[pct-l] To flare or not to flare

[Jim Keener ( J J )]

Perhaps we could change "flare" to "flame" in the email message sense. 

Jim Keener ( J J )

On Feb 12, 2011, at 7:19 AM, Mike Chapman <altathunder76 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I also wanted to add that up here in Tahoe,our old growth forests were
> too much fuel after decades of no fires,that when the big one hit,it
> was so devistating that it has changed the laws for prescribed
> burning(more of it). Selective logging and planting is our only "real"
> solution,so get off your boo hoo poor me a$$es in socal and plant some
> trees if your so moved by the power of fire. Why do they allow fires
> to burn in yosemite? Because its natural and needed,are humans
> natural? Id say so. Now if you want to rip something,ive given you
> plenty of firepower,rip away,and dont forget,Hike on.
> 
> On 2/12/11, Mike Chapman <altathunder76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I just saw that you started this thread with only part of the post!
>> Thats some real backstabbing stuff.  At least put the whole thing on
>> there so I dont look like an even bigger idiot,WOW,im truly speechless
>> for the first time on the list,what a slap in da face,oh well,im
>> already over it,moving on.
>> 
>> On 2/12/11, Mike Chapman <altathunder76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I have used flares for years,ive never had to lite one,but I wouldnt
>>> think twice about saving my a$$ with one,and I sure as sin wouldnt ask
>>> permission.  I was just responding to another post,about bringing
>>> stoves to save your life.  I cant beleive the ego of someone trying to
>>> speak for 18 million people. My friends and family would like to be
>>> excluded from the list of 18 mill. in socal who dont want me or my
>>> gear. A box of matches are just as dangerous,no argument needed,just
>>> common sence,no need to disrespect the brainpower and actions of
>>> fellow hikers. I thought this was a close knit family.  By the way,I
>>> think Alta-nater is a good name,or stick with my fantasy league
>>> name,Altathunder. Road-Flare will only bring up this bogus thread in
>>> my mind,Hike on and try not to belittle your fellow hiker.
>>> 
>>> On 2/11/11, Brian McLaughlin <brianmclaugh at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> While I see the point you are making, I think you have
>>>> oversimplified reality, which is much messier than that.
>>>> 
>>>> Smart people do stupid things. Well-informed people
>>>> sometimes act ignorantly, or rashly, or impulsively,
>>>> or out of fear. All it takes to become a stupid person
>>>> is a moment or two. And stupid actions, once they are
>>>> done, cannot be undone.
>>>> 
>>>> The difficulty with lighting a flare is that they are
>>>> designed to burn hot and not go out once they're lit.
>>>> You can't hold it until it is burned out, because it
>>>> would burn your hand. You will have to put it down.
>>>> In SoCal's dry forests that is just begging for trouble.
>>>> 
>>>> If you bring a flare, in some sense it means you are
>>>> intending to use it. Unless you have very specific criteria,
>>>> for when you'll light it, why you would light it, how you
>>>> will manage to handle it, and have practised all this
>>>> beforehand, the chances for screwing it up are too
>>>> high compared to the harm it could do.
>>>> 
>>>> Just believing that, if you're "not stupid" you can't
>>>> go wrong seems kind of... er, maybe I should stop
>>>> there.
>>>> 
>>>> Aimless
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Gerry Zamora" <gerry0625 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "David Thibault" <dthibaul07 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [pct-l] To flare or not to flare
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ...stupid people start fires not flares...
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