions are heroin, carbohydrates, and a monthly
> salary."?David Hieatt
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> Message: 32
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 04:24:19 -0800 (PST)
> From: 'Sourdough' Foster <athruhiker2006 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] PHONES - Straight Talk Vs/ Verizon
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <550031.59237.qm at web39705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> Trying to decide on a phone plan. I read pros and cons of the Straight Talk plan
> available through Wal-Mart. It is definitely much less expensive, but Curious to
> know of any ones experience with this on the PCT as to coverage. Also?folks
> opinions in general regarding phones available and/or the service quality they
> had dealing with them.? http://offers.straighttalk.com/?
> Thanks!
> S'do
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 33
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 04:45:34 -0800 (PST)
> From: 'Sourdough' Foster <athruhiker2006 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Thru Hikers by date: revised.
> To: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <946854.56710.qm at web39706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> Hey Outpost, Change of plans. Please change me (?'Sourdough' Foster )?from a few
> days after KO to....April 19th. :-)
>
>
> I am also now attending Ned's Snow Education Course in Tahoe on April 15,16 and
> 17 and would like to know of others planning on attending so that I could
> coordinate transportation, etc. if possible.
>
> THANKS!
> S'do
> ?
> ?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Sun, February 20, 2011 7:43:01 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Thru Hikers by date: revised.
>
> Mike Schaffer (April 8)
> Karen "Special K" Keller April 8)
> Joyce M, (April, 9)
> Pete and Karen Peterson (Early-Mid April)
> Larry and Lucy Mann Start April 14th
> David Rossbroich (?Mid April?)
> Ryan Hull (early ? mid april)
> Ramblin' Rose (aja) and Emily? (mid april)
> Steven dvsteven (flying tortoise) (mid april)
> Bill C (April 15 )
> Angelica Mora? (april 15-25)
> Csilla Tabor and Nolan Barry (4/15 or 4/16)
> ?Mother Goose? (april 16)
> ?lost and found? (april 16)
> Duncan Webb (Spider) (April 17)
> Outpost and Echo (April 17)
> Ron Dye (burning daylight), (April 17)
> Colin and topsy Turvy (mid-late april)
> Joyce L (mid-late April)
> Lisa Freathy (mid ? late april)
> Matthias Kodym/Austria (mid/late April)
> Rick Wiggins (mid ? late april)
> Scott G ; flip-flop (mid to late april)
> Brendan Beltz (mid/late April.)
> Angelica Mora (April 15 ? 25th )
> Dicey Ishida (April 19 )
> Ralph (trawlercat) (April 19)
> Kevin ( start 4/20 )
> Sam Griffin ( April 20 )
> Paul, alphabet soup (4/20)
> Travis,? April 20.
> Chris L? (April 20- 22)
> Dennis osbourne - Sunshine (april 22)
> Whitnee Goode (late april, after 23?rd)
> jim and Dona (april 24)
> Carley Julien (trail name TBA): April 25th
> Mikey J (April 25)
> Alexander asai (late april)
> Bryan Cox < late April>
> Mike Pinkus
> Jen N? (late april)
> John Squier (late april)
> Tina Lippke (Late April)
> Gregory Wilson and his brother (last week april)
> Dan K (April 27 NOBO)
> Hannes J?tting (April 28)
> John caster ( April 28 )
> Brandoc / moccasin, april 28
> Erin Saver (April 29)
> Ethan Smith (April 29)
> Cam "Moose" Szakall
> Kylie skidmore? (skids)
> Crystal McDowall ( KO )
> Eric Johner, (KO)
> Gary and Rachel (pack rat and Spill)? (KO)
> Melanie Clarke, (Ko)
> Sarah howard (ko)
> Sourdough (few days after KO)
> Julian Kostorz,? (May 1 )
> Mike chapman (may 2)
> Paul Mercer, Garage Man (may 2 )
> Patty McDonald, Pound Hound (may 2)
> Whistling moose, (May 3)
> Mark (buffalo jump sly) first week May
> Jeb Bates and Robby Robertson ~may 11th NOBO
> Toby Maxwell (may 8-12)
> Karl Jorgenson, Jorgy (May 8)
> Prizm and Goodness (mid may)
> Dale P (late may)
> Christa Wellman (late may)
> Dale P (late may)
> Siesta Steve (UK,? Idyllwild may 23)
> Dan Engleman (May 26?th)
> Ryan Harold,? June 7.
> Lyndsey (lollygag) SOBO (june/july)
>
>
> ? ? ?
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