[pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question

[Bill Burge]

It is also low VOC. 

Yes, checking this stuff on my phone is awkward. 

Bill Burge 
Typoed on my iPhone...

On Apr 3, 2011, at 12:25 PM, "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com> wrote:

> Greg, I hope you are right in your interpretation. There are also some
> modifications in proposed amendments to the rule that you find on a search
> that I could not ascertain were adopted. I'm certainly not an expert in law,
> science, or labeling (deceptive or otherwise). The cans of denatured
> recently donated are labeled "alcohol appliance fuel" "marine stove fuel"
> and made no mention of solvent uses. For me the litmus test is whether or
> not the hardware store can order the product. If they can't order it,
> chances are good other retailers in the SCAQMD boundaries won't be able to
> order it either.  Our dear Trish is a busy lady, but I will check to see if
> she can order plain marine fuel, Heet, sterno, and esbits or other solid
> fuel like trioxane.  I know she can't order fuel canisters because she's
> tried that before. 
> 
> Maybe too the new lower VOC products might still be effective for our cat
> can stoves. Going cookless is a great option if you're prepared to do so. I
> confess I would really miss the creature comforts of hot tea and cleaning up
> with warm water.  Yes, I'm a wussy hiker.
> 
> L-Rod
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Greg Mikol
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 10:29 PM
> To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question
> 
> Bull Burge wrote:
>> http://www.packserv.com/Content-Public/Products-By-Brand/Page.asp?iID=8
>> 
>> These guys are providing a denatured alcohol that will pass the voc
>> levels.
>> 
>> I haven't been able to do good research on my phone, but automotive
>> additives like HEET may not be covered by this based on their
>> intended use.
>> 
>> BillB Typoed on my iPhone...
> 
> 
> Bill, I think you may have mis-read something on your iphone. This 
> company is making some vague claims about "biodegradable" and "95% 
> natural" and "renewable" for their denatured alcohol, but if you look at 
> the MSDS, it still is, fundamentally, alcohol. 90-95% ethanol, 5-10% 
> isopropyl alcohol, pretty typical denatured alcohol. ~800 g/L VOC.
> 
> The simple alcohols (methyl, ethyl, propanol, isopropyl) are all VOC's. 
> Period. Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is probably lying.
> 
> However, in reading through Rule 1143, it appears as if denatured 
> alcohol could still be sold if it is explicitly labeled with a specific 
> end-use that is not as a solvent. (NOTE: I don't live in SoCal, and I am 
> neither an expert, nor a lawyer). For example, a 1-quart can of 
> denatured alcohol with a manufacturer's printed label which identifies 
> it for use as marine stove fuel only, and gives no other usage 
> instructions is OK, since it's designed to be burned = no VOC's. That 
> same quart, with a label that simply reads "Denatured Alcohol" or 
> "Shellac Thinner", with multiple uses listed, is not OK, since many of 
> those uses are designed for evaporation of the alcohol into the atmosphere.
> 
> Just my interpretation, but it doesn't do any good for tracking down 
> fuel in the middle of nowhere. However, if there are a couple of 
> PCT-friendly stores at key locations that could be talked into stocking 
> "Marine Stove Fuel", properly labeled, that might help, in the future.
> 
> My opinion is worth what you paid for it...
> 
> --Greg
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