[pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question

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Canister for sure. Probably a Snow Peak Giga.

Cheers,
Mike
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-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Robison <paulrobisonhome at yahoo.com>
Sender: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 16:31:01 
To: Donna Saufley<dsaufley at sprynet.com>
Cc: <pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net><pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net>; Bob Bankhead<wandering_bob at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question

Survey type Question,

If, in time HEET became unavailable... Would you be more likely to use a canister,  or would you try stoveless?

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On 2011-04-02, at 4:19 PM, "Donna Saufley" <dsaufley at sprynet.com> wrote:

> The rationale stated on their site:
> 
> "Consumer products, which include everything from nail polish to floor wax,
> emit more than 110 tons per day of smog-forming volatile organic compounds
> (VOCs) in the Southland. Consumer products are the largest source of VOCs in
> the region, eclipsing cars, trucks or industry. 
> 
> "This rule, a first in the nation, is going to significantly benefit all of
> us who live and breathe in the greater Los Angeles Basin," said AQMD
> Governing Board Chairman William A. Burke, Ed.D. "In less than two years,
> the rule will have reduced VOC pollution by up to 9.75 tons per day. That is
> the equal to shutting down all seven major oil refineries in Los Angeles
> County!" "
> 
> I don't know enough about the science or concrete evidence behind their
> statement, but it does seem clear that we humans are polluting our beautiful
> planet, and that we can all make choices in our lives to make less of an
> impact.  
> 
> It's just what the choices are that is unclear right now . . . without Heet
> and denatured, hikers may need alternative fuel for a big chunk of trail in
> SoCal.
> 
> LR
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Bankhead [mailto:wandering_bob at comcast.net] 
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:55 PM
> To: 'Donna Saufley'; pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: RE: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question
> 
> Yet another example of poor judgment by California officials. Your tax
> dollars at work.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> On Behalf Of Donna Saufley
> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:48 PM
> To: pct-l at mailman.backcountry.net
> Subject: [pct-l] SCAQMD Rule 1143 & Denatured Alcohol Question
> 
> This morning we stopped by our local hardware store.  The owner Trish, who
> has done countless kindnesses for hikers including donating denatured
> alcohol, gave us her last three cans and told us she will not be able to
> order any more.  She said South Coast Air Quality Management District Rule
> 1143 is the reason;  it bans numerous paint solvents within their district
> boundaries  www.aqmd.gov/news1/2009/Rule1143PR.html   
> 
> 
> 
> According to their map, www.aqmd.gov/map/mapaqmd1.pdf the PCT goes through
> SCAQMD boundardies from San Bernardino to where the trail meets the Mojave
> floor at Hwy 138.  "Rule 1143 - Reduction of VOC Emissions from Consumer
> Paint Thinners and Multi-Purpose Solvents establishes an interim VOC limit
> of 300 grams/liter (g/l,) effective January 1, 2010, and a VOC limit of 25
> g/l effective January 1, 2011, for all consumer paint thinners and
> multi-purpose solvents."
> 
> 
> 
> The denatured alcohol we've been using (the cans Trish just donated) is VOC:
> 815 g/L, obviously way in excess of the new limit within the district.  Can
> anyone verify the VOC of Heet?  Or know if the new lower VOC products will
> work in stoves?
> 
> 
> 
> It sounds like SCAQMD is acting as environmental leaders with this rule, and
> I have not heard that denatured and other solvents will be banned in other
> areas.  Imagining enforcement on the PCT is difficult.  However, hikers may
> not be able to buy denatured at resupply locations within the district, and
> other regions may be considering similar bans.
> 
> 
> 
> L-Rod
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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