[pct-l] Lightweight rain jacket for a thru?

[James F. Miller]

We're going to use Equinox sylnylon ponchos for rain
 
> From: jplynch at crosslink.net
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> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:45:32 -0400
> Subject: Re: [pct-l] Lightweight rain jacket for a thru?
> 
> I'd be interested in others' experiences with rain jackets too. Particularly as to how they hold up being worn with a pack...
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Julia Marsh 
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> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:37 AM
> Subject: [pct-l] Lightweight rain jacket for a thru?
> 
> 
> I'm researching rain jackets for my 2011 thru hike. I'd like something
> lightweight (about 10 ounces) but that can both stand up to downpours in the
> NW and is breathable enough to double as a windshirt. Also looking to pay
> under $200. Any recommendations? Good/bad experiences? Thanks.
> 
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> > 1. Re: cyclists (Paul)
> > 2. Re: Southern PCT in January (Brick Robbins)
> > 3. Re: Southern PCT in January (Eugene Leafty)
> > 4. Re: cyclists (Eugene Leafty)
> > 5. Re: 80 lbs (giniajim)
> > 6. Re: bikers on trail (AsABat)
> > 7. Re: Snow Shoes vs. Timing for snow on a thru
> > (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> > 8. Re: 80 lbs (Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes)
> > 9. Re: bikers on trail - Alternatives; trail configuration
> > (Timothy Nye)
> > 10. Re: Snow Shoes vs. Timing for snow on a thru (Scott Bryce)
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 09:25:14 +0100
> > From: Paul <paul_c at tuxcnc.org>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] cyclists
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> > On Monday 25 October 2010, Melanie Clarke wrote:
> > > The first thing I would like to propose for the safety of all
> > > involved would be that Mountain bikes need a certain trail width
> > > before they are allowed.
> >
> > > Please give me your suggestions and feedback about the trail width
> > > requirements for cyclist to share the trail.
> >
> > I don't live anywhere near the areas that the PCT traverses, and have
> > only managed to hike short sections during flying visits. However, in
> > my travels around the western states, I have seen much..
> >
> > You guys (on bikes) already have a wide path going from Mexico to
> > Canada that offers views of mountains & forests. It is well maintained
> > and easily accessable from many large cities - I believe you call it
> > the I5. On the eastern side of the mountains, there is always Route
> > 395.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 01:36:18 -0700
> > From: Brick Robbins <brick at brickrobbins.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Southern PCT in January
> > To: dan rapkin <clawsabre97 at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> > You will be able to get to highway 74, north of Anza without needing
> > snow travel gear. The area north of HWY 74 in the Mt San Jacinto area
> > could be very dangerous. That would probably be around a week for most
> > folks.
> >
> > There is a chance of snow in the Mt Laguna area, but nothing that
> > would impede your travel,
> >
> > However very cold stormy weather with rain, snow and sub freezing high
> > velocity winds are very possible in the higher elevations, but you are
> > not ever far from a road in the mountains of San Diego, so bailing
> > out, and holding up in a hotel is a viable strategy.
> >
> > Have fun.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 2:21 PM, dan rapkin <clawsabre97 at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Guys,
> > > I plan on hiking the southern part of the PCT for about a week in the
> > beginning of January for a class requirement for my major over here on the
> > east coast at SUNY Plattsburgh. ?I was wondering though what the conditions
> > are generally like in January? ?Will I need crampons, snow shoes or ice
> > axes? ?I have basic training in the use of ice axes and crampons but I am
> > bringing 3 other friends with me who have no training. ?Should I change my
> > plan about hiking the PCT in January for something else, warmer? ?I'm really
> > not sure, but I want to hike somewhere badly. ?Thank you in advance for your
> > advice-Dan
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 02:04:15 -0700
> > From: Eugene Leafty <atetuna at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Southern PCT in January
> > To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> > I'll second what Brick said. You don't need any snow tools south of Hwy
> > 74.
> > Even with snow you could probably make it to Fobes Saddle. Whatever snow
> > falls is mostly gone in a couple days, but the trail layout is forgiving
> > enough that you shouldn't have any trouble at all even if the snow stuck
> > around for a while. Even though you guys may have stoves, you may be
> > interested in knowing that the drinking fountain at the visitors center at
> > Mount Laguna is heated and works all year. Water may still be a problem
> > from Sunrise Trailhead to 3rd Gate...or even to Barrel Spring. I'd advise
> > checking the water cache and water report. Also, as Brick said, it does
> > get
> > cool and windy. I'm not sure how cold, but I experienced low 20's south of
> > Lake Morena last February.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net [mailto:pct-l-bounces at backcountry.net]
> > On Behalf Of dan rapkin
> > Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 2:21 PM
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Subject: [pct-l] Southern PCT in January
> >
> >
> > Hey Guys,
> > I plan on hiking the southern part of the PCT for about a week in the
> > beginning of January for a class requirement for my major over here on the
> > east coast at SUNY Plattsburgh. I was wondering though what the conditions
> > are generally like in January? Will I need crampons, snow shoes or ice
> > axes? I have basic training in the use of ice axes and crampons but I am
> > bringing 3 other friends with me who have no training. Should I change my
> > plan about hiking the PCT in January for something else, warmer? I'm
> > really
> > not sure, but I want to hike somewhere badly. Thank you in advance for
> > your
> > advice-Dan
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 02:11:00 -0700
> > From: Eugene Leafty <atetuna at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] cyclists
> > Cc: Pct-L at backcountry.net
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> > I don't really have a problem with mountain bikes on the trail, but I have
> > a serious problem when they bring their motorized dirt bikes to adjust
> > existing trail or build new ones. If I knew they weren't into trail
> > building I'd be happy to share the trail with them.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:25:57 -0400
> > From: "giniajim" <jplynch at crosslink.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] 80 lbs
> > To: <pct-l at backcountry.net>
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> > Thanks! Sometimes its good to share gear lists, and experiences with
> > specific pieces of equipment.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Reinhold Metzger
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 1:08 AM
> > Subject: [pct-l] 80 lbs
> >
> >
> > ginniajim wrote:
> > I was sort of looking for specifics, you know, brands, types, models,
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > giniajim wrote:
> > Would you mind posting your base gear? I'm stuck at 10 lbs. :/)
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > It is listed in paragraph 4....7lb I could only get that light with a
> > homemade tent & pack and a 1lb sleeping bag.
> > JMT Reinhold
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > You're going to make me go through all that work?
> > OK....I will try to get that for you ...but not today.
> >
> > BTW.....I forgot to list the cooking gear, repair kit and a few other
> > minor items on the itemized list.
> > But they are included in the total base weigh of approximately 7lb.
> > If I knew I would have to go through all this I would not have mentioned
> > it
> >
> > JMT Reinhold
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> > Message: 6
> > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 05:34:16 -0700
> > From: AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] bikers on trail
> > To: Mary Davison <pastormaryd at msn.com>
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> > It was two solo bikers, he had a badge, a ticket book, and a cop's manner
> > of
> > speaking with an attitude that got your attention. He told me they both
> > laughed at him even until the judge hit them with the fine.
> >
> > And, As A Bat, how does a single hiker give a ticket to 5-8 bikers? I
> > > certainly would have liked to have had the power to have done so and not
> > > just been an impotent old lady hiker.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 7
> > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:29:25 -0700
> > From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snow Shoes vs. Timing for snow on a thru
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> >
> > On Oct 25, 2010, at 9:06 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> > >
> > > Someone wrote about hiking in Chaco's.
> >
> > That was me. They don't work in the snow. The snow accumulates under
> > your toes making it hard to walk. Every few steps I had to shake the
> > snow out. Chacos also have piss-poor traction on snow or anything. I
> > have been thinking of having them resoled at the cobbler to put a
> > real sole on. Chaco USA will just put the same sole on.
> >
> > > I haven't tried them, but we have
> > > gravitated toward simpler and lighter shoes. Our current shoe
> > > preferences
> > > have almost no support. They are a slab of foam with some mesh to
> > > hold it
> > > under the foot. They're very light, and our feet are stronger and
> > > ache less.
> >
> > What shoes are these?
> >
> > I have been moving toward simpler shoes, too. First I switched from
> > leather boots to light canvas boots. Then from high tops to low tops.
> > The switch to low tops was miraculous for me. I have ankles like tree
> > stumps and finally I could USE them! Then I made a mistake and bought
> > motion control shoes on the trail and broke my feet completely and
> > had to get off. So I made sure after that to get shoes that were
> > flexible. Still wasn't quite enough because all the heel rise and
> > especially that crater your forefoot falls into caused pain. Not to
> > mention that they just don't make shoes shaped like a real foot.
> > Chacos have a huge arch bump which can bother me, but otherwise are
> > pretty simple. Hopefully I will be able to make something that works
> > for me. It's pretty much come to that, I'm afraid.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:45:50 -0700
> > From: Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes <diane at santabarbarahikes.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] 80 lbs
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> >
> >
> > On Oct 25, 2010, at 9:06 PM, pct-l-request at backcountry.net wrote:
> >
> > > From: Reinhold Metzger <reinholdmetzger at cox.net>
> > > Subject: [pct-l] 80 lbs
> >
> > It seems you have misunderstood me.
> >
> > If anyone wants to carry a heavy load that's their choice. I often
> > say that. But I don't recommend it. I recommend the same things that
> > Yogi or Warner Springs Monte recommend. I learned from them.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 07:13:01 -0700
> > From: Timothy Nye <timpnye at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] bikers on trail - Alternatives; trail
> > configuration
> > To: AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net>
> > Cc: pct-l at backcountry.net, Mary Davison <pastormaryd at msn.com>
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > After hiking from Sierra City to Belden last month I reached the same
> > conclusion as to the effort by bikers to create their own reality. The
> > forest service, even when presented an opportunity for enforcement refused.
> > (A group of four mountain bikers on section M up to the A tree and back,
> > same jersy, pick-up vehicle decorated with decals of their club. I also
> > believe that absent something being done in the very near future that the
> > trail will legalized for mountain bikers.
> >
> > Moutain biking wasn't in existence when the trail was chartered. Also,
> > (subject for a much longer post in the future) the PCTA may now well view
> > the potential addition of mountain bikers as a new and lucrative source of
> > additional income....In fact, if the bikers got there act together and
> > hired
> > a lobbiest ... Rather than relying on outside enforcement from a
> > disinterested or nonexistent agency in lean economic times self enforcement
> >
> > While hiking it occured to me that the constant trail maintance actually
> > attracts bikers. I passed a trail crew (Butte) after the A tree and they
> > merely shrugged about the proliferation of bikers stating that it wasn't
> > their concern and certainly they aren't an enforcement entity. However,
> > the portions of the trail where slides occur and aren't repaired, or are
> > perceived as too dangerous appear immune to bike trespass.(Absence of
> > tracks)
> >
> > It seems to me that changes could be made in trail maintenance that are
> > consistent with equestrian and hiker use, but inconsistent with mountain
> > bikes. For example, increasing the depth and angle to the trail of
> > drainage
> > steps would be a good start; so that at a foot and a half high the bike
> > rider would be forced to dismount and at such an angle to the trail that
> > the
> > step could not be approached on the perpendicular again fostering the
> > necessity of a dismount. If such obstacles were every 50 feet or so for a
> > half mile or so every so often where they can't be easily circumvented thy
> > could be effective. I noted that crews in section L from Donner to Sierra
> > City had in some places apparently deliberatly left dead falls, but these
> > were in places that tney were easily passed and new bike ways simply went
> > around them.
> >
> > Sections L and M would be a good place for a demonstration project. I live
> > in sacramento and would be glad to participate.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 5:34 AM, AsABat <asabat at 4jeffrey.net> wrote:
> >
> > > It was two solo bikers, he had a badge, a ticket book, and a cop's manner
> > > of
> > > speaking with an attitude that got your attention. He told me they both
> > > laughed at him even until the judge hit them with the fine.
> > >
> > > And, As A Bat, how does a single hiker give a ticket to 5-8 bikers? I
> > > > certainly would have liked to have had the power to have done so and
> > not
> > > > just been an impotent old lady hiker.
> > > >
> > > >
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> > Message: 10
> > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:16:04 -0600
> > From: Scott Bryce <sbryce at scottbryce.com>
> > Subject: Re: [pct-l] Snow Shoes vs. Timing for snow on a thru
> > To: pct-l at backcountry.net
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> > On 10/26/2010 7:29 AM, Diane Soini of Santa Barbara Hikes wrote:
> > >> Our current shoe preferences have almost no support. They are a
> > >> slab of foam with some mesh to hold it under the foot. They're very
> > >> light, and our feet are stronger and ache less.
> > >
> > > What shoes are these?
> >
> >
> > That sounds like Nike Free Runs. My daughter is military. That is what
> > she wears during her physical training. There is almost nothing to them.
> > They are very flexible.
> >
> >
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