[pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question

Sun Apr 3 14:36:59 CDT 2011

That's about where the southernmost SCAQMD boundary starts. What exactly the
new rule means for hiker fuel resupply is really the question.

L-Rod 

-----Original Message-----
From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
On Behalf Of Paul Robison
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 1:41 PM
To: Ate Tuna
Cc: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
Subject: Re: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question

i'm stoveless campo to Cabazon,  and from mile 702 to ~1200.

so basically just right around banning do i have to be concerned.

________________________________
From: Ate Tuna <atetuna at gmail.com>
To: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
Cc: Donna Saufley <dsaufley at sprynet.com>; "<pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>" 
<pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>; Bob Bankhead <wandering_bob at comcast.net>
Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 4:38:02 PM
Subject: Re: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question

That's easy.  I'm already stoveless.

On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
wrote:

Survey type Question,
>
>If, in time HEET became unavailable... Would you be more likely to use a 
>canister,  or would you try stoveless?
>
>Sent from my iPod
>
>
>On 2011-04-02, at 4:19 PM, "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com> wrote:
>
>> The rationale stated on their site:
>>
>> "Consumer products, which include everything from nail polish to floor
wax,
>> emit more than 110 tons per day of smog-forming volatile organic
compounds
>> (VOCs) in the Southland. Consumer products are the largest source of VOCs
in
>> the region, eclipsing cars, trucks or industry.
>>
>> "This rule, a first in the nation, is going to significantly benefit all
of
>> us who live and breathe in the greater Los Angeles Basin," said AQMD
>> Governing Board Chairman William A. Burke, Ed.D. "In less than two years,
>> the rule will have reduced VOC pollution by up to 9.75 tons per day. That
is
>> the equal to shutting down all seven major oil refineries in Los Angeles
>> County!" "
>>
>> I don't know enough about the science or concrete evidence behind their
>> statement, but it does seem clear that we humans are polluting our
beautiful
>> planet, and that we can all make choices in our lives to make less of an
>> impact.
>>
>> It's just what the choices are that is unclear right now . . . without
Heet
>> and denatured, hikers may need alternative fuel for a big chunk of trail
in
>> SoCal.
>>
>> LR
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Bankhead [mailto:wandering_bob at comcast.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:55 PM
>> To: 'Donna Saufley'; pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
>> Subject: RE: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question
>>
>> Yet another example of poor judgment by California officials. Your tax
>> dollars at work.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
[mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
>> On Behalf Of Donna Saufley
>> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:48 PM
>> To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
>> Subject: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question
>>
>> This morning we stopped by our local hardware store.  The owner Trish,
who
>> has done countless kindnesses for hikers including donating denatured
>> alcohol, gave us her last three cans and told us she will not be able to
>> order any more.  She said South Coast Air Quality Management District
Rule
>> 1143 is the reason;  it bans numerous paint solvents within their
district
>> boundaries  www.aqmd.gov/news1/2009/Rule1143PR.html
>>
>>
>>
>> According to their map, www.aqmd.gov/map/mapaqmd1.pdf the PCT goes
through
>> SCAQMD boundardies from San Bernardino to where the trail meets the
Mojave
>> floor at Hwy 138.  "Rule 1143 - Reduction of VOC Emissions from Consumer
>> Paint Thinners and Multi-Purpose Solvents establishes an interim VOC
limit
>> of 300 grams/liter (g/l,) effective January 1, 2010, and a VOC limit of
25
>> g/l effective January 1, 2011, for all consumer paint thinners and
>> multi-purpose solvents."
>>
>>
>>
>> The denatured alcohol we've been using (the cans Trish just donated) is
VOC:
>> 815 g/L, obviously way in excess of the new limit within the district.
Can
>> anyone verify the VOC of Heet?  Or know if the new lower VOC products
will
>> work in stoves?
>>
>>
>>
>> It sounds like SCAQMD is acting as environmental leaders with this rule,
and
>> I have not heard that denatured and other solvents will be banned in
other
>> areas.  Imagining enforcement on the PCT is difficult.  However, hikers
may
>> not be able to buy denatured at resupply locations within the district,
and
>> other regions may be considering similar bans.
>>
>>
>>
>> L-Rod
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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