[pct-l] Paradise Corner Cafe

Kevin Renfrow kevinrenfrow at gmail.com
Sun Apr 17 23:09:46 CDT 2011 

Not to mention reckless. They are not the police and have no legal
authority to be searching for drugs or other contraband (or whatever
else they're looking for??) in the first place. I'm not really sure
what benefit searching boxes gives them. It seems to me like they
would have a lot less liability if, heaven forbid, one of the boxes
shipped to them had illicit items and they hadn't opened it than if
they opened it (regardless of the illegality of opening another
person's mail).

-Kevin
http://www.hikingwithcrohns.com/

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Ryan Christensen
<yosemiteryan at yahoo.com> wrote:
> and highly illegal!
>
> ProDeal
>
>  www.bristleconemedia.com
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: giniajim <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> To: Jim Keener ( J J ) <pct2010 at ridgetrailhiker.com>; Vermilion Valley Resort
> <pct-l at edisonlake.com>
> Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net; Tortoise73 at charter.net
> Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 12:18:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Paradise Corner Cafe
>
> Did he say why he does this?  It really seems crazy.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Jim Keener ( J J )
>  To: Vermilion Valley Resort
>  Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net ; Tortoise73 at charter.net
>  Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 2:54 PM
>  Subject: Re: [pct-l] Paradise Corner Cafe
>
>
>  Hi,
>
>  After I read that mail was being checked at Paradise Valley Cafe, a friend and
> I had breakfast there after a day hike. I asked the owner if hiker mail was
> opened and inspected. He said that it is.
>
>
>  For me, it's no big deal. If it bothers you, don't use the service.
>
>  Walk well,
>  Jim Keener ( J J )
>
>  On Apr 17, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Vermilion Valley Resort <pct-l at edisonlake.com>
> wrote:
>
>  > OR... it could be that this "policy" isn't true.  From what I can tell -
>  > this entire discussion was based on ONE person stating that the owner
>  > had told him they were going to open packages.
>  >
>  > Maybe the owner was just kidding with him?  Or maybe *gasp*, the poster
>  > has another agenda?  I'm not accusing here - just saying - why make a
>  > big deal over hearsay?
>  >
>  > Of course... if you're planning to ship drugs in your resupply package,
>  > I wouldn't send a resupply to the cafe (or ANY resupply point for that
>  > matter).
>  >
>  > Otherwise... why make such a big deal out of something that hasn't even
>  > been confirmed?
>  >
>  > Bill
>  >
>  >
>  > Tortoise wrote:
>  >> I generally agree with those who disapprove of the Paradise Cafe's opening
>  >> hiker packages to "inspect" them. I haven't seen their reason for
>  >> inspecting -- maybe it is a good one; maybe they are suspicious of "trail
>  >> trash" or "hippies" and are on some kind of moral crusade. As to the
>  >> legality, I'm not a lawyer so don't know about this. For those who object
>  >> to the search, the best solution is make other arrangements and even eat
>  >> elsewhere.
>  >>
>  >> Could be after the new owners have some experience with hikers they will
>  >> change their rule.
>  >>
>  >> There is another big difference between this and the TSA inspections. Often
>  >> there are no good alternatives to flying and apparently the laws allow
>  >> this. As to the wisdom and effectiveness of the TSA screenings; that's
>  >> another question well beyond the scope of this list.
>  >>
>  >> Tortoise
>  >>
>  >> <>   Because truth matters.<>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> On 04/15/11 16:35, Brandon McGinnity wrote:
>  >>> No offense, but I've heard that argument used in other cases, like the TSA
>  >>> at airports, and it really rubs me the wrong way. Like we should be
>  >>> *happy*to give up our rights. Privacy, and encroachment upon it, is
>  >>> something worth
>  >>> getting upset about.
>  >>>
>  >>> In this case, though, just as with flying, it seems that you either agree,
>  >>> and give up your privacy, or you do something else. It does seem silly to
>  >>> make a big stink over this. Anyways, who would want the risk of mailing
>  >>> drugs anywhere?
>  >>>
>  >>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Ate Tuna<atetuna at gmail.com>   wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>>> These people go out of your way to help hikers without demanding any
>  >>>> payment, and then the hikers dictate terms and make legal threats.  It
>  >>>> speaks volumes about the trail angels that stick it out year after year
>  >>>> despite hikers with entitlement issues.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:42 PM, goslowgofar<goslowgofar at yahoo.com>
>  >>>> wrote:
>  >>>>
>  >>>>>  And yet, that still doesn't make the practice ethical or LEGAL.     I
>  >>>>> wouldn't
>  >>>>> want to support a business that does this.  It's a contradiction: they
>  >>>>> provide
>  >>>>> water to hikers, and seem to like hikers, but think they are all
>  >>>> potential
>  >>>>> drug
>  >>>>> abusers?  Weird. Or, maybe they are the drug users and are looking for
>  >>>>> their own
>  >>>>> use?  Whatever...
>  >>>>> Katy
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