[pct-l] All the legs

Wed Dec 21 22:23:52 CST 2011

The numbers here appear to be from WTA ( Washington Trails Association). 

These numbers include Backcountry horsemen and even bike riders.

The North 350 Blades added 1500+ hours to PCT only trail work from White Pass to the Canadian border.

I have no idea the hours the Backcountry Horsemen of Washington furnished to the PCT but it was substantial

Folks are out there working on our trails.

Bigfoot Jim 

> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 20:08:37 -0800
> From: hikergratz at gmail.com
> To: mendoridered at yahoo.com
> CC: public at postholer.com; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] All the legs
> 
> how many hikers volunteer?
> heres your answer.
> More than 2600 volunteers worked at least one day on trail in 2011,
> contributing more than 100,000 hours of work to trails in Washington.
> The increase was fueled by 1,650 hikers who turned out for their first
> work party.
> this is from the washington trails website. it dosnt include work done
> by the p.c.t.a. or the mazamas
> 
> 
> On 12/19/11, Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > GOSH, Scott, I'm surprised that you don't recognize or acknowledge the
> > difference between a hoof and a wheel.
> > Hooves make INTERMITTENT HOLES (as hikers do- just deeper) as a horse or a
> > mule passes across an already soft downhill surface. Wheels make a
> > CONTINUOUS GROOVE rolling down a similar surface. Water will run down a
> > groove started by a wheel. Soon you have a rut, which can eventually become
> > a ditch. That is the essential difference between a hoof and a wheel.
> >
> > Another big difference is that those who ride horses (Back Country
> > Horsemen, Packers, and some other equestrians) are among the volunteers who
> > build and maintain the PCT. Some Packers go in early, when the snow melts
> > enough, and help repair trail damage and remove down trees and other
> > obstacles so they can use the trail themselves. Hikers benefit from this.
> > Some Packers that I am aware of also haul in heavy equipment needed by
> > others to do trail work. In 2009, I rode with one Packer north of Bucks
> > Creek trailhead (on the detour on Washington, Section K). During our
> > conversation I learned that, when his season is over he has gone down to So.
> > Cal. with his stock to volunteer helping others by hauling in heavy trail
> > maintenance equipment. I have never heard of any mountain bikers, who
> > illegally use, and damage, parts of the trail, who also volunteer. How many
> > Hikers volunteer?  I know of a couple who have also thru-hiked the PCT. Pete
> > fish is one -
> > he contributes significantly. Another is Dave Fleischman, who is Section E
> > Chief in S.Cal.. We do need more Hiker volunteers. They are the biggest
> > users, by far, of the PCT. When I started, riding Primo, from Campo, in
> > 2008, I was the ONLY equestrian. There were about 400 Hikers.
> >
> > MendoRider-Hiker
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Scott <public at postholer.com>
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 12:07 PM
> > Subject: [pct-l] All the legs
> >
> >
> > In terms of trail impact, YMMV:
> > Every unruly dog equals 1/4 of an unruly hiker
> > Every unruly llama equals 5 unruly hikers
> > Every unruly horse equals 10 unruly hikers
> > Every unruly pack train equals 100 unruly hikers
> >
> > At some point I suspect mt bikers will make a full frontal legal claim
> > to the PCT. What worries me the most, how can you allow a stock animal
> > and deny a mt biker?
> >
> > The denial of the disparity between the impact of a single bike .vs a
> > single horse will be our collective undoing. Based solely on impact,
> > there is no reason to not allow bikes.
> >
> > For those in denial about the impact of your mode of transportation, ask
> > yourself, "Am I actually helping mt bikers with their cause?"
> >
> > -postholer
> >
> >>>>>
> > As the discussions continue on the various groups that use and or
> > maintain the trail we all love I would only offer this.
> > Not one group is better then the other and I think we can all easily
> > look to our own kind and easily find a moment in
> > which we thought "You really didn't just do that".
> >
> > In no particular order.
> >
> > For every great dog I met I also ran across unruly dogs with bad manners
> > and handlers.
> > For every great horse I met I also ran across unruly horses with bad
> > manners and handlers.
> > For every great Stock train I met I also ran across unruly stock trains
> > with bad manners and handlers.
> > For every great Llama I met I also ran across unruly Llamas with bad
> > manners and their handlers.
> > For every great backpacker I met I also ran across unruly backpackers
> > with bad manners.
> >
> > Lots of groups do great things for the trail and also terrible things to
> > the trail. We all need to take the
> > time to educate our own before we heap criticism on any other group.
> >
> > Hiking Irish.
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