[pct-l] ride from agua dulce to campo
Justin West
cjustinwest at gmail.com
Tue Apr 19 22:59:23 CDT 2011
seeking ride from agua dulce to Campo on april 27th. anyone headed that
way? we are two hikers, two small packs, no dogs.
thanks
justin
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> 5. Re: paradise valley cafe (patti kulesz)
> 6. Re: paradise valley cafe (Timothy Nye)
> 7. Re: paradise valley cafe (patti kulesz)
> 8. Anybody from Humboldt county going down to ADZPCTKO (and
> coming back) ? (John Abela)
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> 10. Re: FYI: Denatured alcohol availability in So Cal (Ate Tuna)
> 11. Re: A long shot, but... (Bill Burge)
> 12. Andrew Skurka....an "American Hiking Icon" (Reinhold Metzger)
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> 14. Re: Andrew Skurka....an "American Hiking Icon" (patti kulesz)
> 15. Andrew Skurka....Correction (Reinhold Metzger)
> 16. Re: Andrew Skurka....an "American Hiking Icon" (Ate Tuna)
> 17. shoe replacement (Toby Maxwell)
> 18. Re: shoe replacement (Ate Tuna)
> 19. Re: shoe replacement (Brandon McGinnity)
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> 23. Re: Stealth camping questions! (Jason Moores)
> 24. Re: Stealth camping questions! (Brandon McGinnity)
> 25. Re: Andrew Skurka....an "American Hiking Icon" (Cosmic Cat)
> 26. Halfmile is absolutely right! (ned at mountaineducation.org)
> 27. Open Letter to Paradise Cafe (Wes Rose)
> 28. Re: Anybody from Humboldt county going down to ADZPCTKO (and
> coming back) ? (Carl Siechert)
> 29. Re: Neo-Air mattress (ned at mountaineducation.org)
> 30. Ride to campo from airport (Brendan Beltz)
> 31. Re: shoe replacement (Toby Maxwell)
> 32. Re: Open Letter to Paradise Cafe (Ate Tuna)
> 33. Re: Section D Mt baden powell snow (ned at mountaineducation.org)
> 34. Re: A long shot, but... (Scott Williams)
> 35. Re: Section D Mt baden powell snow (James F. Miller)
> 36. Re: Section D Mt baden powell snow (patti kulesz)
> 37. Ticks (Dale Combs)
> 38. Re: Open Letter to Paradise Cafe (patti kulesz)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:06:02 -0600
> From: Jason Moores <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] A long shot, but...
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> If Shroomer were to bring some psilocybin to K.O. (just don't ship them to
> the P. Cafe, I hear that new owner is bogarting all our drugs fer himself)
> then I could be the one running around screaming that I have bugs on my
> butt. It would be much more fun...for me at least...though Molasses may not
> enjoy talking me down off the roof of the crapper, might hold it agin ya,
> and ya don't want ta be on her bad side, er tick side...we might need folks
> from the Hog Farm to set up a "bad trip" tent...Wavy Gravy would fit in
> well
> at the K.O.
>
> Jackass
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Melanie, If you come out of the shower screaming bloody murder at KO,
> I'll
> > be there for you. I know Jack Ass will be there, I've seen him in action
> > when a poor innocent screamer was treated last year, and I'm sure JMT and
> > the Pirate will be there for you. So that's a start, but I think the
> > commotion will drum up a few hundred more, all ready to get that damn
> tick
> > offen ya.
> >
> > See you soon,
> >
> > Shroomer
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Melanie Clarke <
> melaniekclarke at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Shroomer,
> >>
> >> I'm formulating some strategies here. If I run out of the loo,
> screaming
> >> at the KO, how many men would I have at "my ready" and at my "beck and
> >> call"? Hmmm, first I have to find me a very cooperative tick. We women
> >> just like to make you guys think that you are the ones coming up with
> the
> >> schemes and plans. Ooops, did I just say that out loud? I don't want
> to
> >> give away female trade secrets that we have acquired over 3 million
> years of
> >> evolution.
> >>
> >> Melanie
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>> Of course I've got a "freak mobile," and I'm usually the "Freak" who
> >>> drives
> >>> it. But I'll be gone during that time. It just might work. It's a
> >>> nasty
> >>> old stick PU. Can your girl friend drive a stick? She'd have to
> figure
> >>> out
> >>> how to get to Martinez (Bart and bus), to pick it up. Hmmmmmmmm let's
> go
> >>> off line to talk, Andrew.
> >>>
> >>> And hey, Jackass we'll have to see if we can find any screaming girls
> at
> >>> KO
> >>> with ticks attached to them. Hell, I'm just gonna walk around with
> >>> tweezers
> >>> at the ready. Lookin' forward to seeing you all again. Is Molasses
> >>> coming
> >>> to KO, or just your old self?
> >>>
> >>> Shroomer
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 6:45 AM, Jason Moores <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > If your request doesn't garner any useful offers take a look at Fox
> >>> rent a
> >>> > car. I've used them over the past two summers to drive from Vegas to
> SD
> >>> and
> >>> > found the price...reasonable.
> >>> >
> >>> > Hey Shroomer, you must have an old hippie van, a freak-mobile, that
> >>> they
> >>> > could use as a "crash pad".
> >>> >
> >>> > Jackass
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:27 AM, Andrew Morgan <
> >>> > andrewedwardmorgan at gmail.com
> >>> > > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > > Does anyone living near San Francisco have (or know someone who
> has)
> >>> a
> >>> > car
> >>> > > they'd be willing to rent for the week of July 5th---12th?
> >>> > >
> >>> > > My girlfriend is flying out to visit me on my hike and we're
> looking
> >>> for
> >>> > a
> >>> > > vehicle to use. She flies in to SF. We'll be staying near
> Yosemite
> >>> for
> >>> > > the
> >>> > > week, doing very little driving. We would like to do a few day
> hikes
> >>> > > (15--20 minutes from where we're staying near Groveland, CA) and so
> >>> we'd
> >>> > > like to have a car.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Between hotel, flights, and hiking costs, my hike is proving to be
> >>> more
> >>> > > expensive than I had hoped it would be. I'm trying to find a
> cheaper
> >>> > > alternative to renting a car for a week from a rental agency at the
> >>> > > airport.
> >>> > > Any advice would be welcomed.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Thank you!
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Andrew
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:06:58 -0700
> From: "greg mushial" <gmushial at gmdr.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] paradise valley cafe
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:12:19 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Robbie Peacock <robbiepeacock at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] paradise valley cafe
> > To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID: <617370.90781.qm at web44711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > there is a new owner at the Paradise Valley?Cafe he has only had it
> opened
> > a
> > short time.
> > This is his first year dealing with the pacific crest trail?hikers I was
> > there
> > just a couple of days ago. We had a nice talk about the trail and how
> many
> > hikers to expect this season. A hiker was there with me and read him some
> > thing
> > on line about the Jose burger he had no idea that the place was looked
> > forward
> > to by so many.
> > ?He also did not know that there was a sign 25 miles back on the trail
> > promoting
> > his business. He is looking forward to doing what he can to assist the
> > hikers
> > this season and in the future. There is water there and tables outside
> > with
> > umbrellas as well as good food.
> > ?I was unaware of the package inspection when I was there. So I do not
> > know
> > weather this is true or not. If it is true I can understand it we are in
> > Riverside County the sheriff's in that area do eat there quite?a bit.?It
> > is
> > illegal to posses or distribute drugs of any kind in this county. I DO
> NOT
> > THINK
> > HE WANTS TO GO TO JAIL FOR YOU!!!!!!
> > ?My advice to anybody planing on using Paradise Valley Cafe to resupply
> do
> > not
> > send any drugs.
> > ?The owner is doing all Thur hikers a favor by being there so lets all be
> > nice
> > and thank him and his staff for doing what they do for all of us.?
> > ? Peacock
> >
>
> Well said and I have to agree with the point of view. This is someone that
> is trying to help... let's encourage him, and not make his life more
> difficult.
>
> TheDuck
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:18:43 -0600
> From: Jason Moores <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] A long shot, but...
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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>
> Melanie,
>
> Any ol' tick'll do, I've always found them willing ta lend a proboscis
> ...yer not givin away any real secrets here...but maybe ya could clue me in
> as ta why it takes an hour fer Molasses to get ready ta hike in the
> morn...that's gotta be tick, er, trick right?
>
> Jackass
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Dear Shroomer,
> >
> > I'm formulating some strategies here. If I run out of the loo, screaming
> > at the KO, how many men would I have at "my ready" and at my "beck and
> > call"? Hmmm, first I have to find me a very cooperative tick. We women
> > just like to make you guys think that you are the ones coming up with the
> > schemes and plans. Ooops, did I just say that out loud? I don't want to
> > give away female trade secrets that we have acquired over 3 million years
> of
> > evolution.
> >
> > Melanie
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Of course I've got a "freak mobile," and I'm usually the "Freak" who
> >> drives
> >> it. But I'll be gone during that time. It just might work. It's a
> nasty
> >> old stick PU. Can your girl friend drive a stick? She'd have to figure
> >> out
> >> how to get to Martinez (Bart and bus), to pick it up. Hmmmmmmmm let's
> go
> >> off line to talk, Andrew.
> >>
> >> And hey, Jackass we'll have to see if we can find any screaming girls at
> >> KO
> >> with ticks attached to them. Hell, I'm just gonna walk around with
> >> tweezers
> >> at the ready. Lookin' forward to seeing you all again. Is Molasses
> >> coming
> >> to KO, or just your old self?
> >>
> >> Shroomer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 6:45 AM, Jason Moores <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > If your request doesn't garner any useful offers take a look at Fox
> rent
> >> a
> >> > car. I've used them over the past two summers to drive from Vegas to
> SD
> >> and
> >> > found the price...reasonable.
> >> >
> >> > Hey Shroomer, you must have an old hippie van, a freak-mobile, that
> they
> >> > could use as a "crash pad".
> >> >
> >> > Jackass
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:27 AM, Andrew Morgan <
> >> > andrewedwardmorgan at gmail.com
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Does anyone living near San Francisco have (or know someone who has)
> a
> >> > car
> >> > > they'd be willing to rent for the week of July 5th---12th?
> >> > >
> >> > > My girlfriend is flying out to visit me on my hike and we're looking
> >> for
> >> > a
> >> > > vehicle to use. She flies in to SF. We'll be staying near Yosemite
> >> for
> >> > > the
> >> > > week, doing very little driving. We would like to do a few day
> hikes
> >> > > (15--20 minutes from where we're staying near Groveland, CA) and so
> >> we'd
> >> > > like to have a car.
> >> > >
> >> > > Between hotel, flights, and hiking costs, my hike is proving to be
> >> more
> >> > > expensive than I had hoped it would be. I'm trying to find a
> cheaper
> >> > > alternative to renting a car for a week from a rental agency at the
> >> > > airport.
> >> > > Any advice would be welcomed.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you!
> >> > >
> >> > > Andrew
> >> > > _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 13:31:51 -0400
> From: <abiegen at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Make sure you can open your BearVAULT bear canister
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Cc: Bob Bankhead <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> Message-ID: <20110419133151.U2U0K.186687.imail at fed1rmwml46>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> "Bob Bankhead" <wandering_bob at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >That video describes the BearVAULT with its screw-on lid.
>
> >That process will not work for the Bearikade, which uses three
> counter-sunk
> >screws to secure the metal lid.
>
> Yes, of course. I should have written Bear Vault. My bad! Mea Culpa!
> I guess I shouldn't send these emails out in the early morning when I am
> BEARLY awake.
>
> Thanks for the correction
> TrailHacker
>
> "When my feet hurt, I can't think straight"
> Abraham Lincoln
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:33:48 -0700 (PDT)
> From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] paradise valley cafe
> To: greg mushial <gmushial at gmdr.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <996607.74298.qm at web161402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> OK I don't understand why this has even been an F*&%ing issue. WTF...just
> b/c
> we're dirty and live on the trail for five months we automatically become
> drug
> pushers...COME THE F*&$ ON! Who the hell does drugs while hiking anyways?
> Yes
> maybe we smoke some weed, but that's not really considered a "drug" in
> Cali...hello get with the times here. Not to mention, that if anyone DID
> mail it
> to themselves, it would be considered so menial that any LEO would not want
> to
> even bother b/c the paperwork involved wouldn't be worth their time! And
> this is
> quoted from LA Sheriff's SEVEN yrs ago!
>
> Seriously, leave this issue alone already. The guy sounds really nice and
> is
> obviously new to us tree huggin hippie hiker trash kind. He'll figure it
> out
> once we start rollin in! He prolly lives way out thar in them deserted
> hills...what kind of stories do u think he gets from his maw and paw about
> us?
> "Hey Paw...there goes one of them thar hiker people, I hear thar blood is
> green!"
>
> Seriously tho. Once he sees we're normal tree huggin hippie hiker trash
> kind....he'll cuddle up next to us and stop checking our mail. But why do
> we
> keep harping on this stupid subject again?
> You either mail ur shit to them or u don't...geez!
>
> Sugar Moma
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: greg mushial <gmushial at gmdr.com>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 10:06:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] paradise valley cafe
>
> > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:12:19 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Robbie Peacock <robbiepeacock at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [pct-l] paradise valley cafe
> > To: Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > Message-ID: <617370.90781.qm at web44711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > there is a new owner at the Paradise Valley?Cafe he has only had it
> opened
> > a
> > short time.
> > This is his first year dealing with the pacific crest trail?hikers I was
> > there
> > just a couple of days ago. We had a nice talk about the trail and how
> many
> > hikers to expect this season. A hiker was there with me and read him some
> > thing
> > on line about the Jose burger he had no idea that the place was looked
> > forward
> > to by so many.
> > ?He also did not know that there was a sign 25 miles back on the trail
> > promoting
> > his business. He is looking forward to doing what he can to assist the
> > hikers
> > this season and in the future. There is water there and tables outside
> > with
> > umbrellas as well as good food.
> > ?I was unaware of the package inspection when I was there. So I do not
> > know
> > weather this is true or not. If it is true I can understand it we are in
> > Riverside County the sheriff's in that area do eat there quite?a bit.?It
> > is
> > illegal to posses or distribute drugs of any kind in this county. I DO
> NOT
> > THINK
> > HE WANTS TO GO TO JAIL FOR YOU!!!!!!
> > ?My advice to anybody planing on using Paradise Valley Cafe to resupply
> do
> > not
> > send any drugs.
> > ?The owner is doing all Thur hikers a favor by being there so lets all be
> > nice
> > and thank him and his staff for doing what they do for all of us.?
> > ? Peacock
> >
>
> Well said and I have to agree with the point of view. This is someone that
> is trying to help... let's encourage him, and not make his life more
> difficult.
>
> TheDuck
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:19:42 -0700
> From: Timothy Nye <timpnye at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] paradise valley cafe
> To: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: greg mushial <gmushial at gmdr.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <BANLkTino73NbnpW4KT6__Nz6WAXJ=AooFA at mail.gmail.com>
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> You know, the cafe is pretty early in the trail. Sure we're hungry, but
> how
> hungry are we really? The cafe owner might well benefit from a little pot
> smoking on the trail by hikers so inclined. Yes, I'm talking about
> incorporating munchies into the business plan. Not only will hiker trash
> lose track of time, but the the extra hours will be spent significantly
> increasing the owners bottom line; and perhaps even some hikers bottom
> lines!
>
> The cafe could be transformed into a whirling vortex of food consumption.
> Passerby would shield their children's eyes from the sight of a group food
> orgy taking place on the outside patio where the sounds of contented grunts
> would fill the air.
>
> Yet the danger is that the cafe may not be the ones to fill these caloric
> needs. The solution is for the owner to open the packages not to see if
> any
> weed might be present, but only to sequester any accompaning food when pot
> is found! Why didn't I think of this first? The idea is too good not to
> franchise!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:37:34 -0700 (PDT)
> From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] paradise valley cafe
> To: Timothy Nye <timpnye at gmail.com>
> Cc: greg mushial <gmushial at gmdr.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <411244.7925.qm at web161401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> LMAO awesome!
>
> Sugar Moma
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Timothy Nye <timpnye at gmail.com>
> To: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: greg mushial <gmushial at gmdr.com>; pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 11:19:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] paradise valley cafe
>
>
>
>
> You know, the cafe is pretty early in the trail. Sure we're hungry, but
> how
> hungry are we really? The cafe owner might well benefit from a little pot
> smoking on the trail by hikers so inclined. Yes, I'm talking about
> incorporating munchies into the business plan. Not only will hiker trash
> lose
> track of time, but the the extra hours will be spent significantly
> increasing
> the owners bottom line; and perhaps even some hikers bottom lines!
>
> The cafe could be transformed into a whirling vortex of food consumption.
> Passerby would shield their children's eyes from the sight of a group food
> orgy
> taking place on the outside patio where the sounds of contented grunts
> would
> fill the air.
>
> Yet the danger is that the cafe may not be the ones to fill these caloric
> needs. The solution is for the owner to open the packages not to see if
> any
> weed might be present, but only to sequester any accompaning food when pot
> is
> found! Why didn't I think of this first? The idea is too good not to
> franchise!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:53:20 -0700
> From: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Anybody from Humboldt county going down to ADZPCTKO
> (and coming back) ?
> To: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BANLkTi=kETRq9jNf1Yne6KT4RVY_A51A4A at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hey All,
>
> It seems there is a surprising amount of folks from Humboldt and Del
> Norte County that are PCT'ers.
>
> We really need to get all of us together some time and do a hike up in
> the Trinities!!
>
> Anyway, anybody going down to the kick off but not hiking?
>
> Looking to score a ride (and a place to throw up my tent) if somebody
> has the room.
>
> I live in Eureka.
>
> John B. Abela
> www.RedwoodOutdoors.Com
>
> In God's wildness lies the hope of the world - the great fresh
> unblighted, unredeemed wilderness. The galling harness of civilization
> drops off, and wounds heal ere we are aware. ~ John Muir
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:02:24 -0700
> From: Christopher Sanderson <csandowalk at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Section E
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <BANLkTimRz9a_=gTyFfE0KCX_KUGKN06fKA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Hey Everyone,
>
> Section E was awesome! Water is plentiful, enough so that the guzzlers can
> be ignored. That said, all the flows are seasonal, and I hiked through
> there from April 13-18. The poppies are going ape in the Antelope Valley,
> as are many other flowers.
>
> As I hiked through, I was thinking that due to conditions south of here
> (Agua Dulce), this would be a great year to star at Walker Pass and head
> south to the border, and then flip-flop back up to Walker. Just a thought,
> since water and flowers are plentiful in Sections E & F, and it sounds like
> there's still a lot of snow on San Jacinto and Baden-Powell.
>
> It looks like I will be hiking Section C next.
>
> Peace,
>
> Freefall
>
> --
> "Everyone needs beauty as well as bread, places to play and pray, where
> nature heals and give strength to body and soul alike."
> ? John Muir
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:30:07 -0700
> From: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] FYI: Denatured alcohol availability in So Cal
> To: Ann Marie <dbanmrkr at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <BANLkTinjTJXco73BJX4oU9t8qhF_JgZsVw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I have about 2/3rds of a gallon left. Who should I give it to? I'll be at
> Lake Morena, but will stay at a bit of a distance since I'm not registered.
> Hopefully someone has a hose or pump because I always make a huge mess
> when
> I try to pour alcohol from the gallon size cans.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Ann Marie <dbanmrkr at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > For those who still have cans of alcohol, please bring them to kickoff to
> > get your angel award. :)
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 14:57:02 -0700
> From: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] A long shot, but...
> To: Melanie Clarke <melaniekclarke at gmail.com>
> Cc: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <77220004-002A-4103-B63A-D321DBB33CE6 at burge.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
> Please attach a recent photo...
>
> ;-)
>
> BillB
>
>
>
> On Apr 19, 2011, at 8:09 AM, Melanie Clarke wrote:
>
> > Dear Shroomer,
> >
> > I'm formulating some strategies here. If I run out of the loo, screaming
> at
> > the KO, how many men would I have at "my ready" and at my "beck and
> call"?
> > Hmmm, first I have to find me a very cooperative tick. We women just
> like
> > to make you guys think that you are the ones coming up with the schemes
> and
> > plans. Ooops, did I just say that out loud? I don't want to give away
> > female trade secrets that we have acquired over 3 million years of
> > evolution.
> >
> > Melanie
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Of course I've got a "freak mobile," and I'm usually the "Freak" who
> drives
> >> it. But I'll be gone during that time. It just might work. It's a
> nasty
> >> old stick PU. Can your girl friend drive a stick? She'd have to figure
> >> out
> >> how to get to Martinez (Bart and bus), to pick it up. Hmmmmmmmm let's
> go
> >> off line to talk, Andrew.
> >>
> >> And hey, Jackass we'll have to see if we can find any screaming girls at
> KO
> >> with ticks attached to them. Hell, I'm just gonna walk around with
> >> tweezers
> >> at the ready. Lookin' forward to seeing you all again. Is Molasses
> coming
> >> to KO, or just your old self?
> >>
> >> Shroomer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 6:45 AM, Jason Moores <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> If your request doesn't garner any useful offers take a look at Fox
> rent
> >> a
> >>> car. I've used them over the past two summers to drive from Vegas to SD
> >> and
> >>> found the price...reasonable.
> >>>
> >>> Hey Shroomer, you must have an old hippie van, a freak-mobile, that
> they
> >>> could use as a "crash pad".
> >>>
> >>> Jackass
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:27 AM, Andrew Morgan <
> >>> andrewedwardmorgan at gmail.com
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Does anyone living near San Francisco have (or know someone who has) a
> >>> car
> >>>> they'd be willing to rent for the week of July 5th---12th?
> >>>>
> >>>> My girlfriend is flying out to visit me on my hike and we're looking
> >> for
> >>> a
> >>>> vehicle to use. She flies in to SF. We'll be staying near Yosemite
> >> for
> >>>> the
> >>>> week, doing very little driving. We would like to do a few day hikes
> >>>> (15--20 minutes from where we're staying near Groveland, CA) and so
> >> we'd
> >>>> like to have a car.
> >>>>
> >>>> Between hotel, flights, and hiking costs, my hike is proving to be
> more
> >>>> expensive than I had hoped it would be. I'm trying to find a cheaper
> >>>> alternative to renting a car for a week from a rental agency at the
> >>>> airport.
> >>>> Any advice would be welcomed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you!
> >>>>
> >>>> Andrew
> >>>> _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:33:52 -0700
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Andrew Skurka....an "American Hiking Icon"
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <4DAE0DD0.30700 at cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi gang,......trouble is back in town and I want to, once again, remind
> you of the following:
> The March National Geographic Magazine has an article about Andy's 176
> day, 4679 mile Alaska journey on foot, raft and skis in 2010.
> As already mentioned on the list, Andy is going to give a talk on his
> Alaska trip and on UL backpacking at the La Jolla (San Diego) YWCA on
> April 21 and 23.
> If you want to learn about Andy's ''Alaska Journey" or UL backpacking
> I highly recommend you attend Andy's presentation and learn from the
> ''Master of UL".....I know I will be there.
>
> When I first learned about Andy's Alaska plan I thought...."BOY"...."WE
> MAY NEVER HEAR FROM ANDY AGAIN.....HE MAY NOT SURVIVE THAT ONE".
>
> I was wrong.....he did survive and is here to talk about it.
> Karen and I have been following Andy's adventures on his web site ever
> since we met him a few years ago.
> Andy is an extremely nice, friendly, intelligent and likable person and
> yes, a warning to the ladies....he is also extremely good looking.....
> "ALMOST" as good looking as I am.
>
> He is an American ''Hiking Icon'' and one of my heroes.
>
> BTW....if any of you are planing to hike the "Sierra High Route" I
> highly suggest you get Andy's "CD - MAP" for the route.
> I got mine recently and highly recommend it.
>
> JMT Reinhold
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:53:49 -0700 (PDT)
> From: dicentra <dicentragirl at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Andrew Skurka....an "American Hiking Icon"
> To: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <370642.13021.qm at web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I'm still waiting for my Andrew Skurka bobble head doll...
> ?
>
> http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/andrew_skurka_bobblehead_doll.html
>
>
> http://www.onepanwonders.com?~ Backcountry Cooking at its Finest
> http://www.freewebs.com/dicentra
>
> ?
>
> --- On Tue, 4/19/11, Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Andrew Skurka....an "American Hiking Icon"
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 3:33 PM
>
>
> Hi gang,......trouble is back in town and I want to, once again,? remind
> you of the following:
> The March National Geographic Magazine has an article about Andy's? 176
> day, 4679 mile Alaska journey on foot,? raft and skis in 2010.
> As already mentioned on the list, Andy is going to give a talk on his
> Alaska trip and on UL backpacking at the La Jolla? (San Diego)? YWCA? on
> April 21 and 23.
> If you want to learn about Andy's ''Alaska Journey"? or? UL backpacking
> I highly recommend? you attend Andy's presentation and learn from the
> ''Master of UL".....I know I will be there.
>
> When I first learned about Andy's Alaska plan I thought...."BOY"...."WE
> MAY NEVER HEAR FROM ANDY AGAIN.....HE MAY NOT SURVIVE THAT ONE".
>
> I was wrong.....he did survive and is here to talk about it.
> Karen and I have been following Andy's adventures on his web site ever
> since we met him a few years ago.
> Andy is an extremely nice, friendly, intelligent and likable person and
> yes, a warning to the ladies....he is also extremely good looking.....
> "ALMOST" as good looking as I am.
>
> He is an American ''Hiking Icon'' and one of my heroes.
>
> BTW....if any of you? are planing to hike the "Sierra High Route"? I
> highly suggest you get Andy's "CD - MAP"? for the route.
> I got mine recently and highly recommend it.
>
> JMT Reinhold
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 16:09:52 -0700 (PDT)
> From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Andrew Skurka....an "American Hiking Icon"
> To: dicentra <dicentragirl at yahoo.com>, Reinhold Metzger
> <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <514949.40920.qm at web161414.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> OMG I sooo want one now...dam u bobble head people!
>
> Sugar Moma
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: dicentra <dicentragirl at yahoo.com>
> To: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 3:53:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Andrew Skurka....an "American Hiking Icon"
>
> I'm still waiting for my Andrew Skurka bobble head doll...
>
>
> http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/andrew_skurka_bobblehead_doll.html
>
>
>
> http://www.onepanwonders.com ~ Backcountry Cooking at its Finest
> http://www.freewebs.com/dicentra
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 4/19/11, Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Andrew Skurka....an "American Hiking Icon"
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 3:33 PM
>
>
> Hi gang,......trouble is back in town and I want to, once again, remind
> you of the following:
> The March National Geographic Magazine has an article about Andy's 176
> day, 4679 mile Alaska journey on foot, raft and skis in 2010.
> As already mentioned on the list, Andy is going to give a talk on his
> Alaska trip and on UL backpacking at the La Jolla (San Diego) YWCA on
> April 21 and 23.
> If you want to learn about Andy's ''Alaska Journey" or UL backpacking
> I highly recommend you attend Andy's presentation and learn from the
> ''Master of UL".....I know I will be there.
>
> When I first learned about Andy's Alaska plan I thought...."BOY"...."WE
> MAY NEVER HEAR FROM ANDY AGAIN.....HE MAY NOT SURVIVE THAT ONE".
>
> I was wrong.....he did survive and is here to talk about it.
> Karen and I have been following Andy's adventures on his web site ever
> since we met him a few years ago.
> Andy is an extremely nice, friendly, intelligent and likable person and
> yes, a warning to the ladies....he is also extremely good looking.....
> "ALMOST" as good looking as I am.
>
> He is an American ''Hiking Icon'' and one of my heroes.
>
> BTW....if any of you are planing to hike the "Sierra High Route" I
> highly suggest you get Andy's "CD - MAP" for the route.
> I got mine recently and highly recommend it.
>
> JMT Reinhold
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 16:29:56 -0700
> From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Andrew Skurka....Correction
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <4DAE1AF4.7000004 at cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi gang,
> I meant to say...YMCA...not...YWCA.
>
> I AM A FOOL....I AM DISGRACED....I WILL HAVE TO GO INTO HIDING.
>
> JMT Reinhold
> The fool
> ----------------------------------------------
> Reinhold wrote:
>
> Andy is going to give a talk on his Alaska trip and on UL backpacking
> at the La Jolla (San Diego) YWCA on April 21 and 23.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 16:48:08 -0700
> From: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Andrew Skurka....an "American Hiking Icon"
> To: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <BANLkTi=DCnKx1+e2BO4aDuJ+_uHUGJgrJA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Skurka helped me win an argument with a guy that insisted an 8 pound pack
> was necessary to complete a long trip without the pack falling apart,
> especially in his Alaskan backyard. He changed his mind real quick once he
> checked out Andrew's 4000 trip in Alaska using a 2 pound pack.
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Reinhold Metzger
> <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>wrote:
>
> > Hi gang,......trouble is back in town and I want to, once again, remind
> > you of the following:
> > The March National Geographic Magazine has an article about Andy's 176
> > day, 4679 mile Alaska journey on foot, raft and skis in 2010.
> > As already mentioned on the list, Andy is going to give a talk on his
> > Alaska trip and on UL backpacking at the La Jolla (San Diego) YWCA on
> > April 21 and 23.
> > If you want to learn about Andy's ''Alaska Journey" or UL backpacking
> > I highly recommend you attend Andy's presentation and learn from the
> > ''Master of UL".....I know I will be there.
> >
> > When I first learned about Andy's Alaska plan I thought...."BOY"...."WE
> > MAY NEVER HEAR FROM ANDY AGAIN.....HE MAY NOT SURVIVE THAT ONE".
> >
> > I was wrong.....he did survive and is here to talk about it.
> > Karen and I have been following Andy's adventures on his web site ever
> > since we met him a few years ago.
> > Andy is an extremely nice, friendly, intelligent and likable person and
> > yes, a warning to the ladies....he is also extremely good looking.....
> > "ALMOST" as good looking as I am.
> >
> > He is an American ''Hiking Icon'' and one of my heroes.
> >
> > BTW....if any of you are planing to hike the "Sierra High Route" I
> > highly suggest you get Andy's "CD - MAP" for the route.
> > I got mine recently and highly recommend it.
> >
> > JMT Reinhold
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
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> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:56:07 -0400
> From: Toby Maxwell <tmm19 at geneseo.edu>
> Subject: [pct-l] shoe replacement
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <BANLkTik_1LdP4BpZkk8f5c8QeYJBu=ZS2w at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>
> Just curious what causes people to replace shoes most of the time. Is it
> because they are torn to shreds and barely hold your feet, or is it because
> they have lost their ability to cushion your foot and are sort of
> 'compressed' and useless? If it is the latter then when do you decide to
> bite the bullet and get a new pair?
>
> thanks,
>
>
> -Toby
>
>
> p.s. 26 days and its impossible to study for my classes!!!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:01:29 -0700
> From: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] shoe replacement
> To: Toby Maxwell <tmm19 at geneseo.edu>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <BANLkTi=0JE8TW5HxKrL1MEdMoPOFMD-yAg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> They lose the ability to cushion, or rather, it loses its structure which
> can increase the chance of injury. It's the EVA midsole. The damage may
> not be easy to see. I'd rather replace the shoes early than risk having
> bad
> shoes cause a foot injury on a thru hike.
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Toby Maxwell <tmm19 at geneseo.edu> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> >
> > Just curious what causes people to replace shoes most of the time. Is it
> > because they are torn to shreds and barely hold your feet, or is it
> because
> > they have lost their ability to cushion your foot and are sort of
> > 'compressed' and useless? If it is the latter then when do you decide to
> > bite the bullet and get a new pair?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> >
> > -Toby
> >
> >
> > p.s. 26 days and its impossible to study for my classes!!!
> > _______________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:18:05 -0500
> From: Brandon McGinnity <bmcginnity at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] shoe replacement
> To: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <BANLkTinQjiHS07ddkia8iw1tZUzoDOGFKQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I have a different theory on footwear than most people. Basically, that
> it's
> better to have less cushioning and support, so the body can move naturally.
> Barefoot is best, or a soft sole, just something to protect the sole. In
> theory. Maybe not for a thru-hike, or maybe we're all just conditioned to
> believe that. People have been walking long distances for all of history,
> before Nike ever came along.
>
> This is all assuming one has healthy feet, of course. Since I do, I replace
> my shoes only when truly necessary, as in, they're shredded.
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > They lose the ability to cushion, or rather, it loses its structure which
> > can increase the chance of injury. It's the EVA midsole. The damage may
> > not be easy to see. I'd rather replace the shoes early than risk having
> > bad
> > shoes cause a foot injury on a thru hike.
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Toby Maxwell <tmm19 at geneseo.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > >
> > > Just curious what causes people to replace shoes most of the time. Is
> it
> > > because they are torn to shreds and barely hold your feet, or is it
> > because
> > > they have lost their ability to cushion your foot and are sort of
> > > 'compressed' and useless? If it is the latter then when do you decide
> to
> > > bite the bullet and get a new pair?
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > >
> > > -Toby
> > >
> > >
> > > p.s. 26 days and its impossible to study for my classes!!!
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:24:42 -0700
> From: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] shoe replacement
> To: Brandon McGinnity <bmcginnity at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <BANLkTikcewXXwAfswgiYi6TQ_iscfuZNGQ at mail.gmail.com>
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> I may think the same thing. I'm starting to think the best type of shoe is
> one with just enough protection to prevent bruises and cuts. Support isn't
> necessary. Support prevents the development of the foot, which can lead to
> planter fascia injury when the shoe support eventually fails.
>
> Check out Piper's homemade shoes. They have no support, yet she's said
> they're the most comfortable shoes she's worn.
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Brandon McGinnity <bmcginnity at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I have a different theory on footwear than most people. Basically, that
> > it's better to have less cushioning and support, so the body can move
> > naturally. Barefoot is best, or a soft sole, just something to protect
> the
> > sole. In theory. Maybe not for a thru-hike, or maybe we're all just
> > conditioned to believe that. People have been walking long distances for
> all
> > of history, before Nike ever came along.
> >
> > This is all assuming one has healthy feet, of course. Since I do, I
> replace
> > my shoes only when truly necessary, as in, they're shredded.
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> They lose the ability to cushion, or rather, it loses its structure
> which
> >> can increase the chance of injury. It's the EVA midsole. The damage
> may
> >> not be easy to see. I'd rather replace the shoes early than risk having
> >> bad
> >> shoes cause a foot injury on a thru hike.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Toby Maxwell <tmm19 at geneseo.edu>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi everyone,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Just curious what causes people to replace shoes most of the time. Is
> >> it
> >> > because they are torn to shreds and barely hold your feet, or is it
> >> because
> >> > they have lost their ability to cushion your foot and are sort of
> >> > 'compressed' and useless? If it is the latter then when do you decide
> >> to
> >> > bite the bullet and get a new pair?
> >> >
> >> > thanks,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -Toby
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > p.s. 26 days and its impossible to study for my classes!!!
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ~ Moccasin
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:35:42 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> From: ambery-80243 at mypacks.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stealth camping questions!
> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <
> 24383160.1303259742996.JavaMail.root at elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net
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> I would suggest using the tarp and tent combo as well. If you do get rain
> and bad weather, it's nice to have the tarp take most of it and leave your
> shelter relatively dry and condensation free. It also allows you to leave
> the tent open and not feel like you're shut in if it's nasty.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Jason Moores <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>
> >
> >Buy whatever shelter suits you, then buy an inexpensive camo tarp that can
> >be pitched "over" your shelter. Or, just use the tarp.
> >
> >Jackass
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Sean Carey <stealthguy75 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I know this is the pct forum...I came here because I have been searching
> >> the
> >> net and have not been able to find what I am looking for exactly..I know
> >> the
> >> people here might have more answers for me. I have recently lost my job
> and
> >> am going to be stealth camping in the hills up and around southern
> oregon.
> >> The PCT is actually connected to the trails I will be in..I will most
> >> likely
> >> though not venture out that far to often as I want to be near town for
> >> other
> >> reasons. I have been searching and searching and need to find a good
> >> stealth
> >> tent that is also not to large, but big enough to fit me 6 foot 2 and my
> >> gear...mainly ULA circuit pack packed full. Also big factor is rain!
> Alot
> >> of
> >> storms and rain here this time of year..I need it to be camoflauged or
> at
> >> minimum at least green or brown...found several good looking tents but
> they
> >> are all colors that are horrible for my needs..Any advice or help from
> >> anyone???? Thank you all as always. If need be can keep the advice
> >> "hypothetical" if you feel the need. :) I just really need to find
> >> something
> >> soon...I have one month to figure out everything I need and will have.
> Then
> >> am technically "homeless" Should be interesting.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:41:47 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> From: ambery-80243 at mypacks.net
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] best section for a dog
> To: pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID:
> <
> 17135084.1303260107197.JavaMail.root at elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net
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>
> I think Bob's idea is good. I don't know if you usually leash your dog or
> not, but if you take the alternate route to the Columbia, I would suggest
> making sure you leash it through the Eagle Creek section. It's narrow and
> pretty cliffy, and I've seen one too many people start to lose their balance
> on that trail when someone let their dog run ahead of them and surprise
> someone coming around a bend. It's probably not as paw friendly as the
> "real" PCT, but definitely worth the detour.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Bob Bankhead <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
> >Sent: Apr 12, 2011 8:27 AM
> >To: 'Annie MacWilliams' <mac5attack at hotmail.com>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> >Subject: Re: [pct-l] best section for a dog
> >
> >Anywhere in Oregon, but take the low route around the west side of Crater
> >Lake NP.
> >
> >I'd recommend the 304 miles starting at the south end of section D (hwy
> 138)
> >just north of Crater Lake and going to the Columbia River. With the
> >exception of the lava fields at McKenzie Pass, that's pretty soft
> >trail-tread for your dog's paws.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
> ]
> >On Behalf Of Annie MacWilliams
> >Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 8:06 AM
> >To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> >Subject: [pct-l] best section for a dog
> >
> >
> >Hey All,
> >
> >I was wondering whats the best part of the trail to take a dog on would
> be.
> >I know that a thru with a pooch isnt feasible on the PCT, but what about a
> >good 300 mile chunk for my little 4-legged friend?
> >
> >annie
> >
> >_______________________________________________
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:48:33 -0600
> From: Jason Moores <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stealth camping questions!
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <BANLkTi=ap9uqFLmqsiuLv_nPO8Kbqos2DA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Sean,
>
> "Hypothetically", the hills west of Ashland would provide good cover with
> the bonus of multiple trail access into town. Watch out for Poison Oak.
>
> Good luck brother.
>
> Jackass
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Sean Carey <stealthguy75 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I know this is the pct forum...I came here because I have been searching
> > the
> > net and have not been able to find what I am looking for exactly..I know
> > the
> > people here might have more answers for me. I have recently lost my job
> and
> > am going to be stealth camping in the hills up and around southern
> oregon.
> > The PCT is actually connected to the trails I will be in..I will most
> > likely
> > though not venture out that far to often as I want to be near town for
> > other
> > reasons. I have been searching and searching and need to find a good
> > stealth
> > tent that is also not to large, but big enough to fit me 6 foot 2 and my
> > gear...mainly ULA circuit pack packed full. Also big factor is rain! Alot
> > of
> > storms and rain here this time of year..I need it to be camoflauged or at
> > minimum at least green or brown...found several good looking tents but
> they
> > are all colors that are horrible for my needs..Any advice or help from
> > anyone???? Thank you all as always. If need be can keep the advice
> > "hypothetical" if you feel the need. :) I just really need to find
> > something
> > soon...I have one month to figure out everything I need and will have.
> Then
> > am technically "homeless" Should be interesting.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
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> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:53:06 -0500
> From: Brandon McGinnity <bmcginnity at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Stealth camping questions!
> To: ambery-80243 at mypacks.net, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <BANLkTiktOJY=1BvnSJWiZEfeEW7JN11wNw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> also the tarp takes the sun, which is probably better for your tent too.
>
> Hope things improve for you man.
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:35 PM, <ambery-80243 at mypacks.net> wrote:
>
> > I would suggest using the tarp and tent combo as well. If you do get
> rain
> > and bad weather, it's nice to have the tarp take most of it and leave
> your
> > shelter relatively dry and condensation free. It also allows you to
> leave
> > the tent open and not feel like you're shut in if it's nasty.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: Jason Moores <jmmoores1 at gmail.com>
> > >
> > >Buy whatever shelter suits you, then buy an inexpensive camo tarp that
> can
> > >be pitched "over" your shelter. Or, just use the tarp.
> > >
> > >Jackass
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Sean Carey <stealthguy75 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I know this is the pct forum...I came here because I have been
> searching
> > >> the
> > >> net and have not been able to find what I am looking for exactly..I
> know
> > >> the
> > >> people here might have more answers for me. I have recently lost my
> job
> > and
> > >> am going to be stealth camping in the hills up and around southern
> > oregon.
> > >> The PCT is actually connected to the trails I will be in..I will most
> > >> likely
> > >> though not venture out that far to often as I want to be near town for
> > >> other
> > >> reasons. I have been searching and searching and need to find a good
> > >> stealth
> > >> tent that is also not to large, but big enough to fit me 6 foot 2 and
> my
> > >> gear...mainly ULA circuit pack packed full. Also big factor is rain!
> > Alot
> > >> of
> > >> storms and rain here this time of year..I need it to be camoflauged or
> > at
> > >> minimum at least green or brown...found several good looking tents but
> > they
> > >> are all colors that are horrible for my needs..Any advice or help from
> > >> anyone???? Thank you all as always. If need be can keep the advice
> > >> "hypothetical" if you feel the need. :) I just really need to find
> > >> something
> > >> soon...I have one month to figure out everything I need and will have.
> > Then
> > >> am technically "homeless" Should be interesting.
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pct-L mailing list
> > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> >
> > List Archives:
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> >
>
>
>
> --
> ~ Moccasin
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:08:02 -0700
> From: Cosmic Cat <cosmic.cat144 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Andrew Skurka....an "American Hiking Icon"
> To: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> Message-ID: <BANLkTikWinCtEDEsZK19=kte8afRKb8-OA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I had the dubious pleasure of having Skurka watch me load my pack at Hiker
> Heaven. He made me justify every piece of my gear. Nice guy, and totally
> intense about hiking.
>
> Goodness
> On Apr 19, 2011 4:48 PM, "Ate Tuna" <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Skurka helped me win an argument with a guy that insisted an 8 pound pack
> > was necessary to complete a long trip without the pack falling apart,
> > especially in his Alaskan backyard. He changed his mind real quick once
> he
> > checked out Andrew's 4000 trip in Alaska using a 2 pound pack.
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Reinhold Metzger
> > <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>wrote:
> >
> >> Hi gang,......trouble is back in town and I want to, once again, remind
> >> you of the following:
> >> The March National Geographic Magazine has an article about Andy's 176
> >> day, 4679 mile Alaska journey on foot, raft and skis in 2010.
> >> As already mentioned on the list, Andy is going to give a talk on his
> >> Alaska trip and on UL backpacking at the La Jolla (San Diego) YWCA on
> >> April 21 and 23.
> >> If you want to learn about Andy's ''Alaska Journey" or UL backpacking
> >> I highly recommend you attend Andy's presentation and learn from the
> >> ''Master of UL".....I know I will be there.
> >>
> >> When I first learned about Andy's Alaska plan I thought...."BOY"...."WE
> >> MAY NEVER HEAR FROM ANDY AGAIN.....HE MAY NOT SURVIVE THAT ONE".
> >>
> >> I was wrong.....he did survive and is here to talk about it.
> >> Karen and I have been following Andy's adventures on his web site ever
> >> since we met him a few years ago.
> >> Andy is an extremely nice, friendly, intelligent and likable person and
> >> yes, a warning to the ladies....he is also extremely good looking.....
> >> "ALMOST" as good looking as I am.
> >>
> >> He is an American ''Hiking Icon'' and one of my heroes.
> >>
> >> BTW....if any of you are planing to hike the "Sierra High Route" I
> >> highly suggest you get Andy's "CD - MAP" for the route.
> >> I got mine recently and highly recommend it.
> >>
> >> JMT Reinhold
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:18:57 -0700
> From: <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> Subject: [pct-l] Halfmile is absolutely right!
> To: "PCT MailingList" <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <02A74E2B6D3841039EFDA70567CA5F4C at PacificCrestPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> I just happened to catch something that Halfmile put out back in January:
>
>
> The 9 hikers in 2010 faced above average Sierra snow. These 2010
> hikers arrived early at Kennedy Meadows, June 7th average, 9 days earlier
> than the 2009 hikers. The 2010 hikers spent an average of 4 more days in the
> Kennedy Meadows to Sonora Pass segment than did the 2009 hikers. This seems
> to suggest that arriving early, being prepared for snow, and taking extra
> time in the Sierra is a successful approach to a high snow year.
>
>
>
> This was from his PCT hiker Schedule at pctmap.net
>
> It is what we have been preaching since our beginnings! Thanks, Lon!
>
>
>
> "Just remember, Be Careful out there!"
>
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> Mountain Education
> 1106A Ski Run Blvd
> South Lake Tahoe, Ca. 96150
> P: 888-996-8333
> F: 530-541-1456
> C: 530-721-1551
> http://www.mountaineducation.org
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 27
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:35:19 -0700
> From: "Wes Rose" <wb104475 at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [pct-l] Open Letter to Paradise Cafe
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <586F94247F2B47A88EFE8989B72757B5 at yourgne59bh6da>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Paradise,
>
> Thanks for your quick reply. I think that we both see eye to eye as long
> as you understand that the issue
> here is my hike, not your business. On a side note, the only person who
> I'd personally be suspicious of
> is a hiker named Patty. Definitely open her package. And Mike's too.
> (careful for the flares)
>
> Altruistic Hiker
> [pct-l] Open Letter to Paradise Cafe
> ron guay ron.a.guay2 at gmail.com
> Tue Apr 19 04:53:36 CDT 2011
>
> a.. Previous message: [pct-l] Open Letter to Paradise Cafe
> b.. Next message: [pct-l] wanted to try: LightHeart solo
> c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Dear Hiker Trash...I mean Sir,
>
> Look, there are Trail Angels and then there are businesses. We are a
> business. We have only agreed to continue this service because we aren't
> sure how it will impact our bottom line. Maybe the locals are Hiker Trash
> friendly, or maybe hikers will represent a small, but solid portion of our
> business in the future (I hear they have section hikers around these
> parts...<spits>). In any case, we welcome your business, but I cannot
> allow
> this place to be used as a transfer station by drug smuggling mules. I
> don't trust you. I know...I know...I've heard there are lots of crazy
> Trail Angels out there that feed, board, and transport you smelly homeless
> types...etc...but again...You'all need to understand...we run a
> business..either mail us your package or SEND IT TO WARNER SPRINGS AND/OR
> IDYLWILD."
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 28
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:40:55 -0700
> From: Carl Siechert <carlito at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Anybody from Humboldt county going down to
> ADZPCTKO (and coming back) ?
> To: John Abela <pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com>
> Cc: PCT L <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BANLkTinzJLAZH-xd0_EePqE-dxOJrV5+TA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Just an FYI: If you're not already registered for ADZPCTKO, that place to
> throw up your tent will have to be outside the campground. (Some
> suggestions
> here <http://adzpctko.org/registration_2011x.htm>.)
>
> If you've been to Lake Morena, you know that the campsites are spacious.
> But
> we're limited on the number of *people* in each site--not the number of
> tents. Too many people means overflowing trash bins, long lines in the
> bathrooms, overflowing septic tanks, long lines for food, unhappy campers,
> unhappy rangers, and other bad things.
>
> To those of you who want to bring "just one person" who's small, doesn't
> take up space, will sleep in the car, won't eat much--don't. I've had
> literally scores of requests like that and, unfortunately, the campground
> is
> full. They're welcome to find sleeping accommodations outside the park and
> join us during the day.
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:53 AM, John Abela <
> pacificcresttrail2011 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Anyway, anybody going down to the kick off but not hiking?
> >
> > Looking to score a ride (and a place to throw up my tent) if somebody
> > has the room.
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 29
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:46:22 -0700
> From: <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Neo-Air mattress
> To: "John Abela" <abela at johnabela.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc: Louise Wholey <louisewholey at yahoo.com>
> Message-ID: <40AE955451F54EF4915CA9B6EF1509E0 at PacificCrestPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> What a hassle! Our Expeds works just fine!
>
>
>
> "Just remember, Be Careful out there!"
>
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> Mountain Education
> 1106A Ski Run Blvd
> South Lake Tahoe, Ca. 96150
> P: 888-996-8333
> F: 530-541-1456
> C: 530-721-1551
> http://www.mountaineducation.org
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Abela" <abela at johnabela.com>
> To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Cc: "Louise Wholey" <louisewholey at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 10:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Neo-Air mattress
>
>
> > Shroomer nailed the issue on why the NeoAir goes flat for some of you at
> > night.
> >
> > You need to inflate it all the way, than let just a little bit out,
> > and than let it sit for at least 15 minutes.
> >
> > After 15 minutes, give it a few more puffs and it should stay
> > completely inflated.
> >
> > If you do that and it still deflates at night, than you have a leak.
> >
> > John
> > _______________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 30
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 21:46:35 -0400
> From: Brendan Beltz <brendanbeltz at gmail.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Ride to campo from airport
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <531334E2-DCA0-4799-957D-00C70E0B4DE4 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed;
> delsp=yes
>
> Hey all,
>
> I was just wondering if anybody was already going from San Diego to
> Campo on Wednesday or Thursday and had an extra seat. I'm trying to
> figure out the best ticket to get to walk from the border to kickoff.
> It would be great to get a lift but I don't want to bean extra bother
> and would be much more comfortable tagging along if anybody's already
> going and has an extra space.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brendan
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 31
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 21:47:05 -0400
> From: Toby Maxwell <tmm19 at geneseo.edu>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] shoe replacement
> To: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <BANLkTik3v8MfiK_az9NS0Uyn8-Sd3RzkWw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> ok. I'll have to play it by ear (hyopct kinda thing) but given that I've
> pretty much always had the need for arch support, so I'll air on the side
> of
> caution and replace when it seems makes sense logistically as well as
> comfortably. Thanks very much.
>
> -Toby
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I may think the same thing. I'm starting to think the best type of shoe
> is
> > one with just enough protection to prevent bruises and cuts. Support
> isn't
> > necessary. Support prevents the development of the foot, which can lead
> to
> > planter fascia injury when the shoe support eventually fails.
> >
> > Check out Piper's homemade shoes. They have no support, yet she's said
> > they're the most comfortable shoes she's worn.
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Brandon McGinnity <bmcginnity at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > I have a different theory on footwear than most people. Basically, that
> > > it's better to have less cushioning and support, so the body can move
> > > naturally. Barefoot is best, or a soft sole, just something to protect
> > the
> > > sole. In theory. Maybe not for a thru-hike, or maybe we're all just
> > > conditioned to believe that. People have been walking long distances
> for
> > all
> > > of history, before Nike ever came along.
> > >
> > > This is all assuming one has healthy feet, of course. Since I do, I
> > replace
> > > my shoes only when truly necessary, as in, they're shredded.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> They lose the ability to cushion, or rather, it loses its structure
> > which
> > >> can increase the chance of injury. It's the EVA midsole. The damage
> > may
> > >> not be easy to see. I'd rather replace the shoes early than risk
> having
> > >> bad
> > >> shoes cause a foot injury on a thru hike.
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Toby Maxwell <tmm19 at geneseo.edu>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi everyone,
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Just curious what causes people to replace shoes most of the time.
> Is
> > >> it
> > >> > because they are torn to shreds and barely hold your feet, or is it
> > >> because
> > >> > they have lost their ability to cushion your foot and are sort of
> > >> > 'compressed' and useless? If it is the latter then when do you
> decide
> > >> to
> > >> > bite the bullet and get a new pair?
> > >> >
> > >> > thanks,
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > -Toby
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > p.s. 26 days and its impossible to study for my classes!!!
> > >> > _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > > --
> > > ~ Moccasin
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 32
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:48:51 -0700
> From: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Open Letter to Paradise Cafe
> To: Wes Rose <wb104475 at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <BANLkTiktB7ksyirsRbjR9eZ=qraG35X6iQ at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Is Ron's hiker name Paradise? Does he business along the trail like the
> Paradise Valley Cafe?
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Wes Rose <wb104475 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > Paradise,
> >
> > Thanks for your quick reply. I think that we both see eye to eye as long
> > as you understand that the issue
> > here is my hike, not your business. On a side note, the only person who
> > I'd personally be suspicious of
> > is a hiker named Patty. Definitely open her package. And Mike's too.
> > (careful for the flares)
> >
> > Altruistic Hiker
> > [pct-l] Open Letter to Paradise Cafe
> > ron guay ron.a.guay2 at gmail.com
> > Tue Apr 19 04:53:36 CDT 2011
> >
> > a.. Previous message: [pct-l] Open Letter to Paradise Cafe
> > b.. Next message: [pct-l] wanted to try: LightHeart solo
> > c.. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
> >
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > "Dear Hiker Trash...I mean Sir,
> >
> > Look, there are Trail Angels and then there are businesses. We are a
> > business. We have only agreed to continue this service because we aren't
> > sure how it will impact our bottom line. Maybe the locals are Hiker
> Trash
> > friendly, or maybe hikers will represent a small, but solid portion of
> our
> > business in the future (I hear they have section hikers around these
> > parts...<spits>). In any case, we welcome your business, but I cannot
> > allow
> > this place to be used as a transfer station by drug smuggling mules. I
> > don't trust you. I know...I know...I've heard there are lots of crazy
> > Trail Angels out there that feed, board, and transport you smelly
> homeless
> > types...etc...but again...You'all need to understand...we run a
> > business..either mail us your package or SEND IT TO WARNER SPRINGS AND/OR
> > IDYLWILD."
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 33
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:56:22 -0700
> From: <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section D Mt baden powell snow
> To: "patti kulesz" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>, "Perry Chamberlain"
> <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>, <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <ED616BF2397C4EF5A1554F7E0DADEAA1 at PacificCrestPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> When it seems apparent that you will be running into snow, crusty snow, or
> ice here and there, please find out how to travel over it safely! That is
> why Mountain Education offers inexpensive skills training in exactly these
> abilities for PCT thru hikers. We have been sounding the bell since the
> first heavy snows of November!
>
> Nevertheless, we will be at the Kickoff to try to teach what needs to be
> learned (as much as can be done on dry ground) so that all of this year's
> hopefuls can have a good, safe time experiencing the hike of their
> lifetimes!
>
> So, from Paradise Cafe/Idyllwild, carry your ice axe and microspikes/KTS
> crampons and know how to use them!
>
>
> "Just remember, Be Careful out there!"
>
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> Mountain Education
> 1106A Ski Run Blvd
> South Lake Tahoe, Ca. 96150
> P: 888-996-8333
> F: 530-541-1456
> C: 530-721-1551
> http://www.mountaineducation.org
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "patti kulesz" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Perry Chamberlain" <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>;
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section D Mt baden powell snow
>
>
> > Yeh Baden Powell is a bitch when snow is involved. I hiked it alot before
> > the
> > closure, as it was practically in my backyard. There have been a few
> > occassions
> > where it was too dangerous to hike b/c of the ice and I had to turn back
> > and go
> > to another trail. Blue Ridge area is pretty bad too. Hopefully it will
> get
> > better before the hikers go thru there!
> >
> > Sugar Moma
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Perry Chamberlain <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 9:49:15 PM
> > Subject: [pct-l] Section D Mt baden powell snow
> >
> > Ran into another hiker on section D today, he mentioned the snow hike on
> > baden
> > powell.
> > He said being from alaska, baden powell was a chore, wading through waist
> > deep
> > wet snow.
> > Oh joy.
> > A hiker could get frost bite on their giblets.
> > :-)
> > He had a huge pack.
> > Come on warm weather.........
> > canoeman
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 34
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:13:14 -0700
> From: Scott Williams <baidarker at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] A long shot, but...
> To: Bill Burge <bill at burge.com>
> Cc: PCT MailingList <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BANLkTinuEAupXxsGzULTiSahZ2_9cQcHtA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Damn Jackass, that's the same stunts you were throwin last year at KO.
> Scream all you want, but just stay the hell off the crapper. You don't
> need any shrooms, you're a natural. And the Haight Ashbury Free Clinic is
> sending their best just to make sure there ain't no bad shit goin around.
> Gravey's on tap with his Clown College, so help is on the way, even if you
> do end up on the crapper. If you want shrooms, I'll just lead you off into
> the chaparral and show you where to graze, not a problem. And you just do
> whatever Sweet Molasses says, cause I don't want to be catchin any blame
> for
> your antics! She's all yours dude! See ya soon,
>
> Shroomer
>
> Damn your posts make me laugh! I'm all through writing, and I'm still
> laughing. You're real good, in a bad sort of way!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 35
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:14:05 -0700
> From: "James F. Miller" <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section D Mt baden powell snow
> To: <ned at mountaineducation.org>, <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>,
> <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>, pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <BAY147-w8B96F904C55C0050899AACA930 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> Ya think crampons and ice axe in two weeks? North of Idyllwid
>
> > From: ned at mountaineducation.org
> > To: peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com; juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com;
> pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:56:22 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section D Mt baden powell snow
> >
> > When it seems apparent that you will be running into snow, crusty snow,
> or
> > ice here and there, please find out how to travel over it safely! That is
> > why Mountain Education offers inexpensive skills training in exactly
> these
> > abilities for PCT thru hikers. We have been sounding the bell since the
> > first heavy snows of November!
> >
> > Nevertheless, we will be at the Kickoff to try to teach what needs to be
> > learned (as much as can be done on dry ground) so that all of this year's
> > hopefuls can have a good, safe time experiencing the hike of their
> > lifetimes!
> >
> > So, from Paradise Cafe/Idyllwild, carry your ice axe and microspikes/KTS
> > crampons and know how to use them!
> >
> >
> > "Just remember, Be Careful out there!"
> >
> > Ned Tibbits, Director
> > Mountain Education
> > 1106A Ski Run Blvd
> > South Lake Tahoe, Ca. 96150
> > P: 888-996-8333
> > F: 530-541-1456
> > C: 530-721-1551
> > http://www.mountaineducation.org
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "patti kulesz" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> > To: "Perry Chamberlain" <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>;
> > <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:16 AM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section D Mt baden powell snow
> >
> >
> > > Yeh Baden Powell is a bitch when snow is involved. I hiked it alot
> before
> > > the
> > > closure, as it was practically in my backyard. There have been a few
> > > occassions
> > > where it was too dangerous to hike b/c of the ice and I had to turn
> back
> > > and go
> > > to another trail. Blue Ridge area is pretty bad too. Hopefully it will
> get
> > > better before the hikers go thru there!
> > >
> > > Sugar Moma
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Perry Chamberlain <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>
> > > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 9:49:15 PM
> > > Subject: [pct-l] Section D Mt baden powell snow
> > >
> > > Ran into another hiker on section D today, he mentioned the snow hike
> on
> > > baden
> > > powell.
> > > He said being from alaska, baden powell was a chore, wading through
> waist
> > > deep
> > > wet snow.
> > > Oh joy.
> > > A hiker could get frost bite on their giblets.
> > > :-)
> > > He had a huge pack.
> > > Come on warm weather.........
> > > canoeman
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Pct-L mailing list
> > > Pct-L at backcountry.net
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> > >
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 36
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:44:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section D Mt baden powell snow
> To: "James F. Miller" <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>,
> ned at mountaineducation.org, juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com, pct-l
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Message-ID: <382594.39779.qm at web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> u'll just need spikes no ice axe
>
> Sugar Moma
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: James F. Miller <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>
> To: ned at mountaineducation.org; peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com;
> juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com; pct-l <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 7:14:05 PM
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Section D Mt baden powell snow
>
> Ya think crampons and ice axe in two weeks? North of Idyllwid
>
> > From: ned at mountaineducation.org
> > To: peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com; juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com;
> pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:56:22 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section D Mt baden powell snow
> >
> > When it seems apparent that you will be running into snow, crusty snow,
> or
> > ice here and there, please find out how to travel over it safely! That is
> > why Mountain Education offers inexpensive skills training in exactly
> these
> > abilities for PCT thru hikers. We have been sounding the bell since the
> > first heavy snows of November!
> >
> > Nevertheless, we will be at the Kickoff to try to teach what needs to be
> > learned (as much as can be done on dry ground) so that all of this year's
> > hopefuls can have a good, safe time experiencing the hike of their
> > lifetimes!
> >
> > So, from Paradise Cafe/Idyllwild, carry your ice axe and microspikes/KTS
> > crampons and know how to use them!
> >
> >
> > "Just remember, Be Careful out there!"
> >
> > Ned Tibbits, Director
> > Mountain Education
> > 1106A Ski Run Blvd
> > South Lake Tahoe, Ca. 96150
> > P: 888-996-8333
> > F: 530-541-1456
> > C: 530-721-1551
> > http://www.mountaineducation.org
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "patti kulesz" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> > To: "Perry Chamberlain" <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>;
> > <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:16 AM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section D Mt baden powell snow
> >
> >
> > > Yeh Baden Powell is a bitch when snow is involved. I hiked it alot
> before
> > > the
> > > closure, as it was practically in my backyard. There have been a few
> > > occassions
> > > where it was too dangerous to hike b/c of the ice and I had to turn
> back
> > > and go
> > > to another trail. Blue Ridge area is pretty bad too. Hopefully it will
> get
> > > better before the hikers go thru there!
> > >
> > > Sugar Moma
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Perry Chamberlain <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>
> > > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 9:49:15 PM
> > > Subject: [pct-l] Section D Mt baden powell snow
> > >
> > > Ran into another hiker on section D today, he mentioned the snow hike
> on
> > > baden
> > > powell.
> > > He said being from alaska, baden powell was a chore, wading through
> waist
> > > deep
> > > wet snow.
> > > Oh joy.
> > > A hiker could get frost bite on their giblets.
> > > :-)
> > > He had a huge pack.
> > > Come on warm weather.........
> > > canoeman
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Pct-L mailing list
> > > Pct-L at backcountry.net
> > > To unsubcribe, or change options visit:
> > > http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l
> > >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 37
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:44:08 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Dale Combs <comebackwalking at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [pct-l] Ticks
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <948802.81643.qm at web113416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I've seen zero ticks in 660 miles of PCT.
> Seen 2 ticks in 291 miles of AT. One tick removal, dead.
> I've seen about 120 tick incidents in 405 miles at Henry Coe/Orestimba. One
> live tick removed.
>
> Ticks feed three times in their life. If they have last feed on the
> ubiquitios Blue Fence Lizard,
> (often seen doing pushups) then that clears the bacteria from the ticks.
>
> When it's alive a steady pull makes the tick let go after about 20 seconds.
> When it's dead, because the immediate instinctive reaction is to crush it
> with your fingernails,
> you pull and the snout breaks off with the digits on the mandible still
> inside the wound.
> Then you have to dig it out.
>
> Don't save the tick. Lymes Disease is diagnosed based on the symptoms.
>
> If the bite location doesn't turn into a bulls eye, the size of a dime, and
> you don't otherwise have symptoms.......the Doc is not going to do anything.
>
>
>
> ?Fortunately (or
> unfortunately, depending on your perspective) I have had a previous tick
> get to
> my skin so I knew what it felt like -- not a sharp pain, just a slowly
> increasing, nagging prick, as if someone held a pencil against your skin
> and
> ever so slowly increased the pressure,? Bob Burd.
> I'm not saying you should be paranoid. But, if you do see one, then start
> putting deet on your lower legs, tuck your pant legs into your socks.
> Dale
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 38
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:49:58 -0700 (PDT)
> From: patti kulesz <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Open Letter to Paradise Cafe
> To: Wes Rose <wb104475 at sbcglobal.net>, pct-l at backcountry.net
> Message-ID: <620503.17301.qm at web161418.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> haha...my name isn't Patti! it's Sugar Moma....and I put rattle snakes in
> my
> packages...trained by by me the snake whisperer...beware! :-P
>
> Sugar Moma
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Wes Rose <wb104475 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 6:35:19 PM
> Subject: [pct-l] Open Letter to Paradise Cafe
>
> Paradise,
>
> Thanks for your quick reply. I think that we both see eye to eye as long
> as you
> understand that the issue
>
> here is my hike, not your business. On a side note, the only person who
> I'd
> personally be suspicious of
>
> is a hiker named Patty. Definitely open her package. And Mike's too.
> (careful
> for the flares)
>
> Altruistic Hiker
> [pct-l] Open Letter to Paradise Cafe
> ron guay ron.a.guay2 at gmail.com
> Tue Apr 19 04:53:36 CDT 2011
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> "Dear Hiker Trash...I mean Sir,
>
> Look, there are Trail Angels and then there are businesses. We are a
> business. We have only agreed to continue this service because we aren't
> sure how it will impact our bottom line. Maybe the locals are Hiker Trash
> friendly, or maybe hikers will represent a small, but solid portion of our
> business in the future (I hear they have section hikers around these
> parts...<spits>). In any case, we welcome your business, but I cannot
> allow
> this place to be used as a transfer station by drug smuggling mules. I
> don't trust you. I know...I know...I've heard there are lots of crazy
> Trail Angels out there that feed, board, and transport you smelly homeless
> types...etc...but again...You'all need to understand...we run a
> business..either mail us your package or SEND IT TO WARNER SPRINGS AND/OR
> IDYLWILD."
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> Message: 39
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:54:45 -0700
> From: <ned at mountaineducation.org>
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] San Jacinto/Mt baden powell snow
> To: "James F. Miller" <jamesfmiller at hotmail.com>,
> <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>, <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>,
> "pct-l"
> <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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>
> Last year just after the KO, Mountain Education taught one of our Snow
> Skills Training Courses up on San Jacinto around the Lookout. There was
> still about 3 feet of snow. Those who had just come over the Desert Divide
> related stories of nasty snow and ice down there. Most were not snow-savvy
> or prepared with the training and tools to deal with the conditions present.
> Hence, the decision by many to road-walk around the whole mess.
>
> Not necessary at all with the right training and experience. Why risk a
> fall and the end of a thru hike through simply hoping that the hazard won't
> be there when you arrive? Assume that it will and be prepared for the worst.
>
> At this point we still have weather coming in to the central Sierra. I
> don't know if SoCal is being hit. If it were me on my "hike-of-a-Lifetime,"
> I would carry the necessary tools to get the job done if the conditions
> presented themselves. From what we are hearing coming out of the Mt. Baldy
> area, you'll need them there, too. Who wants to road-walk around when you
> can enjoy the whole trail safely with a little training?
>
> So, yes to the ice axe, for anchors, self-belay, and self-arrest, and "most
> likely" to the microspikes/KTS crampons!
>
>
>
> "Just remember, Be Careful out there!"
>
> Ned Tibbits, Director
> Mountain Education
> 1106A Ski Run Blvd
> South Lake Tahoe, Ca. 96150
> P: 888-996-8333
> F: 530-541-1456
> C: 530-721-1551
> http://www.mountaineducation.org
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James F. Miller
> To: ned at mountaineducation.org ; peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com ;
> juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com ; pct-l
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 7:14 PM
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] Section D Mt baden powell snow
>
>
> Ya think crampons and ice axe in two weeks? North of Idyllwid
>
> > From: ned at mountaineducation.org
> > To: peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com; juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com;
> pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 18:56:22 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section D Mt baden powell snow
> >
> > When it seems apparent that you will be running into snow, crusty snow,
> or
> > ice here and there, please find out how to travel over it safely! That
> is
> > why Mountain Education offers inexpensive skills training in exactly
> these
> > abilities for PCT thru hikers. We have been sounding the bell since the
> > first heavy snows of November!
> >
> > Nevertheless, we will be at the Kickoff to try to teach what needs to be
> > learned (as much as can be done on dry ground) so that all of this
> year's
> > hopefuls can have a good, safe time experiencing the hike of their
> > lifetimes!
> >
> > So, from Paradise Cafe/Idyllwild, carry your ice axe and microspikes/KTS
> > crampons and know how to use them!
> >
> >
> > "Just remember, Be Careful out there!"
> >
> > Ned Tibbits, Director
> > Mountain Education
> > 1106A Ski Run Blvd
> > South Lake Tahoe, Ca. 96150
> > P: 888-996-8333
> > F: 530-541-1456
> > C: 530-721-1551
> > http://www.mountaineducation.org
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "patti kulesz" <peprmintpati88 at yahoo.com>
> > To: "Perry Chamberlain" <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>;
> > <pct-l at backcountry.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:16 AM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Section D Mt baden powell snow
> >
> >
> > > Yeh Baden Powell is a bitch when snow is involved. I hiked it alot
> before
> > > the
> > > closure, as it was practically in my backyard. There have been a few
> > > occassions
> > > where it was too dangerous to hike b/c of the ice and I had to turn
> back
> > > and go
> > > to another trail. Blue Ridge area is pretty bad too. Hopefully it will
> get
> > > better before the hikers go thru there!
> > >
> > > Sugar Moma
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Perry Chamberlain <juniper_canoeman at yahoo.com>
> > > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > > Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 9:49:15 PM
> > > Subject: [pct-l] Section D Mt baden powell snow
> > >
> > > Ran into another hiker on section D today, he mentioned the snow hike
> on
> > > baden
> > > powell.
> > > He said being from alaska, baden powell was a chore, wading through
> waist
> > > deep
> > > wet snow.
> > > Oh joy.
> > > A hiker could get frost bite on their giblets.
> > > :-)
> > > He had a huge pack.
> > > Come on warm weather.........
> > > canoeman
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