[pct-l] Paradise Corner Cafe
Kolby Kirk
admin at thehikeguy.com
Mon Apr 18 04:15:51 CDT 2011
I can't imagine how far this thread will spin out of control if a thru hiker
reports an item missing from their "inspected" mail.
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Kevin Renfrow <kevinrenfrow at gmail.com>wrote:
> Not to mention reckless. They are not the police and have no legal
> authority to be searching for drugs or other contraband (or whatever
> else they're looking for??) in the first place. I'm not really sure
> what benefit searching boxes gives them. It seems to me like they
> would have a lot less liability if, heaven forbid, one of the boxes
> shipped to them had illicit items and they hadn't opened it than if
> they opened it (regardless of the illegality of opening another
> person's mail).
>
> -Kevin
> http://www.hikingwithcrohns.com/
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Ryan Christensen
> <yosemiteryan at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > and highly illegal!
> >
> > ProDeal
> >
> > www.bristleconemedia.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: giniajim <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> > To: Jim Keener ( J J ) <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com>; Vermilion Valley
> Resort
> > <pct-l at edisonlake.com>
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net; Tortoise73 at charter.net
> > Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 12:18:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Paradise Corner Cafe
> >
> > Did he say why he does this? It really seems crazy.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jim Keener ( J J )
> > To: Vermilion Valley Resort
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net ; Tortoise73 at charter.net
> > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 2:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Paradise Corner Cafe
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > After I read that mail was being checked at Paradise Valley Cafe, a
> friend and
> > I had breakfast there after a day hike. I asked the owner if hiker mail
> was
> > opened and inspected. He said that it is.
> >
> >
> > For me, it's no big deal. If it bothers you, don't use the service.
> >
> > Walk well,
> > Jim Keener ( J J )
> >
> > On Apr 17, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Vermilion Valley Resort <
> pct-l at edisonlake.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > OR... it could be that this "policy" isn't true. From what I can tell
> -
> > > this entire discussion was based on ONE person stating that the owner
> > > had told him they were going to open packages.
> > >
> > > Maybe the owner was just kidding with him? Or maybe *gasp*, the
> poster
> > > has another agenda? I'm not accusing here - just saying - why make a
> > > big deal over hearsay?
> > >
> > > Of course... if you're planning to ship drugs in your resupply
> package,
> > > I wouldn't send a resupply to the cafe (or ANY resupply point for that
> > > matter).
> > >
> > > Otherwise... why make such a big deal out of something that hasn't
> even
> > > been confirmed?
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > > Tortoise wrote:
> > >> I generally agree with those who disapprove of the Paradise Cafe's
> opening
> > >> hiker packages to "inspect" them. I haven't seen their reason for
> > >> inspecting -- maybe it is a good one; maybe they are suspicious of
> "trail
> > >> trash" or "hippies" and are on some kind of moral crusade. As to the
> > >> legality, I'm not a lawyer so don't know about this. For those who
> object
> > >> to the search, the best solution is make other arrangements and even
> eat
> > >> elsewhere.
> > >>
> > >> Could be after the new owners have some experience with hikers they
> will
> > >> change their rule.
> > >>
> > >> There is another big difference between this and the TSA inspections.
> Often
> > >> there are no good alternatives to flying and apparently the laws
> allow
> > >> this. As to the wisdom and effectiveness of the TSA screenings;
> that's
> > >> another question well beyond the scope of this list.
> > >>
> > >> Tortoise
> > >>
> > >> <> Because truth matters.<>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 04/15/11 16:35, Brandon McGinnity wrote:
> > >>> No offense, but I've heard that argument used in other cases, like
> the TSA
> > >>> at airports, and it really rubs me the wrong way. Like we should be
> > >>> *happy*to give up our rights. Privacy, and encroachment upon it, is
> > >>> something worth
> > >>> getting upset about.
> > >>>
> > >>> In this case, though, just as with flying, it seems that you either
> agree,
> > >>> and give up your privacy, or you do something else. It does seem
> silly to
> > >>> make a big stink over this. Anyways, who would want the risk of
> mailing
> > >>> drugs anywhere?
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Ate Tuna<atetuna at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> These people go out of your way to help hikers without demanding
> any
> > >>>> payment, and then the hikers dictate terms and make legal threats.
> It
> > >>>> speaks volumes about the trail angels that stick it out year after
> year
> > >>>> despite hikers with entitlement issues.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:42 PM, goslowgofar<goslowgofar at yahoo.com
> >
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> And yet, that still doesn't make the practice ethical or LEGAL.
> I
> > >>>>> wouldn't
> > >>>>> want to support a business that does this. It's a contradiction:
> they
> > >>>>> provide
> > >>>>> water to hikers, and seem to like hikers, but think they are all
> > >>>> potential
> > >>>>> drug
> > >>>>> abusers? Weird. Or, maybe they are the drug users and are looking
> for
> > >>>>> their own
> > >>>>> use? Whatever...
> > >>>>> Katy
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