[pct-l] All the legs

[rob gratz]

how many hikers volunteer?
heres your answer.
More than 2600 volunteers worked at least one day on trail in 2011,
contributing more than 100,000 hours of work to trails in Washington.
The increase was fueled by 1,650 hikers who turned out for their first
work party.
this is from the washington trails website. it dosnt include work done
by the p.c.t.a. or the mazamas


On 12/19/11, Edward Anderson <mendoridered at yahoo.com> wrote:
> GOSH, Scott, I'm surprised that you don't recognize or acknowledge the
> difference between a hoof and a wheel.
> Hooves make INTERMITTENT HOLES (as hikers do- just deeper) as a horse or a
> mule passes across an already soft downhill surface. Wheels make a
> CONTINUOUS GROOVE rolling down a similar surface. Water will run down a
> groove started by a wheel. Soon you have a rut, which can eventually become
> a ditch. That is the essential difference between a hoof and a wheel.
>
> Another big difference is that those who ride horses (Back Country
> Horsemen, Packers, and some other equestrians) are among the volunteers who
> build and maintain the PCT. Some Packers go in early, when the snow melts
> enough, and help repair trail damage and remove down trees and other
> obstacles so they can use the trail themselves. Hikers benefit from this.
> Some Packers that I am aware of also haul in heavy equipment needed by
> others to do trail work. In 2009, I rode with one Packer north of Bucks
> Creek trailhead (on the detour on Washington, Section K). During our
> conversation I learned that, when his season is over he has gone down to So.
> Cal. with his stock to volunteer helping others by hauling in heavy trail
> maintenance equipment. I have never heard of any mountain bikers, who
> illegally use, and damage, parts of the trail, who also volunteer. How many
> Hikers volunteer?  I know of a couple who have also thru-hiked the PCT. Pete
> fish is one -
>  he contributes significantly. Another is Dave Fleischman, who is Section E
> Chief in S.Cal.. We do need more Hiker volunteers. They are the biggest
> users, by far, of the PCT. When I started, riding Primo, from Campo, in
> 2008, I was the ONLY equestrian. There were about 400 Hikers.
>
> MendoRider-Hiker
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Scott <public at postholer.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 12:07 PM
> Subject: [pct-l]  All the legs
>
>
> In terms of trail impact, YMMV:
> Every unruly dog equals 1/4 of an unruly hiker
> Every unruly llama equals 5 unruly hikers
> Every unruly horse equals 10 unruly hikers
> Every unruly pack train equals 100 unruly hikers
>
> At some point I suspect mt bikers will make a full frontal legal claim
> to the PCT. What worries me the most, how can you allow a stock animal
> and deny a mt biker?
>
> The denial of the disparity between the impact of a single bike .vs a
> single horse will be our collective undoing. Based solely on impact,
> there is no reason to not allow bikes.
>
> For those in denial about the impact of your mode of transportation, ask
> yourself, "Am I actually helping mt bikers with their cause?"
>
> -postholer
>
>>>>>
> As the discussions continue on the various groups that use and or
> maintain the trail we all love I would only offer this.
> Not one group is better then the other and I think we can all easily
> look to our own kind and easily find a moment in
> which we thought "You really didn't just do that".
>
> In no particular order.
>
> For every great dog I met I also ran across unruly dogs with bad manners
> and handlers.
> For every great horse I met I also ran across unruly horses with bad
> manners and handlers.
> For every great Stock train I met I also ran across unruly stock trains
> with bad manners and handlers.
> For every great Llama I met I also ran across unruly Llamas with bad
> manners and their handlers.
> For every great backpacker I met I also ran across unruly backpackers
> with bad manners.
>
> Lots of groups do great things for the trail and also terrible things to
> the trail. We all need to take the
> time to educate our own before we heap criticism on any other group.
>
> Hiking Irish.
> --
> www.postholer.com
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